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Peregrine

08-09-2005, 07:39 AM

I just find this story humorous on so many levels, Chavez is always making these wacky, incendiary statements to boost his support on the home front, and it's funny because hey, it's Venezuela, not North Korea. Plus, we're being threatened by a guy that looks like this??

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2005/WORLD/americas/08/09/chavez.invasion.ap/vert.chavez.ap.jpg

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/08/09/chavez.invasion.ap/index.html

illinifan999

08-09-2005, 07:45 AM

We should invade.

gottimd

08-09-2005, 07:46 AM

That guy looks like the Janitor, oh sorry, custodial engineer at my office.

Mustang

08-09-2005, 07:49 AM

I think it is just customary now for a leader to say they will beat us like a rented mule if we invade... Standard speech in the Anti-US politicians handbook.

Is that really the leader? Thought it was some comedian starring in a new TV show on UPN this fall...

stevew

08-09-2005, 07:59 AM

I think Bobby Abreu and Johan Santana will defeat the US infidels if they decide to attack Venezuela....in a game of baseball.

Tigercat

08-09-2005, 08:00 AM

I was wondering if the Iraqi information minister got a new gig. Needs better plastic surgery and a better fashion consultant though.

Ksyrup

08-09-2005, 08:15 AM

We probably will bite the dust...from him running away.

Rizon

08-09-2005, 08:18 AM

Chavez, whose country remains a major supplier of oil to the United States, also is sharply critical of the U.S.-led wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Hooker with a Penis

Blackadar

08-09-2005, 09:20 AM

I think it is just customary now for a leader to say they will beat us like a rented mule if we invade... Standard speech in the Anti-US politicians handbook.

The question you should ask yourself is why this was even mentioned by him and why did it get such a positive response from the crowd...

Mustang

08-09-2005, 09:29 AM

The question you should ask yourself is why this was even mentioned by him and why did it get such a positive response from the crowd...

Considering the slogan of the affair was - 'Against Imperialism and War' and they were touting socialist views at the rally... can't say I'm shocked by him popping off with this statement.

Be about the equivalent of someone saying 'Seven of Nine has big tits' at a Star Trek convention... unusual statement to be made but, given the circumstances, not shocking and yet comical...

Anthony

08-09-2005, 09:39 AM

Be about the equivalent of someone saying 'Seven of Nine has big tits' at a Star Trek convention... unusual statement to be made but, given the circumstances, not shocking and yet comical...

no, it wouldn't be unusual, it would be comforting to see those mutant geeks taking interest in actual females.

miked

08-09-2005, 10:26 AM

Chavez called the United States the "most savage, cruel and murderous empire that has existed in the history of the world."

Apparently this idiot needs to take some history classes.

Critch

08-09-2005, 10:34 AM

I'm fully against the US invading Venezuela now as this comment could lead to FOX and/or CNN playing "Another one bites the dust" by Queen over and over, and I hate that song.

Klinglerware

08-09-2005, 10:36 AM

We should invade.

The US already tried to depose him in 2002 by backing a coup against him. The administration immediately recognized the new government they tried to put in place, but they foolishly did this before events on the ground stabilized. The Bush administration had to back-track really fast when the coup fell apart. It's pretty comical how this all transpired--the US government can't seem to get their act together when trying to foment revolution.

pennywisesb

08-09-2005, 11:19 AM

Apparently this idiot needs to take some history classes.

This guys is a freaking idiot. It never amazes me how blind these socialistic dictators can be. He says the US is the ""most savage, cruel and murderous empire that has existed in the history of the world." Yet his next statement says "socialism is the only path". The same socialism that Josef Stalin used to murder millions upon millions of people.

The crowd probably had to cheer after he made these statements because there were military personnel with itchy trigger-fingers sitting just out of camera view for any that didn't.

BigJohn&TheLions

08-09-2005, 11:25 AM

Klinglerware

08-09-2005, 11:25 AM

The crowd probably had to cheer after he made these statements because there were military personnel with itchy trigger-fingers sitting just out of camera view for any that didn't.

Interesting analysis, except that Venezuela is a multi-party democracy--Chavez was democratically elected...

John Galt

08-09-2005, 11:31 AM

Interesting analysis, except that Venezuela is a multi-party democracy--Chavez was democratically elected...

I was about to say the same thing. Whether you like Chavez or not, it was democracy that brought him into power. It was the U.S. that has flirted with the idea of helping remove him from power through non-democratic means. Socialist does not necessarily mean dictator.

JonInMiddleGA

08-09-2005, 11:33 AM

All we would need to do to criple Venezuela is to stop buying oil from them. Oh wait... WE CAN"T!!!

Sure we can.

Don't buy it, just take it.

Greyroofoo

08-09-2005, 11:33 AM

Venezuala has oil, we'll definitely be invading

John Galt

08-09-2005, 11:34 AM

All we would need to do to criple Venezuela is to stop buying oil from them. Oh wait... WE CAN"T!!!

Has anyone else noticed that the countries who we buy oil from seem to really dislike us, but love selling a lot of oil to us?

In Venezuela, that made perfect sense. The country felt that all of the oil revenues were leaving the country because most of the companies were multi-nationals with strong U.S. ties. Chavez ran on a platform that sought to take control of the country's oil so it could be sold abroad with the profits staying in the country. The goal was to actually make money from the process that was occurring anyway.

BigJohn&TheLions

08-09-2005, 11:37 AM

The goal was to actually make money from the process that was occurring anyway.
Thinking in a typical U.S. businesslike manner, wouldn't that require foreign workers?

Klinglerware

08-09-2005, 11:37 AM

In Venezuela, that made perfect sense. The country felt that all of the oil revenues were leaving the country because most of the companies were multi-nationals with strong U.S. ties. Chavez ran on a platform that sought to take control of the country's oil so it could be sold abroad with the profits staying in the country. The goal was to actually make money from the process that was occurring anyway.

Spot on. That is why the US is so threatened by Chavez--not because of his anti-American rhetoric, but because of his desire to nationalize the oil industry.

John Galt

08-09-2005, 11:38 AM

Thinking in a typical U.S. businesslike manner, wouldn't that require foreign workers?

I'm not sure. I believe most of the labor was local, it was just the companies that were stationed abroad. But I'm not sure.

Cringer

08-09-2005, 11:49 AM

It's pretty funny this is what makes it as a story around here. You guys are as bad as the mainstream media. Wow, guy made a comment that makes a great headline!! We ignore that country most of the time but now lets post a picture and make fun of how he looks. (Which I do not get why he looks funny to you, because he is a non-white leader? Look at our President for crying ot loud.)

Maybe talk about how the DEA was booted out of Venezuela yesterday, because Venezuela feels they are trying to operate above the law.

The U.S. is once again making claims that Venezuela is promoting groups that will de-stabalize their neighbors. When the U.S. is the one who supported the coup in Hait. When the U.S. is the one backing a false drug war and proping up the government of Columbia. When the U.S. is trying to deny rumors in Paraguay right now about building a major military base. A base that is well timed for te U.S. because Bolivia’s recent uprisings, their enormous gas reserves, and a presidential election on the way, the U.S. will be sitting pretty to fuck with stuff if things don't go our way. Of course the old War on Terrorism arguement could be made, quickly becoming the new tool for fucking with countries in South America, just as Communism was before.

The United States congress wants to set up U.S. run radio and television stations in Venezuela to get our governments message across to the people there. After all, Chavez is fairly loved there and the U.S. needs to spread it's propaganda.

The United States helped fund the recall effort against Chavez.

Venezuela has been asking for a known and wanted terrorist, who blew up a commercial plane years ago, but the U.S. government will not turn him over for Venezuela to put him on trial. Nice, I guess terrorists we like can go unpunished.

The U.S. is constantly speaking out against Venezuela, and behind the scenes trying to do much more. Wonder if it has anything to do with OIL? What a surprise. Probably also personal now, since Chavez has not let the U.S. control what is happening in Venezuela, and Venezuela's neighbors have even chosen their side over the U.S.'s several times which has to piss off the Bush administration.

Anthony

08-09-2005, 11:58 AM

Sure we can.

Don't buy it, just take it.

we tried that strategy in Iraq and look how that turned out.

Anthony

08-09-2005, 12:03 PM

We ignore that country most of the time but now lets post a picture and make fun of how he looks. (Which I do not get why he looks funny to you, because he is a non-white leader?)

i think it has something to do with George Lopez being the leader of the country.

http://www.abcmedianet.com/showcontent/primetime/glopez/i/lopez.jpg

gottimd

08-09-2005, 12:22 PM

According to this site (http://www.play-analogia.com/cgi-bin/index/k/?ks=zY52XwRrriR3G1vjuavnF0imCj2tQtnaE7tBa5nH) he looks like Morgan Freeman????

I was hoping it would say he looks like George Lopez or maybe even the latino bee guy from the simpsons.

JonInMiddleGA

08-09-2005, 12:27 PM

we tried that strategy in Iraq and look how that turned out.

1) HA, if you think that's what Iraq was about, then you're a bigger fucking idiot than I thought.

2) If you didn't follow that I was supplying a wise-ass remark in response to the comment about not being able to not buy Venz. oil, then you're a bigger fucking idiot than I thought.

3) I'm starting to see a trend here, so I think I'll just stop before it becomes a firm conclusion.

JonInMiddleGA

08-09-2005, 12:28 PM

i think it has something to do with George Lopez being the leader of the country.

http://www.abcmedianet.com/showcontent/primetime/glopez/i/lopez.jpg

Well, just when I'm about ready to write you off (see previous post), you come along & nail something perfectly.

The man, the myth, the riddle wrapped within an enigma ... HA.

flere-imsaho

08-09-2005, 12:53 PM

The same socialism that Josef Stalin used to murder millions upon millions of people.

I think you mean "totalitarianism", unless you're making a subtle comment about the affects of a planned economy.

Anthony

08-09-2005, 02:43 PM

jon: duh...everyone knows we went to Iraq to liberate the people

....after we couldn't find any WMD's

ColtCrazy

08-09-2005, 02:50 PM

Another reason why we need to stop using oil as our life line and develop a new type of sustainable energy. Then, we wouldn't rely on these stupid countries for their oil. Without our money, what would they be saying then?

Cringer

08-09-2005, 03:00 PM

Without our money, what would they be saying then?

"Hey China, we hear you need oil."

Klinglerware

08-09-2005, 03:04 PM

"Hey China, we hear you need oil."

Ha ha, well played!

Mustang

08-09-2005, 03:07 PM

Without our money, what would they be saying then?

That we don't care about their economy and us not buying oil from them is causing them economic hardships... Or, I should say, our media is reporting that they are saying that.

I need to get to other countries again.. I can't imagine the level of hatred of U.S citizens is any more or less then the level of hatred the average U.S citizens encounters on our own streets for being different.

Cringer

08-09-2005, 03:14 PM

Also, it is not like we would stop buying oil from these countries if we had another energy source (which most people are talkning about a source to power cars when they say this, they may be including heating oil though).

Go around your house/office and let me know how many things made of plastic you see? Do you use tooth paste? See any thing painted? Nylon and polyester are made from oil, too.

We would keep buying oil, and what we didn't use in cars would be made up for by China and 3rd world nation-states.

ISiddiqui

08-09-2005, 05:05 PM

Venezuela has been asking for a known and wanted terrorist, who blew up a commercial plane years ago, but the U.S. government will not turn him over for Venezuela to put him on trial. Nice, I guess terrorists we like can go unpunished.
While I'm no fan of Chavez, this does burn me. Bush has said countries that harbor terrorists are evil (in so many words). WE are harboring a terrorist! Jesus Christ! Send him down for trial in Venezuela!

Cringer

08-09-2005, 07:30 PM

While I'm no fan of Chavez, this does burn me. Bush has said countries that harbor terrorists are evil (in so many words). WE are harboring a terrorist! Jesus Christ! Send him down for trial in Venezuela!

This is part of the problem I think at this point. It is really starting to become personal between both administrations. They both came into power at roughly the same time, and have been smacking heads ever since. It won't get any better either.

korme

08-09-2005, 07:32 PM

That guy looks like the Janitor, oh sorry, custodial engineer at my office.
I'm a master of the custodial arts... or a janitor, if you want to be a dick about it.

gottimd

08-09-2005, 07:40 PM

I'm a master of the custodial arts... or a janitor, if you want to be a dick about it.
I'm a master at baiting fish.....or a master baiter, if you want to be a dick about it.

stevew

08-09-2005, 09:00 PM

Karlifornia

08-09-2005, 09:28 PM

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2005/WORLD/americas/08/09/chavez.invasion.ap/vert.chavez.ap.jpg

http://www.travelgolf.com/images/features/chichirodriguez.jpg

terpkristin

08-23-2005, 03:46 PM

As a bit of follow-up to this story, I found an article saying Pat Robertson said the US should kill Chavez over at the BBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4177664.stm

TV host urges US to kill Chavez

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</td> </tr> </tbody></table>   US religious broadcaster Pat Robertson has called for the US to assassinate Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez. Mr Robertson caused controversy with the comments on his TV show, describing Mr Chavez as "a terrific danger".

Venezuela's vice president accused Robertson of making "terrorist" remarks and said the US response would put its anti-terror policy to the test.

The US State Department said the comments were "inappropriate" and did not reflect the policy of the US. 

'Cheaper than war'

Mr Robertson's remarks come amid tense diplomatic relations between Venezuela and Washington.

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Pat Robertson

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President Chavez is a regular critic of the US, which regards Venezuela as a possible source of instability in the region.

Mr Chavez has accused Washington of conspiring to topple his government and possibly backing plots to assassinate him. US officials have called the accusations ridiculous.

Mr Robertson, 75, said on Monday's edition of the 700 Club: "You know, I don't know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it.

"It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war ... and I don't think any oil shipments will stop."

Mr Robertson, founder of the Christian Coalition of America and a former presidential candidate, accused the United States of failing to act when Mr Chavez was briefly overthrown in 2002.

Venezuela is the fifth-largest oil exporter and a major supplier of oil to the United States.

Vice President Jose Vicente Rangel said Venezuela was studying its legal options.

"The ball is in the US court, after this criminal statement by a citizen of that country.

"It's huge hypocrisy to maintain this discourse against terrorism and at the same time, in the heart of that country there are entirely terrorist statements like those."

State Department spokesman San McCormack said Mr Robertson was speaking as a private citizen and that the US administration did not share his views.

A spokeswoman for the Christian Broadcasting Network told the BBC: "We are at a time of war and Pat had war on his mind when he made the comments."
/tk

WSUCougar

08-23-2005, 03:47 PM

Mr Robertson, 75, said on Monday's edition of the 700 Club: "You know, I don't know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it.

"It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war ... and I don't think any oil shipments will stop."
I don't even know where to begin.

HomerJSimpson

08-23-2005, 03:59 PM

I don't even know where to begin.

WWJD? I guess assasination is in there now for these clowns.

Raiders Army

08-23-2005, 04:08 PM

I'm not buying any of this Kool-Aid.

John Galt

08-23-2005, 04:20 PM

I don't even know where to begin.

My favorite part is that Venezuela will harbor Islamic extremists. This is in a country that is 98% Roman Catholic.

yabanci

08-23-2005, 04:38 PM

WWJD?

http://logo.cafepress.com/7/3285719.713037.jpg

JonInMiddleGA

08-23-2005, 04:39 PM

I'd like to give Robertson a swift kick for his comments ... largely because he effectively removed a pretty darned good idea from play by opening his mouth.

HomerJSimpson

08-23-2005, 04:40 PM

My favorite part is that Venezuela will harbor Islamic extremists. This is in a country that is 98% Roman Catholic.

That is a good question. Where in the heck did the "Islamic extremist" come in? Just tryin to throw every label in there to make something stick? Why not Nazi's? Didn't they all end up in Venezuela?

Tigercat

08-23-2005, 04:58 PM

I say we sign up Robertson and give him a gun. He's a Christian conservative, wheres his self reliance? If you want a job done right, do it yourself! Heres your gun and ticket to Venezula Pat, good luck.

ISiddiqui

08-23-2005, 07:42 PM

That is a good question. Where in the heck did the "Islamic extremist" come in? Just tryin to throw every label in there to make something stick? Why not Nazi's? Didn't they all end up in Venezuela?
Well, now it's up to you to inform the good reverend about that whole Nazi thing. We have to search every avenue, dammit!

lungs

08-24-2005, 09:06 AM

HomerJSimpson

08-24-2005, 09:19 AM

Am I missing something or does Christianity condone killing somebody if they're political views don't matchup with your own? Robertson is nothing but a fucking hypocrite by calling himself a Christian.

No, it doesn't, but just to play devil's advocate (or explain, I'm not even advocating Robert's beliefs)...

Evangelical Christianity (were Roberts loosely falls) does say that the "higher powers" (the government) does "not use the sword in vain." In other words, the EC recognize government as a God ordained institution that does have the right to proclaim war or use the death penalty, as long it is to protect the good and terrorize "evil." All of that can be so loosely interpreted to justify about anything in some people's eyes, as clearly Mr. Robertson is doing.

Anthony

08-24-2005, 10:08 AM

KWhit

08-24-2005, 10:17 AM

Am I missing something or does Christianity condone killing somebody if they're political views don't matchup with your own?
Yes. See the Crusades.

lungs

08-24-2005, 10:58 AM

which is why religion should be abolished, it's hypocritcal and contradictory in its extremes. nothing wrong with being spiritual, but hiding behind a bible or other holy book to fulfill your own interests is what makes me sick of mankind. countless people have died in the name of religion since the dawn of time. a 2,000 year old book is not practical in today's times. you can't use "stories", which is mostly what the bible is, to intrepret and distort their meanings to justify your actions. that's not religion. that's not enlightenment.

I agree for the most part. What really stinks is that people that really are good people and follow the teachings of Christ get lumped in with all these idiots that forward their own agenda in the name of Christ.

People on the other side tend to throw all Christians into one bag when there are various degrees of idiocy throughout Christianity just as their are various degrees of idiocy in any walk of life there is.

Flasch186

08-25-2005, 01:58 PM

Honolulu_Blue

08-25-2005, 02:17 PM

Well Pat apologized amid his "he has no comments" regarding it, and his initial denial that even actually said what he said, going the 'ole "misinterpreted by that press" route. I love that hypocrisy....expose that underbelly anytime there pardner.
It's all retarded.

I think this is how it went down, the part in bold wasn't widely reported:
Yesterday Mr Robertson initially said his comments had been misinterpreted, but went on to add that kidnapping Mr Chávez might be a better idea.

"I said our special forces could take him out. Take him out could be a number of things, including kidnapping or taking him out to dinner and a movie, like a date. You know, hit the local Red Lobster and then go see that new Dukes of Hazzard movie."