Werewolf IX: Village of the Damned

[Vince]

here you go enjoy

since time is up on the deadline for the wolves.

hoops I bought the coat of arms and passed it to you tonight
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[hoopsguy]

SnDvls, since you are around tonight - lets talk Superman.

What role do you think he is playing? Do you think he, as a wolf, would cast the deciding vote against the other remaining wolf at the time, Raiders Army? If he was a wolf he would surely know he had the coat and that a lynching was likely to ensue during the next period.

Do you think he was a sorceror who had been converted? At that point he would not know who was the wolf, but the evidence that was out there against Raiders was pretty compelling. If he was the sorceror, would endangering a strong wolf suspect be a good play? If he was confused about the two of them, why not sit it out and avoid a lynching that night? This would have extended Raiders lifetime one more day.

Or do you think he was converted recently? This idea makes more sense to me than the first two, assuming that we have three enemies right now.

[hoopsguy]

Coffee, do you see my point on the seer item? If it takes three days (minimum) to get it and activate it, I'm concerned that the game is over at that point.

All in all, good responses.

[SnDvls]

you could go two ways with this

1) he knows everyone pretty much knew RA had the coat and was a wolf. so to keep himself low he votes him out as a wolf

OR

2) he was converted before the 2nd vote (I believe this one more as I look at it). He had to vote the same way again or someone would have called him on it.

I think there are 2 wolves honestly, just my gut

[SnDvls]

(ooc) gotta run I'll catch up on this tomorrow morning....assuming I'm around (/ooc)

[Poli]

I'd like to see a response from Mr. Wednesday. Right now I assume he's at least tainted since he keeps trying to paint me.

My vote is staying with him.

[kingfc22]

King, why pass such a strong item on the first night?
Now that it is past the eating deadline, I can tell you one thing. If I am still alive after Peregrine makes his post. The villagers will be in VERY good shape for tomorrow's vote.

[Poli]

Why is that??

[kingfc22]

Why is that??
Patience my friend...

[Eaglesfan27]

I passed it to Eagles on the first night as I opened the game with it. I played the previous mafia WW game with Eagles and I know he was a good WW player and thought he would benefit from such a strong item.

I'm not sure why you would lie about that, but I've never had the dagger.

[Poli]

Ugh!!! What do you mean patience? What if you die? Spill it! :)

[Poli]

I'm not sure why you would lie about that, but I've never had the dagger.Uh oh. The plot thickens. I've always thought henry passed it to me, honestly.

[kingfc22]

I'm not sure why you would lie about that, but I've never had the dagger.
The only way that you did not get it is if someone had the guise and it was intercepted. Other than that, you are flat out lying.

[Poli]

Ooh. This is getting good. :) Don't know who passed it to me, but I got the dagger right here.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I'd like to see a response from Mr. Wednesday. Right now I assume he's at least tainted since he keeps trying to paint me.

My vote is staying with him.I don't think you're a wolf, but I do think you are an excellent candidate to have turned into a sorceror. I'm still trying to figure out who the remaining wolf is. Schmidty acted the part, but unfortunately it was innocent mistakes, and his limited time didn't give him an opportunity to defend himself. Nobody else has obviously acted the part.

My item history, prior to my reveal of the pendant bit:
* Started with the tablet.
* Passed it to Lathum with a joking "We're coming for you!" or some such on it. Little did I realize how prophetic that was... yet, ironically, I didn't vote for him.
* Accumulated gold for three nights, bought a pendant of seeing, and used it on SnDvls. He appeared to be a villager.

I'll leave further discussion until after tonight.

[Eaglesfan27]

The only way that you did not get it is if someone had the guise and it was intercepted. Other than that, you are flat out lying.
I'm not lying. I've never received the dagger. Perhaps someone did intercept it, but I never received it.

[Poli]

Hattrick supporter on the line. I'm clean. Take the bet.

[Coffee Warlord]

I do and I don't, as far as the amulet buying goes.

There's only a few items even remotely useful at this stage in the game, as I see it. Frankly, I think the option of silver passing is a terrible idea, and I'll explain my logic here.

Say we somehow manage to get everyone to trust Ardent (if he does indeed have the dagger). No small task there. He must then pass said dagger that turn to buy something, which occurs BEFORE eating. He is now vulnerable to wolf attack, and now with a badass expensive item. Since you cannot activate something the same turn you buy it, there's a window there where the wolves can get the person with all that cash.

Now, since accumulating a large amount of money is gonna be hard, we're stuck with cheaper items. Of those, I think a one shot seer item is still the most useful. Someone will either get cleared, or get outed. Yes, it might be too late, but what other items that one person can reasonably acquire at this point are out there?

[Mr. Wednesday]

Er, correction, I accumulated gold for two nights (night 1 and night 2), since I started with one and I did not get an item in return after passing the tablet.

If the night action deadline has passed, I'm willing to go into full detail on what I've done since as well.

[Poli]

Oh, and I'm taking any of the hattrickers on the bet as well. If you got questions, I got answers. I ain't no wolf. I ain't no sorcerer, at least before tonight's actions.

Anyone wanting in on this bet just let me know.

[kingfc22]

You see. I passed it to you on night 1.
+1 silver
nobody gave me an item on night 2
+1 silver (2)
nobody gave me an item on night 3
+1 silver (3)
nobody gave me an item on night 4
+1 silver (4)
nobody gave me an item on night 5
+1 silver (5)

I then bought the Ledger

didn't use it on night 6 because of the huge bandwagon on Raiders, hence my attempt to swing votes towards Vince

I used it tonight to see who voted for Schmidty.

If there are more than 1 bad guys in the group, Eagles is my number 1 target. Mainly for his vote for RealDeal on day 5 when he could have switched to Raiders.

Hope this adds a little more anticipation. :D

[Poli]

I do and I don't, as far as the amulet buying goes.

There's only a few items even remotely useful at this stage in the game, as I see it. Frankly, I think the option of silver passing is a terrible idea, and I'll explain my logic here.

Say we somehow manage to get everyone to trust Ardent (if he does indeed have the dagger). No small task there. He must then pass said dagger that turn to buy something, which occurs BEFORE eating. He is now vulnerable to wolf attack, and now with a badass expensive item. Since you cannot activate something the same turn you buy it, there's a window there where the wolves can get the person with all that cash.

Now, since accumulating a large amount of money is gonna be hard, we're stuck with cheaper items. Of those, I think a one shot seer item is still the most useful. Someone will either get cleared, or get outed. Yes, it might be too late, but what other items that one person can reasonably acquire at this point are out there?
I imagine I could buy it and pass it, keeping the dagger.

[kingfc22]

dola

This is why I was laying so low. To avoid being lynched and to avoid being killed.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Has the night action submission deadline passed?

[Poli]

You see. I passed it to you on night 1.
+1 silver
nobody gave me an item on night 2
+1 silver (2)
nobody gave me an item on night 3
+1 silver (3)
nobody gave me an item on night 4
+1 silver (4)
nobody gave me an item on night 5
+1 silver (5)

I then bought the Ledger

didn't use it on night 6 because of the huge bandwagon on Raiders, hence my attempt to swing votes towards Vince

I used it tonight to see who voted for Schmidty.

If there are more than 1 bad guys in the group, Eagles is my number 1 target. Mainly for his vote for RealDeal on day 5 when he could have switched to Raiders.

Hope this adds a little more anticipation. :D
Wow. Anticipation is kiiiiiilllllllllllling me now.

[Poli]

Has the night action submission deadline passed?All I see is Peregrine PMing.

[Coffee Warlord]

I imagine I could buy it and pass it, keeping the dagger.

I'm not sure that can be done in the same turn. Pere? Anyone?

[Mr. Wednesday]

Then I better act fast... I accumulated two more silver, plus got the one from RA's lynching, bought a Pendant, and am viewing EF27 tonight.

[Poli]

What I mean is, buy it tomorrow. Assuming I don't use the dagger, I now have two items. The next night I pass it.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Dola, thus is my tale of items.

[Coffee Warlord]

What I mean is, buy it tomorrow. Assuming I don't use the dagger, I now have two items. The next night I pass it.

That's my point. If you have an item in your inventory, pre-passing, you can't buy another one. It has to be passed.

I think. :)

[Poli]

You're hurting my head.

[hoopsguy]

I know that Peregrine has been processing them pretty early in the morning (6AM-ish), but not all that close to the midnight hour. As far as the deadline, probably worth checking.

King, that is really great news on the Ledger. Very valuable item to possess at this point. I'm delighted.

The Guise is out there - I had it in my possession at one point in the game but moved it on to parts unknown. Not saying that played a role in the Dagger-passing story, but confirming its existence in the game.

[Coffee Warlord]

I'm going to bed before my head explodes. :)

[Poli]

I don't see it in the rules...but perhaps I should open my eyes. It's past my bed time....hurry up Peregrine.

[Mr. Wednesday]

A scenario that I considered plausible during the day today is that ardent and CW had both been converted to sorcerors... I think the voting record would favor ardent first and CW second. I don't know if that would make any sense from the wolf poing of view, though. And, well, if that's the case, they sure are doing a great job of playing it tonight. :p

[Poli]

I think I'll go to bed too...with friggin nightmares of werewolves.

[Poli]

Take the bet, Mr. Wednesday. Take the bet.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Peregrine did say night actions by midnight. Of course, we're stretching things by discussing after midnight when it's possible that one of us, theoretically, is already dead.

[Poli]

Regardless, they ain't killing me. Not with my handy dagger.

[Mr. Wednesday]

You never know what they might do with me. I've been a bit scattershot to help my villager side so far (as, unfortunately, was also the case in X-Com). I was a little tight-lipped because I didn't want to invite killing (for cause or for silver) prior to using my new pendant.

[hoopsguy]

Pass is Phase 3, Purchase is Phase 6 (actiavate). So you should be able to buy while holding one item.

When you pass, you can only have one item in your possession at the conclusion of that round. But you can receive items via pass so you have multiple items at the point where you are activating an item from the previous day.

Peregrine, would love a confirmation on this but I'm pretty sure this is correct after re-reading post #1.

Cutoff for instructions is midnight EDT, also from post #1.

[kingfc22]

hmmmm

Interesting that Eagles was still around after my revelation and he didn't post a thing.

[Poli]

Well, hopefully enough people still trust me. Off to bed. Good night fellas.

[Eaglesfan27]

hmmmm

Interesting that Eagles was still around after my revelation and he didn't post a thing.
Actually, I was playing Madden and just turned it off. I'm catching up with everything now.

[hoopsguy]

Well, if Eagles shows up as wolf then this seems pretty easy. And we hope that we are fighting two wolves instead of wolf + 2 sorcerors - think that is an easier game for us at that point, plus it keeps seer devices in play.

I'm working on the idea that we can post frankly right up until we see Peregrine's post that we are dead.

[Eaglesfan27]

Now, I'm caught up. I'll wait to see the results of the Ledger before commenting on that. However, I know I'm a villager.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Sure, that's my viewpoint, I just think we're stretching things a little by taking advantage of the gap between the action deadline and the posting of results to speak frankly. Less so now, but a few days ago we were particularly interested in the money supply.

[Eaglesfan27]

Well, if Eagles shows up as wolf then this seems pretty easy. And we hope that we are fighting two wolves instead of wolf + 2 sorcerors - think that is an easier game for us at that point, plus it keeps seer devices in play.

I'm working on the idea that we can post frankly right up until we see Peregrine's post that we are dead.

Not necessarily. Mr. W could be the wolf and pretend to view me and claim I'm a wolf. Do you know that he really purchased a pendant?

[hoopsguy]

Nope, don't know it for sure Eagles. You are both on Schmidty for votes today - should be interesting to see the ledger results, if King is alive tomorrow to provide them.

[kingfc22]

Well, it looks as if Peregrine won't be on again tonight so I'm going to log off for a bit.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Not necessarily. Mr. W could be the wolf and pretend to view me and claim I'm a wolf. Do you know that he really purchased a pendant?Hmm... foreshadowing the result, perhaps? A little pre-defense?

[Eaglesfan27]

Hmm... foreshadowing the result, perhaps? A little pre-defense?

I'm not sure that my work will have the internet working tomorrow (since it wasn't working the other day) and I won't be home from work til about 5:00 PM Central. I'm just throwing out that concern in case you are setting me up.

[hoopsguy]

Eagles, you holding a mask right about now? Someone setting you up, given all the heat that has been generated since the Raiders vote last Friday?

Just trying to help with the pre-defense efforts ...

[Vince]

This is getting crazy. Go villagers!

[Mr. Wednesday]

Eagles, if you are a villager and I survive the night, you should have nothing to fear.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Dola, it should also be noted, I actually expressed suspicion of CW, ardent, and MrBug toward the end of the voting. Under the circumstances, I would not expect that the mask would have been passed to you to set you up, if another one has been purchased (and with two books, I'm not convinced there's enough silver in the hands of the wolves).

[hoopsguy]

Lets all try to poke some holes in the stories of Wednesday and Kingfc on their items - did anyone pass either of these guys an item in the first five days of the game? Both of them had to accumulate quite a bit of silver along the way to make these purchases.

King/MrW, if you did receive an item via pass at some point it would be helpful to cite the day and what impact it had on your accumulation of silver to make your purchase.

Really looking forward to tomorrow morning to see how this plays out.

[Mr. Wednesday]

The only thing I ever received was random receipt of Raiders Army's one silver piece, which allowed me to purchase my second pendant a day early. I started with the tablet and passed it (as was required) in night one.

[Peregrine]

I won't be posting results until I get home, as I'm an idiot and keep forgetting to forward my game info to work.

[kingfc22]

King/MrW, if you did receive an item via pass at some point it would be helpful to cite the day and what impact it had on your accumulation of silver to make your purchase.
Hoops, look at post 1521. Night 6 was the first time I ever received an item from a pass.

[Peregrine]

Another night passes, and another life is claimed. Tonight it is Hoopsguy who is found half-eaten in his room. He was an innocent villager. The ragged remains of the Robe of the Priest are found beside him, it is destroyed.

Day 8 - 8 of you remain.

kingfc22
sundvls
Coffee Warlord
eaglesfan27
Mr. Wednesday
MrBug708
Superman=#54
ardent enthusiast

hoopsguy - eaten Night 7 - villager
Lathum - Lynched Day 2 - villager
blade6119 - Lynched Day 4 - villager
Henry296 - killed Night 4 - villager
BrianD - killed Night 3 - villager
digamma - Lynched Day 3 - werewolf
fouts - Poisoned and died Night 3 - villager
schmidty - Lynched Day 7 - villager
dubb93 - killed Night 2 - villager
vince - killed Night 6 - villager
Qwikshot - Lynched Day 1 - Sorceror
RealDeal - Killed Night 5 - villager
Jeff061 - Killed Night 1 - Sorceror
Raiders Army - Lynched Day 6 - werewolf

Lynch votes in by 8 pm.

[Peregrine]

Okay, night PMs are out to everyone.

[hoopsguy]

Take it home, villagers. Good game, all.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Vote EaglesFan27

I think the vote speaks for itself.

[Eaglesfan27]

Mr. Wednesday lies. He did not view me as a wolf in the pendant. I'm a villager, and I've had the amulet all along.

I stole it from Fouts on the 1st night using the lockpicks of the thief. Henry could have confirmed this as I talked to him about it through his robes the next day.

On the 2nd night, I viewed Fouts and that is why I left a post about if anyone could save him, they should.

On the 3rd night I viewed Ardent Enthusiast, and I saw that he was a villager.

On the 4th night I viewed Superman, and I saw that he was a villager.

On the 5th night I viewed Real Deal and saw that he was a villager (albeit a crazy one) which is why I agreed to switch to Raiders Army.

On the 6th night, I viewed hoopsguy and saw that he was a villager (I thought he might be a brilliant werewolf.)

On the 7th night, I viewed Mr. Wednesday. He is a werewolf. I don't know how he figured out that I'm the seer. I thought I was fairly cautious with my clues which are scattered throughout the thread. In any case, if you end up believing Mr. W's lie that he bought the pendant and viewed me as a werewolf, you will not only kill a villager, but lose the amulet.

Don't make a mistake.

Oh yeah,

I vote Mr. Wednesday.

I'll be passing the amulet to someone that I believe is safe (whom I viewed earlier) so that we don't lose this valuable item if the wolf(ves?) eat me tonight.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I think EF27 is going for the win right now. He knows full well that by accusing me of being the werewolf, if you go along with him, when I'm shown to be a villager, he'll be right on the block.

[Mr. Wednesday]

The amulet play is a nice one, though... he might even have it.

[SnDvls]

vote EaglesFan

after the conversation I had w/ hoops last night he has to be a wolf

[kingfc22]

Ok, here is what the Ledger told me.

Out of Eagles, Mr. W, Superman and AE - only ONE is a bad guy.

That means out of CW, SnDvls, and Myself - there is at least one if not two bad guys.

I am a villager, which means if there are TWO bad guys in that second group, we can not miss.

With that being said, we need the more probable kill.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I know EF27 is a wolf -- for me, that is not a probable kill, that is a certain kill. If we have one wolf and two sorcerors, we need the wolf, because then we would get at least one night with no wolf kills. My vote is not changing.

Also -- you left out MrBug.

[kingfc22]

Also -- you left out MrBug.

Ahhh, crap. Was looking at my list and forgot he didn't vote yesterday.

[kingfc22]

So right now it is 5-3. If we vote wrong today, the game is likely over unless we somehow prevent the wolves from eating tonight with the use of an item.

Right now we have a 1/4 shot at Eagles, Mr. W, Superman and AE

We have either a 1/3 or a 2/3 shot at CW, SnDvls, and MrBug

I repeat, we NEED a kill.

[Mr. Wednesday]

You've got a 1/2 shot between me and EF27. We can't both be telling the truth.

[MrBug708]

Why am I included in the wolf list?

[Mr. Wednesday]

You're not. You're included in the list of four people that kingfc22 says contains at least one and possibly two bad guys. I think the exchange between EF27 and myself demonstrates that it is either one wolf or two sorcerors, as either EF27 or myself is a wolf.

[Poli]

You bastads...no one sent me any silver. UGGGGGGGGGGGH!

[Poli]

VOTE MR. WEDNESDAY

At least Eagles isn't trying to implicate me.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Anything I can do to try to convince you to do the right thing, ardent?

[SnDvls]

That means out of CW, SnDvls, and Myself - there is at least one if not two bad guys.

I am a villager, which means if there are TWO bad guys in that second group, we can not miss.

With that being said, we need the more probable kill.

well if that is the case. then CW is a bad guy as I am a villager too.

[Poli]

You'd be hard pressed. Implicating me even in the slightest is not a way to get on my good side...and has me feeling you're dirty. I've even put a year of supporter on the line to back up my claims of innocence, yet I don't hear anything out of you. I didn't hear, "okay, you've got to be clean" or anything.

[Poli]

well if that is the case. then CW is a bad guy as I am a villager too.CW may have gone to the Dark Side. I've thought as much since I didn't see a Hammer or silver out of him today.

[Poli]

Of course, I didn't see any silver out of anyone. Either you don't have silver, or you don't trust me.

[kingfc22]

Here's where I'm at right now.

I think Mr. W is the wolf. Now thanks to SnDvls handing the coat of arms to Hoops, which strikes me as an odd move. Why give Hoops this item? He has never been in danger of being lynched and this item is a whole lot more beneficial to the Wolf than it is to the villagers at this stage of the game. And then he gets eaten last night and lo and behold the wolf now has the coat.

SnDvls keeps getting higher and higher on my list now that he claims CW is a bad guy when he was my least likely target out of my 2nd group.

MrBug jumped ahead of CW, when Mr. W promptly responded to my post on #1570. I totally forgot about Bug, but Mr. W was quick to mention him. Why was he so quick to name MrBug probably because he is the other sorcerer that had been converted and Mr. W WOULD know who they are. Hence the hints left by SnDvls left during the day about the "item" he held.

Vote SnDvls

What do you villagers think? I can't send my vote for Mr. W today because if he has the coat we are down to 4-3 tomorrow. I rather go for the 5-2 then 4-2 lead. Are you villagers with me?

[kingfc22]

So I have Mr. W has the wolf.
SnDvls and MrBug as the sorcerers.

[Poli]

If we kill the wolf, coat or not, the game is over, isn't it? Let's make him wear out the coat, and kill him next go around.

[MrBug708]

Heh, Mr. W probably mentioned me fast because we were in the first mafia game on the same side and talked a lot on AIM. Not so much now because of the different makeup from the game.

I dont understand how I'm bad just because Mr. W. corrected your mistake and that makes me a sorcerer?

[kingfc22]

dola

I decided to pass this item to someone I trust, you can bet it's not Superman or EaglesFan.
This is the post where SnDvls leaks the info to the wolf who knows that SnDvls is a sorcerer and will listen to his hints.

[Poli]

This is the post where SnDvls leaks the info to the wolf who knows that SnDvls is a sorcerer and will listen to his hints.Heh, if you're right that makes you a bad mamma jamma.

[kingfc22]

If we kill the wolf, coat or not, the game is over, isn't it? Let's make him wear out the coat, and kill him next go around.
I just re-read the rules and I could not find an explicit definition of winning conditions. It says the sorcerers win if the wolves win and lose if the villagers win.

Peregrine - Do the villagers win if the last wolf is killed?


I will change my vote to Mr. W if the answer to this question is yes.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Heh, Mr. W probably mentioned me fast because we were in the first mafia game on the same side and talked a lot on AIM. Not so much now because of the different makeup from the game.There's nothing to read into a "fast" mention -- I looked at the list, the numbers didn't add up, so I tried to figure out who was missing.

[Mr. Wednesday]

You'd be hard pressed. Implicating me even in the slightest is not a way to get on my good side...and has me feeling you're dirty. I've even put a year of supporter on the line to back up my claims of innocence, yet I don't hear anything out of you. I didn't hear, "okay, you've got to be clean" or anything.I really had no idea how much weight to give the offer. The fact is, everything was pure guesswork; aside from Schmidty, where I obviously completely screwed up, there's almost nothing to go on, until our action today. I raised you as a possible sorceror because I believed you were clean early in the game, and somebody who was trusted early on is a good candidate for conversion.

[kingfc22]

The post I quoted in 1588 leads me to believe that Eagles is not a wolf because SnDvls was helping you by narrowing your kill to the obvious choice of Hoops, who was the most trusted by the villagers.

Since Eagles says your a wolf on post #1566 then your defense of MrBug only makes me more suspicous.

[Mr. Wednesday]

If EF27 is not a wolf, then he's a villager with the mask. That's not completely impossible, but it's highly improbable. I hadn't included him in my pre-Schmidty list of alternate suspects, mainly because he had jumped on RA early. In retrospect, it looks like they had agreed that RA had very little chance of talking us out of the lynch, so it was a good opportunity for EF27 to get some trust. It worked, too -- I probably would have voted for him yesterday if he hadn't been one of the first three on the RA bandwagon.

I'm not defending MrBug. I have no idea what he is; while I've been focusing on getting the wolf, I haven't thought as much about the sorcerors, but MrBug is definitely someone I'd be willing to consider. I just don't want my supposed "quick response" to be interpreted as meaning anything, because it doesn't -- either for or against.

[Peregrine]

I just re-read the rules and I could not find an explicit definition of winning conditions. It says the sorcerers win if the wolves win and lose if the villagers win.

Peregrine - Do the villagers win if the last wolf is killed?


I will change my vote to Mr. W if the answer to this question is yes.

Yes.

[kingfc22]

Unvote SnDvls

Vote Mr. W

[Coffee Warlord]

Whelp. Answers that one. We go for the wolf.

Now, I think we can safely narrow it down between MrW and Eagles. Frankly, I believe there's more reason to believe EaglesFan than there is MrW. As such....

Vote MrW

[Superman=#54]

Eagles has played it well. I just can't believe Mr. Wendsday.

Vote Mr. Wednesday

*Edit for spelling*

[Mr. Wednesday]

All I ask is that somebody nail EF27 for me, then. Hopefully, it doesn't cost you the game.

[Mr. Wednesday]

And, aside from the claim about the amulet (which could be true even with EF27 lying about me being the wolf), why do you find him more credible than me?

[Coffee Warlord]

I've honestly never much evidence pointing that Eagles is a wolf...except a few 'feeler' votes from you. He was considered a pretty sure thing for a villager by myself and a few others, including one I trust completely (AE). Hell, his name was brought up for conversion to Sorc a couple times, as I recall. If, as logic dictates, there is 1 wolf and 2 sorcs, then I simply cannot believe Eagles is one of the three original wolves.

In short...I have more reason to believe him than you. If I'm wrong, I apologize. But I gotta go with who I trust more.

[Mr. Wednesday]

He's been on the same side as me for three straight votes. I see no reason that one of us should be more trustworthy than the other.

[kingfc22]

Take it for what it's worth. I already told you what I believe about the post count activity. Dolaposts and multiple dolaposts only count as one post. If someone interrupted your dola and you responded, I counted both of your posts. This is raw data and doesn't take into account content of posts.

Name: Day 2 posts/Day 3 posts

Ardent: 14/7
Raiders: 13/15
BrianD: 10/9
hoopsguy: 10/18
Coffee Warlord: 7/7
RealDeal: 7/6
Mr. Wednesday: 7/2
henry296: 6/6
Vince: 4/12
SnDvls: 4/6
Superman: 3/2
Blade: 3/1
MrBug: 2/4
Schmidty: 2/1
Eaglesfan: 1/7
kingfc22: 1/1

The ones I put in red are the ones whose post counts when up substantially when a wolf's head was on the line. The ones in blue are the ones whose post counts went down.

Although MrBug's post count doubled, he didn't post much anyhow, so I don't consider him a prime suspect....yet.
Was going back over the thread and this is another post that I think makes it clear that Mr. W is the correct target. Notice who Raiders (a wolf) is targeting and who he is trying to protect.

[Schmidty]

Sucks that I died.

Good luck to you guys.

[kingfc22]

Mr. W, I hope that coat fits you nicely tonight because you're getting a rope tomorrow.

[Mr. Wednesday]

:confused:

My post counts went down (i.e. I didn't try to talk people out of voting for a wolf), so I'm the wolf? This is getting more insane by the post!

[Mr. Wednesday]

Dola, I have an item, and it's not the coat. If there is one around, I don't know who has it.

[kingfc22]

:confused:

My post counts went down (i.e. I didn't try to talk people out of voting for a wolf), so I'm the wolf? This is getting more insane by the post!
Figured you would look at that part of the post which you are right it doesn't make any sense. However, now that we know Raiders is a WOLF we can look at what he was trying to accomplish.

Names in red who Raiders wants people to target: Hoops (villager), Vince (villager) and Eagles.

And he trys to clear you by putting you in blue.

Now why would I vote for someone, Eagles, when Raiders wanted him to be a target and he wanted you safe?

[kingfc22]

Also, after the first conversion we have these posts:

#989 - VERY FIRST POST after Peregrine announced Book of the Damned was read, Mr W. claims to have viewed SnDvls and says he is a villager

#1026 - Mr. W attempts to gain Vince's trust and reassures him that SnDvls is a villager

#1041 and #1044 are quite funny - SnDvls votes for RA not knowing who the wolves that converted him are and then RA asks "Okay...no hard feelings, but a little reasoning? Just because I said a vote analysis wouldn't do much at this point?"

Looks like their plan backfired a bit at this point...

#1052 - Mr. W tells SnDvls he is in his circle of trust. Combine this info with what Mr. W said above, I'm sure SnDvls knows who converted him now.

This all leads me to last night when SnDvls leaked his info to Mr. W which I pointed out in post #1588.

Throughout the thread, I can not find any hard evidence to link Eagles to being a bad guy.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Oops, missed that part of it. I'm not sure what to read out of that... whether it was an attempt to build credibility by slipping a wolf in the list, or whether it suggests that we have two wolves (with EF being a more recent conversion) rather than a wolf and two sorcerors.

[SnDvls]

Here's where I'm at right now.

I think Mr. W is the wolf. Now thanks to SnDvls handing the coat of arms to Hoops, which strikes me as an odd move. Why give Hoops this item? He has never been in danger of being lynched and this item is a whole lot more beneficial to the Wolf than it is to the villagers at this stage of the game. And then he gets eaten last night and lo and behold the wolf now has the coat.



actually in an error it never got passed. Not my error, but an error in communication w/ me and the mod of this game. I still have it. So lynch away at the wolves they don't have any protection.

[kingfc22]

whether it suggests that we have two wolves (with EF being a more recent conversion) rather than a wolf and two sorcerors.
This is NOT possible. The ledger says that only 1 bad guy voted for Schmidty. Sorry, try again.http://dynamic.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Mr. Wednesday]

I'm sure it doesn't help much, since you've already spun a yarn about SnDvls being in cahoots with me, but I had previously posted that I had one item, which was not the coat.

[Mr. Wednesday]

This is NOT possible. The ledger says that only 1 bad guy voted for Schmidty. Sorry, try again.http://dynamic.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif:confused:

I've said that, based on the exchange with EF27, one of the two of us must be a wolf -- we both accuse the other, and neither claims the mask. So far, so good.

I also suggested that EF27 might be a convert (and hence a villager at the time of RA's implication, if I remember the timing of that post right), so that there would be one rather than two bad guys out of the other group. One wolf, that is, rather than two sorcerors.

[SnDvls]

Also, after the first conversion we have these posts:

#989 - VERY FIRST POST after Peregrine announced Book of the Damned was read, Mr W. claims to have viewed SnDvls and says he is a villager

#1026 - Mr. W attempts to gain Vince's trust and reassures him that SnDvls is a villager

#1041 and #1044 are quite funny - SnDvls votes for RA not knowing who the wolves that converted him are and then RA asks "Okay...no hard feelings, but a little reasoning? Just because I said a vote analysis wouldn't do much at this point?"

Looks like their plan backfired a bit at this point...

#1052 - Mr. W tells SnDvls he is in his circle of trust. Combine this info with what Mr. W said above, I'm sure SnDvls knows who converted him now.

This all leads me to last night when SnDvls leaked his info to Mr. W which I pointed out in post #1588.

Throughout the thread, I can not find any hard evidence to link Eagles to being a bad guy.


you are twisting a lot of info I put out there, but I guess we'll see at the end, but you are jumping up and down real hard to end this for the bad guys quickly.

[SnDvls]

This is NOT possible. The ledger says that only 1 bad guy voted for Schmidty. Sorry, try again.http://dynamic.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif


unless you are lying or you are the other bad guy so it would not say you in there.

[MrBug708]

Just curious Mr. W., but what is that one item?

[Coffee Warlord]

Just curious Mr. W., but what is that one item?

He should have the hammer. I passed it to him last night.

[Coffee Warlord]

...for no particular reason other than I felt it to be a pretty useless item this late in the game, i didn't want it, and I was tired of passing it to AE just to have it sent back. So I picked someone out of the blue.

[Poli]

I was enjoying the basketball game.

[Coffee Warlord]

It always came back smelling funny after you had it though. :)

[Mr. Wednesday]

Yeah, I've got the hammer. At this point, I can't see how it would be useful, though... anything interesting would be either destroyed already, or in the hands of the wolf/wolves and/or sorceror(s).

[Peregrine]

Vote tally so far:

eaglesfan27 - Mr. Wednesday, SnDvls
Mr. Wednesday - Eaglesfan27, ardent, kingfc22, Coffee Warlord

Not voting - MrBug708, Superman

[SnDvls]

unvote Eagles

vote King

[Mr. Wednesday]

Well, I'd like to try to derive something useful from my untimely demise (assuming, of course, that the villagers don't lose the game outright), but I'm not sure that I can if there are two sorcerors... after all, the whole thing comes down to whether you believe me (who has been occasionally quiet but never dishonest in a WW game) or EF27 (who tried to pull off a whopper in the Mafia game but got called on it by me and a couple of other people), even for the sorcerors (if you assume there are two sorcs, rather than two wolves). So I could say that the pile on me looks suspicious, but I don't believe that. EF27's vote is obvious (and will get him killed if the game is still going tomorrow), but the sorcs would be acting on the tossup the same as everyone else -- after all, they don't actually know who the wolf is, short of using a pendant or the amulet, any more than any other villager.

I can see a potential point to SnDvls vote, but even if I try to follow there (and I'm disinclined to because I think taking out a known wolf is more important), it doesn't look like there's going to be any help.

[SnDvls]

I can see a potential point to SnDvls vote, but even if I try to follow there (and I'm disinclined to because I think taking out a known wolf is more important), it doesn't look like there's going to be any help.


sorry man. I can't save you and I'm pretty sure you are good. If you are good at the lynch tonight, then we'll know who isn't right away. (EF, King, and CW)

[Mr. Wednesday]

king makes me suspicious, since he's picked up the torch from EF27 in beating the drum for my demise (picking up both reasonable material and some real stretches in doing it). CW and ardent could go either way... if it's two sorcs, rather than two wolves, then they could be sorcs who believe me, or villagers who believe EF27. Ardent's wager with me was not insubstantial... a year of Hattrick supporter runs around $20.

Since making his accusatory post, EF27 has been silent, despite browsing the thread a few times. I'm not sure it's fair to hold that against him, though... it's possible that kingfc22 has said it all for him.

[SnDvls]

bug- you gonna jump one way or the other? I see you lurking

[Superman=#54]

Vote tally so far:

eaglesfan27 - Mr. Wednesday, SnDvls
Mr. Wednesday - Eaglesfan27, ardent, kingfc22, Coffee Warlord

Not voting - MrBug708, Superman

Check post #1598 there is my vote Peregrine.

Just to clarify.

VOTE Mr. Wendsday

[MrBug708]

I gots 2 hours still...

[SnDvls]

if Mr. W ain't a wolf, we're screwed. All we've had were bandwagon votes

[Mr. Wednesday]

After re-reading the thread from page 1 (well, OK, I was just searching for posts by EF27), I am reasonably certain that:

* EF27 is telling the truth about having the amulet and who he viewed early in the game.

* EF27 was a villager at the start... I can't reconcile his strong support of lynching Digamma with being a wolf. Also, 1118 and 1120 (lost track of lynched wolves) and another one in that time frame (which I didn't record, thought wolves knew sorcs at the start) suggest this as well.

* EF27 was converted into a sorceror and then into a wolf, and there is one other wolf on the other side of the ledger. The score right now is 6 - 2, and will be 4 - 2 after I get lynched (failing a miraculous comeback). Get EF27, and it will be 3 - 1. We should win, but at a terrible cost.


I'd like to point you to post 1332, which I find particularly interesting -- EF27 is confident that both Vince and hoopsguy are villagers. Both are dead -- indeed, both were the next two WW kills..

[Mr. Wednesday]

Dola, I'm not sure if 1332 was while EF27 was a sorc or after he had gone all the way to a wolf.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Double dola, actually, at 3 - 1 the chances aren't great. If the three miss, then it goes to 2 - 1, then 1 - 1 after the night kill. You've still got a chance, don't screw it up.

[Eaglesfan27]

As far as being quiet, I was at work all day and while I might have been seen in this thread, I was unfortunately typing up reports. I did take peeks throughout the day as I hate doing evaluations for the State on OCS cases (Child Protection cases) but they are important work and quite frankly pay well. However, I have to type a lot and think carefully about what I type. Therefore, I took frequent mini-breaks to view stuff but couldn't put much thought into posting. I posted in a few threads where not much thought was needed, but didn't want to post hastily in this thread without thought.

However, now that I'm home and caught up with everything. I don't see that there is much more to say. I laid out the truth in my previous post.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Except for the bit about viewing me and me being the WW, not you, I believe you. :D

[Eaglesfan27]

After re-reading the thread from page 1 (well, OK, I was just searching for posts by EF27), I am reasonably certain that:

* EF27 is telling the truth about having the amulet and who he viewed early in the game.

* EF27 was a villager at the start... I can't reconcile his strong support of lynching Digamma with being a wolf. Also, 1118 and 1120 (lost track of lynched wolves) and another one in that time frame (which I didn't record, thought wolves knew sorcs at the start) suggest this as well.

* EF27 was converted into a sorceror and then into a wolf, and there is one other wolf on the other side of the ledger. The score right now is 6 - 2, and will be 4 - 2 after I get lynched (failing a miraculous comeback). Get EF27, and it will be 3 - 1. We should win, but at a terrible cost.


I'd like to point you to post 1332, which I find particularly interesting -- EF27 is confident that both Vince and hoopsguy are villagers. Both are dead -- indeed, both were the next two WW kills..

You last point about post 1332 is ridiculous. Everyone thought Vince and hoopsguy were villagers. Of course, the werewolves were going to kill them. They were loud, vocal leaders. That is part of why I tried to lay low at times. However, if I viewed a werewolf before last night I would have spoken up and passed the amulet.

[Peregrine]

40 minutes left:

eaglesfan27 - Mr. Wednesday
Mr. Wednesday - Eaglesfan27, ardent, kingfc22, Coffee Warlord, Superman
kingfc22 - SnDvls

Not voting - MrBug

[Mr. Wednesday]

Some thinking about the original wolf, since I'm presuming EF27 is a convert (this is all out the window if it's at 5 - 3 rather than 6 - 2 right now):

* kingfc22 drew a lot of attention to himself -- too much to be a wolf, I think. EF27 knows he's getting lynched tomorrow, so it would be foolhardy for the other wolf to draw attention to himself on the wrong side of things. The only way this works out is if it's a "hidden in plain view" play. I'll come back to this, though...

* MrBug did not vote yesterday and has not cast a vote today. If anything, I think that's a little too far under the radar.

* If EF27 is a convert and we're looking for the original wolf, then SnDvls is out -- he was a villager when I checked him with my first pendant.

* Superman=#54 voted for RA to break the tie with RealDeal, which gets him a lot of credit in my book.

* CW and ardent seem to be joined at the hip; they can't both be wolves, and both earned trust as villagers early on.

My problem now is that I've basically talked myself out of everyone else being another wolf; I have a hard time believing that EF27's early posts were made as a wolf, and it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me for kingfc22 to have drawn that much attention to himself. The only other one left is MrBug, but with the wolves coordinating, I wouldn't think he would have gone that long without casting votes if he were the other wolf.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Peregrine, SnDvls unvoted EF27 and voted kingfc22 in post 1624 uppage.

[Mr. Wednesday]

You'd think, with a vote this important, we'd have a few more people checking in towards the deadline. :(

[kingfc22]

I'm here, just not changing my mind. Obviously if you are not a wolf, then Eagles is dead tomorrow.

[MrBug708]

I'm going to go with....

vote - Kingfc

[MrBug708]

Sorry for missing the vote last night btw. I was going to be home, but I was feeling kinda low so I called up my friend and we went to the Angels game last night. K-Rod blew it big time. Ah well, she's the diehard Angel fan...since 2002

[Mr. Wednesday]

I've got a lot of reservations about doing this. I know EF27 is a wolf, and I don't think going after someone else is the right thing to do. But this is also looking like the only shot I have at avoiding a wrongful lynching, so...

Unvote EaglesFan27
Vote kingfc22

I'd much rather have you guys vote for EF27, but I'm willing to take a shot at surviving. I don't think king's attempts to nail me are wolf-ish, but don't see anything else that I can do.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Dola, unfortunately, now I can't promise you that it's a choice between a villager and a wolf. I'm afraid this may be a choice between two villagers.

[kingfc22]

Interesting, the 3 guys that I pegged to be bad guys all vote for me.

[MrBug708]

Of course, when I voted for you, it was after it looked pretty hopeless for Mr. W. If I was a wolf or even bad, I'd have just piled on to make sure.

[Superman=#54]

5 to 3 and Mr. W is still in the lead. Mr. W seems like the safe vote for now. I believe Eaglesfan and thats all there is to it.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Good going, guys... at the rate we're lynching villagers, the wolves should have it locked up tomorrow. :rolleyes:

[MrBug708]

So long Mr. W

[Mr. Wednesday]

As my final thought, I've left you every kind of analysis I can produce. Other than EF27, I'm not sure about the rest.

[MrBug708]

Watch, Mr. W. is a willager now...

[kingfc22]

Watch, Mr. W. is a willager now...
That would suck. However, Eagles would be the easy target tomorrow.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Sheesh, will Peregrine hurry up and vindicate me already?

[jeff061]

vindicate

Is this really your word of choice?? ;).

[Peregrine]

Final voting (unless I missed something, which seems likely)

Mr. Wednesday - Eaglesfan27, ardent, kingfc22, Coffee Warlord, Superman
kingfc22 - SnDvls, MrBug, Mr. Wednesday


Mr. Wednesday is led to the gallows calmly, he seems to have accepted his fate. He is lynched, and is revealed as an innocent villager.

Mr. Wednesday had the Hammer of the Blacksmith which is now lost.

Night 8 - 7 of you remain

kingfc22
sundvls
Coffee Warlord
eaglesfan27
MrBug708
Superman=#54
ardent enthusiast

Mr. Wednesday - lynched Day 8 - villager
hoopsguy - eaten Night 7 - villager
Lathum - Lynched Day 2 - villager
blade6119 - Lynched Day 4 - villager
Henry296 - killed Night 4 - villager
BrianD - killed Night 3 - villager
digamma - Lynched Day 3 - werewolf
fouts - Poisoned and died Night 3 - villager
schmidty - Lynched Day 7 - villager
dubb93 - killed Night 2 - villager
vince - killed Night 6 - villager
Qwikshot - Lynched Day 1 - Sorceror
RealDeal - Killed Night 5 - villager
Jeff061 - Killed Night 1 - Sorceror
Raiders Army - Lynched Day 6 - werewolf

Night actions in by midnight as usual

[SnDvls]

well that makes tomorrow easy

[Mr. Wednesday]

Good luck, guys.

[SnDvls]

sorry I couldn't help save you Mr.W but it seems the wolves have everyone convinced they are good.

[MrBug708]

I sitll dont understand why people think I'm bad? I just defended another villager. I nailed Digamma as a wolf back early on with the ring of wisdom which showed I wasnt a wolf or sorcerer back then.

Then again, I'm probably about the closest thing to a sure villager and will probably be killed tonight.

[SnDvls]

Then again, I'm probably about the closest thing to a sure villager and will probably be killed tonight.


I believe you, but if I'm not the surest thing and kill tonight I don't know who is. I'm a villager and have been from day 1 and Mr.W just reconfirmed it again.

Eagles must go down. He is the ring leader and head wolf. Can't any of you see that he has you all fooled. Everyone he votes for or calls out is lynched or killed...well no more.

DOWN WITH EAGLES!!! DOWN WITH THE WOLVES!!!!

[kingfc22]

Well crap.

Vote Eaglesfan27

[Superman=#54]

This seems to easy.

Vote Eaglesfan27

[Poli]

Vote Eaglesfan27

[SnDvls]

vote eaglesfan

[Eaglesfan27]

Sheesh. Everyone is ready to lynch me?

I think we have to wait until after the night actions to vote.

[hoopsguy]

Sheesh, will Peregrine hurry up and vindicate me already?


Vote Blade6199

[MrBug708]

Let's wait til after the night actions...

[Mr. Wednesday]

Vote Blade6199Don't worry, I didn't take any of it personally. :)

[hoopsguy]

For what it is worth, I thought RealDeal got jobbed in the next game (Mafia WW). Not at all unexpected, but I hope it doesn't follow him to every WW game going forward. I didn't agree with the way he played it here, but I would like to think that he would not repeat that next time around.

[Schmidty]

For what it is worth, I thought RealDeal got jobbed in the next game (Mafia WW). Not at all unexpected, but I hope it doesn't follow him to every WW game going forward. I didn't agree with the way he played it here, but I would like to think that he would not repeat that next time around.

I agree, but a point needed to be made.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I thought it was a poor play in XI and voted accordingly (thought not, as today showed, any more wisely). While his reaction was a little over the top, I don't think it's a coincidence that Blade seems to draw controversy in every single one of these games -- and I think RealDeal caught a disproportionate amount of the blame because of that.

[Coffee Warlord]

Saw a helluva local band tonight, I might note for you Chicago folks. Details will be forthcoming in another thread tomorrow.

And apparently my ability to judge character sucks huge donkey balls. MrW, I apologize. But, your death leads us to Senor Wolf.

Vote Eagles

[Peregrine]

Seems like the longer this game goes on, the less talking there is.

The night passes quickly, and again your numbers dwindle. In the morning the mangled body of SnDvls is found. He was an innocent villager

The Potion of Healing was removed from the game.


Day 9 - 6 of you remain

kingfc22
Coffee Warlord
eaglesfan27
MrBug708
Superman=#54
ardent enthusiast

sundvls - Eaten Night 8 - villager
Mr. Wednesday - lynched Day 8 - villager
hoopsguy - eaten Night 7 - villager
Lathum - Lynched Day 2 - villager
blade6119 - Lynched Day 4 - villager
Henry296 - killed Night 4 - villager
BrianD - killed Night 3 - villager
digamma - Lynched Day 3 - werewolf
fouts - Poisoned and died Night 3 - villager
schmidty - Lynched Day 7 - villager
dubb93 - killed Night 2 - villager
vince - killed Night 6 - villager
Qwikshot - Lynched Day 1 - Sorceror
RealDeal - Killed Night 5 - villager
Jeff061 - Killed Night 1 - Sorceror
Raiders Army - Lynched Day 6 - werewolf

Lynch votes due by 8 pm. However, if you unanimously want to have night fall quicker, we can speed it up since there are so few of us and today's vote may be preordained.

[Peregrine]

MrBug, your mailbox is full, clear it out and I'll send you your nightly update.

[RealDeal]

I blew my top because I felt like from WWIX, WWX, and now WWXI that Blade isn't playing it straight. After having added another notch to his belt for Bek, I feel like he's trying to set the alltime record for most villagers killed by another villager. Looking back, I probably overreacted, but I just have a hard time believing that many honest mistakes. It probably was honest mistakes, and I'll pretend this episode never happened in future games.

The past is the past, and I should have been cooler about it. But at least now that people can look at my record, it's clear that I was always trying to play it straight, even if I might have blown my top a bit when I thought another guy wasn't.

I would have been much happier to have found at that Blade was a wolf in this game or WWXI. Then it just would have been skillful play.

[Blade6119]

I blew my top because I felt like from WWIX, WWX, and now WWXI that Blade isn't playing it straight. After having added another notch to his belt for Bek, I feel like he's trying to set the alltime record for most villagers killed by another villager. Looking back, I probably overreacted, but I just have a hard time believing that many honest mistakes. It probably was honest mistakes, and I'll pretend this episode never happened in future games.

The past is the past, and I should have been cooler about it. But at least now that people can look at my record, it's clear that I was always trying to play it straight, even if I might have blown my top a bit when I thought another guy wasn't.

I would have been much happier to have found at that Blade was a wolf in this game or WWXI. Then it just would have been skillful play.

Umm...WWXI we got vamps on the first two days...where did i get villagers there? Where did i get villager killed in WWIX...if im not mistaken you got me killed, not the other way around...in WWX i admit as the duke i killed dubb on the first day(im sorry im not crazy lucky to hit a vamp on day one like illini did) and broke a tie late in the game that killed GWB...so out of all those, i see GWB as a kill and maybe dubb(although dubb was random day one after i was voted to be lynched)...bek was a mistake i made...i posted the PM that got him killed...so i have two innocents on my hands after a random day one duke kill...are you going to sit here and tell me you havent voted for two innocents? Thats right, so shut the hell up...

As to the new game, i cant comment since its still going on(and technically, schmidty started the voting for you so you cant even say that) but how dare you again attack me...Saying my play isnt skillful is pathetic in my mind...you have won zero games by my count, where i have won two...and im still in a third...your upset, but stop attacking me..im not attacking you, and i didnt start the vote against you in the new game...outplay me and ill give you credit, but all i see is you got me killed, bitched about it excessively, then got yourself killed in the new game...sorry, but thats far from skillful play yourself...Im not holding grudges as long as you stop attacking me, but god you need to stop now...its really sad

[MrBug708]

PM box is cleared out.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I think we need to take the meta discussion into another thread, or save it until after the game is done.

[kingfc22]

Well damn. That leaves us with:

1 out of Eagles, Superman and AE is bad.

1 and possibly 2 out of CW, MrBug and myself are bad.

I can now officially vote:

Vote Eaglesfan27

[RealDeal]

I take you for your word then. Basically the pattern I saw was this game (the reasons you fixated on me were very unusual), the one we won quickly (X or XI- where you acted like you couldn't figure out how Illini was the Duke), and XII (where you took a buddy's PM to you and got the guy lynched- why the PM was useful evidence of him being mafia just didn't make any sense to me- then basically revealed your role really early).

Maybe I was just connecting dots that weren't really connectable, but that's where I was coming from.



Umm...WWXI we got vamps on the first two days...where did i get villagers there? Where did i get villager killed in WWIX...if im not mistaken you got me killed, not the other way around (1) ...in WWX i admit as the duke i killed dubb on the first day(im sorry im not crazy lucky to hit a vamp on day one like illini did) and broke a tie late in the game that killed GWB...so out of all those, i see GWB as a kill and maybe dubb(although dubb was random day one after i was voted to be lynched)...bek was a mistake i made...i posted the PM that got him killed...so i have two innocents on my hands after a random day one duke kill...are you going to sit here and tell me you havent voted for two innocents? Thats right, so shut the hell up...

As to the new game, i cant comment since its still going on(and technically, schmidty started the voting for you so you cant even say that) but how dare you again attack me...Saying my play isnt skillful is pathetic in my mind...you have won zero games by my count, where i have won two...and im still in a third...your upset, but stop attacking me..im not attacking you, and i didnt start the vote against you in the new game...outplay me and ill give you credit, but all i see is you got me killed, bitched about it excessively, then got yourself killed in the new game...sorry, but thats far from skillful play yourself...Im not holding grudges as long as you stop attacking me, but god you need to stop now...its really sad

[Peregrine]

Blade, RealDeal, take it somewhere else please.

[Blade6119]

I take you for your word then. Basically the pattern I saw was this game (the reasons you fixated on me were very unusual), the one we won quickly (X or XI- where you acted like you couldn't figure out how Illini was the Duke), and XII (where you took a buddy's PM to you and got the guy lynched- why the PM was useful evidence of him being mafia just didn't make any sense to me- then basically revealed your role really early).

Maybe I was just connecting dots that weren't really connectable, but that's where I was coming from.

I certainly understand where your coming from now...i honestly was lost as to illini's hints...but again, i never saw the crazy in front of duke when i read the rules...i thought illini(a guy i have played games outside the board with) was just being his crazy self...in this one i was suspicious of you, but didnt vote for you when there was any evidence on the table...i only voted for you on a day with nothing better to go on...sorry if there was something better i missed, and sorry if you felt i was unfair in any way. In XII, i prob. shouldnt have posted the PM, but after he had told me multiple times he was mafia outside the board he finally gave me concrete evidence and i ran with it. My fault on that one, i openly admit that...Think we can be cordial again realdeal?

[Blade6119]

Blade, RealDeal, take it somewhere else please.

Im done, and i think the dispute is too..sorry to clog the thread peregrine, and i hope the remaining villagers win this badboy! :)

[MrBug708]

Eaglesfan seems like a goner but Kingfc seems convinced that Im bad...

vote - Kingfc

[MrBug708]

I might add that I've shown myself to be a villager from the get go

[kingfc22]

MrBug - I am a villager. I used the ledger the previous night and I am simply stating how the two groups are laid out in terms of how many bad guys are in them. The first group I know for sure because they were in the Schmidty vote. The second group, I'm not sure if it is 1 or 2.

I am good, I'm fairly certain CW is good. That means you = bad.

I'm a great secondary choice now behind Eagles since I helped kill off Mr. W and implied SnDvls of being a convert. However, if I was a bad guy and I knew Eagles was making a play. I would not stick my neck out as well giving the villagers two easy targets to kill.

I'd play it like you are. Waiting until the very end to cast a vote that aligns with a few villagers. And then kill off those individuals to impicate someone else.

[kingfc22]

Villagers we know what to do. If Eagles is the last wolf, we win and there are two sorcerers. If he is lynched and the game goes on then we know we have 1 wolf left and no sorcerers.

If this is the case then the last wolf is either CW, MrBug or myself.

[Poli]

Vote Eaglesfan27


I'm all for moving the game forward. I am not changing my vote.

[Eaglesfan27]

If things are sped up, and I don't get to reply before that sped up lynch time, I'd like to make a request. I want one last meal please. I believe it is required before lynching, under the fair treatment of prisoners act or some such statute. Also, please use a noose with a soft feel to it. I chaff easily.

[SnDvls]

well good luck all....go villagers!!!!

[Raiders Army]

It's quiet...too qui---er, oh yeah. I'm dead.

[digamma]

Raiders,

How are things for you in Werwolf heaven?

I've got a line of 20 or 30 virgins waiting for me and all the beer I can drink

[RealDeal]

yes. let's pretend this whole thing didn't happen.

I certainly understand where your coming from now...i honestly was lost as to illini's hints...but again, i never saw the crazy in front of duke when i read the rules...i thought illini(a guy i have played games outside the board with) was just being his crazy self...in this one i was suspicious of you, but didnt vote for you when there was any evidence on the table...i only voted for you on a day with nothing better to go on...sorry if there was something better i missed, and sorry if you felt i was unfair in any way. In XII, i prob. shouldnt have posted the PM, but after he had told me multiple times he was mafia outside the board he finally gave me concrete evidence and i ran with it. My fault on that one, i openly admit that...Think we can be cordial again realdeal?

[Raiders Army]

Raiders,

How are things for you in Werwolf heaven?

I've got a line of 20 or 30 virgins waiting for me and all the beer I can drink
Things are great in Werewolf hell. Unlike you pussies in heaven, we have 50-60 sluts waiting for me, all the beer I can drink, and I get to torture the ones who have been killed by our werewolf brothers! Come join me!

[Peregrine]

If I count votes last night before the night actions, which are technically invalid, I have:


eaglesfan27 - king, superman, ardent, CW
Kingfc22 - MrBug

Not voting - Eaglesfan

[Poli]

Oh, just validate them already. :)

[Coffee Warlord]

Well here. :)

Vote EaglesFan.

[Eaglesfan27]

Seeing as how everyone is determined to lynch me, I'm abstaining from this vote at this time.

However, I'd still like my one last meal and a soft noose please.

[Peregrine]

I'll go ahead and call the voting now, hopefully we can get another round in before the night's over.

Eaglesfan is led to the lynching place, with a special soft noose prepared, though no special meal unless you count boiled mutton. Unfortunately since he has the Coat of Arms, it is activated and there is no lynch today!




Night 9 - 6 of you remain

kingfc22
Coffee Warlord
eaglesfan27
MrBug708
Superman=#54
ardent enthusiast

sundvls - Eaten Night 8 - villager
Mr. Wednesday - lynched Day 8 - villager
hoopsguy - eaten Night 7 - villager
Lathum - Lynched Day 2 - villager
blade6119 - Lynched Day 4 - villager
Henry296 - killed Night 4 - villager
BrianD - killed Night 3 - villager
digamma - Lynched Day 3 - werewolf
fouts - Poisoned and died Night 3 - villager
schmidty - Lynched Day 7 - villager
dubb93 - killed Night 2 - villager
vince - killed Night 6 - villager
Qwikshot - Lynched Day 1 - Sorceror
RealDeal - Killed Night 5 - villager
Jeff061 - Killed Night 1 - Sorceror
Raiders Army - Lynched Day 6 - werewolf

Get night actions in as fast as you can and I'll try to turn this around with another day vote by midnight.

[Poli]

Vote Eaglesfan :)

[Mr. Wednesday]

Doh!

[Poli]

I'd like to take this opportunity to say that if you guys had sent me your silver I could have bought a kickass item by now and used it.

[Eaglesfan27]

It looks like I will get a last meal after all! :)

[Coffee Warlord]

You get a spiked noose this time.

[Poli]

It looks like I will get a last meal after all! :)But it won't be me. :)

[Eaglesfan27]

Hmmm, what should I eat?

Kingfc steak lightly broiled?

Coffee (warlord) with a hearty rack of lamb?

Spaghetti and Bugballs?

Green Lasagna with Superman as the secret ingredient?

Or an Ardent Roast?

Hmmm, all sound so delicious.

[Poli]

Come get me, ya bastad. I got a dagger with your name on it.

[Raiders Army]

Muahahahaha! Send one of them to hell!!!! I'll be waiting!

[Superman=#54]

Oooh! Oooh!

Eat me.

[Fouts]

Well played Eagles.

[Coffee Warlord]

Oooh! Oooh!

Eat me.

You've been waiting all game to say that, haven't you. :)

[Superman=#54]

You've been waiting all game to say that, haven't you. :)

:p

[kingfc22]

Vote Eagles

[Lathum]

Eat me Eagles

i've been waiting about 10 games to say that.

[Eaglesfan27]

Ouch :)

I do think I'll have to sit out at least a few games after this one.

[jeff061]

Yeah I told my self the same thing on river's edge. About three days later I discovered that Peregrine had unleashed a new gaming addiction on me ;).

[Peregrine]

Well obviously we didn't get anything done quickly tonight. Maybe we can get lucky tomorrow but I don't know.

Tonight you sleep well for once. No one is killed and the 6 of you all wake up safe and sound.

Day 10 - 6 of you remain

kingfc22
Coffee Warlord
eaglesfan27
MrBug708
Superman=#54
ardent enthusiast

sundvls - Eaten Night 8 - villager
Mr. Wednesday - lynched Day 8 - villager
hoopsguy - eaten Night 7 - villager
Lathum - Lynched Day 2 - villager
blade6119 - Lynched Day 4 - villager
Henry296 - killed Night 4 - villager
BrianD - killed Night 3 - villager
digamma - Lynched Day 3 - werewolf
fouts - Poisoned and died Night 3 - villager
schmidty - Lynched Day 7 - villager
dubb93 - killed Night 2 - villager
vince - killed Night 6 - villager
Qwikshot - Lynched Day 1 - Sorceror
RealDeal - Killed Night 5 - villager
Jeff061 - Killed Night 1 - Sorceror
Raiders Army - Lynched Day 6 - werewolf


I'd like to get two turns in today, let's try to get the first lynch votes in and sealed by 2 or 3, then we can try to get another vote in by the end of the day.

[Eaglesfan27]

I vote kingfc22.

[MrBug708]

MY vote still stands for Kingfc

[kingfc22]

Ok it still stands at

1/3 - Eagles, AE, Superman (obviously Eagles is the wolf)

1/3 - CW, MrBug, Myself


MrBug - I AM a villager. Do not vote for me. The night Mr. W was killed I used the guise and I received the Amulet of Seeing. I used it tonight to view you because I thought you were the other wolf. You are a villager, which makes CW the other wolf.

I passed the guise to AE who can verify that. I don't understand why you are voting for me because if you are wrong the wolves will win.

Vote Eagles


Then my 2nd vote would be for Coffee Warlord. Game. Set. Match.

[kingfc22]

Of course if you have a mask, then that is a different story.

[Poli]

Looks like you didn't get to eat, you female dog. ;)

[Poli]

I was passed the guise.

VOTE Eaglesfan

[Coffee Warlord]

MrBug - I AM a villager. Do not vote for me. The night Mr. W was killed I used the guise and I received the Amulet of Seeing. I used it tonight to view you because I thought you were the other wolf. You are a villager, which makes CW the other wolf.

Go directly to wrong. Do not pass go. Do not collect 200 dollars. To be discussed later today, as I just got into the office.

[Peregrine]

I guess I should ask this: is anyone going to change their vote from yesterday? If not then once I get back from lunch we'll proceed to Lynch #1.

[MrBug708]

You're a dead man if not Kingfc

unvote - Kingfc
vote - Eaglesfan

[Poli]

Not changing.

[Coffee Warlord]

Vote Eaglesfan

[Superman=#54]

Vote Eaglesfan

I was attacked last night, but I had the holy water. Lucky for me!

[Poli]

Let's roll. :)

[Peregrine]

Well the votes stay mostly the same, on Eaglesfan. He isn't trying to hide his guilt, it seems, and when he is strung up, he is obviously a werewolf!

Eaglesfan possessed the Notebook of the Detective, which is now lost.


Night 10 - 5 of you remain

kingfc22
Coffee Warlord
MrBug708
Superman=#54
ardent enthusiast

eaglesfan27 - Lynched Day 10 - werewolf
sundvls - Eaten Night 8 - villager
Mr. Wednesday - lynched Day 8 - villager
hoopsguy - eaten Night 7 - villager
Lathum - Lynched Day 2 - villager
blade6119 - Lynched Day 4 - villager
Henry296 - killed Night 4 - villager
BrianD - killed Night 3 - villager
digamma - Lynched Day 3 - werewolf
fouts - Poisoned and died Night 3 - villager
schmidty - Lynched Day 7 - villager
dubb93 - killed Night 2 - villager
vince - killed Night 6 - villager
Qwikshot - Lynched Day 1 - Sorceror
RealDeal - Killed Night 5 - villager
Jeff061 - Killed Night 1 - Sorceror
Raiders Army - Lynched Day 6 - werewolf

Get your night actions in ASAP and we'll try to finish this today, one way or another.

[digamma]

Welcome to the ranks of the Werewolf departed EF!

We're having a damn good time.

[Eaglesfan27]

Welcome to the ranks of the Werewolf departed EF!

We're having a damn good time.
Thanks!

Least I had plenty of good meals before I went. Now it's time to party. :D

[kingfc22]

I figured the wolf would attack Superman last night. It only makes sense to take out one of villagers that was in the same group as Eagles.

The wolf will not attack AE because he has the dagger leaving a choice between Superman, CW, MrBug and myself.

Superman will probably die tonight to keep the suspicion on the second group.

I am going to use the amulet again because Bug can only use a mask once and your vote for me today rather than going straight for Eagles smells like a wolf. If I am killed it will only prove that I was a villager and everything I said about what items I held was true.

[Poli]

Hmm. Game is not over, eh?

[kingfc22]

AE or Superman - Do you have any thoughts on who the last wolf is?

I feel like I'm the only one posting ideas right now.

[Poli]

I'm guessing MrBug myself.

[Poli]

VOTE MrBug :)

[Coffee Warlord]

Well, despite king calling me a wolf, I still believe he's a villager. Screwed up with MrW (course, so did I), but I think he means well. As far as I go, either you think I've been telling the truth all this time or you don't. I've been nothing but honest and straightforward, and hope that counts in the remaining villager's books.

We're running out of chances here, so we need to end this like...now. If king is innocent, it's gotta be the Bug.

[Poli]

Part of me wonders if we're being duped by king. Such as:

King and Eagles are wolves.

Set up of Mr. W, now Eagles is an obvious choice. Eagles is sacrificed, leaving us trusting king.

[Poli]

Either we trust king or not...I'm trusting him.

[MrBug708]

Excuse me?!?

Name ONE piece of evidence that points it at me? I voted Digamma when I had the RoW. I told you Mr. W. wasn't a Wolf yet everyone thought he was and wanted him lynched. I didn't vote for Eaglesfan the first time around because I didn't see the need for it. I only suspect Kingfc because he seems so sure to want to lynch me despite all of the evidence I have posted

[kingfc22]

AE - I am a villager, but I'm still not 100% positive on who the wolf is. Like I said, I used the Amulet last night to view Bug and it said he was a villager.

1) That is true and CW is the wolf

or

2) He used a mask and he is the wolf

The only reason I lean towards #2 is that he voted for me rather than Eagles today. Why would a villager not vote off a known wolf?

[MrBug708]

I already told ya, I voted for you because even with the proof I showed ya, you still thought I was a wolf. Go ahead and vote for me. The villagers will probably lose then. But that is your business

[kingfc22]

We need to look back at posts that occured after day 7, when the Book of the Damned was read for a second time making CW or Bug a wolf.


I will be especially looking at who Eagles accuses and defends to see if I can find any clues there.

[kingfc22]

That would be post #1365 and later.

[MrBug708]

That would be post #1365 and later.

Who do u think passed Eaglesfans the book of the detective? It's pretty much useless now or a coat of arms. I figured it would be better to pass the book instead of the CoA to Eaglesfan. Now if I wanted to save Eaglesfan for another day because I'm also a wolf, wouldn't I have passed him the Coat and given him one more night to live?

If you STILL think I'm a wolf, then go ahead and vote me, but it obviously shows you have no idea what's going on man. I think you're brain is fried like Barry Bond's collapsed vein....

[kingfc22]

Post 1389 to 1391 - AE and CW have a little exchange about the hammer...AE still trusts CW to be good

Post 1453 - Eagles list of "suspects" is in this order:

SnDvls - dead villager
MrBug - ????
Mr. W - dead villager
Superman - villager
King - villager
CW - ???
Hoops - dead villager
AE - villager

Post 1468 and 1470 - Hoops conversation with CW

Post 1482 - Hoops lays out reasons CW might be a wolf

Post 1498 - CW posts his rebuttal

Hoops dies that night

Post 1601 - CW posts reasons why he does not believe Eagles is an original wolf

Post 1619 - CW has broken cycle of passing hammer with AE

Post 1661 - MrBug defends himself as being a villager (evidence he uses is prior to nght 7)

Post 1679 - MrBug's PM box is full???? Just noticed this!!!!