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SirFozzie
09-07-2005, 03:49 PM
Yeah, Bud.. ever hear of double jeopardy? How about triple jeopardy?

Under Bolshevik Bud's new plan, he'd be banned for life..

Ken Rosenthal / FOXSports.com
Posted: 60 minutes ago

The Mariners' Michael Morse admits that he was desperate to salvage his career. Admits that he took steroids from Nov. 2003 to Jan. 2004. Admits that he was wrong, and that he should be punished.

The problem is, the 10-game suspension announced for Morse on Wednesday is the third such penalty he has received for the same offense.

Plain and simple, that is unjust — and the three-man arbitration panel that denied Morse's grievance knows it.

Michael Morse has already served two suspensions stemming from his use of steroids between Nov. 2003 and Jan. 2004. (Michael Zagaris / Getty Images)

"The panel recognizes that this result might be viewed as unfair to Michael Morse, a further suspension resulting from conduct which likely ended before the 2004 season began," the panel states in its decision, details of which were obtained by FOXSports.com.

From the moment Major League Baseball and the players' association agreed to announce penalties for those who tested positive for steroids, representatives on the players' side feared that a player could be wrongly smeared.

In the case of Morse, 23, those fears have proven justified. If ever there was a steroid user who deserves sympathy, Morse is it. Since his promotion to the Mariners on June 1, he has posted a .360 on-base percentage and emerged as a potential building block while playing shortstop and left field.

Now this.

Unlike Orioles first baseman Rafael Palmeiro, who hinted that he was the victim of contamination, and Mariners right-hander Ryan Franklin, who said he took only legal, over-the-counter supplements. Morse takes full responsibility for his use of two different forms of steroids.

He just doesn't understand why he's a victim of triple jeopardy, getting penalized for testing positive in May when he already received minor-league suspensions for the same transgression in May and July of 2004.

If commissioner Bud Selig wants to implement a "three- strikes-and-out" policy — a 50-game suspension for a first offense, 100-game suspension for a second and lifetime ban for a third — then it's imperative that MLB's testing program be evenhanded.

Ditto if Congress carries out its threat to crack down on steroid use in pro sports; four proposed bills, including one authored by Sen. Jim Bunning, R-Ky., a Hall of Fame pitcher, call for a two-year ban for a first-time offense and a lifetime ban for a second.

From MLB's perspective, Morse gained a competitive advantage and was allowed to return while still benefiting from that advantage, a far less damaging outcome than if he were forced to sit out until the steroids no longer were in his system.

The MLB policy often is criticized as too lenient. In this case, it looks too stringent. Critics can't have it both ways, but for the next Michael Morse, there has to be a more equitable solution.

Morse's suspension gives the appearance that MLB is more interested in demonstrating the worthiness of its current program to Congress than in treating its players fairly.

It also points out a significant flaw in the sport's testing process: A player who tests positive in the minors can be punished repeatedly for that offense, then punished again in the majors as long as the steroid stays in his system.

That problem, which MLB and the players' union should have anticipated, needs to be addressed. The arbitration panel viewed the major- and minor-league programs as separate and distinct.

The panel's decision states:

# That Morse's positive test in May was "more likely than not" from the same use that led to each of his two minor-league suspensions.

# That it is "undisputed" that the low amount of the substance found when Morse tested positive in May has no performance-enhancing effect.

# That the evidence supports Morse's testimony that he last used steroids during the 2003-04 off-season.

If the point of the program is to educate and deter players, then Morse should be held up as a success: He learned from his mistake and stopped using performance-enhancing drugs.

Instead, he becomes just another statistic for MLB.

Morse testified that he suffered a torn left-thigh muscle in 2000. As time passed, the muscle deteriorated to the point where the strength in his left thigh was about 50 percent of his right thigh.

In Oct. 2003, after completing Instructional League play, Morse feared his career was in jeopardy. In November and December, he took Deca Durabolin to increase the strength in his thigh muscle. In Jan. 2004, he took Winstrol to shed his excess muscle and weight. But by Feb. 1, 2004, he testified that he had stopped taking all substances.

In the major-league program, the burden of proof is on MLB to prove that the player used steroids a second time. Typically, MLB would do that by showing that a player had the same level of steroids in his system or an increased amount. But in the minor-league program, the burden of proof is on the player, who theoretically could be tested daily and found in violation each time until the steroid is out of his system — a power that could be abused by MLB.

Minor leaguers, who are not members of the Major League Baseball Players' Association, are unable to avoid additional suspensions even when subsequent tests show decreasing amounts of steroid levels. That's what happened with Morse, who was penalized twice in three months for the same usage. Each time, he was allowed back on the field with steroids in his system — while subject to further testing.

When Morse joined the Mariners, he became subject to the MLB policy, again with steroids still in his system. Rather than consider his special circumstances, the panel interpreted the testing policy literally.

The panel consisted of Shyam Das, an arbitrator, John McHale Jr., MLB's executive-vice president of administration, and Stephen Fehr, a union official who is the brother of union chief Donald Fehr. Das, the panel chairman, effectively cast the deciding vote. After reinstating Rangers left-hander Kenny Rogers last month — Das angered MLB officials by reducing the pitcher's 20-game suspension for shoving two cameramen to 13 games — the arbitrator might have been worried that a decision in favor of Morse would have cost him his position. Das is jointly employed by the MLB and the MLBPA with the understanding that he can be fired by either party.

Instead, the person who gets hurt is Morse, who admitted to his mistake, served his minor-league punishment and received no performance-enhancing benefit from the amount of steroid for which he tested positive in the majors.

Regardless, MLB is sticking it to him.

It's a terrible message. And terribly unfair.

st.cronin
09-07-2005, 04:05 PM
I have no problem whatsoever with this.

dawgfan
09-07-2005, 04:07 PM
Interesting story, and one that's being debated heatedly on various M's blog forums. If Rosenthal's story is accurate, there is some reason to believe that what Morse is saying is true, but it's also strange that this is the first time we've seen a player publicly proclaim a positive test resulted from use 1.5+ years prior.

If Morse really wants to generate sympathy for his story, he'll release the results of his test and we can see if the actual results and his story hold up under scrutiny by those that are experts on steroids.

If Morse's story holds up, this certainly exposes a nasty double-jeapordy issue with the MLB testing process.

General Mike
09-07-2005, 04:08 PM
He deserves it.

dawgfan
09-07-2005, 04:08 PM
I have no problem whatsoever with this.

If it's true that Morse is being punished again for a violation he's already been punished for twice before, you don't see this as being a problem?

JonInMiddleGA
09-07-2005, 04:13 PM
My first reaction -- weird. As in weird that the program appears to be set up to count the same offense multiple times.

My second reaction ... looks like maybe the minors & the majors should be under a unified plan, not separate ones. Yeah, I know there's logistical issues out the wazoo with that idea.

condors
09-07-2005, 04:14 PM
how about the minor leaguer who didn't use roids and may never get the call up he got?

I honestly don't think baseball is being very fair to him as they need to treat each player the same but i don't have a problem with 1 strike and your out policy either. Stick a needle in the butt and get caught then goodbye, take something that is over the counter and didn't know it was banned are two different things in my eyes.

I think alot of the problems in baseball are due to Bud Selig the man has no spine and when he pretends to have one he looks even worse. They need a baseball commish that the owners answer to and not the other way around.

st.cronin
09-07-2005, 04:14 PM
If it's true that Morse is being punished again for a violation he's already been punished for twice before, you don't see this as being a problem?

Nope. I think illegal steroid use is most appropriately dealt with by a lifetime ban, so even as is, I think he's getting off light.

John Galt
09-07-2005, 04:19 PM
I think it is helpful to distinguish substance and procedure in this case. Procedurally, this guy is getting a raw deal because he is being repeatedly punished for the same conduct. Substantively, you may feel his punishment is too light and so you don't really mind it.

I think procedurally, this is wrong, but substantively, I have no problem with the aggregate punishment level. I don't think it is at all inconsistent to say the system should be fixed so that this doesn't happen (and shouldn't have happened in this case) while also saying the overall punishment is still too light.

st.cronin
09-07-2005, 04:26 PM
I think it is helpful to distinguish substance and procedure in this case. Procedurally, this guy is getting a raw deal because he is being repeatedly punished for the same conduct. Substantively, you may feel his punishment is too light and so you don't really mind it.

I think procedurally, this is wrong, but substantively, I have no problem with the aggregate punishment level. I don't think it is at all inconsistent to say the system should be fixed so that this doesn't happen (and shouldn't have happened in this case) while also saying the overall punishment is still too light.

Agreed. In principal, of course it's insane to continue to be punished for that which you already have been punished for. But I have no sympathy at all for cheaters, even contrite cheaters.

SnowMan
09-07-2005, 04:55 PM
So what happens when a long time major leaguer gets nailed this year and then again next year twice for something he took last year when it was "legal?" Is he banned for one dose showing up three times? The other question is, do steroids really stay in your system that long?

kcchief19
09-07-2005, 05:27 PM
So, the gist of the argument in Morse's favor is that he so loaded himself with steroids between Nov. 2003 and Jan. 2004 that in May 2005 he was still testing positive for steroids?

It sounds to me like this isn't a case of baseball going too hard on him but not going hard enough. I find it difficult to believe that if he last used illegal steroids in Jan. 2004 that he would still test positive for 17 months later. The only thing that would make this likely is that Winstrol is a powerful steroid and he probably took more than he was "supposed" to.

I agree that it would be made easier if baseball used the same steroids policy in the majors and minors, but the minors has a tougher one than MLB's so it doesn't seem to make sense to dumb down the minor league testing policy because the MLBPA is too powerful.

This isn't a case of double or triple jeopardy. That's a case of the government trying you for the same crime. This isn't the government. This is a private entity that has said we don't want our athletes using steroids and here's the policy.

We're also not talking about a "supplement" -- Morse admitted to using Winstrol, which is not commercially available in the United States and must be imported for use on animals, primarily horses. Unless Morse starts standing in stall and chomping on hay, he ought to be lucky he's not going to jail instead of getting a 10-game slap on the wrist.

If he wants or somebody on his behalf wants to claim that he's being persecuted for the "same" crime, how about this -- Morse tells us how many times he shot himself up with an illegal steroid and we give him 10 games for each injection. My guess is he's coming out ahead in the deal. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

dawgfan
09-07-2005, 05:52 PM
So, the gist of the argument in Morse's favor is that he so loaded himself with steroids between Nov. 2003 and Jan. 2004 that in May 2005 he was still testing positive for steroids?

It sounds to me like this isn't a case of baseball going too hard on him but not going hard enough. I find it difficult to believe that if he last used illegal steroids in Jan. 2004 that he would still test positive for 17 months later. The only thing that would make this likely is that Winstrol is a powerful steroid and he probably took more than he was "supposed" to.

The positive MLB test happened a few months back (his appeal hearing was in mid-July), so it's more like 15 months. From research I've seen, this isn't at all out of the realm of possibility, especially for deca.

This isn't a case of double or triple jeopardy. That's a case of the government trying you for the same crime. This isn't the government. This is a private entity that has said we don't want our athletes using steroids and here's the policy.

Regardless of the entity, it's still double or triple jeapordy if he keeps getting punished for the same action rather than multiple different actions.

I can understand those that aren't sympathetic to him cheating, but proceduraly, if his story is true, he's getting screwed.

SirFozzie
09-07-2005, 06:07 PM
Here's the key points, straight from the arbitration panel's report:

# That Morse's positive test in May was "more likely than not" from the same use that led to each of his two minor-league suspensions.

# That it is "undisputed" that the low amount of the substance found when Morse tested positive in May has no performance-enhancing effect.

# That the evidence supports Morse's testimony that he last used steroids during the 2003-04 off-season.

"The panel recognizes that this result might be viewed as unfair to Michael Morse, a further suspension resulting from conduct which likely ended before the 2004 season began,"

Young Drachma
09-07-2005, 06:11 PM
Interesting story, and one that's being debated heatedly on various M's blog forums. If Rosenthal's story is accurate, there is some reason to believe that what Morse is saying is true, but it's also strange that this is the first time we've seen a player publicly proclaim a positive test resulted from use 1.5+ years prior.

If Morse really wants to generate sympathy for his story, he'll release the results of his test and we can see if the actual results and his story hold up under scrutiny by those that are experts on steroids.

If Morse's story holds up, this certainly exposes a nasty double-jeapordy issue with the MLB testing process.

I appreciate that he seems honest and didn't say 'it was some over the counter thing' he says what he did, seems to come clean and since he's a bit player, no one is thinking that he has some compelling reason to lie, short of clearing his (rather unknown until now) name.

Young Drachma
09-07-2005, 06:12 PM
Here's the key points, straight from the arbitration panel's report:

# That Morse's positive test in May was "more likely than not" from the same use that led to each of his two minor-league suspensions.

# That it is "undisputed" that the low amount of the substance found when Morse tested positive in May has no performance-enhancing effect.

# That the evidence supports Morse's testimony that he last used steroids during the 2003-04 off-season.

"The panel recognizes that this result might be viewed as unfair to Michael Morse, a further suspension resulting from conduct which likely ended before the 2004 season began,"

Yeah, everyone knows he's getting railroaded. But again, I appreciate the he's been forthright about it, rather than ducking or speaking legalese.

SirFozzie
09-07-2005, 07:35 PM
By the way, I hope to do a SGS Roundtable on this topic, so if you're a SGS writer, check the editorial board forum..

lynchjm24
09-07-2005, 08:33 PM
According to David Cameron who is an absolute expert on the Mariners minor league system, Morse has been a well known steroid abuser for years - since he was in Winston-Salem.

dawgfan
09-07-2005, 09:37 PM
According to David Cameron who is an absolute expert on the Mariners minor league system, Morse has been a well known steroid abuser for years - since he was in Winston-Salem.

Winston-Salem, the team he played for in 2003, the year Morse has admitted to taking steroids?

Cameron has long hinted that Morse was suspended in the minors for steroids, and this news today confirms that. Beyond that though, he's failed to give any reason why Morse's statement is not likely to be true.