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JonInMiddleGA
08-18-2005, 11:18 PM
Just wondering whether this is one of those "I'm the last to know" kinda things, or if this is something that most people here never heard before either.

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/metro/gwinnett/0805/19crack.html
Crack pipes obtained easily, and legally, at local stores

By LATEEF MUNGIN
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 08/19/05

If you have a couple of dollars and know the code, you can easily buy a crack pipe.

The seller isn't always a seedy head shop, or even a trendy boutique.

These crack pipes, disguised as flower holders, were bought at county convenience stores.

They can easily be bought in the same place you buy gas, beer or your children's milk — the corner convenience market in the burbs.

This week, Atlanta Journal-Constitution reporters bought five of the pipes in four different convenience stores. Surprisingly, police say the sale of the drug paraphernalia is perfectly legal in Georgia.

The code: Ask the cashier for "the glass." The clerk reaches under the counter and retrieves a 4-inch-long glass pipe with a little flower embedded inside.

The pipes have ignited controversy across the country from critics who claim that store owners are knowingly selling drug paraphernalia to junkies. The items have been outlawed in Michigan, Chicago and Milwaukee. But in some metro Atlanta counties, the sale of the pipes that are known by the street slang "the glass" or "rose tubes" may be a dirty little secret just coming to light.

"These store owners know what they are used for," said Danny McKirchy, founder of an organization called Help End Addiction with Love that lobbied to get the rose tubes outlawed in Chicago three years ago. "They throw the flower away. Put some kind of filter in it and smoke the crack."

There's no law against selling or purchasing the pipes in Georgia, authorities say. The only way they would be illegal under state law is if an officer found drug residue in it or could somehow prove that it was used for drugs. But just the sight of the item would get the interest of an officer, said Gwinnett police spokesman Darren Moloney.

"We are aware of the rose tubes," Moloney said. "They are not illegal by themselves but they are associated with drug use. Similar to a bong, if an officer saw one of those in plain sight during a traffic stop, we would start to ask a lot more questions."

DeKalb police also said they are aware of the sale of rose tubes at convenience stores.

In recent visits, reporters were able to purchase the pipes at convenience stores in four Gwinnett County cities. In some stores, the items were displayed in plain sight near the cash registers. In others, they were kept behind the register where customers could not see them.

Jeff Lenard, spokesman for the National Association of Convenience Stores, said he has heard complaints about the pipes but says vendors may not be aware of how they are used.

"A lot of times they are shocked when they learn it can be used in that way," said Lenard, whose Virginia-based association represents owners of about 70,000 American convenience stores. "Some really don't know, but it is hard to use that defense at the stores that keep it behind the counter."

At a Norcross-area Shell convenience store this week, a cashier reached behind a register and sold one of the pipes to a reporter for $3. When asked what the pipe was used for, the cashier referred questions to a manager.

"I don't know," said the manager, who said he only wanted to be identified as Tariq. "I just work here."

When asked why the items were kept behind the counter, the manager stammered: "We have had a problem with people stealing them. Also, we wanted to keep them away from young children. I am very busy. No more questions."

At another Shell-branded store near Lilburn, a display of the small glass tubes on the counter was nearly empty Thursday. The store is next to a day care center. Across the intersection is another day care.

When asked what the small tubes were for, the cashier, who would not identify himself, shrugged his shoulders and said, "They are roses in a glass tube."

When pressed, he allowed more. "I don't want to spell it out if I know," he said, picking up the phone and dialing the store's owner.

Store owner Phil Moloo said as far as he knew, the tubes were novelty items. He said customers see the display when they check out and think they are "just so cute." He said customers take them back to their families.

Moloo was surprised when a reporter explained how they are used.

"We don't have any idea of that," he said. He asked whether he was breaking the law by selling the tubes.

Moloo sells a basic tube and flower for $3.99. A fancier "Mystic vase" comes in a box for $5.99. The tube includes a red rose and a wooden accent piece that slips over the shaft. Both tubes have a bubbled end with a small hole that makes them look much like miniature marijuana pipes. The hole on the boxed vase is plugged with a rubber heart inscribed with the words, "I miss you."

Moloo said the community is not the kind of place one might find drug addicts, so he doubts they come in for the tubes. He added that they are not a high-selling item. But only three pipes remained in the 21-item carton at Moloo's store Thursday.

Ari Russell, executive director of a Gwinnett substance-abuse program, said the rose tube also can be used to smoke crystal methamphetamine.

"I am not surprised that they are selling this," Russell said. "I have gone into the local convenience stores and seen things that could be used as drug paraphernalia, such as rolling papers."

McKirchy, who runs an Illinois-based drug program, said he first became aware of the rose tubes when he found one in his son's bedroom. He then learned that his son was addicted to heroin. McKirchy also found that his son had purchased the pipe at a neighborhood gas station store.

McKirchy then began traveling around to gauge the scope of the problem.

"I went to seven suburban counties and were able to purchase them everywhere," said McKirchy. "At one store the clerk actually said, 'I did not think you were into drugs.' I went to the media and the police and we were able to get them banned."

Staff Writer Duane D. Stanford contributed to this report.

JonInMiddleGA
08-18-2005, 11:18 PM
http://img.coxnewsweb.com/B/01/13/90/image_1790131.jpg

timmynausea
08-18-2005, 11:24 PM
I did know about this. I never really thought about how weird it is, though.

ThunderingHERD
08-18-2005, 11:28 PM
What a bunch of reactionary B.S. There are lots of uses for these things other than smoking crack. Like smoking meth, for example.

BigJohn&TheLions
08-19-2005, 12:03 AM
An old friend of mine used to smoke crack using a broken antennae piece, so where there's a will...

GreenMonster
08-19-2005, 12:08 AM
Man last week I thought I was a pimp when I got my girlfriend a flower in glass.. Now I find out I may have turned her into a crack addict.

korme
08-19-2005, 12:57 AM
What a bunch of reactionary B.S. There are lots of uses for these things other than smoking crack. Like smoking meth, for example.
lol

ice4277
08-19-2005, 04:38 AM
http://img.coxnewsweb.com/B/01/13/90/image_1790131.jpg
First a few Coors in the middle of the day, and now it has come to this...

Lidstrom
08-19-2005, 05:01 AM
Until this caught on, the only thing keeping people from smoking crack was access to a pipe. Now everybody will be smoking crack. I am sure the proximity to day care centers is really of great concern. If someone wants to get on a drug, they aren't waiting around for CVS to sell them the hardware. They will improvise.

Besides, I thought all drug addicts were supposed to be criminals and destitute. How can they even afford these pipes? Did we miss all the stolen radios and TVs behind the counters that the junkies are trading for new pipes or what?

Marc Vaughan
08-19-2005, 05:26 AM
Personally I think its a lot of fuss about nothing, they most likely started as innocent novelty items and have been adopted by the drug community ...

As far as 'banning them' that seems weird to me, after all deoderant cans weren't banned when kids started using that for highs (from sniffing the gas), rolling papers haven't been banned because people can roll joints with them etc.

To me banning an innocent item because it can be used for something it wasn't originally intended for is victimising the wrong people, surely?

stevew
08-19-2005, 05:55 AM
I heard about this similar thing a few years ago, with some stores clever enough to place Steel Wool pads beside the glass crack pipes, just so that the junkees didnt have to look hard to assemble their kit.

stevew
08-19-2005, 05:56 AM
Dola

Don't smoke with SOS pads though, the Soap makes the crack taste bad.

JonInMiddleGA
08-19-2005, 06:37 AM
... rolling papers haven't been banned because people can roll joints with them etc.

Actually, rolling papers are illegal (or at least restricted for sale) in a number of jurisdictions.

To me banning an innocent item because it can be used for something it wasn't originally intended for is victimising the wrong people, surely?

And it appears likely that products containing psuedoephidrine will ultimately be illegal for sale (as soon as moving them behind the counter to restrict availablility fails to curb meth production).

Marc Vaughan
08-19-2005, 07:01 AM
Actually, rolling papers are illegal (or at least restricted for sale) in a number of jurisdictions.

And it appears likely that products containing psuedoephidrine will ultimately be illegal for sale (as soon as moving them behind the counter to restrict availablility fails to curb meth production).

LOL :D

Any plans to outlaw the sale of Petrol in case people decide to drink it out of desperation or sniff the fumes (ditto for various cleaning products) ...

Ditto for banning tobacco on the grounds its often used when smoking pot ...

Ksyrup
08-19-2005, 07:13 AM
To me banning an innocent item because it can be used for something it wasn't originally intended for is victimising the wrong people, surely?Yes, we surely wouldn't want to deprive Stuckey's owners of the profits they make from the sale of cheap novelty items. Next we'll want to ban nut logs.

JonInMiddleGA
08-19-2005, 07:54 AM
LOL :D

I'm just telling you how it is here, dunno what it's like everywhere else.

Hurst2112
08-19-2005, 10:01 AM
everybody knows you can smoke crack out of a bic pen. sheesh

B & B
08-19-2005, 10:29 AM
http://www.stuckeys.com/sendcard/images/postcard2.gif

Ksyrup
08-19-2005, 10:38 AM
Do you have a more current pic outside of a Stuckey's? Because I haven't seen a guy in a suit at a Stuckey's EVER, unless Billy Bob and Manda Sue are having their wedding reception there.

Fritz
08-19-2005, 10:47 AM
i miss a good ol stuckey's.

chinaski
08-19-2005, 12:01 PM
this has been around for as long as i can remember.