Biggest Trade in NBA history

[TazFTW]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2122976

Miami gets Antoine Walker from Boston; Jason Williams, James Posey, Andre Emmett, and the draft rights to Roberto Duenas from Memphis.

Memphis gets Eddie Jones from Miami and Raul Lopez (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3538) from the Jazz.

Utah gets Greg Ostertag from Memphis.

Boston gets Curtis Borchardt (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3616) from Utah; Qyntel Woods (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3619), the draft rights to Albert Miralles, two second round draft picks and cash from Miami.

New Orleans receives Rasual Butler (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3650) from Miami and Kirk Snyder from Utah

[Celeval]

I keep re-reading this, expecting Billy Beane to be involved somehow.

[JeeberD]

Andre Emmett!

God how I hate Red Raiders...

[CHEMICAL SOLDIER]

Pretty big names on that list.

[stevew]

Most of the time its much easier to lump a bunch of transactions together in the NBA for cap reasons. It is rather odd, tho, that they decided to do all 4 or 5 of these side deals together, tho i suppose it made the most sense that way. Clear winner has to be Miami, they trade Jones and get back 2 or 3 starters.

[Buzzbee]

I don't think even a Flere diagram will help me with this.

[MrBug708]

I wonder what Eddie Jones ever did to Shaq...

[JeeberD]

Pretty big names on that list.


http://www.benelou.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif

[RGunner]

did Utah really only get Greg Ostertag back? You'd think they would have had enough of him after one stint? Granted they didnt give up any huge names, but any small names are better than Ostertag. Good deal for Miami though, although Walker might not fit in very well with Shaq and D-Wade seeing as he takes 150 shots a game and makes 12

[Neon_Chaos]

Basically, the Heat got Antoine Walker AND Jason Williams in exchange for Eddie Jones and Cash. Not a bad deal.

I shudder to think what Jason Williams is capable of doing with Shaquille O'neal, Dwyane Wade and Antione Walker in the same line-up. We all saw how skilled he was in passing the ball with Chris Webber in Sacto. Will we see some attitude change from the fiesty guard?

[JeeberD]

Ipredict that Shaq punches out Antione within a month of the regular season starting. Shaq ain't gonna stand for a big fella jacking up threes all game long...

[MrBug708]

White Chocolate, D-Wade, Walker, AND Shaq?

Shaq was complaining that he didnt get the ball enough last year, think this is going to make it better?

[Galaxy]

On top of this, Shaq just got a new $100 million deal.

[stevew]

On top of this, Shaq just got a new $100 million deal.
Shaq tore up a 30 million dollar deal for this year, and took less money to help his team out. Something that Kobe would never, ever do. Gotta give him props there. Bug.

[GoldenEagle]

Memphis unloads the salary of Jason Williams and the problems that came along with him. The team is a total revamp. Personally, I would rather see us get rid of Pau Gasol but the NBA experts say he is the only one on the team with superstar creed.

I know we are also moving Bonzi Wells and getting Bobby Jackson in return. That may have already been done. I hope we do get the deal done with Damon Stoudmire. A back court of Stoudmire and Jones is nothing to scoff at.

[MrBug708]

He got a 70 million dollar raise. How is that taking less money? He gave up 10 million this year but will be making 20 million when he's 38. Of course, SHaq has never been lazy and will work hard...;)

[JeeberD]

Personally, I would rather see us get rid of Pau Gasol but the NBA experts say he is the only one on the team with superstar creed.


I wish we could have got Gasol instead of Swift...Pau tears us a new one every time we play the Grizz...

[BigJohn&TheLions]

So there was an NBA trade and Isiah didn't pick up a guard?

[stevew]

So there was an NBA trade and Isiah didn't pick up a guard?
If they ever have a 6'5" swingman, and 6'8" post player league, the Knicks will win easily.

[hoopsguy]

I'm not sure that O'Neal will hate Walker - they are looking for guys who can shoot the ball on the perimeter to keep the double-teams from coming as quickly. Shot selection will be an issue, but I have to believe that the guys coming in will recognize that there is a pecking order. O'Neal and Wade are going to get the lions share of the shots.

There certainly have been cases where gunners have joined talented teams and been willing to subvert their game - Dantley and Aguirre on the old Piston teams are two guys that come to mind. Plus Walker can really pass the ball when he has a mind to do so. Williams and Walker both are upgrades in moving the ball on offense (assuming some respect for the coach and teammates), although downgrades on the defensive end. Miami should be a really interesting team to watch next year.

[Anthony]

i take solace in the fact that the bottomless pit known as "the Knicks' salary cap hell" did not get any deeper in this trade.

Isaiah just can't wait to throw tons of money around 2nd tier players. Jamal Crawford, Jerome James, uggggh.

i could run that team. i don't know how they think they can charge all that money just to see Stephon Marbury and a bunch of non-interesting players.

[BigJohn&TheLions]

Man... I loved AD!

[jbmagic]

so Wade playing shooting guard and Jason Williams will be the point guard?

[Anthony]

yup. Wade is a natural shooting guard, he's just small. he got converted over to PG when he went pro.

[BigJohn&TheLions]

Small? Wade is 6-4. That's not huge for a two, but it's not like he's 6 ft.

[Neon_Chaos]

Alright. Hypothetical scenario.

Starting 5: Shaq, Haslem, Walker, Wade, Williams.

Williams and Walker will definitely spread the floor out, and allow Wade to slash and Shaq to post up. Williams is going to have a field day throwing no-looks, alley-oops, kick-outs and bounce passes. :D

[Anthony]

Small? Wade is 6-4. That's not huge for a two, but it's not like he's 6 ft.

he's *listed* at 6'4". :)

Charles Barkely was listed as 6'6" i believe, and his actual height is 6'4".

6'5" is the prototypical height for a SG.

edit: yup, i was right:
Sir Charles (http://www.nba.com/history/players/barkley_summary.html)

[jbmagic]

wow Utah got rip off in this 5 teams trade.

[daedalus]

I think matching Walker up with O'Neil is a great move. As hoopsguy mentioned, he's a solid passer when he's of the mind to do so and when he seems to feel confident enough in his teammates to. I would expect that to happen this year. Of course, if they actually try to start him at 3 as mentioned in the article, I expect him to make Elvis Patterson envious with the amount of time he's burnt.

Getting Jason Williams, on the other hand, is a waste of salary cap space, in my opinion. He's undoubtedly talented but he's never exhibited any type of control (admittedly, I have not watch much NBA action in recent years) or inclination to play WITH teammates. Sounds a lot too much like another teammate O'Neil did not enjoy playing with so much. With much less talent.

I think Posey, if he gets a chance at the 3 slot, can have a very nice year. Based on what I've read and the limited time I've seen him, he's a nice "garbage" player. Doesn't seem to need to be the focus of the offense. Kind of like a Ced Ceballos . . . who actually has a clue on defense. That's not an altogether bad combination.

I don't understand the appeal of this trade/set of trades for Utah. The ONLY thing I can think of that would maybe be appealing would be if Ostertag has a HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE (and I mean, like, John "Hot Plate" Williams-kinda huge . . . like, having its own gravitational pull-kinda huge . . . like, well, you get the idea . . .) contract that's due to expire this year.

I feel sorry for Eddie Jones, though. Dude really deserves to be on a contending team after putting up quietly and solidly for mediocre teams for so long.

[stevew]

Utah basically traded away their previous 3 drafts for Ostertag. His contract is expiring, they hope he can play solid minutes clogging the lane next to Boozer, who is a human turnstyle.

I think Lopez is going back to spain, as well. Poor kid, comes to the NBA, basically uses his whole entire 4 year NBA contract to buy out of his european deal. And then he tears out his knee before his rookie year, and ruins much of a chance of making any kind of league impact.

Imagine if the Jazz draft Tony Parker instead of Lopez with that pick......

[daedalus]

Alright. Hypothetical scenario.

Starting 5: Shaq, Haslem, Walker, Wade, Williams.

Williams and Walker will definitely spread the floor out, and allow Wade to slash and Shaq to post up. Williams is going to have a field day throwing no-looks, alley-oops, kick-outs and bounce passes. :DWhile I agree that Walker will, I'm having a tough time seeing Williams doing so. In the limited time I did see him this past season, I did not see any development that would lead me to consider him a remotely dangerous threat from outside consistently. That leaves Walker as the one dangerous deep threat and his shot selection helps to negate that somewhat.

Personally, I would just go drag Steve Kerr out of whatever resemblance of retirement he may have been or may be considering and toss him in there as a 6th or 7th man. With zones being allowed now, his liability on defense is even more limited. And he won't be pouting when Wade has the ball more than he does.

[stevew]

Miami should have kept Damon Jones, instead of doing this move. Jones was a pretty consistant outside threat, Walker is horridly inefficient. Nice passer tho.

I suppose the Heat can still resign Damon Jones, tho it may not be easy. And his role and PT seem to be gone.

[Samdari]

Did New Orleans give up anything?

Or did they just confuse everyone and get two free players?

[Blackadar]

Of course, the real *gem* for the Celtics is a $5.6m trade exemption.

[KWhit]

Pretty big names on that list.
Shows how far removed I am from the NBA. I only recognize 2 of those names:

Antoine Walker - played for the Hawks for about a season, I think (and I'm familiar with his time at Boston).

Jason Williams - Is he the guy who shot the limo driver?

[Pacersfan46]

Did New Orleans give up anything?

Or did they just confuse everyone and get two free players?


They probably needed a team under the cap to match everyone's salary. So they got players for nothing, because they were one of the few teams with the cap space to eat any contracts.

[Subby]

Jason Williams - Is he the guy who shot the limo driver? He's the guy that went to high school with Randy Moss.

[rkmsuf]

good luck to the Heat getting that bunch on the same page

if Walker takes 20 shots a game on that team they'll end up finding his body washed ashore on south beach.

[Samdari]

They probably needed a team under the cap to match everyone's salary. So they got players for nothing, because they were one of the few teams with the cap space to eat any contracts.

But, the two guys they got have small contracts by NBA standards.

And NBA trade rules require trades to be within 30% of each other in salary. You cannot trade guys for nothing. Can you?

[Pacersfan46]

But, the two guys they got have small contracts by NBA standards.

And NBA trade rules require trades to be within 30% of each other in salary. You cannot trade guys for nothing. Can you?

In playing an online basketball sim league that follows NBA salary rules, I know how often those little contracts can make the difference between a trade that works, and one that doesnt.

About trading for nothing, I think you can if more than two teams are involved. Not sure.

Also, they may have given up one (or both) of the 2nd round picks that Boston got. That's what I'd bet.

[Chas in Cinti]

Andre Emmett!

God how I hate Red Raiders...


GUNS UP!!!

[Gary Gorski]

But, the two guys they got have small contracts by NBA standards.

And NBA trade rules require trades to be within 30% of each other in salary. You cannot trade guys for nothing. Can you?

If the team receiving the larger portion of the salary is under the cap then the salaries do not have to fit in the % range so if a team has the cap room they can take on salary up to the room they have under the cap without having to return any salary.

[Pacersfan46]

If the team receiving the larger portion of the salary is under the cap then the salaries do not have to fit in the % range so if a team has the cap room they can take on salary up to the room they have under the cap without having to return any salary.

That's why I mentioned them being under the cap .... I thought it was clear ... maybe I understand the rules, and because of it just thought that "under the cap" would imply that to anyone else .....

Ah well.


:D

[Eaglesfan27]

I think matching Walker up with O'Neil is a great move. As hoopsguy mentioned, he's a solid passer when he's of the mind to do so and when he seems to feel confident enough in his teammates to. I would expect that to happen this year. Of course, if they actually try to start him at 3 as mentioned in the article, I expect him to make Elvis Patterson envious with the amount of time he's burnt.

Getting Jason Williams, on the other hand, is a waste of salary cap space, in my opinion. He's undoubtedly talented but he's never exhibited any type of control (admittedly, I have not watch much NBA action in recent years) or inclination to play WITH teammates. Sounds a lot too much like another teammate O'Neil did not enjoy playing with so much. With much less talent.

I think Posey, if he gets a chance at the 3 slot, can have a very nice year. Based on what I've read and the limited time I've seen him, he's a nice "garbage" player. Doesn't seem to need to be the focus of the offense. Kind of like a Ced Ceballos . . . who actually has a clue on defense. That's not an altogether bad combination.

I don't understand the appeal of this trade/set of trades for Utah. The ONLY thing I can think of that would maybe be appealing would be if Ostertag has a HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE (and I mean, like, John "Hot Plate" Williams-kinda huge . . . like, having its own gravitational pull-kinda huge . . . like, well, you get the idea . . .) contract that's due to expire this year.

I feel sorry for Eddie Jones, though. Dude really deserves to be on a contending team after putting up quietly and solidly for mediocre teams for so long.
I agree with everything in this post. I think Walker is going to end up working very well with Shaq. However, Jason Williams has never shown the ability to be a team player even when he had Jerry West mentoring him. Despite that problem with this trade, I think this trade will give Miami the firepower to make it to the Finals this upcoming year.

[korme]

A back court of Stoudmire and Jones is nothing to scoff at.
In 1998.

[korme]

I don't understand the appeal of this trade/set of trades for Utah. The ONLY thing I can think of that would maybe be appealing would be if Ostertag has a HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE (and I mean, like, John "Hot Plate" Williams-kinda huge . . . like, having its own gravitational pull-kinda huge . . . like, well, you get the idea . . .) contract that's due to expire this year.
You know it's really "Hot Rod", don't you? http://dynamic.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif

[korme]

Shows how far removed I am from the NBA. I only recognize 2 of those names:

Antoine Walker - played for the Hawks for about a season, I think (and I'm familiar with his time at Boston).

Jason Williams - Is he the guy who shot the limo driver?
Jayson Williams, limo killa:

http://www.thebwp.com/wire_images/jwilliamspic.jpg

Jason Williams, guy in trade:

http://www.internationalbasketball.com/tattoosjasonwilliams6.jpg

Straight gangsta, bitch!

[rkmsuf]

White Chocolate!

[Wolfpack]

You know it's really "Hot Rod", don't you? http://dynamic.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif

No, there really was a John "Hot Plate" Williams. While you know "Hot Rod" who played for Cleveland, there was another John Williams who played in the black holes known as Washington and the LA Clippers. He was supposed to be pretty good but had an utterly crappy work ethic that allowed him to balloon to close to 300 pounds. He was dubbed "Hot Plate" as a knock against him compared to "Hot Rod".

[KWhit]

Jayson Williams, limo killa:

http://www.thebwp.com/wire_images/jwilliamspic.jpg

Jason Williams, guy in trade:

http://www.internationalbasketball.com/tattoosjasonwilliams6.jpg

Straight gangsta, bitch!


What the hell?!

And wasn't there a point guard that came out of Duke named Jason Williams too?

Just another reason the NBA sucks. Too many guys named Jason Williams.

[TazFTW]

What the hell?!

And wasn't there a point guard that came out of Duke named Jason Williams too?

Just another reason the NBA sucks. Too many guys named Jason Williams.
Yep, Jay Williams (changed his name some he would not be associated with either of the other two). I believe he's attempting a comeback from that motocycle accident he had.

[DaddyTorgo]

i don't understand how in these huge multi-team NBA trades one team always seems to make out as the identifiable "winner." I mean, Miami gets Walker AND Jason Williams AND James Posey?

and who does everyone else get...journeymen and unproven rookies and crap to waive. It just...it makes no sense to me. How could the Celts for example, not sign-and-trade Walker for Posey (with assorted other pieces thrown in to make the salaries work). Instead Miami ends up with all the proven players and everyone else ends up with JUNK (eddie jones a possible exception).

edit: and i don't consider the two second round picks the C's got to be anything. I mean really...aside from Carlos Boozer, who's the last PRODUCTIVE player ever drafted out of the second round (and I mean productive in the sense of "helped his team contend" not just "ate up minutes and put up mediocre numbers)? Grrrrr...Danny Ainge....grrrr

[MrBug708]

In the NBA it's all about salary cap moves

[pennywisesb]

A back court of Stoudmire and Jones is nothing to scoff at.
In 1998.

Seriously, since when is Stoudamire and Jones a "great" backcourt? Thats probably one of the worst starting backcourts in the game talent-wise IMO.

[rkmsuf]

i don't understand how in these huge multi-team NBA trades one team always seems to make out as the identifiable "winner." I mean, Miami gets Walker AND Jason Williams AND James Posey?

and who does everyone else get...journeymen and unproven rookies and crap to waive. It just...it makes no sense to me. How could the Celts for example, not sign-and-trade Walker for Posey (with assorted other pieces thrown in to make the salaries work). Instead Miami ends up with all the proven players and everyone else ends up with JUNK (eddie jones a possible exception).

mostly they are all junk

anyone who thinks walker is worth anything above the exception is way off. he isn't very good.

posey? meh, we'll see.

the c's made the best deal. they got money and a 5 million exception for a guy who was a free agent that nobody really wanted. he could have been signed for 5 mil but the unique chance to dump eddie jones and get williams made the heat trade for him.

[jbmagic]

the key was eddie jones had a huge contract for next season.

[stevew]

No, there really was a John "Hot Plate" Williams. While you know "Hot Rod" who played for Cleveland, there was another John Williams who played in the black holes known as Washington and the LA Clippers. He was supposed to be pretty good but had an utterly crappy work ethic that allowed him to balloon to close to 300 pounds. He was dubbed "Hot Plate" as a knock against him compared to "Hot Rod".
Both Hot Rod, and Hot Plate were always amongst the most overpaid players at any given point in time.

[korme]

Yep, Jay Williams (changed his name some he would not be associated with either of the other two). I believe he's attempting a comeback from that motocycle accident he had.
He's attempting a comeback under his given name of Jason too.. http://dynamic.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif

[korme]

No, there really was a John "Hot Plate" Williams. While you know "Hot Rod" who played for Cleveland, there was another John Williams who played in the black holes known as Washington and the LA Clippers. He was supposed to be pretty good but had an utterly crappy work ethic that allowed him to balloon to close to 300 pounds. He was dubbed "Hot Plate" as a knock against him compared to "Hot Rod".
Heh. Cool story.

[JeeberD]

Yep, Jay Williams (changed his name some he would not be associated with either of the other two). I believe he's attempting a comeback from that motocycle accident he had.


And then there's this Jason Williams (on defense), though I really doubt he has a shot at the NBA...

http://www.redraiders.com/images/120403/6026_512.jpg

[Karlifornia]

http://www.internationalbasketball.com/tattoosjasonwilliams6.jpg


He plays in the NBA, and he's married to Britney Spears. Score!

[Neon_Chaos]

Jason Williams will fall in line.

Think of it as the Jordan-Rodman Corollary. A superior alpha-male will fix any major screw-up of a team-mate. That's what Shaq is... a superior alpha-male.

[daedalus]

You know it's really "Hot Rod", don't you? :)No, there really was a John "Hot Plate" Williams. While you know "Hot Rod" who played for Cleveland, there was another John Williams who played in the black holes known as Washington and the LA Clippers. He was supposed to be pretty good but had an utterly crappy work ethic that allowed him to balloon to close to 300 pounds. He was dubbed "Hot Plate" as a knock against him compared to "Hot Rod".Hot Plate (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/willijo02.html) played his college ball at LSU was INSANELY talented. 6'8 dude who handles and could pass like nobody's business. Absolutely zero work ethics, however, and never really achieved anything with his talent. Hot Rod (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/williho01.html) was a solid 4 on a talented Cleveland team that eventually, unfortunately, imploded.Both Hot Rod, and Hot Plate were always amongst the most overpaid players at any given point in time.That's quite possible, although I think they played a bit before current day's ridiculous salaries. I liked Hot Rod, though. I thought he was a good solid player who worked hard and you never heard ugly things about off-the-court.

[larrymcg421]

As a C's fan, I'm glad Walker is gone. He does have some talent, but is way too streaky. When it's time for a big game, you never know if he's gonna be 10 for 10 or 3 for 15. He provided a spark last season when he joined, but his numbers soon began to fall afterwards.

[Neon_Chaos]

As a C's fan, I'm glad Walker is gone. He does have some talent, but is way too streaky. When it's time for a big game, you never know if he's gonna be 10 for 10 or 3 for 15. He provided a spark last season when he joined, but his numbers soon began to fall afterwards.
I know... he is a very streaky player. Good thing the Heat have Shaq and Wade.

[Izulde]

Jason Williams looks gay. Are you sure he's married to Britney Spears?

[BreizhManu]

edit: and i don't consider the two second round picks the C's got to be anything. I mean really...aside from Carlos Boozer, who's the last PRODUCTIVE player ever drafted out of the second round (and I mean productive in the sense of "helped his team contend" not just "ate up minutes and put up mediocre numbers)? Grrrrr...Danny Ainge....grrrr
Ginobili

[Arles]

I mean really...aside from Carlos Boozer, who's the last PRODUCTIVE player ever drafted out of the second round (and I mean productive in the sense of "helped his team contend" not just "ate up minutes and put up mediocre numbers)?
Gilbert Arenas, Kyle Korver, Mehmet Okur, Earl Watson, Bobby Simmons, Michael Redd and Brian Cardinal. And that's only counting 2000-2003.

[Eaglesfan27]

Gilbert Arenas, Kyle Korver, Mehmet Okur, Earl Watson, Bobby Simmons, Michael Redd and Brian Cardinal. And that's only counting 2000-2003.

As a Sixer's fan I would dispute that Korver claim. Sure, he puts up some points, but his all around game is not that good and is more of a hinderance to the team many times.

[Arles]

As a Sixer's fan I would dispute that Korver claim. Sure, he puts up some points, but his all around game is not that good and is more of a hinderance to the team many times.
Sixers just signed him to a $25 million deal. That normally indicates he's a somewhat productive player (which was what the poster asked).

[Neon_Chaos]

I mean really...aside from Carlos Boozer, who's the last PRODUCTIVE player ever drafted out of the second round (and I mean productive in the sense of "helped his team contend" not just "ate up minutes and put up mediocre numbers)? Grrrrr...Danny Ainge....grrrr
Off the top of my head... Manu Ginobili, Gilbert Arenas, Bobby Simmons, Rashard Lewis.

[Sublime 2]

edit: and i don't consider the two second round picks the C's got to be anything. I mean really...aside from Carlos Boozer, who's the last PRODUCTIVE player ever drafted out of the second round (and I mean productive in the sense of "helped his team contend" not just "ate up minutes and put up mediocre numbers)? Grrrrr...Danny Ainge....grrrr

Danny Ainge is very high on Justin Reed, Ryan Gomes, and Orien Greene (though from what i hear he tried to get out of his commitment to Orien). Reed proved like he could be a quality backup to Pierce at the 3 spot during summer camp (take that for what it's worth). He's a solid defender (shut down McGrady a few times last year) though his offense needed some work, and it seems like he improved on that this summer. If I had any GM to draft mid-second rounders i would pick the Spurs GM followed by Ainge (admitting obvious bias). I think Ainge in the past 3 years has drafted exceptionally well! Banks could(!) be solid "blitz" pg, Perkins, a big bruiser; Jefferson, future all-star; Allen, strong defender; West, shoot first but solid pg; Gerald Green, Steal of 05 draft (nothing do w/ Ainge so much); Gomes, solid 3-4 tweener; and Oriene, who i know nothing about but Ainge loves. I really see no busts since Ainge came aboard. Even Brandon Hunter who proved to be a more than adequate rebounder (though nothing else). I know second rounders are nothing to bank on but I believe Ainge to be one of the best drafters around these days.


P.S. I am a complete homer! GREEN 17!!!!

[JeeberD]

Off the top of my head... Manu Ginobili, Gilbert Arenas, Bobby Simmons, Rashard Lewis.

Cutino Mobley

[Pacersfan46]

To add to the list of 2nd rounders:

Nick Van Exel, Stephen Jackson, Jeff McInnis, Malik Rose.

I missed that part of the post, or I would have jumped on that a long time ago. Besides that, trust in Danny Ainge. Thinking about the roster he was handed, and what he's made out of it .... I'd trust him.

[Eaglesfan27]

Sixers just signed him to a $25 million deal. That normally indicates he's a somewhat productive player (which was what the poster asked).
Or it indicates the Sixer's management is stupid sometimes. I believe the poster asked if the guy helped his team compete and not just put up mediocre numbers. I'd contend that Korver doesn't help his team compete due to his poor defense. I hope he improves and proves me wrong and earns that contract, but I wouldn't count on it.

[Eaglesfan27]

Actually, I'll take it back about Korver. I was just reviewing his defensive numbers on a game by game basis over on NBA.com and he did show defensive improvement last year. Hopefully, he'll continue to improve some defensively and become a more well rounded defender making him worthy of that contract.

[Arles]

I like Korver. He's certainly not a "star", but he's a very good shooter, decent defender and a strong NBA role player. Seems like a "Brent Barry"-type without the skills as a ball-handler, but a little better defense. At a minimum, he's very good value for a second round pick.

[Gary Gorski]

Korver would be much more valuable if a certain alleged power forward would actually play in the post instead of standing around on the perimiter. Korver would be a great fit on a team like Miami - two dominant scoring threats and with one being Shaq you know they have to double down - if he's open Korver can shoot all day. His problems come when someone is actually defending him and he has to work to get open or get his shot off.

[jbmagic]

Korver looks like the Kelso from the The 70's show.

http://www.that70sshow.com/images/gallery/s4/t_s4_kelso.jpg

[rkmsuf]

Word on the street is Garnett to Detroit for both Wallaces and two first round picks.

[Eaglesfan27]

Word on the street is Garnett to Detroit for both Wallaces and two first round picks.
Wow. That would be something to see. If that happened, who do you think comes out ahead? I'd have to say Minnesota, particularly since Garnett has seemed to have too much trouble getting along with teammates and the two Wallaces have proven they can win a championship together. Throw in 2 first round draft picks..

[DaddyTorgo]

fine fine. i got served. there are productive second rounders. just goes to show that i don't know my basketball drafting all that well. prolly cuz i am not THAT into following the game at the pro level

[MikeVic]

Pistons want to get rid of both Wallaces because Darko is ready to EXPLODE on the court!!!

[stevew]

To some extent, trading Ben Wallace now would be a blessing for Detroit. He's a free agent next year, and will surely want a ton of money. With KG, the pistons would be favored to win the title i would think.

[korme]

Wow, huge rumored deal but I don't know why Detroit would do it. I mean, why break up a team that has led you to 2 straight NBA Finals with one title? Don't get me wrong, Garnett is possibly the best, most versatile big man in the game.. but if it ain't broke, don't fix it..

[Wolfpack]

Anyone think Flip Saunders has a hand in this if it happens? Wonder what KG thinks about the possibility of being reunited with his old coach?

[Pacersfan46]

I've heard a rumor in Indy about Artest, and Jermaine O'Neal for KG.

Who knows.

[jbmagic]

i heard a rumor in LA about Odom and Kwame Brown for KG

who knows

[Arles]

i heard a rumor in LA about Odom and Kwame Brown for KG

who knows
That would be the dumbest move in the history of the NBA for Minnesota. No chance that happens.

[MikeVic]

I've heard a rumour in Toronto about Rose and Araujo for KG.

Who knows.

[jbmagic]

I've heard a rumour in Toronto about Rose and Araujo for KG.

Who knows.


thanks for playing along :)

[Arles]

Come on, JBM, I need some smileys on a Friday afternoon. ;)