Werewolf III - Blood in the Snow

[Peregrine]

I've decided to start a 5 player werewolf game, that should run simultaneously with our larger game, and require less moderator oversight. It should be fun to watch though! I'm expecting this game to be short but intense, with lots of bluffing and trying to convince other players you're role X. I've recruited the following players who are either already out of the big game or were never in it:

Fonzie
Tigercat
Shorty
Qwikshot
Jeff061


Rules of this game (credit to Alexfrog@Boardgamegeek, these are his rules that I'm lifting)

The game begins with a 1st night session in which the werewolf does NOT get to kill someone. Roles with night abilities other than the werewolf use them now.

Next is the 1st day. The group lynches one player. Any player may make an accusation against another player. If the majority of players vote for the accusation, then that player is "on the block". A player on the block makes a defense speech, and then a death vote is called. If a majority vote for death in the death vote, the player is dead and may no longer post...no dying words or anything. If a majority do not vote for the death speech, it doesn't occur. If a subsequent lynching attempt is made against the same player, they must again go through two votes, a 'on the block' vote and a death vote.

Next is the 2nd night (assuming the werewolf is still alive). All abilities are used, including the werewolf's ability to kill.

Next is 2nd day, there are 3 players left, they lynch one player, with the same rules. This ends the game.


When a player dies, his or her role is NOT revealed. That player may no longer post. However, from the time of the first death to the end of game will likely be short, relative to the total game time.


The roles: I will randomly assign the following roles to the players:

Werewolf. (Duh!)

Sorcerer: The sorcerer wants the werewolf to win, and wins if the werewolf wins, even if the sorcerer is dead. The sorcerer looks like a villager to the seer. During the night, the sorcerer looks at one player and determines if they are the SEER or not. The sorcerer does NOT know the identity of the werewolf, the werewolf does NOT know the identity of the sorcerer.

Seer: During the night, looks at one player and determines if they are the WEREWOLF or not.

Hunter: If the game ends with the Hunter and Werewolf as the only 2 remaining players, then the hunter kills the werewolf and the villager team wins the game. Thus, the Werewolf/Sorcerer team must either kill the hunter or get him lynched, in order to win.

Villager: Basic villager.


You can PM each other, and claim whatever you want, but of course, you cannot PROVE your role. I will inform each player of his or her role to start the game.


Some strategy notes:

The hunter just needs to live in order to win. He is even more critical to the villager side than the seer is! Convincing the werewolf that he is the sorcerer can often result in a win for the villager team. But if he looks like a sorcerer to everyone, they may lynch him in day 1.

The sorcerer needs to be active, to help his team win. If he strongly believes the hunter to be dead, then in Day 2, he can offer himself to be lynched, and win (if the hunter really is dead).

The seer should probably reveal his information at a critical time in day 1. By day 2, it'll be him, werewolf, and either sorcerer or good guy. If sorcerer, the "I'm the seer and its X" will not work, the sorcerer wants to save the wolf. If villager, then its just his word against the wolf, of who is the real seer.

If the seer sees an innocent person, he can message that player and tell that player what he knows. Of course, he might have seen the sorcerer. Or the sorcerer might be the one claiming to be the seer in a private message, telling somoene they know they are innocent to get that person on his side.
The villager team wants for round 1 to last a long time, dragging out enough information to make a very educated guess as to who is the wolf. Random killing benefits the wolf, possibilities for deduction benefit the good side. As a member of the good team, be VERY careful of lynching someone. If you go along with the wolf and sorcerer to lynch an innocent, you have probably reached a 2 on 1 situation against the evil characters, which is very bad (especially if you are not the hunter).

I will send out the roles shortly, sorceror and seer should PM me with who you want to check out.

[Desnudo]

Good stuff. Thanks for running these games Peregrine.

[Peregrine]

Your small village is isolated in the mountains, and has been peaceful most of the time until recently. Strange killings have occurred at night, and thinned the population of the village to a small number, with many fleeing to get to warmer (and safer) climes. The day before yesterday, most of your village burned to the ground, and many of the remaining people were killed. The 5 of you are the only survivors you have seen, huddling in a half-burned building and trying to keep warm. The blizzard-like snows have closed the passes to the south, so you are stuck here together for a while. There were many rumors about werewolves in the town, but also a rumor that a werewolf hunter had infiltrated the town secretly in order to kill the beast. Is either one true? As you watch each other over the small fire, huddling to keep warm, you all realize that the odds of any of you getting out alive suddenly seem slim indeed.

[Fonzie]

Allow me to be the first to say "I'm not a werewolf!"

[NevStar]

"I'm... a werewolf!"

:eek:

[Tigercat]

Allow me to be the first to say "I'm not a werewolf!"

Just like a werewolf to use contractions.

[Tigercat]

Allow me to be the first to say "I'm not a werewolf!"

Now, a clever werewolf would not post this first, because he would know that only a great fool would expect a werewolf to post this first. I am not a great fool, so I can clearly not choose to lynch you. But you must have known I was not a great fool, you would have counted on it, so I can clearly not choose to lynch someone else.

[Fonzie]

Now, a clever werewolf would not post this first, because he would know that only a great fool would expect a werewolf to post this first. I am not a great fool, so I can clearly not choose to lynch you. But you must have known I was not a great fool, you would have counted on it, so I can clearly not choose to lynch someone else.
Exactly. Well done!

[Fonzie]

Dola-

:eek: Damn. NevStar caught my hint! :(

;)

[jeff061]

After checking out the last two games I'm afraid to post.

"He's the 5th person to post, lynch him!!" ;).

[Fonzie]

After checking out the last two games I'm afraid to post.

"He's the 5th person to post, lynch him!!" ;).
That's a self-indictment if ever I've heard one.

Gentlemen, I think this is an open-and-shut case. Jeff061 is a werewolf!

[jeff061]

But am I really the 6th one to post??? The mystery rolls on :).

[korme]

It's kind of dimly lit in this place. I'm scared. :(

Don't eat me!

[Fonzie]

It's kind of dimly lit in this place. I'm scared. :(

Don't eat me!
Only a werewolf would be so cowardly. Get him!

http://dynamic.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Tigercat]

All I know is I don't trust any of you bastards.

[Qwikshot]

I'm here

[Qwikshot]

I'm not a basketweaver.

[Fonzie]

All I know is I don't trust any of you bastards.
Which is exactly the kind of paranoia one would expect from a werewolf.

Get him!

[Fonzie]

I'm not a basketweaver.
We can see through your lies, basketweaver!

[jeff061]

I see through your sad attempt to shift the focus on everyone else, wolfie!!

[Fonzie]

I see through your sad attempt to shift the focus on everyone else, wolfie!!I know you are but what am I?

[Airhog]

I'm the Duke!

[Peregrine]

Someone should probably accuse someone, to get this show on the road. Voting patterns are probably slightly less helpful than what people try to say to prove their innocence.

[Qwikshot]

Vote Fonzie

You are the most active, thus the most eager, thus most likely to be

a werewolf.

[jeff061]

Vote Fonzie

Just to get things kicked off, probably wouldn't take much to get me to change my mind.

[jeff061]

I'm going to bed in about an hour so won't be around til the morning. Please don't read into that :).

[Fonzie]

Vote Fonzie

You are the most active, thus the most eager, thus most likely to be

a werewolf.
And how well has that theory worked out in the first two games? http://dynamic.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif

In truth I was just making silly posts in an effort to kick start some kind of conversation.

[jeff061]

Naturally I agree with that, as I've said as much several times ;).

Qwikshot was fast to point the finger though..

[korme]

Catching up here from the NBA Draft, I will try and change up the consesus - vote jeff061! I just get the same kind of vibe from Fonz that I had last game when I got killed.

[Qwikshot]

There are only five of us, I placed a theory feel free to debate.

[Fonzie]

There are only five of us, I placed a theory feel free to debate.
Okay.

You described me as being eager when I was clearly just posting a bunch of nonsense for the sake of getting discussion started. Yet it was you who cast the very first lynching vote (for me, of course), which suggests to me that it is in fact you who are eager to get on with the lynchings. And listen closely my friends: as Peregrine's original post suggests, an accelerated, careless lynching is the precise strategy that the wolf/sorceror team wants. Doing so increases the chances of lynching an innocent human, which plays right into their hands.

I'm not ready to cast my vote yet, but Qwikshot's credibility has taken a nose-dive with me.

[Qwikshot]

Someone should probably accuse someone, to get this show on the road. Voting patterns are probably slightly less helpful than what people try to say to prove their innocence.

I was only doing as asked.

[Fonzie]

I was only doing as asked.
How obedient of you. http://dynamic.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[jeff061]

In the rush to get things started I believe I made the wrong move, only sustaining a negative cycle (lynching the first post).

So I'm going to go a different route and Vote Tiger. Seems to me the Wolves try to keep a low profile and hope to be overlooked. In a 5 man round being overlooked once can be all the difference.

[Peregrine]

Well no one's on the block yet, so you guys are free to continue to talk and vote as you see fit.

[Tigercat]

I don't get a wolf vibe from Fonzie yet either. Maybe becoming a corpse would change that. I have a gut feeling about every role but the Wolf, and about everyone but Qwick. So for now at least, I vote Qwikshot.

[Fonzie]

After sleeping on this, I've decided to vote for Qwikshot.

[Tigercat]

To make a case why we should accuse Qwikshot and demand an explanation on his actions, I agree with voting eagerness being more important than being eager to talk. There are only five of us in this. Only those of the hellspawn would want so quickly for any of us to die, while those of us that are good would want the truth to come out before the Wolves begin to pounce or before we accidently lynch those of us that may save us from being human sushi. Being quick to talk isn't as suspicious to me in this game as being quick to call for a lynching.

[Fonzie]

To make a case why we should accuse Qwikshot and demand an explanation on his actions, I agree with voting eagerness being more important than being eager to talk. There are only five of us in this. Only those of the hellspawn would want so quickly for any of us to die, while those of us that are good would want the truth to come out before the Wolves begin to pounce or before we accidently lynch those of us that may save us from being human sushi. Being quick to talk isn't as suspicious to me in this game as being quick to call for a lynching.
Agreed - it would appear in his best interests to explain his actions. Saying "I was just doing as asked" strikes me as insufficient. I'd like to hear more on his reasoning.

[Qwikshot]

Agreed - it would appear in his best interests to explain his actions. Saying "I was just doing as asked" strikes me as insufficient. I'd like to hear more on his reasoning.

Go back I /gave/ a reason initially, then you asked why I was so quick...and it was so the game could progress.

It's the quiet ones that are killers...

Unvote Fonzie
Vote Shorty

[Fonzie]

Go back I /gave/ a reason initially, then you asked why I was so quick...and it was so the game could progress.

It's the quiet ones that are killers...

Unvote Fonzie
Vote Shorty
So, first you quickly say that those who are talkative and eager are likely to be wolves. When it was pointed out that the wolf/sorceror team would embrace that strategy, you change your tune and say that those who are quiet are wolves.

That's a pretty glaring flip-flop. Even though you are "doing me a favor" by not voting for me, it makes me wonder as to your motives...

[jeff061]

I agree that was a rather obvious flip flop. I don't think I can trust Qwik this game, innocent or otherwise. I don't have any reason to question anyone else, other than a flimsy "quiet" argument"

Therefor I am changing my vote to Qwikshot

[Qwikshot]

Do what you like, but I will be missed.

[Peregrine]

Okay Qwikshot is on the block at this point, make your defense speech, and any further votes should be in the format of "vote X for death" or "vote x for life."

[Tigercat]

I will wait for his defense speech to make a final decision, because I hate for us to kill an innocent when every life counts in this game, but color me even more suspicious over "I will be missed." Playing paranoia (knowing that we know we can so not afford to lose valuable good guys in such a tight game) before even making a legitimate defense sounds like evil spawn talk to me.

[Fonzie]

I will wait for his defense speech to make a final decision, because I hate for us to kill an innocent when every life counts in this game, but color me even more suspicious over "I will be missed." Playing paranoia (knowing that we know we can so not afford to lose valuable good guys in such a tight game) before even making a legitimate defense sounds like evil spawn talk to me.
He could be telling the truth - the sorceror might miss him. http://dynamic.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Qwikshot]

Simply put, I'm not the werewolf, I'm not the sorceror...

I think Tigercat is a villager.

But I think Fonzie is a wolf or sorceror.

But I know Shorty who is usually very vocal has been very very quiet.

I may die, I may be hung, but I'm an innocent.

[jeff061]

Got to get this kicked off, so unfortuantly a lynching needs to take place with less evidence than I would like.

However between the 180 pulled earlier and a generic defense(though granted there is little that could be said).

I still Vote Qwikshot for death

[Fonzie]

Got to get this kicked off, so unfortuantly a lynching needs to take place with less evidence than I would like.

However between the 180 pulled earlier and a generic defense(though granted there is little that could be said).

I still Vote Qwikshot Ditto. He did nothing with his defense speech to change my opinion, so I vote Qwikshot for death.

I do hope that we're not lynching an innocent, but I just don't see any more attractive targets.

[Qwikshot]

You guys are fools, or you are the werewolf and sorc.

[Tigercat]

Upon reflection, I find no fault with Qwiks pick of shorty, he even picked Shorty when he must have known it would back fire on him. And in Shorty he has given a decent alternative, someone who has been suspicious in some form. So given that the Werewolf has not attacked yet, and given that there is a viable alternative given by the accused, I vote for Quikshot to LIVE. Now if Shorty had been more talkative to this point, things would be different.

[korme]

One day of me being kinda busy is the exact same case was made last time "well Shorty posts alot, why isn't he now." And it'd be the exact same outcome if I was lynched again, Qwik. Poorly played.

I vote Qwikshot for death

[KevinNU7]

1 for life
1 for death
2 for people with reading comprehension issues :)

[Tigercat]

Maybe they are voting for Qwik to be part of our new werewolf legislative assembly?

[Fonzie]

1 for life
1 for death
2 for people with reading comprehension issues :)
Clarified. :)

[Tigercat]

Sounds like Shorty has made up his mind, and if hes guilty or not him choosing Qwik is understandable, I ask you other two, especially Jeff, to at least reconsider the matter.(If you two aren't hell spawn.) I'd rather not see us lynch one peron before a killing has happened, especially when at least two are suspicious, and those two are going against each other.

[korme]

Ok how am I suspicious? Did you not read Werewolf 2... ugh

[henry296]

Originally posted in the rules: The game begins with a 1st night session in which the werewolf does NOT get to kill someone. Roles with night abilities other than the werewolf use them now.

Next is the 1st day. The group lynches one player. Any player may make an accusation against another player. If the majority of players vote for the accusation, then that player is "on the block". A player on the block makes a defense speech, and then a death vote is called. If a majority vote for death in the death vote, the player is dead and may no longer post...no dying words or anything. If a majority do not vote for the death speech, it doesn't occur. If a subsequent lynching attempt is made against the same player, they must again go through two votes, a 'on the block' vote and a death vote.

There is a lynching before the werewolf kills.

[jeff061]

Understandable, but what exactly are we debating? As far as I'm concerned the game hasn't really started, if anyone else was on the block the arguments would mirror Quik's.

I guess the question is, why shouldn't he be lynched and why doesn't this reason apply to everyone else?

[jeff061]

And yes, a lynching happens first, else I certainly would be waiting for further developments after the kill.

[Tigercat]

Sorry Shorty, fair or not you are. Doesn't mean I would necessarily vote for you to die at this point, but in my mind your actions, or lack thereof, are no less suspicious than Qwik's.

[Tigercat]

I would just be for considering Shorty and Qwik side by side I guess, but if the lynching must take place, and you guys have decided on Qwik, C'est la vie I guess.

[korme]

Alright, since there is no reason really to vote for anyone yet, I will take this time to open the floor for questions. Where I was on the night of.. ;)

To quote Pat Benatar, hit me with your best shot.

[jeff061]

Correct me if I'm wrong, I don't believe this mini game has a time limit. Unless a vote is changed I believe we are just waiting on Peregrine.

[Fonzie]

Correct me if I'm wrong, I don't believe this mini game has a time limit. Unless a vote is changed I believe we are just waiting on Peregrine.
That's my understanding as well.

[jeff061]

1 for life
1 for death
2 for people with reading comprehension issues :)


I didn't get what you were saying until I just went back and re-read things, ooops ;).

[Qwikshot]

Ok how am I suspicious? Did you not read Werewolf 2... ugh

Werewolf 2 doesn't count...this is a new dimension, new game, new people.

I know things that I'm certain of, for someone who was so pissed at being killed off rather quickly because of inactivity, you didn't thrust yourself into the spotlight here, and you are a college student, you should have plenty of time between the beer and babes, and maybe the books.

[Peregrine]

So it is decided, Qwikshot must die. You grab him and pull him outside the snow and put him out of his misery. But you're pretty miserable too, it's cold and you're alone. Since the game isn't over, there's still a werewolf among you as well.

Seer/Sorceror/Wolf please submit your night actions.

[jeff061]

The game takes on quite a different feel without the roles being unveiled.

Tomorrow shall be a tougher day I'd imagine.

[korme]

Four left. It's getting pretty crazy, this small little game. I still feel like I have a bunch of questions as to who is who.

[Fonzie]

So it is decided, Qwikshot must die. You grab him and pull him outside the snow and put him out of his misery. But you're pretty miserable too, it's cold and you're alone. Since the game isn't over, there's still a werewolf among you as well.

Seer/Sorceror/Wolf please submit your night actions.
Oh dear. http://dynamic.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/frown.gif

Given that we got a human it is likely that we lynched the wrong person. But at least there's a 1 in 4 chance we got the sorceror. That's something (hopefully!).

And if we didn't get the sorceror - sorry Qwikshot!

[Qwikshot]

Open mouth, voted for death
Make Suggestion, voted for death
Try to show small efforts of proof, voted for death
May sly innuendo, voted for death

Hung by jury of peers, priceless

Mastercard, for everything else

:)

Of course, you /will/ miss me.

[Tigercat]

d'oh I had forgotten that stipulation of no-seeing. I hope we didn't lynch the hunter, if so we are wolf-feed. Although I have a strange feeling I might be a chew toy tonight anyway, we shall see.

[jeff061]

I'm out for the night guys, back in it tomorrow.

[Peregrine]

You pass a troubled night, sleeping in various corners of the ruined cellar, gnawing on some hard cheese and bread for dinner. In the morning though, it's obvious someone else has become dinner: Fonzie. His shredded remains are outside the hut a little at least so you won't have to look at him all day. The three of you look at each other warily and keep your hands on your weapons.

[korme]

So it's down to myself, jeff and Tigercat. So really, it's now a 50/50 call for me on who the wolf is. I will take a deeper look tomorrow afternoon when I am available.

[jeff061]

Things are getting pretty tight.

[Fonzie]

:(

[KevinNU7]

The final three if very fun. I would be pushing out roles right now if I were some of you.

[Peregrine]

Yeah you guys need to get going. Don't make me smack a meteorite down on your hut!

[jeff061]

hehe, I just didn't want to get started before Shorty was around(this afternoon?), only have three people, don't want to go to far without everyone's input.

[Peregrine]

Makes sense, there's not really any rush anyway since there's no time limit. I just look forward to seeing how this will play out.

[KevinNU7]

I have a pretty good stradegy for this situation that I will post once everything plays out.

[Fonzie]

I have a pretty good stradegy for this situation that I will post once everything plays out.
Me too - or at least I had a good strategy for this situation before I became a stupid werewolf snack. http://dynamic.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/mad.gif

[Tigercat]

Well I am pretty sure which one of you is the werewolf, I just hope I'm right and the other isn't the sorceror. I am one of the good villagers. T'is why I changed my mind on qwick at the last moment, because I thought he had seen me as a villager and its why he posted my name first and said I was a villager.(Thought he was throwing me a clue that "Hey I'm the seer" and since I wanted to delay as the good team anyway...) Didn't want to kill a possible seer afterall. I am heavily leaning to Jeff being the werewolf based on how hes talked and voted in this game, I've been leaning that way since yesturday. I never seriously would have voted Shorty, I was more hoping to give Qwick some days of reprieve in case he was the seer. So in the hopes that my reasoning on Jeff is correct and my thinking that that the sorceror is dead, I vote Jeff.

I think Fonzie was probably sorcerer
I think qwik was on the good team regardless
I think shorty is on the good team regardless

Anyway why I think Jeff is a wolf. Again I never really suspected Shorty because being quiet isn't necessarily that big of a deal. Now playing quietly, that is more telling. Jeff has played very very quietly, going along with the mass votes, ready to see lynchings without being overeager. I think Jeff ate Fonzie because he thought I would go after Shorty and Shorty after me, and therefore he could vote against whichever one and hope the remaining isn't the hunter.

Anyway, I just hope you are on my side Shorty, and that I am right on all this, if so I emplore you that we get this show on the road, and lynch and roast us some werewolf!

[jeff061]

Lets keep in mind, during this early and aggressive vote(ironically given the argument against me), that nothing is as it seems and nothing should be taken at face value.

I voted three times. Two of which I had agreed with someone else on. One of which I made on my own. Reverse one of those and I am probably being suspected for trying to shift the focus on others. I explained my reasoning behind all three and certainly was not in a hurry, even explaining that.

I cast my suspicions on Shorty. He did not take you out Tiger because it was his belief that you were the Seer(once you started accusing him) and he decided that a Seer in the next stage of the game would be worthless. So he decided to take a shot at the hunter. I personally do not think you are a Seer, I have my thoughts but I'm not sure how relevant they are...

I would suggest, Tiger, you re-evaluate our situation and ask what you are trying to achieve. Do a bumrush vote against a possible innocent villager? Or win the game.

I vote Shorty

[jeff061]

I'm heading out for lunch. Don't lynch me without me ;).

[KevinNU7]

So jeff walks in with the chips on the table and goes to lunch. Interesting...

[jeff061]

Well I am at work and I was hungry.

[korme]

Hmm, well since Tigercat voted for jeff and jeff voted for me, I obviously think Tiger has a better strategy ;).

I'm trying to figure out why Fonz got lynched and not one of us 3.

Allow me to be the first to say "I'm not a werewolf!"
One of the first posts of the game..

That's a self-indictment if ever I've heard one.

Gentlemen, I think this is an open-and-shut case. Jeff061 is a werewolf!
Jokingly accuses jeff.

Only a werewolf would be so cowardly. Get him!

http://dynamic.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif
Jokingly accuses me.

Which is exactly the kind of paranoia one would expect from a werewolf.

Get him!
Jokingly accuses Tigercat. Wow, this examination is not helping at all. :P

Okay.

You described me as being eager when I was clearly just posting a bunch of nonsense for the sake of getting discussion started. Yet it was you who cast the very first lynching vote (for me, of course), which suggests to me that it is in fact you who are eager to get on with the lynchings. And listen closely my friends: as Peregrine's original post suggests, an accelerated, careless lynching is the precise strategy that the wolf/sorceror team wants. Doing so increases the chances of lynching an innocent human, which plays right into their hands.

I'm not ready to cast my vote yet, but Qwikshot's credibility has taken a nose-dive with me.
Defends himself after 2 people vote for him. Odd that with him against Qwik, who ends up being lynched, he dies next.

Ok, my evidence is... inconclusive. That didn't really help me at all.

Now earlier I did notice Tigercat was trying to get everyone to vote for me, defending Qwik. Qwik ended up being an innocent but I'm not sure if that makes you a good villager or a werewolf who was trying to stir the pot by adding more suspects.

[Tigercat]

Hmm, well since Tigercat voted for jeff and jeff voted for me, I obviously think Tiger has a better strategy ;).

I'm trying to figure out why Fonz got lynched and not one of us 3.


One of the first posts of the game..


Jokingly accuses jeff.


Jokingly accuses me.


Jokingly accuses Tigercat. Wow, this examination is not helping at all. :P


Defends himself after 2 people vote for him. Odd that with him against Qwik, who ends up being lynched, he dies next.

Ok, my evidence is... inconclusive. That didn't really help me at all.

Now earlier I did notice Tigercat was trying to get everyone to vote for me, defending Qwik. Qwik ended up being an innocent but I'm not sure if that makes you a good villager or a werewolf who was trying to stir the pot by adding more suspects.

Like I said, it is my belief that Jeff ate Fonzie because he was sure I would vote for you and not him. And if I was a werewolf the quick kill is the only thing that would have really been beneficial. I didn't vote with the first group to delay, and I tried to delay by stalling the second vote. Also, as I said earlier, Qwik either was guessing correctly and just happened to put my name first on his guess list, or he viewed me as the seer and knew I was a villager. I thought it might be best to try and give him more time alive in case I was right about his role at that point. Since he called you out you were the only alternative that I could say to really stir the pot I brought you up. Jeffs posts later that night, however, combined with the way he had been playing the game are what began to have me suspect him as the werewolf.

[jeff061]

I find it rather odd, that in a time of the game where we have more information than any other time you are rushing to lynch based on flimsy and circumstantial evidence. Not reading anything and only furthering your own agenda, the outcome of which is in question.

I know who you are Tiger and I know your strategy.

I'm having trouble with Shorty. He is playing things very closely. I will say I was suprised by the victim, not who I was expecting.

For now I am Unvoting Shorty

[Tigercat]

Knowing the possible roles you could be playing Shorty, your delay or possibility at voting for me is confusing. I won't reveal more in case I was wrong about you, but I will have no choice but to vote for you if you vote for me. Not out of vengence at all, but because it means that you are playing hellspawn; its the only thing that would make sense if you votted for me, given the possible roles I know you could be playing.

[Tigercat]

I find it rather odd, that in a time of the game where we have more information than any other time you are rushing to lynch based on flimsy and circumstantial evidence. Not reading anything and only furthering your own agenda, the outcome of which is in question.

I know who you are Tiger and I know your strategy.

I'm having trouble with Shorty. He is playing things very closely. I will say I was suprised by the victim, not who I was expecting.

For now I am Unvoting Shorty

Lets see, I KNOW I am not any hellspawn. I acted clearly not like one of the bad guys for two days. So that leaves me with two candidates for a wolf, you and shorty. Which would have benefited more by me being alive instead of Fonzie based on how I acted before today? YOU not Shorty. How do my actions of voting for you not make perfect sense as a good villager? You goin back on your vote when your pleas couldn't satisfy me have shown you even more to be hellspawn.

[jeff061]

I have plenty of answers and obsverations, much more so than you. I'm trying to decide how to share them, but questions I have about Shorty prevent this at the moment.

[Tigercat]

I have plenty of answers and obsverations, much more so than you.

I see, I bow to your supperior observation skills Wolfie, you clearly must be reading my mind to know ALL my answers and ALL my observations.

[jeff061]

There's two sets, I know of both, but I was commenting on what you were choosing to reveal.

[Tigercat]

Well you could very simply reply to my fairly logical post above on why my behaviors only make sense as a villager and why it makes sense that you would be the wolf, and offer explanations based on what I speak of. Its not a complex series of observations because it doesn't have to be.(Occam's razor) But you being the Wolf is simply the most reasonable conclusion, so you cannot offer proper counters to it.

[jeff061]

Or maybe I am the Hunter, the Sorcerer, the Seer, the Villager or even the Werewolf. Same with Shorty.

No matter who you are or who I am I'd think you would take into account that Shorty could be playing either side.

[korme]

I have plenty of answers and obsverations, much more so than you. I'm trying to decide how to share them, but questions I have about Shorty prevent this at the moment.
Elaborate..?

[jeff061]

Well here's hoping my intuition is correct.

I think most would agree the special roles are the more outgoing, in order to solidify themselves as important parts of the game. Following this logic Tiger should of been seen by any wolf as a "low risk" meal. Meaning chances are that's one villager out rather than a sorcerer. I, and I doubt I was the only, was pretty confident that Tiger would be out night one. He lived and it's my belief everyone would of killed him, with the exception obviously of himself.

On to why Fonzie? Rather than you or I? He wanted one special role in the final round and one innocent, likely you. To pull that off I think he flipped a coin between myself and Fonzie with the belief/hope one of us was the hunter and one of us was the Sorcerer.

Either way the next round was to quickly play up his innocent ways from the previous night and quickly build up a case against a possible wolf, and act quickly doing it. I've been trying to slow it down some just to verify my suspicions, and the fact that he did not waver after my argument against you solidifies it in my opinion.

As for Occam's Razor, in this game? Come on. So this is the risk I'm taking, if Shorty is a Sorcerer I am screwed.

Vote Tigercat

[korme]

LOL, I'm not a sorceror. But jeff, alright, you have made up my mind. I'm ready to win baybay!

Vote Tigercat

[Tigercat]

I have a bad feeling I am up against the Wolf and the Sorceror, I had that feeling when Shorty delayed and didn't vote right away, it was the risk I took though, with him being 1 out of 3 special roles. Coause I am the plain villager. Cause if Shorty was the hunter, he wouldn't care who would go to the blocks, he would just send the first one at the first opporitunity (Jeff) so either the wolf would be dead or he could battle the wolf. If Shorty was the seer he would have hopefully seen one of us two already and known I wasn't the wolf or that Jeff was. I suppose Jeff could still be a hunter, if so good luck my man even though you are about to send me to my death.

But most likely? The Sorceror and the wolf. Tough draw for me, the basic freakin villager. And Shorty if you are a good guy you played this last round awefully bad, IMO.

Thats all I have to say. I have no defense cause I am all that I said I am and my actions have proven that, and only evilspawn would go against that.

[Peregrine]

Tigercat's on the block, vote for life or death.

[jeff061]

I don't see where your actions have proven that, this is the problem. By rushing into what should be the mostly slowly played round so you could take a chance on a Hunter who could of already died twice? Sounds like quite a stretch to me.

Vote Tigercat for death

[Tigercat]

Rushing into? So you think at the end of the game banter will be more telling than voting actions and kill lists? Couldn't disagree more.

[korme]

Ok. I realize I am rolling the dice here but I feel that if I go back on my initial gut and vote TC for life then it just opens a whole new can of worms.

With that said, vote Tigercat for death.

Time to find out jeff's role.

[Tigercat]

last words: I don't trust either of you bastards!

[Fonzie]

Heehee.

[jeff061]

This could be cool or it could be anticlimatic.

[korme]

Calling Peregrine..

[Peregrine]

Shorty and Jeff turn on Tigercat quickly, and after a brief battle are able to subdue him...then bash his head in with a club a few more times just to make sure. The two remaining survivors look at each other, then with a wicked laugh Shorty turns into a werewolf and lunges at Jeff to tear him to pieces! Unfortunately...Jeff draws a nasty carved silver dagger and plunges it into Shorty's skull in one brutal strike, killing him. Jeff was the Hunter!


Villagers win!

Roles were:

Tigercat - Villager
Shorty - Werewolf
Fonzie - Sorceror
Qwikshot - Seer
Jeff061 - Hunter

[jeff061]

Ah, that went off well.

Sorry I wasn't a innocent villager, though I played a dumb one rather well apparently.

I knew Shorty was a Wolf and Tiger was a innocent or a sorcerer thanks to Qwik the seer's post.

even though you are about to send me to my death.

I gave you your chance ;).

[Tigercat]

Ah the play in which I had screwed up in the end, was afraid of that, sorry Jeff. But we won anyway, so its all good. :)

[jeff061]

Meh, if you had gone after Shorty instead of me all would of gone according to your plan.

[korme]

Dammit!

[korme]

Ok, after Tigercat suspected jeff was a hunter, I was like FUCK! Especially since TC was saying he was the plain villager, I thought.. Should I say I for some reason believe TC and vote for jeff? Cause that's an easy win for me, but I figured if I did that, I'd be fixing up my own noose.. I mean if I keep flip flopping you both would have switched over and caught on.

So I rolled the dice, hoping jeff was a sorceror or seer.

I was wrong.


BTW, I ate Fonzie because if I ate jeff or TC, 2 guys who originally wanted to lynch me, it would look kind of obvious. I ate Fonzie just to confuse the hell out of everyone, also. :P

[jeff061]

Why did you go after Fonzie by the way? I truly was suprised that Tiger lived.

Already answered ;). I was worried you'd pick up on his hunter talk, especially when it took you a bit to confirm.

[korme]

Now I see I killed the man who coulda helped me. D'oh.

[Tigercat]

Meh, if you had gone after Shorty instead of me all would of gone according to your plan.

Its actually Fonzie who screwed me up. I knew he was the sorceror, and he told me "I am suspicious of Shorty too" That combined with the fact that I just got more of a wolf acting vibe from you than Shorty.. You definately saved us, good thing Shorty didn't listen to me.

[jeff061]

That whole long winded explanation I gave was a early theory I tossed out after re-reading Qwik's post. But I decided to use it again since it seemed believable, and I just wanted you to think that I REALLY thought Tiger was a wolf.

[korme]

Why did you go after Fonzie by the way? I truly was suprised that Tiger lived.

Already answered ;). I was worried you'd pick up on his hunter talk, especially when it took you a bit to confirm. Another thing is, because if you both again went back to accusing me of being the wolf, I would have pointed out that strategically it made no sense for me to eat Fonz, if I were the wolf..

[Tigercat]

Although Shorty, I really suspected you as being some evil creature when you didn't vote with me we right away. Not voting Jeff right away wouldn't make sense as the Hunter, and I was pretty damn sure Qwik was the Seer. Thats not to say I would have voted you on a flipflop, I'm not sure what I would have done.

[Fonzie]

Dammit!
Tell me about it. I managed to deftly identify and maneuver the Seer into a lynching in the first round, and what thanks do I get? I get munched on by the wolf I was trying to protect.

*sigh*

[korme]

Yep. I think I was just anxious to see who was who and was ready to end the game

[korme]

Tell me about it. I managed to deftly identify and maneuver the Seer into a lynching in the first round, and what thanks do I get? I get munched on by the wolf I was trying to protect.

*sigh*
lol

[jeff061]

Man this kept me up way later than I should be.

Off to work in 5.5 hours.

[Peregrine]

Should I say I for some reason believe TC and vote for jeff? Cause that's an easy win for me, but I figured if I did that, I'd be fixing up my own noose.. I mean if I keep flip flopping you both would have switched over and caught on.

Yeah this is the trick Shorty. You were in bad situation at the end because the hunter wins as long as he isn't lynched. I was surprised there wasn't more claiming of roles by all sides, you could have claimed to be the seer and viewed Jeff as a wolf the previous night for example. But live and learn, Jeff was in a great situation there.

[Fonzie]

Yeah this is the trick Shorty. You were in bad situation at the end because the hunter wins as long as he isn't lynched. I was surprised there wasn't more claiming of roles by all sides, you could have claimed to be the seer and viewed Jeff as a wolf the previous night for example. But live and learn, Jeff was in a great situation there.
I was expecting that as well.

Great stuff, Peregrine! Thanks again for hosting!

[jeff061]

I was surprised there wasn't more claiming of roles by all sides

Yeah I was suprised by this to, I was trying to leave my options open so that if the need arised I could claim I was a certain role, good or evil. But Tiger wasn't wavering and Shorty was being REAL quiet. I'd probably be screwed if I hadn't known for a fact that Shorty was a wolf.

If I knew whether Tiger was a villager or a sorcerer I may have tried different tactics, but he was so gung ho I assumed he was the sorcerer.

[KevinNU7]

IMO the Hunter should always say that he is the Sorceror when they are down three. Say something like this, "I am the Sorceror! Werewolf, announce yourself and I will vote with you!!!!" This will inevidbly lead to the other two players both claiming they are the werewolf and voting against each other. Then you can pick whichever you want because it guarantees you won't get lynched. This same phylosiphy works if you are the sorceror too, but you have to weed out teh non-wolf on your own.

[jeff061]

I went over all the angles. You can't bluntly say you are the sorcerer or the real sorcerer may say "No, I am" and accuse you of being the hunter(the very mention of which makes the wolf nervous). Then its all up to the Wolf to pick who he believes.

I screwed up early thinking it was Tiger, and I smacked myself when I figured out what was really going on, since I was worried I may of dug a hole, however I think I played the dummie roleless villager well when I decided too ;).

Anyways, my first post in the second round was to hint towards Tiger that I was the sorcerer and I was on his side. In order to have him believe me, or at the very least intill some doubt with him about who Shorty really was.

Would it of worked if I targeted Shorty with the same idea? Who knows.

Basically I think the trick to the game is being able to lay enough strong but subtle hints to get your idea accross, but leave enough leeway to be able change directions if your plan fails.

[KevinNU7]

But then you have the claim that the person only said it as a reaction to your claim as the Sorceror. Also, there's always a good chance the sorceror may be dead before the final 3.

[jeff061]

Yeah but that claim means nothing. Especially when it has already been said to expect a bunch of misleading claims about roles. It will turn into who has the best argument. And who knows, even if the sorcerer is dead they could both say they are innocent villagers and then Lynch me, with one of them convincing the other that I am actually a Wolf.

And I don't like taking blind chances unless I have to. That was Tiger's strategy and it backfired. If I had been on the chopping block I may have played the percentage game. But then again what I would say all hinged on whether Tiger was good or evil. I thought he was evil, I would of been lynched.

I don't think there is an easy out, it varies game to game depending on the actions of others. Qwik's post swayed my actions in this game quite dramatically.