Anything new with affinities/conflicts?

[QuikSand]

I'm in the midst of a career, and I am noticing some odd things with affnities and conflicts on my team. I haev two guys who (by the grid that I am used to using) I expect to have an afifnity, and it doesn't show up... and I believe I had a potential conflict warned about a player, but when I signed him, it didn't materialize.

Has anyone else noticed any recent oddities in team chemistry? Perhaps there's something new in the latest patch, a subtle tweak to how this whole system works? (Beats me... just speculating)

[QuikSand]

Specifics, for those inclined to pusue:

My OL position leader:
born 6/30/1999, 7th year player, leadership 67, personality 20

My starting C:
born 3/18/1999, 7th year player, leadership 47, personality 5


From my records, I'm prtty sure that these two signs (Cancer and Pisces, respecively) ought to show affinity. In game, I record no such connection.

Is this perhaps due to their low personality ratings? Anyone seen this before?

[QuikSand]

Additional note - in the OL position group, I currently have no chemistry effects at all, no affinities and no conflicts. There is, it turns out, one more OL (birthdate 3/18/2001, but personality=3) who I would also expect to have an affinity, but he, too, is empty there.

[Celeval]

I have seen low personality combinations result in nothing.

[albionmoonlight]

So far, everything that I expected to happen to my IHOF team has happened.

[Buzzbee]

I did a little research on personality and how it affected the chemistry between two players. I thought I posted it, but wasn't able to find anything here or at IHOF after a very brief search.

Anyway, I found that the strength of the affinity/conflict was simply the sum of the players' personalities. There were ranges and perhaps sometime when I've got the time I'll go back through my notes and reconstruct the ranges. However, I only looked at players that had chemistry, and never thought about players not having enough personality to have chemistry. In a brief pass through my notes the lowest combination I found was 55. Perhaps below 50 (or thereabouts) players, even if they are in compatible/incompatible signs won't have any affinity/conflict.

[fantastic flying froggies]

I did a little research on personality and how it affected the chemistry between two players. I thought I posted it, but wasn't able to find anything here or at IHOF after a very brief search.

Anyway, I found that the strength of the affinity/conflict was simply the sum of the players' personalities. There were ranges and perhaps sometime when I've got the time I'll go back through my notes and reconstruct the ranges. However, I only looked at players that had chemistry, and never thought about players not having enough personality to have chemistry. In a brief pass through my notes the lowest combination I found was 55. Perhaps below 50 (or thereabouts) players, even if they are in compatible/incompatible signs won't have any affinity/conflict.
Buzz, I'm pretty sure you did post this somewhere. Maybe at IHOF?

[cthomer5000]

obvious question: are you sure you have the correct affinities chart?

I recall Jim posting it on IHOF a while ago, but I couldn't find it when searching a few minutes ago.

[wade moore]

I'm 99% sure Buzzer posted this somewhere too.. I'll try to search, but I tend to never be able to find anything... VBB's search sucks..

[MIJB#19]

# Sign Begin End Aff Aff Conflict
1 Aries 3/21 4/20 3 8 11
2 Taurus 4/21 5/21 4 12 7
3 Gemini 5/22 6/21 1 8 6
4 Cancer 6/22 7/23 2 12 9
5 Leo 7/24 8/23 6 9 10
6 Virgo 8/24 9/23 5 9 3
7 Libra 9/24 10/23 10 11 2
8 Scorpio 10/24 11/22 1 3 12
9 Sagittarius 11/23 12/22 5 6 4
10 Capricorn 12/23 1/20 7 11 5
11 Aquarius 1/21 2/18 7 10 1
12 Pisces 2/19 3/20 2 4 8 source? (http://www.fof-ihof.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3316)

[wade moore]

Mr. searcher.... what about Buzz's info about what values it takes for personality to make a conflict? are we all imagining that?

[flere-imsaho]

Mr. searcher.... what about Buzz's info about what values it takes for personality to make a conflict? are we all imagining that?

Looks like that info's in the same thread MIJB posted.

Also on the topic of that thread - which option did you choose for Mr. Dwight, wade? ;)

[wade moore]

Looks like that info's in the same thread MIJB posted.

Also on the topic of that thread - which option did you choose for Mr. Dwight, wade? ;)
I guess I should actually READ the linked thread...

To make it easier:


Player A Player B Total Strength
90 95 185 Strong Affinity
81 95 176 Strong Affinity
76 95 171 Strong Affinity
99 70 169 Strong Affinity
66 70 136 Strong Affinity
66 70 136 Strong Affinity
65 70 135 Strong Affinity
57 70 127 Conflict
28 95 123 Affinity
68 55 123 Affinity
50 70 120 Affinity
96 15 111 Affinity
14 95 109 Affinity
37 70 107 Conflict
92 15 107 Affinity
49 55 104 Affinity
90 07 97 Conflict
77 18 95 Affinity
79 15 94 Affinity
66 16 82 Affinity
73 07 80 Mild Conflict
25 55 80 Mild Conflict
59 18 77 Mild Affinity
59 15 74 Mild Affinity
61 13 74 Mild Conflict
64 09 73 Mild Affinity
57 16 73 Mild Affinity
56 07 63 Mild Affinity
49 13 62 Mild Affinity
29 32 61 Mild Affinity
49 09 58 Mild Affinity
41 15 56 Mild Affinity
41 07 48 Mild Conflict
41 07 48 Mild Affinity
32 16 48 Mild Affinity
37 07 44 Mild Affinity



As for Mr. Dwight... much to the dissapointment of the rest of the league, I hired a new scrub position leader ;)...

[Kodos]

Easier to read version:

FOF 2004 Conflict/Affinity Chart


# Sign Begin End Aff Aff Conflict
1 Aries 3/21 4/20 3 8 11
2 Taurus 4/21 5/21 4 12 7
3 Gemini 5/22 6/21 1 8 6
4 Cancer 6/22 7/23 2 12 9
5 Leo 7/24 8/23 6 9 10
6 Virgo 8/24 9/23 5 9 3
7 Libra 9/24 10/23 10 11 2
8 Scorpio 10/24 11/22 1 3 12
9 Sagittarius 11/23 12/22 5 6 4
10 Capricorn 12/23 1/20 7 11 5
11 Aquarius 1/21 2/18 7 10 1
12 Pisces 2/19 3/20 2 4 8

[QuikSand]

Very handy, thanks.

[Vinatieri for Prez]

I am impressed with the amount of research you guys put into this, but frankly I find this part of the game totally artificial and completely uninteresting. To each his own, however. I guess the fact you can chart out and thus predict the affinities/conflicts also kills it for me. This facet is supposed to add realism, but it comes across as phony, no? I'm glad you can turn this option off.

[KWhit]

In some ways I agree with you. I wish this kind of thing was random and unpredictable. There should be a way to predict a Terrel Owens type of potential clubhouse distraction, maybe just by using personality strength. But I wish it didn't use the bogus (IMO, anyway) concept of astrology.

[Fonzie]

But I wish it didn't use the bogus (IMO, anyway) concept of astrology.
I don't think you need the IMO caveat - astrology is bogus, period. :)

[KWhit]

Heh. I was trying to be polite.

:)

[Buzzbee]

I'm in the midst of a career, and I am noticing some odd things with affnities and conflicts on my team. I haev two guys who (by the grid that I am used to using) I expect to have an afifnity, and it doesn't show up... and I believe I had a potential conflict warned about a player, but when I signed him, it didn't materialize.

Has anyone else noticed any recent oddities in team chemistry? Perhaps there's something new in the latest patch, a subtle tweak to how this whole system works? (Beats me... just speculating)
Quik - Your original post coupled with the re-posting of my research (thanks MIJB/flere) lead me to believe that there may be another range at the bottom. With the two guys that you expected to have an affinity, did both of them have a very low personality strength? Based on your description it seems like the warning came because the players are in like signs. However, the affinity/conflict may not have materialized because there is another range that my research didn't detect.

This might be useful knowledge, as you could actually acquire a player in an opposing sign, if his personality and other's personalities are weak enough. You probably wouldn't want to keep that player long term, but if you could sign an aging impact FA it might be worth it for a season or two. Or you might avoid that trade which you *thought* would be an affinity, which might not be.

[mhass]

I don't suppose anyone has done anything estimating the extent of effect due to conflict/affinity (perhaps by changing a player's b-day and simming a couple seasons)?

[MIJB#19]

Some of you obviously don't have a smart aunt, like I do, who can perform almost magic with her astrology reading. Out of nowhere she can give a phone call and say, 'I know you feel [this] and have to do [that]". After hanging up I realize I've indeed been feeling like [this] for the past days and then realize it might be smart to do [that]. :D

[Kodos]

Even More Improved (or possibly much harder to read version):

FOF 2004 Conflict/Affinity Chart


# Sign Begin End Affinity 1 Affinity 2 Conflict
1 Aries 3/21 4/20 3 (05/22—06/21) 8 (10/24—11/22) 11 (01/21—02/18)
2 Taurus 4/21 5/21 4 (06/22—07/23) 12 (02/19—03/20) 7 (09/24—10/23)
3 Gemini 5/22 6/21 1 (03/21—04/20) 8 (10/24—11/22) 6 (08/24—09/23)
4 Cancer 6/22 7/23 2 (04/21—05/21) 12 (02/19—03/20) 9 (11/23—12/22)
5 Leo 7/24 8/23 6 (08/24—09/23) 9 (11/23—12/22) 10 (12/23—01/20)
6 Virgo 8/24 9/23 5 (07/24—08/23) 9 (11/23—12/22) 3 (05/22—06/21)
7 Libra 9/24 10/23 10 (12/23—01/20) 11 (01/21—02/18) 2 (04/21—05/21)
8 Scorpio 10/24 11/22 1 (03/21—04/20) 3 (05/22—06/21) 12 (02/19—03/20)
9 Sagittarius 11/23 12/22 5 (07/24—08/23) 6 (08/24—09/23) 4 (06/22—07/23)
10 Capricorn 12/23 1/20 7 (09/24—10/23) 11 (01/21—02/18) 5 (07/24—08/23)
11 Aquarius 1/21 2/18 7 (09/24—10/23) 10 (12/23—01/20) 1 (03/21—04/20)
12 Pisces 2/19 3/20 2 (04/21—05/21) 4 (06/22—07/23) 8 (10/24—11/22)