When does Jim (Solecismic Software )...

[maximus]

...usually announce his games (summer, winter, days before release, ect)? I'm dyin' over here.

[gottimd]

Winter, Spring, Summer or Fall......All you have to do is call.......

[sabotai]

...usually announce his games (summer, winter, days before release, ect)? I'm dyin' over here.
Usually not until it's almost ready for release.

[FBPro]

Yep, last time it was like 2 weeks before release.

[Blackadar]

It's getting about time...I have a feeling...

[moriarty]

It's getting about time...I have a feeling...

Probably just gas - lay off the broccoli.

[rkmsuf]

please let it be Front Office Werewolf

[jeff061]

Peregrine and Solecismic are the same person. He's already begun the marketing.

[Blackadar]

Probably just gas - lay off the broccoli.

Me and George Bush, Sr. don't eat broccoli.

Beans, however, are a different story. CLEAR THE ROOM!!!

[Passacaglia]

I'm dyin' over here.

Front Office Seance

[gstelmack]

...usually announce his games (summer, winter, days before release, ect)? I'm dyin' over here.
At least 3 weeks after the last speculation / timeframe request. Thanks a ton, dude.

http://dynamic.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[WrongWay]

I don't understand why we haven't seen a new game in over 2 years?



I hate small time programmers that think they have to re-invent the wheel every time they release a new version of their own game(Hollywood Mogul).

I really wish they would start teaching a John Madden Football class in college for wannabe programmers. Madden came out with a new game every year that was just a wee-bit better than the year before. Do that enough times for many years and you have yourself the best Game Franchise of All Time!

[jeff061]

Sarcasm?

[gstelmack]

I don't understand why we haven't seen a new game in over 2 years?



I hate small time programmers that think they have to re-invent the wheel every time they release a new version of their own game(Hollywood Mogul).

I really wish they would start teaching a John Madden Football class in college for wannabe programmers. Madden came out with a new game every year that was just a wee-bit better than the year before. Do that enough times for many years and you have yourself the best Game Franchise of All Time!
I LOVE smalltime programmers that listen hard to the fans and release significant updates for no charge...

[Eaglesfan27]

I LOVE smalltime programmers that listen hard to the fans and release significant updates for no charge...
Word.

[Raiders Army]

I LOVE smalltime programmers that listen hard to the fans and release significant updates for no charge...
As do I. The funny thing is that since there hasn't been any change to the website, we have to assume that there is nothing forthcoming. That makes it even less than vaporware.

[WrongWay]

I LOVE smalltime programmers that listen hard to the fans and release significant updates for no charge...
So, I guess you are hoping for another Free Patch to come out and not TCY 2? or FOF2006?

Listen to your hardcore fans and then not release anything?

Yeah, I loved that free update myself last month, but would of preferred a Brand New game instead. And, I really hated Jim's Fake-Out release last year. Anouncing that he would have a big anouncement next month only to lay another patch on us was very dissapointing.


So, yes I am huge Fan who is starting to get upset with FOF.

[jeff061]

Wow.

I really thought he was being sarcastic.

[VPI97]

Wow.

I really thought he was being sarcastic.
Me too.

Yeah, I loved that free update myself last month, but would of preferred a Brand New game instead. And, I really hated Jim's Fake-Out release last year. Anouncing that he would have a big anouncement next month only to lay another patch on us was very dissapointingThat 'patch' was just as significant as if he would have called it FOF 2005 and charged people for it. Just because he hasn't been taking money off our hands doesn't mean he didn't put a lot of hard work into the 5.1 update. You're way off base.

[WrongWay]

I guess Jim could of gone the Hollywood Mogul route and just kept pushing the release date back everyother month for 2 years.

[jeff061]

He has a point thought. Look what EA did with Madden, over the course of 15-20 years...with one developer.............and no other games in their stable.

He's right Jim's got us fooled.

[Dutch]

Wrong Way is Way Wrong....meh....too easy!

I personally love Jim's style. It's not that I like waiting around in the dark, it's just that I really love finding out he's releasing a new game and it's relatively soon after the "announcement".

Now, the only thing I ever would ask of Jim is that if he decided to retire from sports simulations that he let us know. A quick note on the boards like, "Screw you, I'm going back to cubicle life, that's where it's at.", would suffice.

[gottimd]

Hey, WW, take one of these.....

http://www.dataste.com/blog/wordpress/wp-images/smilies/chill.jpg

He will release a game when and if it is ready, for now, don't worry about it, continue to play the current versions and cowboy up.

[Eaglesfan27]

I guess Jim could of gone the Hollywood Mogul route and just kept pushing the release date back everyother month for 2 years.

Wow. I can't believe someone is upset because a developer didn't charge 30 dollars or whatever for an update and instead gave it to us for free. The update had a lot of nice additions and it was FREE!

I understand you want a new version. I do too, but I realize that part of the turf with an independant developer is that they don't have a team of programmers and they might not release new versions every year.

They might take time for their family. They might take time to work on other pet projects. They might take time to ensure that they actually add enough new features that it warrants a new version. This might be particularly true, if fans (such as those on this board) have criticized a past version for not adding enough features. It seems to me that Jim actually listens to his customer base more than most developers.

[WrongWay]

He has a point thought. Look what EA did with Madden, over the course of 15-20 years...with one developer.............and no other games in their stable.

He's right Jim's got us fooled.

Go back long enough in the Madden series, Sega, and look at the manual for the developers list. Actually I think they also included a group picture. There were about 3 programmers and maybe 5 game testers and of course the big guy himself.


Edited: Because I am an idiot :D

[digamma]

While we're looking for people, anyone seen QuikSand?

This thread could of made him short circuit.

[gottimd]

of course the big guy himself.
Dom Deluise?

[WrongWay]

new versions every year.


Just how long ago was TCY released?

[dawgfan]

Don't be an idiot.

Go back long enough in the Madden series, Sega, and look at the manual for the developers list. Actually I think they also included a group picture. There were about 3 programmers and maybe 5 game testers and of course the big guy himself.

So you're saying you'd rather Jim charged us for incremental updates instead of providing free, significant patches in between full-fledged major upgrades?

[Eaglesfan27]

Just how long ago was TCY released?
It's been a few years. So what? That is Jim's choice. I think that this is the longest we've gone without a version of one of his two games coming out. However, quite honestly the update made FOF feel like a brand new game to me. It was substantial, and it was FREE! He certainly has focused more on the pro game over the years, which isn't that surprising. It is his choice. I'll happily buy whatever he releases when he chooses to release it.

[jeff061]

Don't be an idiot.

That hurts. No really. I don't think I want to get into an argument about how game development has changed over the last 20 years :). Suffice to say some of the best action games and rpg games of that time were done with teams of five and less, compared to the 50-100 man operations it takes today. Not to mention a lot of dev houses are shipping texture work off shore to cut on labor costs.

[JeeberD]

While we're looking for people, anyone seen QuikSand?


Hmmm...both SD and QS too busy to post?

Intriguing...

[Eaglesfan27]

Hmmm...both SD and QS too busy to post?

Intriguing...
Yes, it is.

[WrongWay]

Hey, WW, take one of these.....

http://www.dataste.com/blog/wordpress/wp-images/smilies/chill.jpg

He will release a game when and if it is ready, for now, don't worry about it, continue to play the current versions and cowboy up.
This has been a long time comming. Every since last years no release. I guess my Madden buy'n days of the 90s have me expecting to buy a new FOF series game every year. I remember back in my college days going without food so I could purchase a new madden game every year the day it was released.

Couple of more good flames and I will be set untill 2006. :D

[gottimd]

Hmmm...both SD and QS too busy to post?

Intriguing...
Maybe they are dating?

[jeff061]

The dates may be off by a year, I can't quite remember, but this situation did happen.

I remember buying Madden 96. Preordering Madden 97. 97 never came, there was no Madden Game that year. I had to wait til 98.

Ya know, just because.

[Raiders Army]

Maybe they are dating?
Or just using one another?

[sabotai]

Jim kept up a new release per year pace a lot longer than most solo indepentant game developers. Look at everyone else. Has Alres released a game every year since he started? HR? The only one I can think of is Markus and, no offense to Markus, some people felt his new versions weren't much more than patches with some more eye candy. He only missed last year. It's not like it's been 3 or 4.

[WrongWay]

Just how long ago was TCY released?
I found this: Release Date July 7, 2001



So, who knows maybe July is a good month to release TCY 2.


And, yes I would really like to buy a new game every year from Jim; even if it is just a wee-bit better than the last version. See any FOF2006 thread for suggestions.

[MizzouRah]

I think we're getting close and I still have that TCY 2 feeling, oh oh that TCY 2 fee-eelin.. I have that TCY 2 feeling, now it's g...

[WrongWay]

Jim kept up a new release per year pace a lot longer than most solo indepentant game developers. Look at everyone else.

So, what happen?

Also, by buying a new game every year, don't you think your money is helping to support the continual development of this game? Free Patches are nice, but they won't make a programmer sit back down and create a new version of their game.

Yes, I want to pay for a new version of FOF, or TCY this year; so there will be another version to pay for next year.

[jeff061]

I think FOF2004 was his best selling title to date as an independant developer and he could afford to skip a year and make a title that requires an extra year of work.

Whatever he's doing I'm guessing he's trying to throw some FM polish on the title.

[WrongWay]

I think FOF2005 was his best selling title to date
Now you are just being mean.

I don't have FOF2005.

[jeff061]

hehe, to slow on my edit ;)

[sabotai]

So, what happen?
I'm not a psychic so I couldn't tell you. You'll have to ask Jim.

Maybe Jim has spoiled some of us with the pace he used to keep. Now that he's dropped to essentially a pace more in line with other solo independant developers, people are starting to rattle the bars of their cribs over it.

As Jim makes more games, the new versions of the game will inherently become more complex. As such, parts of the game will be recoded to accomodate the new features.

I wouldn't be surprised:

1) If he's making a new pro football game, he would have to recode much of the game to accomodate new features and improvements to existing features (MP, to me, felt tacted on. To make it better, he might have had to redo a lot of code to integrate it better). Just recoding some of the game might have taken a good long time.

2) If he's making TCY2, he might have felt it needed to be on par with the latest FOF game, and since there has been 2 versions of FOF since the last TCY, that's esentially 2 versions of work to bring it up to par.

3) If he's making a brand new sports sim, he would rightfully assume it would need to be on par with his latest FOF game, and that would require a lot of work, perhaps 1.5 to 2 years of work to bring a new game from scratch to FOF2004 level.

[gottimd]

For now, I am going on the assumption that nothing is coming out for awhile. But if I have any ideas of improvements or wants in a new version of a game, I post them in the "Ideas for FOF6" thread. I hope he reads that thread and the TCY Ideas thread and tries to incorporate these ideas into a new version if that is what he is working on, but I am not holding my breath. I will just continue to suck ape poopy in my MP league for the time being and not worry or think about when a new version will come out.

[Solecismic]

I never said there would be a big announcement last year. Seems like the usual suspects are trying to stir something up that just isn't there.

[Solecismic]

But if I have any ideas of improvements or wants in a new version of a game, I post them in the "Ideas for FOF6" thread. I hope he reads that thread and the TCY Ideas thread and tries to incorporate these ideas into a new version if that is what he is working on, but I am not holding my breath.

I read those threads from time to time. Not as gospel, but as something to take seriously. I appreciate those who genuinely want a better gaming experience. I learned the hard way a couple of years ago that even a solo developer who tries to support the genre in every way possible somehow makes enemies in the business. I'm a lot quieter now about my work.

[Buccaneer]

The last FOF was announced at least 6 weeks before release.

[vex]

Jim, any possibility for updated schedules etc. for TCY this year? Please:)

[Swaggs]

Jim, any possibility for updated schedules etc. for TCY this year? Please:)

and conferences, please.

I cannot stomach playing with the stinky B.C. traitors still in the Big East. :)

[WrongWay]

I never said there would be a big announcement last year. Seems like the usual suspects are trying to stir something up that just isn't there.
Wrong, you did say soemthing like that last year.

I remember reading the thread. It was in a thread where someone was asking if they should buy FOF. Most people were expecting a new game around then and saying wait and see. Then you came on and made your pre-anouncement post about a Big anouncement comming next week.

The Next week you anounced your patch release and Big price drop.


This is what I remember. I tried doing a search, but your over a thousand posts. And, no I don't know who the usual suspects are.

[vtbub]

and conferences, please.

I cannot stomach playing with the stinky B.C. traitors still in the Big East. :)

Viva ACC!

[Eaglesfan27]

Wrong, you did say soemthing like that last year.

I remember reading the thread. It was in a thread where someone was asking if they should buy FOF. Most people were expecting a new game around then and saying wait and see. Then you came on and made your pre-anouncement post about a Big anouncement comming next week.

The Next week you anounced your patch release and Big price drop.


This is what I remember. I tried doing a search, but your over a thousand posts. And, no I don't know who the usual suspects are.
No, he didn't say there was a big announcement. He did say there was an announcement and that the guy should wait. Another sign of a decent human action, that most developers wouldn't do. Jim told the guy to wait to save the guy money (and thereby lose a bit of money himself.) However, I bet he gained that guys loyalty.

[WrongWay]

No, he didn't say there was a big announcement. He did say there was an announcement and that the guy should wait. Another sign of a decent human action, that most developers wouldn't do. Jim told the guy to wait to save the guy money (and thereby lose a bit of money himself.) However, I bet he gained that guys loyalty.
So, you remember the thread too. Link?

[Eaglesfan27]

So, you remember the thread too. Link?
I don't remember the thread's specific link, but I do remember it. I also remember how grateful the guy was. I think it was one of our foreign members who asked and was subsequently very grateful.

[Swaggs]

Viva ACC!

Boo!

[JeeberD]

http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~fof/forums/showthread.php?p=614091#post614091

http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~fof/forums/showthread.php?p=614140#post614140

[WrongWay]

Look at my post and you will notice I capitalized both Big anouncement and Big price break.

For a first time or potential buyer this would of qualified as Big news. Personally I think Jim was having a little fun with the rest of us. I would saye "Sike", but don't have a clue how to spell it.

[JeeberD]

Look at my post and you will notice I capitalized both Big anouncement and Big price break.


Exactly. That's something you claim Jim said/wrote, yet he never did...

[WrongWay]

Exactly. That's something you claim Jim said/wrote, yet he never did...
Follow your own links and you will see that Jim did make an anouncement about an anouncement comming next week.

As for the exact wording and the general use of the word "Big" I think that was somewhat implied in his PreAnouncement about an anouncement. Besides, All FOF pre Anouncements are Big news around here. :D

[Eaglesfan27]

Follow your own links and you will see that Jim did make an anouncement about anouncement comming next week.

As for the exact wording and the general use of the word "Big" I think that was implied in his PreAnouncement about an anouncement. All FOF pre Anouncements are Big news around here. :D

You can put whatever spin you want on it, but I think most people didn't view that as a big announcement, particularly with all of the disclaimers he put on it.

[timmynausea]

Viva ACC!

Religion is what keeps Big East fans from slitting the throats of ACC fans.

[WrongWay]

Oh, come on!

Telling someone NOT to buy FOF this week because there is something better comming along next week is HUGE news.

[Eaglesfan27]

He said he recommended waiting. He didn't say something better was coming out next week. He did a nice thing and saved the guy money. Sheesh.

He also said he was just having fun with people. Shit like this makes me see even more why he tends to be tight lipped about posting.

[vtbub]

Religion is what keeps Big East fans from slitting the throats of ACC fans.

Lucky for me, I'm agnostic :D

[MizzouRah]

Oh, come on!

Telling someone NOT to buy FOF this week because there is something better comming along next week is HUGE news.
to jbmagic, a patch and price decrease was HUGE news...

[WSUCougar]

I would saye "Sike", but don't have a clue how to spell it.
Front Office Spelling Bee?

[jbmagic]

No, he didn't say there was a big announcement. He did say there was an announcement and that the guy should wait. Another sign of a decent human action, that most developers wouldn't do. Jim told the guy to wait to save the guy money (and thereby lose a bit of money himself.) However, I bet he gained that guys loyalty.


yep

and that guy was me that ask :)

Jim was so honest with me. and i will always remember that.

he has great support and FOF 5.1d is very solid. i am very happy with Jim and will support him whatever he does for his next game.

[Solecismic]

He said he recommended waiting. He didn't say something better was coming out next week. He did a nice thing and saved the guy money. Sheesh.

He also said he was just having fun with people. Shit like this makes me see even more why he tends to be tight lipped about posting.

Exactly. I was trying to keep it low-profile, deflecting with humor. I was working on updating the game, but didn't know exactly how far I'd go. If anyone got "big announcement" out of that, I don't know what to say other than I strongly suspect someone stirring up crap like we had in late 2003.

As for TCY, I'm not saying anything right now. Don't read anything into that. That's not intended to hint at an announcement in any way.

[WrongWay]

to jbmagic, a patch and price decrease was HUGE news...
Exactly, Big News.

[WSUCougar]

[McCoy voice] Well dammit, Jim, then stop posting in this thread! You're a programmer not a soothsayer. [/McCoy voice]

[Swaggs]

[McCoy voice] Well dammit, Jim, then stop posting in this thread! You're a programmer not a soothsayer. [/McCoy voice]

Did you edit your post to include the McCoy voice?

[gottimd]

Is that Jack McCoy?

[Noop]

I had a dream Sab started a thread which read" Surprise!!" andd it was sticky to the top of the board. And he said something like TCY 2 Hell Yeah!! Or something like that..

[timmynausea]

I think WrongWay just stepped into Jim's rage cage.

[jbmagic]

to jbmagic, a patch and price decrease was HUGE news.


Exactly, Big News.


yes big news.

and appreciate Jim honesty to wait before i purchase FOF.

[wade moore]

Wow...

This board has done so much the last several weeks to solidify with me why

A) Jim doesn't bother putting too much time and effort into the docs (not a problem for me).

B) Jim is tight-lipped about current/future projects.

[Dutch]

Is that Jack McCoy?

No, no, that's the real McCoy.

[WSUCougar]

Did you edit your post to include the McCoy voice?
No, I originally used the "<" symbols but they didn't show up.

[sabotai]

As for TCY, I'm not saying anything right now. Don't read anything into that. That's not intended to hint at an announcement in any way.
Uh huh. You heard it here first guys. BIG news about TCY coming soon! Hurray!!

:D

[Eaglesfan27]

Uh huh. You heard it here first guys. BIG news about TCY coming soon! Hurray!!

:D
:D

[jbmagic]

ok let me try again :)

Jim should i purchase TCY or should i wait? :)

[Solecismic]

ok let me try again :)

Jim should i purchase TCY or should i wait? :)

At this point, after four years on the market, I'd think you'd already have it if you had any interest in future versions whatsoever.

My advice is always to wait to ensure any purchase is exactly what you want to make.

[jeff061]

I think theres a code in there.

[vtbub]

Front Office Enigma Maker :)

[Solecismic]

I think theres a code in there.

You'd think there was. But then again, no one seems to be in a rush to solve the enigma puzzles. Some of those are mine, after all.

[vtbub]

You'd think there was. But then again, no one seems to be in a rush to solve the enigma puzzles. Some of those are mine, after all.
:D

[jbmagic]

At this point, after four years on the market, I'd think you'd already have it if you had any interest in future versions whatsoever.

My advice is always to wait to ensure any purchase is exactly what you want to make.



thanks Jim

i was late in getting FOF 5.1 and i am so happy i got it late last year. its the best pro football sim out there. i wish i wasnt so late to sports sims especially FOF. i am having a blast with it for solo and multiplayer.

Been Playing NCaa 2005 and now i am looking for a great college football sim. I am so tempting to get TCY, but i might wait for the next version of it whenever it comes out.

you make great games and your the best for support out there. hope you not mad if i wait until whenever TCY2 comes out. but i will for sure get it. my interest will be there.

thanks again for your honesty with FOF, when you told me to wait a week to get it last year.

[maximus]

I will admit this - At one point I didn't like FOF just because of the interface and lack of career stat tracking but that has all changed now. FOF has now become one of those games where it is a must buy for me (and I only have 3 of those games on my list). The only thing I ask for is a "prettier" interface. Heh, what can I say, I love eye candy to a point. :)

Jim, your games are outstanding. I'm on your bandwagon thats for sure. I just hope that at some point in your programming career you will create a better looking interface. Will I still buy FOF if the interface is left alone? Hell ya I will because your sim engine is the best on the market. I truely think that your fanbase will explode into a much greater number if the interface was a bit more easier on the eyes. Thats not knocking your sim Jim but if I had one request, thats what it would be. :)

[vtbub]

While complex, TCY is very good.

[maximus]

While complex, TCY is very good.


I agree totally. There are some things that I could live without but TCY as a whole is a great sim.

[Dutch]

You'd think there was. But then again, no one seems to be in a rush to solve the enigma puzzles. Some of those are mine, after all.

I'm guessing "in a rush" is the wrong phrase to be used there for like 95% of us.

[Barkeep49]

You'd think there was. But then again, no one seems to be in a rush to solve the enigma puzzles. Some of those are mine, after all.
I wish I were good enough to solve the enigma puzzles but they require leaps of knowledge that my brain just isn't ready to make. Alas.

[Senator]

Some of you have the patience of a mosquito.

[Buzzbee]

As for TCY, I'm not saying anything right now. Don't read anything into that. That's not intended to hint at an announcement in any way.
Tongue, planted firmly in cheek? http://www.fof-ihof.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/icon_pray.gif (javascript:emoticon(':pray:'))





http://www.fof-ihof.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/icon_fap.gif (javascript:emoticon(':fap:'))

[VPI97]

You'd think there was. But then again, no one seems to be in a rush to solve the enigma puzzles. Some of those are mine, after all.That's because yours are too hard. Mine, on the other hand, all got solved in 6 hours or less :D

[digamma]

You'd think there was. But then again, no one seems to be in a rush to solve the enigma puzzles. Some of those are mine, after all.
Yup, Quik definitely could of blown a fuse.

[Flasch186]

So, I guess you are hoping for another Free Patch to come out and not TCY 2? or FOF2006?

Listen to your hardcore fans and then not release anything?

Yeah, I loved that free update myself last month, but would of preferred a Brand New game instead. And, I really hated Jim's Fake-Out release last year. Anouncing that he would have a big anouncement next month only to lay another patch on us was very dissapointing.


So, yes I am huge Fan who is starting to get upset with FOF.

213 posts at this point...well done sir. youve already made a name for yourself.

[TazFTW]

You'd think there was. But then again, no one seems to be in a rush to solve the enigma puzzles. Some of those are mine, after all.So yours is the insolvable latitude/longtitude puzzle? :)

I still think you should put a page on your site that is an enigma puzzle. Enter in the correct answer and you'll be directed to an announcement of your next game.

The way I see it is if you made that page today in the year it'll take someone to solve the puzzle, you would be finished coding.

[Flasch186]

...if the next iteration is not FOF MP upgradable. I will hunt you down and KEEEELLL you!!!! there, I said it.

[Solecismic]

So yours is the unsolverable latitude/longtitude puzzle? :)

I still think you should put a page on your site that is an enigma puzzle. Enter in the correct answer and you'll be directed to an announcement of your next game.

The way I see it is if you made that page today in the year it'll take someone to solve the puzzle, you would be finished coding.

What is so ****ing hard about putting a bunch of coordinates on a map? Seriously. I created that puzzle in ten minutes. There's just nothing to it.

I've thought about making an announcement a puzzle. If I could get the gaming sites to run it, I'd do it.

[CraigSca]

I currently have a couple copies of TCY. Should I purchase yet another copy or should I wait for TCY 2? Inquiring minds want to know.

[Vinatieri for Prez]

I've now read enough to know that TCY2 is coming out next month. You can bank on it. Jim won't say it's not coming, and the 2-year wait is explained by the complete re-write. It's as plain as the nose on Gerard Depardieu's face.

And it's about time, I love FOF, but I've been scared off by the time consuming complexity of TCY. Something a little slicker and simpler for TCY, please.

P.S. I can't believe Jim even bothered to respond to WW. I mean, when does Jim ever come on here and do that? But now I know, it was code for TCY2 is coming in August.

[WrongWay]

I still stand by my statement that Jim faked everyone out last year by tricking everyone in that thread into believing that something big was comming out next week. Read the posts if you don't believe me.

Who will Jim trick this year when Front Office Football Gold edition comes out next week. The Gold edition will have both FOF2004 and TCY for only 29.99.

[sabotai]

I still stand by my statement that Jim faked everyone out last year by tricking everyone in that thread into believing that something big was comming out next week. Read the posts if you don't believe me.
But something big did happen, so how did he fake anyone out?

[maximus]

I've now read enough to know that TCY2 is coming out next month. You can bank on it. Jim won't say it's not coming, and the 2-year wait is explained by the complete re-write. It's as plain as the nose on Gerard Depardieu's face.

And it's about time, I love FOF, but I've been scared off by the time consuming complexity of TCY. Something a little slicker and simpler for TCY, please.

P.S. I can't believe Jim even bothered to respond to WW. I mean, when does Jim ever come on here and do that? But now I know, it was code for TCY2 is coming in August.


While I would love to see TCY2 - I would rather see an updated (ok...prettier) FOF sim with the option to import your career from FOF2004. :D FOF is so close to being the perfect football sim. I know that to many it already is but an interface like OOTPBB would be just outstanding. :cool:

[sabotai]

Did Jim beat up WrongWay's grandmother or something? He seems unreasonably hostile towards him for simply not releasing a game last year. As if Jim owed it to him or something.

How about giving the guy a break. He and his wife had a kid last year if I remember correctly. You'd think people would give him some slack to take care of his baby.

Assuming he helps with the baby. Do you Jim? Or do you just expect your woman to do it all!? HUH!? You chauvinist pig!!

[WrongWay]

But something big did happen, so how did he fake anyone out?
Missleading?
Missdirection?

Did you read the thread, especially all the post following his message. They all pretty much talked about tcy2 or a new fof. Nobody even thought about a price drop.



That is why I am guessing Front Office Football Gold edition.

Hey, every other game campany out there does it , so why not?

[Peregrine]

Personally Front Office Werewolf seems the most appropriate to me.

[maximus]

Missleading?
Missdirection?

Did you read the thread, especially all the post following his message. They all pretty much talked about tcy2 or a new fof. Nobody even thought about a price drop.



That is why I am guessing Front Office Football Gold edition.

Hey, every other game campany out there does it , so why not?


I highly doubt Jim releases a Gold Edition for past games. Now if Jim would release TCY2 and FOF200x in one "Solecismic Super Edition" package for the price of $80 - I would gladly buy it.

[vex]

Missleading?
Missdirection?

Did you read the thread, especially all the post following his message. They all pretty much talked about tcy2 or a new fof. Nobody even thought about a price drop.



Let me get this straight. So because no one GUESSED what Jim was going to do, he lied to us. Did I get that right?

[WrongWay]

Let me get this straight. So because no one GUESSED what Jim was going to do, he lied to us. Did I get that right?
Missleading or missdirection is not lying, its Magic. :D

Having fun with the FOF Davinci Code nuts around here is probably a little fun for Jim. I am guessing because he does it so often.

[WSUCougar]

How about Front Office Paranoid Delusional? Would that release have satisfied you?

[gottimd]

How about Front Office Paranoid Delusional? Would that release have satisfied you?
OOOH, when its gonna come out? Is it gonna be scary? Is that really his next game? A friend of mine told me they played the beta version and 7 days later they died, is this true? Will this make the voices in my head silence?

[KWhit]

Listen, WW. Jim did a nice thing by telling jbmagic to wait before buying FOF. And now he's getting blasted by you for it.

He has become a more regular poster on this board (after a time when he barely posted at all) and you use the fact that he has posted enigma puzzles as proof that he likes to trick us.

You say that he was manipulating us by offering FREE upgrades to his games. That makes no sense.

You are the one who is in the wrong here. It is people like you that make Jim not announce his games further in advance, because he'll get posts like yours crying about every little delay, any feature that didn't make it in the game, small bugs, etc. Jim has been outstanding to this community, offering numerous free patches to us and being open to our suggestions and feature requests.

You've done a great job in proving that he's right to avoid any announcements until the game's basically done. Great job.

[Coltfan Chris]

I am a true newbie to both FOF and this board, but I will say that I am way beyond impressed with Jim's work and his willingness to listen to the fans of the game. I have played FOF almost every day since I installed in on May 16th. It's an addiction. I'm positive that there are 12-step programs out there for people like me, but I don't want the cure. :) I went on vacation with the wife and kids and was without FOF for 5 days. I nearly broke down and cried! Friends have suggested that this game could be a "marriage-killer", but I say the opposite. After 15 years and 4 kids, I think my wife is happy that I spend most nights glued to my computer! :)

Seriously, I have only encountered this kind of interaction with a game programmer once before (Alan Zimm, "Action Stations") and, to me, Jim is beyond reproach. Perhaps it's just because I am still new to the game that I don't have the same sense of urgency that the long-time members of this community have. I have faith that FOF 200X will come out and when it does he will try to incorporate many of the best ideas proposed in the "Suggestions for FOF6" thread. Not all, but there are same darn good ones that I hope make it in. I'm buyin' it, whenever it comes out.

One stupid aside: as a Hoosier, I find it very cool that there seems to be a high proportion of the players with hometowns in Indiana. Maybe there is an equal distribution and I just happen to notice the Indiana boys. I even try to spend late-round picks on Ball State players, since I work there. I think Jim is from New Hampshire, but I wonder if he has Hoosier roots?

Cheers,
Coltfan Chris

[rkmsuf]

Front Office Who Gives A Crap

This thread is gay. Go join Rocks N Rings.

[WSUCougar]

I think Jim is from New Hampshire, but I wonder if he has Hoosier roots?

...and somewhere in New Hampshire, a man with a banged up garage and wearing UM Wolverines jammies bursts into flame.

[JeeberD]

You say that he was manipulating us by offering FREE upgrades to his games. That makes no sense.


Exactly. So if Jim had released the free update as FOF2005 instead and charged $35 for it, would that have been less manipulative and more "honest"? Because there are developers out there who would have done that exact thing. Hell, EA just updated rosters and released it as FOF2002 if I remember correctly.

Jim did us all a favor, WW. Why can't you see that?

[Bee]

I thought everyone knew that Jim was an evil mastermind bent on the destruction of the world. I can't even count the number of times he's spiked Shorty's milk and taken advantage of the poor little guy. Not to mention the malicious code he wrote that caused the Quiksand crash of '03. And we all know that he's behind the disappearance of SkyDog (although I am sure SkyDog will come back even more powerful than before...)

I'm just glad to see someone brave enough to come out and stand against the evil that is Solecismic. Well done WW!

[sovereignstar]

Why don't you all just bury the hatchet and enjoy yourselves in WrongWay's FOF Live (http://foflive.com/) league?

[albionmoonlight]

I hope whatever it is, he announces it in the form of an enigma style puzzle.

[stevew]

Why don't you all just bury the hatchet and enjoy yourselves in WrongWay's FOF Live (http://foflive.com/) league?


A Stage file Every 6 Hrs!

28 Stage Files per week!!

365 days per year!!!

[CraigSca]

I have a feeling there may be a lot of no-shows for that dreaded 12am-6am stage file shift.

[Dutch]

I hope whatever it is, he announces it in the form of an enigma style puzzle.

Here's a couple of suggestions, good luck to everybody trying to figure them out though.

"F____ ______ ________ ___6"

or

"T__ _______ _____ 2"

[MizzouRah]

Front Office Who Gives A Crap

This thread is gay. Go join Rocks N Rings.I never thought I would say.. yah.. this thread is gay.

[maximus]

Front Office Who Gives A Crap

This thread is gay. Go join Rocks N Rings.


Well, I never intended it to be "gay". It's the other FOFC members who turned it into that.

[Buzzbee]

This thread didn't 'turn' gay. It was born that way.

[WrongWay]

Why don't you all just bury the hatchet and enjoy yourselves in WrongWay's FOF Live (http://foflive.com/) league?
Actually, I have now decided to wait untill FOF2006 comes out before starting that league.

[sovereignstar]

Actually, I have now decided to wait untill FOF2006 comes out before starting that league.

So it's definitely FOF 2006 that's coming out then!?? Boy, I hope you aren't lying, cos' I'll be very bitter and disappointed.

[Airhog]

I think simple economics dictates when the next game will come out.

Jim has no real job other than the software he has released. Therefore Jim must release a new game to keep a roof over his family's head. Now on his website it clearly states that he last released FOF2k4 in november of 2003. He released a patch in feb of 2004 for it. So it has been about 18 months since his last game came out.

I think that he will either release TCY 2 or a new game. But if I had to put some money down on it, I would definately go for TCY2

[stevew]

man, i was just gonna sign up to be draft commish for the FOFLive league. Bummer.

[maximus]

This thread didn't 'turn' gay. It was born that way.


chemical imbalance?

[Flasch186]

Actually, I have now decided to wait untill FOF2006 comes out before starting that league.

regardless of the reason, it is a wise decision to bench the league and for any amount of time. You will die from that league or the league will die. One of the 2 but you both shall not live long at all.

[Eaglesfan27]

I don't see 28 commish's ever working as a concept either.

[sabotai]

chemical imbalance?
Ugh, how many times does Tom Cruise have to tell you!? There's no such thing as a chemical imbalance!!

[CraigSca]

You know if that league ever gets off the ground another guy will create one that has stage files every 4 hours, and then FOFLive will be largely forgotten. It's like 8 Minute Abs - some guy comes out with 7 Minute Abs and blows the whole thing out of the water.

My suggestion would be to have a stage file every 6 minutes - to hell with this hours thing.

[gottimd]

You know if that league ever gets off the ground another guy will create one that has stage files every 4 hours, and then FOFLive will be largely forgotten. It's like 8 Minute Abs - some guy comes out with 7 Minute Abs and blows the whole thing out of the water.

My suggestion would be to have a stage file every 6 minutes - to hell with this hours thing.
No! No, no, not 4! He said 6. Nobody's comin' up with 4. Who runs FOF stage files in 4 Hours? You won't even get your heart goin, not even a mouse on a wheel. 6's the key number here. Think about it. 6-Sense. Leonard Part 6. 6, man, that's the number. 6 chipmunks twirlin' on a branch, eatin' lots of sunflowers on my uncle's ranch. You know that old children's tale from the sea. It's like you're dreamin' about Gorgonzola cheese when it's clearly Brie time, baby. Step into my office.

[CraigSca]

Well played :) I was hoping someone would take it and run with it :)

[fantastic flying froggies]

good stuff lads! :D

[Warhammer]

Personally Front Office Werewolf seems the most appropriate to me.

LOL!

Hmmm, do I take jmilium from the BGG league, or should I take GWB from the FOFC league? Hmmm... Who has the better ratings?

[maximus]

Man, I am dyin' right now. I play football sims all year around but the suspense is killing me.

[gottimd]

Don't hold your breath.

For now, just assume the next game (if one is ever going to come out) is gonna be Front Office Werewolf, and continue to enjoy FOF as is.

[Raiders Army]

Vote Solecismic

[MizzouRah]

I can't stand it anymore, I want FOF 2005!! I think I've played 2004 to death and I want a new FOF.

Please please tell me now... :)

[WSUCougar]

Please please tell me now...
Why, are you hungry like the wolf?

[MizzouRah]

Why, are you hungry like the wolf?
You know it, and the Hereford house is about to take care of it.

[dawgfan]

I can't stand it anymore, I want FOF 2005!! I think I've played 2004 to death and I want a new FOF.

Please please tell me now... :)

Dude, there's been enough updates of FOF - time for TCY2. That one is overdue for an update. And after he's done with that, I think it's time for him to finally give us his take on baseball.

[TroyF]

I want another incarnation of FOF, but really, what does it matter? He actually does come out with Front Office Werewolf, I'll end up buying the damned thing. Who am I kidding to think otherwise?

If something does come out later this year, time will be my only problem. November 4, FM2006. November 22, XBOX 360. Civ4, an add on pack for Half Life 2, a Far Cry sequal and a few others I'm forgetting right now. . . God, I need a month long vacation just to keep up. :)

[dawgfan]

Really? There have been 2 major revisions to FOF since TCY came out, and yet people would still prefer another revision of FOF to an update of TCY? Seems to me that quite a few of the upgrades Jim has put in FOF4 and FOF2004 could be migrated back into TCY, along with any number of user suggestions for improving the micromanagement aspects of the game.

Not to mention, Jim now faces some competition in the college football text-sim market once Arlie finishes BBCF. I would think Jim would want to make some effort to rekindling his TCY fanbase, especially considering the popularity of the original and how it "saved his company" after the EA/FOF era. With an updated TCY to go with FOF2004, Jim would theoretically have 2 up-to-date football sims to defend his territory and give him the cushion to branch out into another kind of game (baseball? politics? something else entirely?)

[TroyF]

Really? There have been 2 major revisions to FOF since TCY came out, and yet people would still prefer another revision of FOF to an update of TCY? Seems to me that quite a few of the upgrades Jim has put in FOF4 and FOF2004 could be migrated back into TCY, along with any number of user suggestions for improving the micromanagement aspects of the game.

Not to mention, Jim now faces some competition in the college football text-sim market once Arlie finishes BBCF. I would think Jim would want to make some effort to rekindling his TCY fanbase, especially considering the popularity of the original and how it "saved his company" after the EA/FOF era. With an updated TCY to go with FOF2004, Jim would theoretically have 2 up-to-date football sims to defend his territory and give him the cushion to branch out into another kind of game (baseball? politics? something else entirely?)

It's very simple dawg, I like professional sports better, especially in my text based games. I purchased TCY and played it quite a bit, but I enjoy playing FOF more. I enjoy drafting as opposed to recruiting. I enjoy watching a player develop over a number of years, not one or two and seeing him turn pro.

That's more fun to me. A lot more fun.

I'll buy TCY2 if that's going to be the new game. I'm sure I'll enjoy it. But I won't play it nearly as much as I would FOF.

[Joe]

there is a huge untapped market out there for College Baseball. I think thats the route this next game is going.

[TargetPractice6]

It's very simple dawg, I like professional sports better, especially in my text based games. I purchased TCY and played it quite a bit, but I enjoy playing FOF more. I enjoy drafting as opposed to recruiting. I enjoy watching a player develop over a number of years, not one or two and seeing him turn pro.

That's more fun to me. A lot more fun.

I'll buy TCY2 if that's going to be the new game. I'm sure I'll enjoy it. But I won't play it nearly as much as I would FOF.It's just the opposite for me. I never make it far in pro football sims because I just don't want to manage the salary cap.

[TroyF]

It's just the opposite for me. I never make it far in pro football sims because I just don't want to manage the salary cap.


And that's where the strategy really comes into play for me. "How do I manage my finances" "Should I go with the aging fan favorite RB another year, or try the untested rookie"

In the pro version, especially with house rules, you sometimes are forced to make difficult decisions about who stays and goes on your roster, having to account for talent, salary, depth, etc.

In the college games, you usually recruite the best players you can and play the best players on the depth chart. Period. The fun of the game is in the recruiting of those players.

[amdaily]

In the pro version, especially with house rules, you sometimes are forced to make difficult decisions about who stays and goes on your roster, having to account for talent, salary, depth, etc.

In the college games, you usually recruite the best players you can and play the best players on the depth chart. Period. The fun of the game is in the recruiting of those players.
Agreed. The college game is so incredibly boring, I can't tolerate. But FOF2004 is so outdated, it is no longer fun.

Here's to hoping for a major upgrade to FOF.

[dawgfan]

In the college games, you usually recruite the best players you can and play the best players on the depth chart. Period. The fun of the game is in the recruiting of those players.

Currently that's most of the fun. But something that would make the college game more fun (and more realistic) would be a better way of mirroring the more fluid nature of positions that exists in the college game. You rarely see players in the pros switch positions, especially major switches (DL to OL, TE to DE, etc.) but it happens all the time in the college game. How you adjust your roster can be nearly as complex in the college game as in the pros even without the financial aspect.

As well, the recruiting could be even more complex and challenging than it currently is - establishing relationships with particular HS teams or even just regions, and how you convince a player to sign on are big areas that could be added to the process. Promise a stud RB recruit immediate playing time but don't follow through? You harm your credibility with that HS and make it harder to land guys from that school in the future. Piss off that player in your time management settings? Word will get back to his HS coach and it may sour your relationship.

As well, suggested revisions to the assistant coaching/scouting system could allow for more strategy in those areas - keep the long-time DB coach with the great recruiting ties to the SW region even though is coaching skills are in serious decline, or bring in a new young buck with superior coaching skills but with no recruiting ties built up?

TCY was a very fun game, but it just scratched the surface of the potential that exists for this kind of game. The fact that EA's NCAA football series has arguably surpassed TCY in many areas in recruiting and roster management screams to me that TCY is way overdue for a serious revision.

Some of the stuff I'm suggesting may require more raw computing horsepower than Jim thinks most of his target audience posseses, but if Arlie dots the i's and crosses the t's on BBCF and it's a significant advance on TCY, he'll have a big winner and will cut into what used to be Jim's sole domain.

I know that many prefer the pro game challenge to college, but there are enough fanatical college football fans that it would be a good business decision for Jim to defend his turf. I know that business considerations aren't necessarily Jim's top priority, but I think he enjoys the college game enough to consider continuing that series, and if so now is a great time to update that franchise.

[vex]

Agreed. The college game is so incredibly boring, I can't tolerate. But FOF2004 is so outdated, it is no longer fun.

Here's to hoping for a major upgrade to FOF.
However, if you love the recruiting, like I did, TCY was the game of games.

[Ben E Lou]

However, if you love the recruiting, like I did, TCY was the game of games.I LOVE recruiting. I spend more time following recruiting than I do following the games. Recruiting, evaluating and speculating takes place all year long, while games only run for four months. TroyF has got it right, really in that the college game is about recruiting the best players and watching them develop quickly. Brushing with broad strokes, the pro game is 100% about the games and gameplanning during the season, and 100% about player acquisition in the offseason. The college game is about both during the season, and player acquisition during the offseason. My #1 concern about BBCF having offseason-only recruiting is that it will feel like a pro game with a recruiting module slapped on where free agency and the draft should be, rather than a true college management simulation.

[vex]

I LOVE recruiting. I spend more time following recruiting than I do following the games. Recruiting, evaluating and speculating takes place all year long, while games only run for four months. TroyF has got it right, really in that the college game is about recruiting the best players and watching them develop quickly. Brushing with broad strokes, the pro game is 100% about the games and gameplanning during the season, and 100% about player acquisition in the offseason. The college game is about both during the season, and player acquisition during the offseason. My #1 concern about BBCF having offseason-only recruiting is that it will feel like a pro game with a recruiting module slapped on where free agency and the draft should be, rather than a true college management simulation.
I have to say that I agree.

[Buccaneer]

SD, but wouldn't then it be like FBCB which we both love?

As far as Solecismic, my only wish would be for Front Office Thoroughbred.

[TroyF]

However, if you love the recruiting, like I did, TCY was the game of games.


No doubt about it man. For those who love to do it, TCY was something special and an updated recruiting model in a TCY2 would be close to the holy grail.

And as I said, I'll buy it, I'll play it and I have no doubt I'd like it. But the lack of signifigant "decision making" in the offseason would start to wear on me after playing it and I have no doubt I'd just go back to FOF before it was all said and done.

I'd be happy for you guys though. :)

[Ben E Lou]

SD, but wouldn't then it be like FBCB which we both love?Bingo! ;)

As I've said before, I just *love* the month-by-month model that FBCB uses.

[TroyF]

Oh and DOLA:

I loved FBCB. Great game and I had a lot of fun with it. Yet I drifted to FBB after playing that for awhile. Go figure.

[Karlifornia]

I LOVE recruiting. I spend more time following recruiting than I do following the games. Recruiting, evaluating and speculating takes place all year long, while games only run for four months. TroyF has got it right, really in that the college game is about recruiting the best players and watching them develop quickly. Brushing with broad strokes, the pro game is 100% about the games and gameplanning during the season, and 100% about player acquisition in the offseason. The college game is about both during the season, and player acquisition during the offseason. My #1 concern about BBCF having offseason-only recruiting is that it will feel like a pro game with a recruiting module slapped on where free agency and the draft should be, rather than a true college management simulation.


Good points.

[Buccaneer]

I argue that "both during season" dilutes both.

[Ben E Lou]

I argue that "both during season" dilutes both.I would suppose that if someone couldn't carry both in your their head simultaneously, then that would be the case.

[timmynausea]

I LOVE recruiting. I spend more time following recruiting than I do following the games. Recruiting, evaluating and speculating takes place all year long, while games only run for four months. TroyF has got it right, really in that the college game is about recruiting the best players and watching them develop quickly. Brushing with broad strokes, the pro game is 100% about the games and gameplanning during the season, and 100% about player acquisition in the offseason. The college game is about both during the season, and player acquisition during the offseason. My #1 concern about BBCF having offseason-only recruiting is that it will feel like a pro game with a recruiting module slapped on where free agency and the draft should be, rather than a true college management simulation.

This pretty much sums up my thoughts and feelings on the subject as well.

[ice4277]

there is a huge untapped market out there for College Baseball. I think thats the route this next game is going.
Seriously?

[sovereignstar]

Small Market College Baseball owns. No one will ever surpass it.

[Swaggs]

I love them both. I wish they would make sweet love and produce an offspring with each of their best traits.

[duckman]

Small Market College Baseball owns. No one will ever surpass it.
:D

[gottimd]

NEW FOF!!! I will have uncontrollable bowel movements if that ever comes out.

There are a ton of great ideas/upgrades in the "Ideas for FOF6" thread that would make the game unbelievable.

[MizzouRah]

Really? There have been 2 major revisions to FOF since TCY came out, and yet people would still prefer another revision of FOF to an update of TCY? Seems to me that quite a few of the upgrades Jim has put in FOF4 and FOF2004 could be migrated back into TCY, along with any number of user suggestions for improving the micromanagement aspects of the game.

Not to mention, Jim now faces some competition in the college football text-sim market once Arlie finishes BBCF. I would think Jim would want to make some effort to rekindling his TCY fanbase, especially considering the popularity of the original and how it "saved his company" after the EA/FOF era. With an updated TCY to go with FOF2004, Jim would theoretically have 2 up-to-date football sims to defend his territory and give him the cushion to branch out into another kind of game (baseball? politics? something else entirely?)
Exactly the reason I now could care less about TCY 2. I think GD's college game will be adequate for my college football needs, not to mention NCAA 2006 has been my favorite college football game ever.

I'm not big on the Madden series and well, FOF has been played 1000's of times more than TCY has for me. I can understand that TCY2 is overdue, but this time around I'll have to wait to see what GD's college football game has in store for me. My mind has now changed and I would really love an improved feature rich FOF sequel.

[MizzouRah]

dola,

Whatever Jim is working on I would assume he has been since FOF 2004, but I would think he would make more $$$ with a FOF sequel than he would competing against Grey Dog and a college football sim. (I don't consider Maximum football or Football Mogul any serious competition).

[sovereignstar]

:D

I was hoping someone would know what I was talking about.

[Buccaneer]

NEW FOF!!! I will have uncontrollable bowel movements if that ever comes out.

There are a ton of great ideas/upgrades in the "Ideas for FOF6" thread that would make the game unbelievable.
Except that it is 7 pages of suggested minor changes and tweakings, nothing that would change the game and the way it is played. That shows how good it already is, esp after the last update.

[gottimd]

Except that it is 7 pages of suggested minor changes and tweakings, nothing that would change the game and the way it is played. That shows how good it already is, esp after the last update.
Nothing will change the game and the way it is played. Its football, and there are stages and planning and seasons.

[duckman]

I was hoping someone would know what I was talking about.
I found the whole company disappearing kind of funny.

[dawgfan]

Except that it is 7 pages of suggested minor changes and tweakings, nothing that would change the game and the way it is played. That shows how good it already is, esp after the last update.

Bingo. I'm sure there are a lot of good ideas in there for improvement, but really - Jim's made 2 major revisions of that franchise since TCY came out. While FOF2004 could undoubtebly be improved, I can't see how such a revision would be anywhere close to the upgrade that could occur for TCY.

From a consumer standpoint, it's good for us that Arlie is entering the college football market - more choices for us. But for Jim, it's a challenge to what used to be his turf alone.

I'm sure whatever game Jim is working on now is something that he's been planning for a while, so I'm not sure that BBCF had an influence in Jim's decision, but it's something I'm sure that as a businessman he has to consider. Given that one of the mission statements for his company is to "...maintain the football games (emphasis mine), keeping them on the cutting edge for this type of career simulation" it would seem that the time is ripe to update TCY; doing so now would theoretically give him a little bit of time to branch out into a new type of game before updating FOF again.

[Buccaneer]

Nothing will change the game and the way it is played. Its football, and there are stages and planning and seasons.
I was referring to FOF, not pro football. If Grey Dog were to do a pro game, it would play differently. Same way with Brian, if one can imagine such a game. Just take a look at the pretenders, FM and Maximum. And if one were to think out of the box, how about doing away with stages (i.e., turn-based) and make it real-time (i.e., accelerated time)?

[dawgfan]

I found the whole company disappearing kind of funny.

It was too bad - that game was pretty fun (though I liked the first rev of the beta over the second one...)

[sovereignstar]

I found the whole company disappearing kind of funny.

Ah, but it hasn't. Just recently they created a ground-breaking search engine. See (http://www.chromodev.com) for yourself. :D

[gottimd]

I was referring to FOF, not pro football. If Grey Dog were to do a pro game, it would play differently. Same way with Brian, if one can imagine such a game. Just take a look at the pretenders, FM and Maximum. And if one were to think out of the box, how about doing away with stages (i.e., turn-based) and make it real-time (i.e., accelerated time)?
I understand your point. But if it aint broke dont try to fix it. Unless you are thinking that if there was to be a new game, that is something completely different than football alltogether?

I'm not sure what you mean with "Same way with Brian". My cousin Brian?

[duckman]

Ah, but it hasn't. Just recently they created a ground-breaking search engine. See (http://www.chromodev.com/) for yourself. :D
Bravo. :D

[JeeberD]

I'm not sure what you mean with "Same way with Brian". My cousin Brian?

I'm guessing HeavyReign...

[FBPro]

However, if you love the recruiting, like I did, TCY was the game of games.This is what made me rarely if ever play the game, the recruiting is brutal.........95% of the game is recruiting and not nearly enough actual game depth. If it is college PLEASE give more options to allow for deeper computer controlled recruiting.

[Dutch]

Hmmm, I'll buy anything from Solecismic if it's something I'm interested in, because if I've learned anything about Jim, it's that he takes his work very seriously and will make a solid product.

FOF2k4 is in pretty good shape, but I would almost plunk down $34.95 for Jim if he just gives us smart windows that can remember where they were the last time I played...oh...and puts the scoreboard into MP.

Hell, in all seriousness, he could update FOF2k4 to FOF2k5 with all the new bells and whistles and sell it to us at an upgrade price if he doesn't want to go crazy with a re-write or new features. Just like OOTP 6.5, make it FOF5.5. Make it $14.99. I'll buy it.