Political/Religious(you've been warned): Katrina/Gaza Parallels

[Franklinnoble]

I am sharing this article because it draws some fascinating parallels between hurricane Katrina and the Gaza evacuation, and I found it thought provoking. If you do not care for thought-provoking, controversial world views other than your own, then just leave now. You have been warned.



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Wednesday, September 7, 2005


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Did God send Katrina
as revenge over Gaza?
Eerie parallels between forced evacuations spark speculation
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1:00 a.m. Eastern

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By Aaron Klein


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&copy; 2000 WorldNetDaily.com--> <!-- copyright --> © 2005 WorldNetDaily.com <!-- end copyright --> JERUSALEM – While most religious authorities seem to agree one cannot discern the intentions of God, there has been talk in some circles here and on the Internet the storm that turned parts of the Gulf Coast into a disaster zone, prompting hundreds of thousands to evacuate their homes and possibly causing upwards of 10,000 deaths, was thrust upon the U.S. for its support of the Gaza evacuation.

"Katrina is a consequence of the destruction of [Gaza's] Gush Katif [slate of Jewish communities] with America's urging and encouragement," Rabbi Avraham Shmuel Lewin, executive director of the Rabbinic Congress for Peace, told WND. "The U.S. should have discouraged Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon from implementing the Gaza evacuation rather than pushing for it and pressuring Israel into concessions."

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Lewin is one of many rabbis in Israel and abroad who have been making similar statements both in private and in speeches to their congregations.

Rabbi Joseph Garlitzky, head of the international Chabad Lubavitch movement's Tel Aviv synagogue, recounted for WND a pulpit speech he gave this past Sabbath:

"We don't have prophets who can tell us exactly what are God's ways, but when we see something so enormous as Katrina, I would say [President] Bush and [Secretary of State Condoleezza] Rice need to make an accounting of their actions, because something was done wrong by America in a big way. And here there are many obvious connections between the storm and the Gaza evacuation, which came right on top of each other. No one has permission to take away one inch of the land of Israel from the Jewish people."

Abraham, the biblical father of the Jews, received this promise from God in the book of Genesis: "I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed."

One week before Katrina made landfall, Israel carried out the evacuation of 9,500 residents from Gush Katif and four Samaria communities. Residents were forced from their homes by Israeli troops, some dragged away kicking and screaming and placed on buses that took them from the area. The majority of former Katif residents are currently homeless while the Israeli government struggles to find permanent housing solutions.

The Gaza withdrawal was backed by the U.S. government. Some Middle East analysts and senior Israeli politicians entirely attributed the evacuation plan to pressure coming from the American establishment.

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"I welcome the disengagement plan," stated Bush immediately following the announcement of the Gaza evacuation. "These steps will mark real progress toward realizing the vision I set forth in June 2002 of two states living side by side in peace and security."

Now, Garlitzky and many others here and on the Internet are pointing to what they call eerie similarities between Katrina and the evacuation of Gush Katif, including parallels in events, names and numbers:



[font=Palatino,]Close to 10,000 Jews were expelled from their homes in the Gaza Strip and parts of northern Samaria. Katrina's death toll is now expected to reach at least 10,000. [/font]
[font=Palatino,]America's population ratio to Israel is about 50:1. Ten thousand Jews who lost their Gaza homes is the equivalent of about 500,000 Americans who are now reported to be displaced as result of Katrina.[/font]
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New Orleans residents bob in flood waters awaiting rescue. (Photo: Times-Picayune)</td> </tr> </tbody></table>



[font=Palatino,]Gaza's Jewish communities were located in Israel's southern coastal region; America's southern coastal region now lies in ruins. [/font]
[font=Palatino,]The U.S. government called on Louisiana residents to evacuate their homes ahead of the storm. The Israeli government, backed by statements from U.S. officials, demanded Gaza residents evacuate their homes. [/font]
[font=Palatino,]Katrina, written in Hebrew, has a numerical equivalent of 374, according to a biblical numbering system upheld by all traditional Jewish authorities. Two relevant passages in the Torah share the exact numerical equivalent: "They have done you evil" (Gen. 50:17) and "The sea upon land" (Exodus 14:15). [/font]
[font=Palatino,]Bush, from Texas, and Rice, from Alabama, were the most vocal U.S. backers of the Gaza evacuation. Hurricane Katrina hit the states in between Texas and Alabama – Louisiana and Mississippi. [/font]
[font=Palatino,]Similarity in scenes: Many residents of Jewish Gaza climbed to their rooftops to escape the threat of expulsion, while residents of the Gulf Coast climbed on their own rooftops to protect themselves from the rising waters. Jewish Gaza homes described as beautiful and charming were demolished this week by Israel's military. Once beautiful homes in New Orleans now lie in ruins. [/font]
[font=Palatino,]The day Katrina hit, Israel began carrying out what was termed the most controversial aspect of the Gaza withdrawal – the uprooting of bodies from the area's Jewish cemetery. There have been media reports of corpses floating around in flooded New Orleans regions. [/font]
[font=Palatino,]Citizens of Israel were barred from entering Gush Katif; people were only allowed to leave Jewish Gaza. As Katrina was making landfall U.S. authorities barred citizens from entering the affected areas. People were only allowed out. [/font]
[font=Palatino,]Gush Katif was an important agricultural area for Israel, providing the Jewish state with 70 percent of its produce. A New Orleans port that exported much of the Midwest's agricultural production was destroyed by Katrina.[/font]
The connections have caused a firestorm of speculation on Internet blogs and in chat rooms.

In a Jerusalem Newswire op-ed (http://www.jerusalemnewswire.com/library/article.php?articleid=676) discussing the similarities just before Katrina made landfall, writer Stan Goodenough commented, "Is this some sort of bizarre coincidence? Not for those who believe in the God of the Bible and the immutability of His Word. What America is about to experience is the lifting of God's hand of protection, the implementation of His judgment on the nation most responsible for endangering the land and people of Israel.

"While the 'disengagement' plan was purportedly the brainchild of Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, the U.S. has for more than a decade been the chief sponsor and propeller of a diplomatic process that has dangerously weakened Israel in the face of an overwhelming, growing threat to annihilate her. ... Can't you see the link, America? Won't you see the link?"

Another Newswire piece quoted a Christian Louisiana resident in Katrina's direct path as stating, "[The hurricane is] a direct 'coming back on us' [for] what we did to Israel: a home for a home."

A blog on TheRaphi.com (http://www.theraphi.com/ppe/kak.html) by Mideast pundits Paul Eidelberg and Israel Hanukoglu linking Katrina to the Gaza evacuation warned, "We urge the American people to remind their president that the evil the nations do to Israel always strikes them. Pharaoh, Haman, Hitler and all the leaders of nations that have opposed the will of God for His people have perished or ended on the ash heaps of history."

Billye Brim, a Christian prayer leader and founder of Billye Brim Ministries who had visited Gush Katif weeks before its evacuation, noted on her website (http://www.billyebrim.org/KatrinaUpdate9205.htm): "Is there a connection between [Katrina and Gush Katif]? I believe so. Is this judgment? I believe so. And I must say it. Outright! Many wont like to hear it. Many wont agree. But I believe America is in danger and something has to be done. ... America needs to repent. From Bush, Rice and the State Department on down. America must repent for actively opposing God's plan for Israel as revealed in His Word."

WorldNetDaily the past week has received numerous letters from readers urging a Katrina-Gaza connection.

One letter stated, " I think you all are dancing around the real cause of the hurricane. Let me suggest to you that it is the wrath of God on our nation because President Bush pressured Sharon to take the homes from the Jews. ... I knew we would be punished on a large scale. I faxed letters and contacted Bush every way I could begging him not to go forward with that plan to evacuate Gaza but he did so anyway, and as a result we were hit in a week with a hurricane that will make history."

Perhaps the first to publicly connect Katrina to the Gaza evacuation was famed Israeli conspiracy theorist Barry Chamish, who sent a mass e-mail noting, "GUsh is like GUlf, and KATif is like KATrina. If you take 'KAT' from KATif and KATrina, you are left with 'IF' and 'RAIN.' If you support Gush Katif evacuation, it will rain."

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Chamish told WND yesterday: "Simple human beings cannot fully understand what is going on, but the events certainly must be connected. It's statistically impossible to have two such great natural disastrous like the recent tsunami in Asia and Katrina right after each other. This is the hand of God. He is saying something."

Jerusalem Kabbalist Rabbi David Batzri drew the parallel: "Divine retribution is meted out according to the principle of 'measure for measure,' just as the Jews were forced out of their homes as a result of U.S. pressure on Israel, so too are Americans being forced out of their homes."

But Rabbi Mordechai Greenwald, leader of a Jerusalem synagogue, said connections between the Gaza evacuation and Katrina should not be made.

"No rabbi can tell you why such a disaster struck," Greenwald told WND. "Doing so, making these statements, is dangerous and counterproductive. There have been debates the past 50 years for the reason of the Holocaust, and we still don't know what it was about. Some things we are not meant to know."

Greenwald said the religious leaders who publicly blame Katrina on U.S. support of the withdrawal "do not speak for the majority of rabbis. We cannot say who is being punished for what."

Meanwhile, some are urging the U.S. to ensure against what they say will be further damage in Gaza.

Lewin of the Congress for Peace told WND: "There are news reports that weather centers in the U.S. have predicted additional hurricanes on the way, some maybe even stronger than Katrina. Bush and Rice still have a chance to stem the tide of further punishment by at least pressing for Gaza not to be turned over to the Palestinians, which will allow terrorists to occupy the area that Israel evacuated. Although the damage of the destruction of Gush Katif was done, letting it serve as a terrorist base for al-Qaida and other anti-American and anti-Israeli groups will only bring more destruction and chaos in the region and the world over."

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[Chubby]

speculation among who? nutjobs? whoopee, who cares what sparks speculation among crackpots...

"Bush and Rice still have a chance to stem the tide of further punishment by at least pressing for Gaza not to be turned over to the Palestinians" = HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA yeah, that will do it

[SirFozzie]

And the folks who said that the picture of Katrina on radar looked like an 8 week old fetus.

Your point, besides regurgitating a Isreal-Centric view of the world?

[Joe]

lol

[KWhit]

Ummm... Wow.

At least you warned us. Thanks for that, FN.

[Raiders Army]

I think it's like the 9/11 symbology and stuff like that...anyone can "see" stuff that means something else. Does anyone else remember the devil's face in one of the twin tower's smoke?

[Joe]

what is world net daily? Never heard of that site before, is it some internet tabloid?

[SackAttack]

I don't think God takes that hands-on an approach anymore. Not to say He didn't once, but it's like when you've got an infant and you're teaching them to walk. You hold their hand, you guide them, but once they hit a certain age, they're on their own.

I think at this point God knows what's going to happen, and it plays into whatever plan He's got, but I think describing Katrina as a petty act of Almighty vengeance is overthinking things some.

[John Galt]

what is world net daily? Never heard of that site before, is it some internet tabloid?

The only time I have heard of it is when Bubba has posted articles from there.

[MrBigglesworth]

So while God didn't see fit to attack America with natural disasters back when we were enslaving Africans or killing Native Americans, but He did send a hurricane to kill people when we supported the evacuation of settlers who were illegally living on occupied land. Makes sense to me.

hxxp://www.sadlyno.com/archives/001752.html

what is world net daily? Never heard of that site before, is it some internet tabloid?
Commonly referred to as "WingNutDaily", WND is where the descriminating conservative goes to satisfy the "Two Minutes of Hate" itch. WND has also stated that there wouldn't of been NOLA looters if they taught the Ten Commandments in school (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46086), has blamed homosexuals for the hurricane (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46076), anddefended Robertson's comments about assassinating Chavez (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45961) (twice (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45985). And that is just a sample from the past two weeks.

[Buccaneer]

I don't think God takes that hands-on an approach anymore. Not to say He didn't once, but it's like when you've got an infant and you're teaching them to walk. You hold their hand, you guide them, but once they hit a certain age, they're on their own.

I think at this point God knows what's going to happen, and it plays into whatever plan He's got, but I think describing Katrina as a petty act of Almighty vengeance is overthinking things some.
I would agree with that except that we are never on our own (He will never leave us or abandon us).

Times of trials and tribulations are a way of showing God's love to those that are hurting, as well as for those turning to Him when bad things happen. It happens on a personal level all the way up to a national level (just read about the ancient Hebrews).

[Subby]

This is thought-provoking in the way it was thought-provoking when Ozzy bit the head off that bat.

[Galaxy]

Wow....

And somehow, some way, people will dispute this....

[WSUCougar]

YIKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think we better send some of our best crusaders to free the Holy Land from the infidels!

http://www.mwscomp.com/movies/grail/g-knight.jpg

[Buccaneer]

"No rabbi can tell you why such a disaster struck," Greenwald told WND. "Doing so, making these statements, is dangerous and counterproductive. There have been debates the past 50 years for the reason of the Holocaust, and we still don't know what it was about. Some things we are not meant to know."

At least someone over there is thinking.

[flere-imsaho]

I think it's equally likely that God is punishing Louisiana for voting for Bush last year. At least, that's what my god would do.

[Glengoyne]

I think it's equally likely that God is punishing Louisiana for voting for Bush last year. At least, that's what my god would do.
Just as likely a scenario in my mind, but then why wouldn't God have smitten Ohio instead? If you add all of the electoral votes together from the gulf states affected, do you wind up with enough to have made a difference? You might be onto something Flere. Well at least possibly something more than the guy who penned FN's article.

[kcchief19]

1969: Star Trek cancelled; Hurricane Camille strikes Gulf Coast

2005: Star Trek Enterprise cancelled; Hurricane Katrina strikes Gulf Coast

Coincidence? I think the Klingon religion community will tell you otherwise.

[Glengoyne]

1969: Star Trek cancelled; Hurricane Camille strikes Gulf Coast

2005: Star Trek Enterprise cancelled; Hurricane Katrina strikes Gulf Coast

Coincidence? I think the Klingon religion community will tell you otherwise.
Much more sensible than Flere's thoughts. Flere, I'm no longer backing your election theory. I'm running with the Chief on this one.

[st.cronin]

Except that Star Trek Enterprise SUCKED.

[CamEdwards]

you've all got it wrong. God was going after Zachary Toussaint of 2489 Poydras Street. He lied two weeks ago and told his wife he had to work late, and instead went to Big Daddy's in the Quarter for three hours.

God just wanted to make sure Zachary got the message.

[ISiddiqui]

Except that Star Trek Enterprise SUCKED.
You dare question the Klingon religion?! Heretic!

[Farrah Whitworth-Rahn]

Except that Star Trek Enterprise SUCKED.
Patrick Stewart is my God.

[JeffNights]

1969: Star Trek cancelled; Hurricane Camille strikes Gulf Coast

2005: Star Trek Enterprise cancelled; Hurricane Katrina strikes Gulf Coast

Coincidence? I think the Klingon religion community will tell you otherwise.


GREATEST.REASON.EVER.

[JeffNights]

Patrick Stewart is my God.

So when Arles says "Engage" ...its on!

[Farrah Whitworth-Rahn]

So when Arles says "Engage" ...its on!
Or when he calls me "Number Two" ;)

[RendeR]

I am sharing this article because it draws some fascinating parallels between hurricane Katrina and the Gaza evacuation, and I found it thought provoking. If you do not care for thought-provoking, controversial world views other than your own, then just leave now. You have been warned.


Well thanks for the warning, but there is nothing thought provoking or even mildly fascinating about this article. Wow, there are some numerical commonalities...too bad they're based on numbers that aren't known (as well as some that are baldly false). The death toll is not known, it is estimated and will probably fall far beyond the 10k mark they use in the news clips. There are nearly 1.2 million people in total who are now displaced and homeless because of the storm. Kinda makes the whole gaza strip situation look a bit small to me. The Isreali's didn't belong there to begin with and are finally being sent packing.

Indeed, so MANY similarities.(sarcasm intended)

When you find something with real factual evidince of God's wrath, give us a call.

Controversial? only if your talking about how rediculously petty you seem right now.

[RendeR]

DOLA:


sorry to the rest of you..I actually wrote a serious reply...I should have been more cocky and funny...

[Peregrine]

you've all got it wrong. God was going after Zachary Toussaint of 2489 Poydras Street. He lied two weeks ago and told his wife he had to work late, and instead went to Big Daddy's in the Quarter for three hours.

God just wanted to make sure Zachary got the message.

Nice one, Cam. :)

[JeffNights]

Or when he calls me "Number Two" ;)


We have a non-believeing poser!!!

EVERYBODY knows that its "Number One"....


Infidel!

[Farrah Whitworth-Rahn]

We have a non-believeing poser!!!

EVERYBODY knows that its "Number One"....


Infidel!
I'm so ashamed. http://dynamic.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/frown.gif

[JeffNights]

I'm so ashamed. http://dynamic.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/frown.gif


::Rips off Farrah's communicator::

[Solecismic]

I think you can always find a number of parallels between any two events that you can use to further your own personal agenda.

My personal feelings about this article are that if anyone seriously believes their god perpetrated this kind of assault for any reason, they need to take a hard look at their own hearts.

Whatever happened to "judge not...?"

[-Mojo Jojo-]

Except that Star Trek Enterprise SUCKED.

Are you implying the original series didn't?

[duckman]

Thanks for the laugh, Franky!

[SirFozzie]

::Rips off Farrah's communicator::

Jeff.. how could you..

Now we'll never get her into that 7 of 9 costume...

[SackAttack]

I would agree with that except that we are never on our own (He will never leave us or abandon us).

Times of trials and tribulations are a way of showing God's love to those that are hurting, as well as for those turning to Him when bad things happen. It happens on a personal level all the way up to a national level (just read about the ancient Hebrews).

I phrased that badly, I think.

I didn't mean to imply that God would abandon us. Do good parents abandon their children? Of course not.

But once the children hit a certain age, the parents also no longer hold the child's hand while crossing a street. They don't tie the kid's shoes for them, they don't wipe the kid's nose and ass anymore, either.

That's what I meant by "on their own." There comes a time when they have to make their own choices and follow through with them, to start taking responsibility for their own actions. Like one's parents, God is always there, of course, but He isn't front and center anymore, scurrying around to make sure we don't stick forks in electric outlets.

[MrBigglesworth]

I think you can always find a number of parallels between any two events that you can use to further your own personal agenda.

My personal feelings about this article are that if anyone seriously believes their god perpetrated this kind of assault for any reason, they need to take a hard look at their own hearts.

Whatever happened to "judge not...?"
Yeah, isn't this Old Testament wrath? I thought that God left when Jesus came? That's what I am always told about Leviticus.

[Ryan S]

Seems more like fantasy than politics. :rolleyes:

[panerd]

So all of those prophets who do the weather and said weeks ago this storm was forming and may breach the levee in New Orleans they are like modern day apostles, right? Al Roker 8:23 says "Don't take Dunkin Donuts name in vain"

[stevew]

Is worldnetdaily blocked by some peoples work filters?

[yabanci]

"GUsh is like GUlf, and KATif is like KATrina. If you take 'KAT' from KATif and KATrina, you are left with 'IF' and 'RAIN.' If you support Gush Katif evacuation, it will rain."

With bulletproof reasoning like this, who would dare argue? Very thought provoking indeed.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Or when he calls me "Number Two" ;)
So, uh, who's his "Number One"?

[Honolulu_Blue]

I think kcchief19's response is pretty much as good as it gets here. But, just so I can keep track...

1. Some nut jobs on the religious right believe god borught the hurricane onto New Orleans because of the abortions done there, the gays/lesbians, etc. Drawing Sodom/Gamorrah parallels (despite the fact that is evidence in the Bible saying that god would never do such a thing)

2. Islamic Extremists believe that god (allah) sent the Hurricane to punish America for what it's doing in Iraq

3. Certain Israelis believe that god sent Katrina to punish us for supporting the evacuation of Gaza.

4. Lesser known, but equally valid, God was going after Zachary Toussaint of 2489 Poydras Street. He lied two weeks ago and told his wife he had to work late, and instead went to Big Daddy's in the Quarter for three hours.

Any others out there?

[stevew]

I think kcchief19's response is pretty much as good as it gets here. But, just so I can keep track...

1. Some nut jobs on the religious right believe god borught the hurricane onto New Orleans because of the abortions done there, the gays/lesbians, etc. Drawing Sodom/Gamorrah parallels (despite the fact that is evidence in the Bible saying that god would never do such a thing)

2. Islamic Extremists believe that god (allah) sent the Hurricane to punish America for what it's doing in Iraq

3. Certain Israelis believe that god sent Katrina to punish us for supporting the evacuation of Gaza.

4. Lesser known, but equally valid, God was going after Zachary Toussaint of 2489 Poydras Street. He lied two weeks ago and told his wife he had to work late, and instead went to Big Daddy's in the Quarter for three hours.

Any others out there?
I think #4 is the likely reason for this entire mess.

[Bee]

Are you implying the original series didn't?

The original series sucked in a classic way.

BTW, you gotta love a board that turns an attempt at a heated religious/political debate into a discussion of Star Trek. :D

[Subby]

Cam, as usual, wins.

[digamma]

I think kcchief19's response is pretty much as good as it gets here. But, just so I can keep track...

1. Some nut jobs on the religious right believe god borught the hurricane onto New Orleans because of the abortions done there, the gays/lesbians, etc. Drawing Sodom/Gamorrah parallels (despite the fact that is evidence in the Bible saying that god would never do such a thing)

2. Islamic Extremists believe that god (allah) sent the Hurricane to punish America for what it's doing in Iraq

3. Certain Israelis believe that god sent Katrina to punish us for supporting the evacuation of Gaza.

4. Lesser known, but equally valid, God was going after Zachary Toussaint of 2489 Poydras Street. He lied two weeks ago and told his wife he had to work late, and instead went to Big Daddy's in the Quarter for three hours.

Any others out there?5. George Bush caused the hurricane. He doesn't like black people.

6. You're crazy, man. Bill Clinton caused the hurricane. He thought it could get him laid--being black and feeling their pain and all.

[Blackadar]

I thought this article was supposed to be "thought provoking"?

I personally think the Flying Spaghetti Monster took revenge against the Gulf Coast for Cajun cooking. It was too much of a threat to his chosen, the Italian people and their assorted food groups. Pasta must be worshipped!

[flere-imsaho]

Just as likely a scenario in my mind, but then why wouldn't God have smitten Ohio instead?

Ohio has Cleveland, so God feels he's smitten them enough.

[flere-imsaho]

Much more sensible than Flere's thoughts. Flere, I'm no longer backing your election theory. I'm running with the Chief on this one.

I don't blame you. He presents a compelling argument. I'm very tempted to ditch mine in favor of his.

[Crapshoot]

I thought this article was supposed to be "thought provoking"?

I personally think the Flying Spaghetti Monster took revenge against the Gulf Coast for Cajun cooking. It was too much of a threat to his chosen, the Italian people and their assorted food groups. Pasta must be worshipped!

Its Franklin talking "politics" - never any worry about being "thought-provoking".

[Riggins44]

If god still took an active role in punishing people, he surely would have punished all the people who made Fabio a star.

"I can't believe it's not butter"

[Honolulu_Blue]

I am sharing this article because it draws some fascinating parallels between hurricane Katrina and the Gaza evacuation, and I found it thought provoking. If you do not care for thought-provoking, controversial world views other than your own, then just leave now.These words you are using. I do not think they mean, what you think they mean.

[Klinglerware]

If god still took an active role in punishing people, he surely would have punished all the people who made Fabio a star.

"I can't believe it's not butter"

Unless Fabio is really the messiah, of course...

[kcchief19]

Now that I'm not punch drunk, I'll come up with my less serious reply.

Correct me if I'm wrong, Sandy, but if I recall, didn't God in the Bible promise after the flood that he would never again use a flood to punish man? Granted, that leaves a lot of grey area of things a vengeful god could use to punish man. But since it wasn't the storm but the flood that devestated New Orleans, it would appear that either myself or good the people of the Daily Worker Net lack an elementary understanding of the Bible. Considering that I'm not a holier-than-thou religious type, I'm guessing it's them.

[Blackadar]

Now that I'm not punch drunk, I'll come up with my less serious reply.

Correct me if I'm wrong, Sandy, but if I recall, didn't God in the Bible promise after the flood that he would never again use a flood to punish man? Granted, that leaves a lot of grey area of things a vengeful god could use to punish man. But since it wasn't the storm but the flood that devestated New Orleans, it would appear that either myself or good the people of the Daily Worker Net lack an elementary understanding of the Bible. Considering that I'm not a holier-than-thou religious type, I'm guessing it's them.

Roper and Ebert give this two thumbs up!

[Honolulu_Blue]

Now that I'm not punch drunk, I'll come up with my less serious reply.

Correct me if I'm wrong, Sandy, but if I recall, didn't God in the Bible promise after the flood that he would never again use a flood to punish man? Granted, that leaves a lot of grey area of things a vengeful god could use to punish man. But since it wasn't the storm but the flood that devestated New Orleans, it would appear that either myself or good the people of the Daily Worker Net lack an elementary understanding of the Bible. Considering that I'm not a holier-than-thou religious type, I'm guessing it's them.This exactly true and, I think, brought up in the infamous and deceased original "Katrina" thread.

Basically here's how it goes:

Following the whole flood/Noah's Ark thing God said the following:

Gen 8:21 The LORD smelled the soothing aroma; and
the LORD said to Himself, "I will never again curse
the ground on account of man, for the intent of man's
heart is evil from his youth; and I will never again
destroy every living thing, as I have done.

Genesis 9:11. And I (the LORD) will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth."

So, based on that pretty clear passage, anyone who believes in the bible and thinks that god had any hand in what happened with this hurricane is either 1) calling God a liar or 2) implying he just renegs on his promises?

Also, some people (not the Gaza people, I think) were claiming that this flood was god's way of punishing the sinners in New Orleans, abortionists, gays, etc., etc. However, what about all the good Christians in New Orleans? Or the people in rural Louisiana, Alabama,and Mississippi, the people living in the belt buckle of the Bibe Belt? What about them?

This leads to our next lesson in Bible 101. I suppose these turd fuckers would equate New Orleans with Sodom and Gamorah. Hrmmm...

Let's see what happened before God came in and put the hurt on the bad people in Sodom...

Gen 18:22 Then the men turned away from there and
went toward Sodom, while Abraham was still standing
before the LORD.

Gen 18:23 Abraham came near and said, "Will You
indeed sweep away the righteous with the wicked?

Gen 18:24 "Suppose there are fifty righteous within
the city; will You indeed sweep it away and not spare
the place for the sake of the fifty righteous who are
in it?

Gen 18:25 "Far be it from You to do such a thing, to
slay the righteous with the wicked, so that the
righteous and the wicked are treated alike. Far be it
from You! Shall not the Judge of all the earth deal
justly?"

Gen 18:26 So the LORD said, "If I find in Sodom fifty
righteous within the city, then I will spare the whole
place on their account."

Gen 18:27 And Abraham replied, "Now behold, I have
ventured to speak to the Lord, although I am but dust
and ashes.

Gen: 28 "Suppose the fifty righteous are lacking five,
will You destroy the whole city because of five?" And
He said, "I will not destroy it if I find forty-five
there."

Gen 18:29 He spoke to Him yet again and said, "Suppose
forty are found there?" And He said, "I will not do it
on account of the forty."

Gen 18:30 Then he said, "Oh may the Lord not be
angry, and I shall speak; suppose thirty are found
there?" And He said, "I will not do it if I find
thirty there."

Gen 18:31 And he said, "Now behold, I have ventured
to speak to the Lord; suppose twenty are found there?"
And He said, "I will not destroy it on account of the
twenty."

Gen 18:32 Then he said, "Oh may the Lord not be
angry, and I shall speak only this once; suppose ten
are found there?" And He said, "I will not destroy it
on account of the ten."

So, either there were absolutely no "righteous" people at all in these areas, or God has become a bit harsher in his old age.

Being smug and righteous about the deaths of thousands of people is fucking pathetic and shameful.

[John Galt]

Now that I'm not punch drunk, I'll come up with my less serious reply.

Correct me if I'm wrong, Sandy, but if I recall, didn't God in the Bible promise after the flood that he would never again use a flood to punish man? Granted, that leaves a lot of grey area of things a vengeful god could use to punish man. But since it wasn't the storm but the flood that devestated New Orleans, it would appear that either myself or good the people of the Daily Worker Net lack an elementary understanding of the Bible. Considering that I'm not a holier-than-thou religious type, I'm guessing it's them.

Strangely (and I'm sure the numerologists can read into this), it is in Genesis 9:11.

"And I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth."

[Klinglerware]

the Daily Worker Net

Nice touch! Are those guys the Trotskyists or the Leninists, I get 'em mixed up...

[Antmeister]

Considering that some of the posters of this community have possibly lost homes and/or friends/family, I don't think this article is appropriate for this time. The content doesn't really bother me as much as the fact that is seems a little insensitive.

[Ksyrup]

You guys are nuts; this article speaks the truth. Just like when we lost to Iran in soccer a few years back, it proved that we are The Great Satan. I mean, why else would God let us lose a soccer game to Iran?

[Crapshoot]

So in other words, the self-proclaimed born again Christian knows even less about the bible than someone who did a google search. That's brilliant.

[Franklinnoble]

So in other words, the self-proclaimed born again Christian knows even less about the bible than someone who did a google search. That's brilliant.
No, you "brilliant people" can't even read the entire passage you've googled.

God said he wouldn't flood the entire Earth again. Read carefully.

[Honolulu_Blue]

No, you "brilliant people" can't even read the entire passage you've googled.

God said he wouldn't flood the entire Earth again. Read carefully.
Ohhh! So part of the Earth = yes; the entire Earth = No. The devil is, indeed, in the details.

I had no idea God was an attorney.

And people are puzzled as to why I'm an athiest.

[Franklinnoble]

Ohhh! So part of the Earth = yes; the entire Earth = No. The devil is, indeed, in the details.

I had no idea God was an attorney.

And people are puzzled as to why I'm an athiest.
Why do you presume that God would not be exact in the details?

I don't know if God sent the hurrican to New Orleans. And I certainly don't think anyone there "deserved" the disaster any more than the rest of us (because, in my opinion, we're all sinners). But I do know that the jews are God's chosen people (no, I'm not jewish), and that it is unwise to ally ourselves against them.

[Subby]

So what is God's take on the QOTM crisis?

[jeff061]

I liked it better when I thought religion was some far away thing practiced by a small minority. Ignorance was bliss.

Now you people scare me.

[Blackadar]

Can you tell us which team God said would win the next Super Bowl?

[John Galt]

Why do you presume that God would not be exact in the details?

I don't know if God sent the hurrican to New Orleans. And I certainly don't think anyone there "deserved" the disaster any more than the rest of us (because, in my opinion, we're all sinners). But I do know that the jews are God's chosen people (no, I'm not jewish), and that it is unwise to ally ourselves against them.

That's funny. I thought lesbians were god's chosen people. That's why they have the lowest rates of HIV infection.

[flere-imsaho]

Can you tell us which team God said would win the next Super Bowl?

I don't know, but he's sure got a think for smiting Bears quarterbacks.

[Klinglerware]

I don't know, but he's sure got a think for smiting Bears quarterbacks.

Maybe it had something to do with Jim McMahon's utter disregard for the BYU honor code...

[HomerJSimpson]

And the Winner of this thread is......


Cam!!!


Congradulations Cam, for making the best comment in an idiotic thread. Your card-board cookie and nude pictures of Bea Authur is being sent to New Orleans to help in the disaster relief effort.

[CamEdwards]

I've already got nude pictures of Bea Arthur. Can I get some Estelle Getty instead? That way I can complete my "Golden Girls Gone Wild" collection.

Thx.

[Franklinnoble]

Well, I'm glad everyone's had a good laugh at my expense. But I've made my point - there's a double-standard when it comes to bannings and suspensions around here. I guess if I've been around a few years and I have 10,000 + posts I can post an unpopular opinion without getting slapped. I can make personal attacks on other members and get away with it.

But if you're new, I guess you'd better make a few thousand comments in the dynasty or strategy forums before you try to mouth off here. Because only elitists are allowed to have their own opinion. The rest of you had better follow the other sheep around here if you want to keep on posting.

[st.cronin]

Well, I'm glad everyone's had a good laugh at my expense. But I've made my point - there's a double-standard when it comes to bannings and suspensions around here. I guess if I've been around a few years and I have 10,000 + posts I can post an unpopular opinion without getting slapped. I can make personal attacks on other members and get away with it.

But if you're new, I guess you'd better make a few thousand comments in the dynasty or strategy forums before you try to mouth off here. Because only elitists are allowed to have their own opinion. The rest of you had better follow the other sheep around here if you want to keep on posting.

Really, aren't there more important things to get bent out of shape about?

[Subby]

Well, I'm glad everyone's had a good laugh at my expense. But I've made my point - there's a double-standard when it comes to bannings and suspensions around here. I guess if I've been around a few years and I have 10,000 + posts I can post an unpopular opinion without getting slapped. I can make personal attacks on other members and get away with it.

But if you're new, I guess you'd better make a few thousand comments in the dynasty or strategy forums before you try to mouth off here. Because only elitists are allowed to have their own opinion. The rest of you had better follow the other sheep around here if you want to keep on posting.
Yawn.

[digamma]

Well, I'm glad everyone's had a good laugh at my expense. But I've made my point - there's a double-standard when it comes to bannings and suspensions around here. I guess if I've been around a few years and I have 10,000 + posts I can post an unpopular opinion without getting slapped. I can make personal attacks on other members and get away with it.

But if you're new, I guess you'd better make a few thousand comments in the dynasty or strategy forums before you try to mouth off here. Because only elitists are allowed to have their own opinion. The rest of you had better follow the other sheep around here if you want to keep on posting.
Dude, I've stayed out of this whole thing, but if you can't see the difference between what she posted and what you posted (in tone and tact (as well as content (and I'm not talking about the article itself))), then there's probably not much more to say on the matter.

[Blackadar]

Well, I'm glad everyone's had a good laugh at my expense. But I've made my point - there's a double-standard when it comes to bannings and suspensions around here. I guess if I've been around a few years and I have 10,000 + posts I can post an unpopular opinion without getting slapped. I can make personal attacks on other members and get away with it.

But if you're new, I guess you'd better make a few thousand comments in the dynasty or strategy forums before you try to mouth off here. Because only elitists are allowed to have their own opinion. The rest of you had better follow the other sheep around here if you want to keep on posting.

No, you haven't made a point. That you're posting the same kind of mindless drivel - without the vitriol - that your wife did earlier means that we're just not going to take it seriously. What you did was blatently obvious and no one needed to take the bait because everyone took it for what it was - an absurd attempt to cause more drama. We're simply laughing at you.

Frankly, if you don't like it here, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

[timmynausea]

You know, speaking of problems with the moderation here, I sent in a formal request to have a chili cook off death match to permanently eliminate one of the Honolulu Blues and
I was completely ignored.

[Kodos]

I think, if God actually does exist (a big IF for me), that there are going to be a lot of very surprised people in the end who find out that he doesn't really support those who try to justify their hate by twisting various passages from the Bible to fit their hate-filled worldview. Anyone who thinks that New Orleans was justifiably smited by God because of his hatred for homosexuals (or whatever else) can go straight to hell in my opinion.

[Honolulu_Blue]

You know, speaking of problems with the moderation here, I sent in a formal request to have a chili cook off death match to permanently eliminate one of the Honolulu Blues and
I was completely ignored.
OMFG!!! :eek:

[wade moore]

Where is the dead horse emoticon from IHOF when you need it?

[Anthony]

religion is the worst. ugh.

Spoon boy: Do not try and bend the spoon. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth.
Neo: What truth?
Spoon boy: There is no spoon.
Neo: There is no spoon?
Spoon boy: Then you'll see, that it is not the spoon that bends, it is only yourself.

[timmynausea]

OMFG!!! :eek:

Well, I was planning on wagering a fortune on your chili if it makes you feel any better.

[Swaggs]

http://webpages.charter.net/blackpowdereer/deadhorse.gif

[Honolulu_Blue]

<INPUT onclick=\"doEmoticon(this.form.body,eList,6);return false;\" type=image alt=:bdh src="http://www.thematiskas.com/emoticons/beatdeadhorse.gif">

[Anthony]

God says this topic is getting really fucking boring.

it says so in the Bible.

[stevew]

http://users.zoominternet.net/~stevedubbya/deadhorse.gif

[Honolulu_Blue]

Well, I was planning on wagering a fortune on your chili if it makes you feel any better.
Actually, it does. Thanks!

In fact, it has forced me to break out into spontaneous song:

My chilli brings all the girls to the yard,
and they're like,
its better than yours,
damn right its better than yours,
I can teach you,
but I have to charge

I know you want it,
the thing that makes me,
what the girls go crazy for.
They lose their minds,
the way i wind,
i think its time

[Chorus x2]
la la-la la la,
warm it up.
lala-lalala,
the girls are waiting

My chilli brings all the girls to the yard,
and they're like,
its better than yours,
damn right its better than yours,
i can teach you,
but i have to charge

i can see youre on it,
you want me to teach the
techniques that freaks these girls,
it can't be bought,
just know, thieves get caught,
watch if your smart,

[Chorus x2]
la la-la la la,
warm it up,
la la-la la la,
the girls are waiting,

My chilli brings all the girls to the yard,
and they're like,
its better than yours,
damn right its better than yours,
i can teach you,
but i have to charge

Once you get involved,
everyone will look this way-so,
you must maintain your charm,
same time maintain your halo,
just get the perfect blend,
plus what you have within,
then next her eyes are squint,
then she's picked up your scent,

[Chorus x2]
lala-lalala,
warm it up,
lala-lalala,
the girls are waiting,

My chilli brings all the girls to the yard,
and they're like,
its better than yours,
damn right its better than yours,
i can teach you,
but i have to charge

[Subby]

God says this topic is getting really fucking boring.

it says so in the Bible. Sucks when you're not the center of attention, huh? :)

[Bee]

God says this topic is getting really fucking boring.

it says so in the Bible.

I have to agree with God on this one.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Sucks when you're not the center of attention, huh? :)
Ohhhh.... SNAP!

[Anthony]

Sucks when you're not the center of attention, huh? :)

i'm more exciting than this fucking nonsense.

"All Eyez On Me"
-Tupac

[John Galt]

Dude, I've stayed out of this whole thing, but if you can't see the difference between what she posted and what you posted (in tone and tact (as well as content (and I'm not talking about the article itself))), then there's probably not much more to say on the matter.

Not to mention she posted her crap in places it didn't fit (like NoMyths poem thread).

[Galaxy]

Sucks when you're not the center of attention, huh? :)
BA-ZING!

[Icy]

Uhh so God exists? shit i feel so bad now, i should go back to church to have my brain washed again as when i was a kid.

[st.cronin]

Uhh so God exists? shit i feel so bad now, i should go back to church to have my brain washed again as when i was a kid.

Now, now. Let's not paint all religion with the same brush. There are many fofcers with varying degrees of faith.

[Icy]

Now, now. Let's not paint all religion with the same brush. There are many fofcers with varying degrees of faith.

Ok, thought on what i wrote above and it could sound harsh, i'm sorry if anybody feels offended but it's my opinion about gods and religions.

If you believe good for you, i envy the ppl who believes and that helps them in the bad moments in life, but for me, after studing in a religious (catholic christian) school for years, after having my brain washed to the point i wanted to become priest, etc, religion=sect, good that i realized it soon enought. Some religions are good some are worst, but they caused most of the problems and wars in the world and keep doing it.

If you could get the best from each religion and create one, it could be great, but then the humans would use that words for their own interest as always and would start to fight each others.

[Ryan S]

Well, I'm glad everyone's had a good laugh at my expense. But I've made my point - there's a double-standard when it comes to bannings and suspensions around here. I guess if I've been around a few years and I have 10,000 + posts I can post an unpopular opinion without getting slapped. I can make personal attacks on other members and get away with it.

But if you're new, I guess you'd better make a few thousand comments in the dynasty or strategy forums before you try to mouth off here. Because only elitists are allowed to have their own opinion. The rest of you had better follow the other sheep around here if you want to keep on posting.Of course there is a double standard. Freedom of speech does not exist here. This is not the USA, this is a message board.

If a user visits this board with what appears to be the sole intent of getting involved in political threads, they are not the kind of person we want visiting our site. Those kind of people provoke the worst in everybody, and start the kind of shitstorms we have seen in the past week or two.

I know Cap posted in other threads, but I really do not care. She came here, she got seriously involved in political threads and got reported more in one week than Hell Atlantic has managed in five years. The fact that she is married to another forum member makes me even more certain that this was premeditated. (indeed, some doubt she even exists and believe that you are the author of her posts)

You seem to be getting terribly bent out of shape over a 3 day suspension. Honestly, you would think I pushed her in front of a firing squad.

[Bee]

Honestly, you would think I pushed her in front of a firing squad.
It's still not too late...

:D

[stevew]

Of course there is a double standard. Freedom of speech does not exist here. This is not the USA, this is a message board.

If a user visits this board with what appears to be the sole intent of getting involved in political threads, they are not the kind of person we want visiting our site. Those kind of people provoke the worst in everybody, and start the kind of shitstorms we have seen in the past week or two.

I know Cap posted in other threads, but I really do not care. She came here, she got seriously involved in political threads and got reported more in one week than Hell Atlantic has managed in five years. The fact that she is married to another forum member makes me even more certain that this was premeditated. (indeed, some doubt she even exists and believe that you are the author of her posts)

You seem to be getting terribly bent out of shape over a 3 day suspension. Honestly, you would think I pushed her in front of a firing squad.

3 days? Man, you are a pisspoor dictator.

[RendeR]

Why does everyone keep trying to convince him?

He doesn't want to open his eyes.

His wife got her ass handed to her for trolling, he doesn't believe she was trolling, he never will.

As long as she has his peppers in a jar, he'll never even TRY to be objective.

[Glengoyne]

You know, speaking of problems with the moderation here, I sent in a formal request to have a chili cook off death match to permanently eliminate one of the Honolulu Blues and
I was completely ignored.
This is really why we need QOTM again.

[Klinglerware]

Why does everyone keep trying to convince him?

He doesn't want to open his eyes.

His wife got her ass handed to her for trolling, he doesn't believe she was trolling, he never will.

As long as she has his peppers in a jar, he'll never even TRY to be objective.

Your post in one of the other threads sums up the situation perfectly


Diagram seems simple:

Franklin brings wife to board as Caspicum

Capsicum begins internet message board life as a trolling trouble maker

Capsicum is set upon by other members tired of trolls starting shit

Franklin living with said troll gets backlash from his wife

Franklin goes into a tizzy because his life is now hell thanks to his/her decision to join the board



Did I miss anything?

[Franklinnoble]

Why does everyone keep trying to convince him?

He doesn't want to open his eyes.

His wife got her ass handed to her for trolling, he doesn't believe she was trolling, he never will.

As long as she has his peppers in a jar, he'll never even TRY to be objective.
She got boxed for posting a provocative point of view, and Ryan has already admitted there's a double-standard here. The rest of you seem to be OK with that.

I suppose if it were your wife being attacked and discriminated against, you'd just throw her under the bus and avoid making yourself unpopular with the rest of the children here. After all, real men with balls don't stick up for their wives, right? Guess I should grow a pair and just stand back and let her take care of herself...

[Blackadar]

She got boxed for posting a provocative point of view, and Ryan has already admitted there's a double-standard here. The rest of you seem to be OK with that.

I suppose if it were your wife being attacked and discriminated against, you'd just throw her under the bus and avoid making yourself unpopular with the rest of the children here. After all, real men with balls don't stick up for their wives, right? Guess I should grow a pair and just stand back and let her take care of herself...

Oooh...the "real man" argument. I guess you should just grow a pair in the first place.

She got boxed for being a troll and she brought it all on by herself. Have her go join the club of "discriminated" users like HornsManiac, Wignifty, GroundCat and the rest. :rolleyes:

[HomerJSimpson]

Isn't Frank basically admitting he trolled by posting this thread? Isn't that an automatic banning? I know it was in the past.

[stevew]

in before the lock.

[Blackadar]

in before the lock.

IBL for short.

[stevew]

IBL for short.
Thanks for the clarification.

[flere-imsaho]

No way, it's IBTL.

[Klinglerware]

She got boxed for posting a provocative point of view, and Ryan has already admitted there's a double-standard here. The rest of you seem to be OK with that.



Well, the article you posted did not refer to the victims of the hurricane as "arrogant ******s". It seems relatively easy to see why Capsicum's post could be seen as crossing the line beyond mere provacation...

[miked]

She got boxed for posting a provocative point of view, and Ryan has already admitted there's a double-standard here. The rest of you seem to be OK with that.

I suppose if it were your wife being attacked and discriminated against, you'd just throw her under the bus and avoid making yourself unpopular with the rest of the children here. After all, real men with balls don't stick up for their wives, right? Guess I should grow a pair and just stand back and let her take care of herself...

Jeez, this is an internet message board. I'm talking about a message board, man. It's not like it matters. Man. It's just a message board.

Get over yourself. She's not being discriminated against, she's being punished for coming on the board with the sole intent of causing ruckus (rucki, for plural). She did not post anything provactive, unless you are a KKK member reading that BS she posted in the NO poem thread.

If you think she's getting a raw deal and it means that much to you, then take your business elsewhere. It's just a message board. You sound like a 5yr old whining about a 10 minute time out.

[Ryan S]

She got boxed for posting a provocative point of view, and Ryan has already admitted there's a double-standard here. The rest of you seem to be OK with that.
We don't need newbies posting "provocative" political points of view on a text sim game message board. Cap's posts were pure trolling, and they succeeded spectacularly with multiple threads getting shot to hell.

I am willing to give a little more leeway to members who have been around these parts forever because I know that they did not join the board looking for a fight, but there are always limits. That is a sensible "double standard".

I suspect that most other members don't care about this issue because they are never going to fall foul of the rules

[Honolulu_Blue]

I am willing to give a little more leeway to members who have been around these parts forever because I know that they did not join the board looking for a fight, but there are always limits. That is a sensible "double standard".

I tried to explain why this makes sense in one of those earlier threads... But, I'll try again.

I guess you could call it a double-standard, but I think it's just more accurate to call it "human nature." In life, 1,000 times more so on an "anonymous" message board like this, we can only judge people by their words and actions. If I've known someone for a long time and they start spouting some stupid shit or start acting "the fool", I'll tend to give them the benefit of the doubt. It's usually a matter of "I know this person, this isn't how they normally act" or "Yeah, he has his quirks, but he's generally ok." Experience allows us to make informed judgments about people.

So, if a person you've never met before walks into the room and they start spouting some stupid shit or start acting "the fool", you're much more inclined to say "Woah, that dude's an asshole. What's his problem? I don't wanna be around /that/ guy." Even though his behavoir was no different then the person you've known for years/months or what have you.

It's not elitism, it's just real life.

[Bee]

Isn't Frank basically admitting he trolled by posting this thread? Isn't that an automatic banning? I know it was in the past.

I noticed this as well, but he did such a poor job of trolling I'm not sure it counts.

[Subby]

blahblahblah....attacked and discriminated against...blahblahblah Why FranklinNoble, you sound like an honest-to-goodness dyed-in-the-wool whiney-ass liberal.

Welcome to the left! http://dynamic.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Franklinnoble]

Jeez, this is an internet message board. I'm talking about a message board, man. It's not like it matters. Man. It's just a message board.

Get over yourself. She's not being discriminated against, she's being punished for coming on the board with the sole intent of causing ruckus (rucki, for plural). She did not post anything provactive, unless you are a KKK member reading that BS she posted in the NO poem thread.

If you think she's getting a raw deal and it means that much to you, then take your business elsewhere. It's just a message board. You sound like a 5yr old whining about a 10 minute time out.
First, she didn't come here to cause a ruckus. She came here to try to balance the pervasive liberal slant on this board, and she was looking forward to having someplace to chat during football season. She also posted on a number of other topics, which everyone has seen fit to completely ignore.

Second, the problem isn't the name calling, and it isn't the three-day suspension. It's the implication that if she comes back and continues to be herself, she's going to continue to get suspended, while the rest of us can behave in a similar fasion and not face any suspension at all.

For a long time, I'd simply turned a blind eye around here to most of the topics I found offensive, and most of the opinions I disagreed with. I had no problem ignoring the pro-gay, pro-abortion, anti-God, anti-Bush crap that gets posted here daily. Then I saw my wife post a dissenting opinion and get shouted down for it. So if I'm going to spend any time on here, I'm going to make a point of disagreeing with everyone who has an offensive opinion and I'm going to draw attention to it the same way you drew attention to her. Then, maybe, you'll see how ugly your behavior has been.

[Ksyrup]

Dude, I've stayed out of this whole thing, but if you can't see the difference between what she posted and what you posted (in tone and tact (as well as content (and I'm not talking about the article itself))), then there's probably not much more to say on the matter.
Don't mind me, I just wanted to acknowledge a fine bit of parentheses usage.

[John Galt]

the pervasive liberal slant on this board

LOL. That may be the funniest joke you have ever told.

[Bee]

I think whining should be a banning offense...

[Esquared1]

I know that I don't post here often . . . instances such as this contribute to this. I admit, I agree a lot with John Galt, so what ever he said, I would only be beating the dead horse myself.

A wise friend once said "You cannot be a victim your whole life." Seems to fit. People may not agree. That is life. Maybe one can look at a suspension as a way to realize that we need to "agree to disagree."

I now go under my rock. I even tried to open a gambling thread to divert our attention, but that did not work. Let's talk about something fun.

Edit - I again agree with JG's last remark. In fact, this is the first thread in a while where traditionally liberal and conservative minded people agreed.

[Crapshoot]

She came here to try to balance the pervasive liberal slant on this board,

Compared to you Franklin, James Dobson is a lefty. This is the dumbest thing you've said today. the OOTP boards ? fairly liberal - without a doubt. FOFC ? More conservative IMO.

[st.cronin]

I think it's truly bizarre that anybody could consider the US to be anti-Israel.

[Honolulu_Blue]

LOL. That may be the funniest joke you have ever told.
My toughts exactly. Why in the HELL don't we have a QOTM and why isn't anyone lobbying for this?

[Ksyrup]

My toughts exactly. Why in the HELL don't we have a QOTM and why isn't anyone lobbying for this?
Wouldn't FN be the one lobbying for it?

[Klinglerware]

I tried to explain why this makes sense in one of those earlier threads... But, I'll try again.

I guess you could call it a double-standard, but I think it's just more accurate to call it "human nature." In life, 1,000 times more so on an "anonymous" message board like this, we can only judge people by their words and actions. If I've known someone for a long time and they start spouting some stupid shit or start acting "the fool", I'll tend to give them the benefit of the doubt. It's usually a matter of "I know this person, this isn't how they normally act" or "Yeah, he has his quirks, but he's generally ok." Experience allows us to make informed judgments about people.

So, if a person you've never met before walks into the room and they start spouting some stupid shit or start acting "the fool", you're much more inclined to say "Woah, that dude's an asshole. What's his problem? I don't wanna be around /that/ guy." Even though his behavoir was no different then the person you've known for years/months or what have you.

It's not elitism, it's just real life.


Wow, that kind of sounds like an application of Bayes' Theorem. Who knew?

[MrBigglesworth]

For a long time, I'd simply turned a blind eye around here to most of the topics I found offensive, and most of the opinions I disagreed with. I had no problem ignoring the pro-gay, pro-abortion, anti-God, anti-Bush crap that gets posted here daily. Then I saw my wife post a dissenting opinion and get shouted down for it.
Kittens are cute / kittens are not cute = dissenting opinions.

Kittens are cute / God created disease and natural disasters to punish kittens because gay people like them, and because you touch yourself at night = a little more than dissenting opinions

[Honolulu_Blue]

Wouldn't FN be the one lobbying for it?
Was a time when that was so. Seems like our man has picked up a new banner to crusade under nowadays... Hence, the question.

[Blackadar]

First, she didn't come here to cause a ruckus. She came here to try to balance the pervasive liberal slant on this board, and she was looking forward to having someplace to chat during football season. She also posted on a number of other topics, which everyone has seen fit to completely ignore.

Let's dissect this, shall we?

So she only managed to totally screw up half of the topics on which she posted? And this is something to be proud of? Is this better than her normal "leave a trail of shit" ratio on other message boards? Inquiring minds want to know.

Second, the problem isn't the name calling, and it isn't the three-day suspension. It's the implication that if she comes back and continues to be herself, she's going to continue to get suspended, while the rest of us can behave in a similar fasion and not face any suspension at all.

Ryan has already explained this ad nauseum. He's made very good 3 posts in this thread alone. You don't get it because you don't want to get it.

For a long time, I'd simply turned a blind eye around here to most of the topics I found offensive, and most of the opinions I disagreed with. I had no problem ignoring the pro-gay, pro-abortion, anti-God, anti-Bush crap that gets posted here daily. Then I saw my wife post a dissenting opinion and get shouted down for it.

Bubba Wheels
JMIG
Arles
Franklinassnoble
CamEdwards
st cronin

'nuff said. You lose.

So if I'm going to spend any time on here, I'm going to make a point of disagreeing with everyone who has an offensive opinion and I'm going to draw attention to it the same way you drew attention to her. Then, maybe, you'll see how ugly your behavior has been.

This seems to be an overt admission that you're here simply to troll. I'd suggest that you stop spending any time on here.

[Subby]

First, she didn't come here to cause a ruckus. She came here to try to balance the pervasive liberal slant on this board... That's a stupid fucking reason to come to our board and now I am glad she got booted. I hope if this continues to be her intent she gets barred for good.

We have a common bond here - sports text sims. We didn't come here to balance out some stupid political debate. The political stuff is an offshoot.

If she wants to balance out the "pervasive liberal slant" (which, btw, is total persecution-complex level bullshit) then tell her to go hang out at the fucking oprah.com board.

[Antmeister]

First, she didn't come here to cause a ruckus. She came here to try to balance the pervasive liberal slant on this board, and she was looking forward to having someplace to chat during football season. She also posted on a number of other topics, which everyone has seen fit to completely ignore...

Franklin, I understand that you are sticking up for your wife and that is commendable. But you seem to ignore the fact that even CamEdwards thought that post, before the suspension, was a horrible post. It is amazing to me that you keep arguing about how there is this strong liberal force that is tramping down on your ideals only to ignore the conservative voices who are telling you that capisicum's post went too far.

Plus you also seem to ignore the fact that there were a few people responded to her other posts that were less offensive. In fact, my wife even contributed to her recipe thread, but I guess you think everyone is against you and your wife. No. We were only against what was posted.

What happened to the old FranklinNoble, who quoted the well known theological thinker of our time; the Ladies Man?

[timmynausea]

The liberal slant has come a long way. Give yourselves a pat on the back fellow liberals. We're finally getting some credit.

[Radii]

I do think its extremely important to note that while FN is saying his wife got banned because of dissenting opinions and the hatred of a "liberal leaning board", that there are people on all sides of the political fence who find her to be offensive and a pure troll. It's not just the liberals.

Also, while I agree there is a well deserved double standard on thsi board(if your first post is filled with hatred, I don't think you deserve the same treatment as a respected member of the board with 2000 posts blowing a gasket one day and saying something that is clearly out of character for that person)... anyway.. I have over 4000 posts, but if I had an 80 post run like capsicum did, I would deserve a permanent ban, my history on the board be damned.

And finally, "being a man" and "defending your wife's honor" on a message board is a big load of horse shit, espicially for the reasons that she is under attack here. Lets say I was in a bar with my wife and politics came up and my wife suggested(to a group of diverse people, races/income levels, etc) that poor black people in new orleans aren't gracious when they receive our help so fuck 'em and threw in the N word at the same time. When that crowd gets mad at her, My job is to get her the fuck out of that bar safely. I'm not going to defend her statements. I may make a comment if people start using terrible slurs in her direction, but honestly, if she does that, my concern is not her "honor" but her physical safety, and I'll do what I can to protect her physical safety, but I'll be damned if that means fighting everyone in the bar and threatening them when we can just walk out. What you are doing and what you appear to be advocating, is having your wife run into an NAACP meeting and shout "YOU'RE ALL A BUNCH OF NIG----", and walk away, and when that crowd gets violent, you apparently want to walk into that crowd and explain why they're all idiots for not allowing her dissention. Have fun with that!

[Galaxy]

I always though we had a more conversative forum....

[Galaxy]

She got boxed for posting a provocative point of view, and Ryan has already admitted there's a double-standard here. The rest of you seem to be OK with that.

I suppose if it were your wife being attacked and discriminated against, you'd just throw her under the bus and avoid making yourself unpopular with the rest of the children here. After all, real men with balls don't stick up for their wives, right? Guess I should grow a pair and just stand back and let her take care of herself...

Sounds like Hell Atlantic's "treat a lady, be a real man" argument...Only later he made a interesting quote that challenge his stance in the Wive Pic's thread.

[Ksyrup]

I always though we had a more conversative forum....
I always thought things were fairly balanced here. Compared to the few other boards I frequent, this is clearly the most conservative. Now, those other board are music-related, so it stands to reason they'd be more liberal-leaning. So, I can't say we have the most conservative "text sim" board, but all in all, there's more conservative support here than I've seen any place else I post.

[dawgfan]

I always thought things were fairly balanced here. Compared to the few other boards I frequent, this is clearly the most conservative. Now, those other board are music-related, so it stands to reason they'd be more liberal-leaning. So, I can't say we have the most conservative "text sim" board, but all in all, there's more conservative support here than I've seen any place else I post.

I think it's relatively balanced, perhaps slightly to the right, but then again I'm more liberal so I'm not the best judge. It's less conservative than the Husky fan site forum I frequent, that's for sure...

[heybrad]

Also, while I agree there is a well deserved double standard on this board(if your first post is filled with hatred, I don't think you deserve the same treatment as a respected member of the board with 2000 posts blowing a gasket one day and saying something that is clearly out of character for that person)
Well.. if thats the case, let me tell you that you are all a bunch of lying, no-good, rotten, four-flushing, low-life, snake-licking, dirt-eating, inbred, overstuffed, ignorant, blood-sucking, dog-kissing, brainless, dickless, hopeless, heartless, fat-ass, bug-eyed, stiff-legged, spotty-lipped, worm-headed sack of monkey shits.


Just thought I'd get my freebee out of the way.

;)

[digamma]

Don't mind me, I just wanted to acknowledge a fine bit of parentheses usage.
I was quite proud of it.

[kurtism]

Well.. if thats the case, let me tell you that you are all a bunch of lying, no-good, rotten, four-flushing, low-life, snake-licking, dirt-eating, inbred, overstuffed, ignorant, blood-sucking, dog-kissing, brainless, dickless, hopeless, heartless, fat-ass, bug-eyed, stiff-legged, spotty-lipped, worm-headed sack of monkey shits.


Just thought I'd get my freebee out of the way.

;)

You forgot "Hallelujah!"

[Ksyrup]

I was quite proud of it.
As well you should be.

[Antmeister]

Well.. if thats the case, let me tell you that you are all a bunch of lying, no-good, rotten, four-flushing, low-life, snake-licking, dirt-eating, inbred, overstuffed, ignorant, blood-sucking, dog-kissing, brainless, dickless, hopeless, heartless, fat-ass, bug-eyed, stiff-legged, spotty-lipped, worm-headed sack of monkey shits.


Just thought I'd get my freebee out of the way.

;)


You only got a 1000 posts. For every 1000 posts, you are allowed 4 insults. It seems you went a little overboard and deserve a suspension at this moment. :p

[Anthony]

Sounds like Hell Atlantic's "treat a lady, be a real man" argument...Only later he made a interesting quote that challenge his stance in the Wive Pic's thread.

i didn't direct it towards her. i didn't say "hey, you're tits are huge and i want to bounce small fruit off them", i made the comment to him.

and there may just come a time when i say something off-color to a female around here, so what. i don't say disrespectful things to female posters. i try to have some semblence of boundaries. and even if i did make a "you got big tits" comment to a female here - there's a difference between vulgar posts made in the interests of humor and good fun and posts that blatantly disrespect someone. people know what they're getting when they read my posts, if they get offended so be it, ignore my posts.

[Ksyrup]

"Four-flushing"? :confused:

[Bee]

Well.. if thats the case, let me tell you that you are all a bunch of lying, no-good, rotten, four-flushing, low-life, snake-licking, dirt-eating, inbred, overstuffed, ignorant, blood-sucking, dog-kissing, brainless, dickless, hopeless, heartless, fat-ass, bug-eyed, stiff-legged, spotty-lipped, worm-headed sack of monkey shits.


Just thought I'd get my freebee out of the way.

;)

Just a note...

You don't have 2000 posts.
:p

oh...and
hey brad!

Edit Dammit! Antmeister beat me to it...I guess I type way too slow. :(

[kurtism]

i didn't direct it towards her. i didn't say "hey, you're tits are huge and i want to bounce small fruit off them", i made the comment to him.

and there may just come a time when i say something off-color to a female around here, so what. i don't say disrespectful things to female posters. i try to have some semblence of boundaries. and even if i did make a "you got big tits" comment to a female here - there's a difference between vulgar posts made in the interests of humor and good fun and posts that blatantly disrespect someone. people know what they're getting when they read my posts, if they get offended so be it, ignore my posts.

I'm pretty sure this entire post is the logical/grammatical equivalent of matter and anti-matter colliding. The consequences could be dire, indeed.

[Antmeister]

i didn't direct it towards her. i didn't say "hey, you're tits are huge and i want to bounce small fruit off them", i made the comment to him.

and there may just come a time when i say something off-color to a female around here, so what. i don't say disrespectful things to female posters. i try to have some semblence of boundaries. and even if i did make a "you got big tits" comment to a female here - there's a difference between vulgar posts made in the interests of humor and good fun and posts that blatantly disrespect someone. people know what they're getting when they read my posts, if they get offended so be it, ignore my posts.


Oh.....I get it. You are respectful when it comes to speaking to a female directly, but when their backs are turned, you are allowed free reign to call them anything in the book of HA. Interesting....that is a sign of how to treat a lady in my book. :D

[Franklinnoble]

That's a stupid fucking reason to come to our board and now I am glad she got booted. I hope if this continues to be her intent she gets barred for good.

We have a common bond here - sports text sims. We didn't come here to balance out some stupid political debate. The political stuff is an offshoot.

If she wants to balance out the "pervasive liberal slant" (which, btw, is total persecution-complex level bullshit) then tell her to go hang out at the fucking oprah.com board.
There are lots of people on here who have NEVER played any of the FOF games, and lots who have never played a text sim of any kind. It's not like I have to enter my TCY purchase order code to register here. Considering the fact that I've spent enough time to have over 10,000 posts under this handle in about three years, I see no reason why it would be at all unusual for my wife to want to see what it was all about and maybe share a little time here with me.

The real problem is people don't like her point of view, and now you're all making up excuses for your poor behavior. Justify it all you want - the facts remain. Others make comments here that can be just as offensive and inflammatory on a very regular basis, and they get away with it.

[Schmidty]

I just want everyone to know that it's possible to be a Christian (or a person of another faith) and not be a lunatic. I know that certain people make that difficlut to believe, but it's true.

That's all, and I'm out of this awful thread.

[KWhit]

Others make comments here that can be just as offensive and inflammatory on a very regular basis, and they get away with it.
I personally don't remember a more inflammatory post that the one she posted that she "found on another message board."

[Schmidty]

I personally don't remember a more inflammatory post that the one she posted that she "found on another message board."

What was that one guy's name who used to post the Nazi flag and stuff? He was pretty bad.

[Anthony]

bragggggadocious.

give or take a "g".

[Schmidty]

bragggggadocious.

That's right. He used to always post with angry face too if I remember correctly.

[Antmeister]

I really don't think FN cares....just an educated guess . I think he just wants to see if he can get a thread locked because he is not really paying attention to or responding to people who have made the best points. He seems to respond to the post that are slightly inflammatory, so that he won't have to respond to the ones he can't really argue against.

[SirFozzie]

I'm sorry, I could get no further then "pervasive liberal slant" and then I started laughing my ass off, Franklin.

WTH were you thinking?

[KWhit]

bragggggadocious.

give or take a "g".
I don't remember him. May have been before my time. Or I just blocked it out of my mind.

[Schmidty]

I just want everyone to know that it's possible to be a Christian (or a person of another faith) and not be a lunatic. I know that certain people make that difficlut to believe, but it's true.

That's all, and I'm out of this awful thread.

Actually, I just wanted to present the perfect example of the above: Revrew.

[Ksyrup]

If a thread becomes completely circular, do we gain additional posts in our post count if we continue posting, or do we just recycle the posts that are already in our post count?

[dawgfan]

The real problem is people don't like her point of view, and now you're all making up excuses for your poor behavior. Justify it all you want - the facts remain. Others make comments here that can be just as offensive and inflammatory on a very regular basis, and they get away with it.

Let's see, who's got the clearest view here - you, her husband, or virtually everyone else on the board who thought a high percentage of her posts were worthless trolling. Hmmm...



The "fact" is Franklin, it wasn't just the nature of the things she posted, it was also how she posted them. The one about New Orleans being punished, and was San Francisco next was so poorly framed as to make it look like she was endorsing this position.

Until and unless she can start doing a better job of framing her posts to clarify between someone else's opinion and something she herself endorses, she's going to be viewed as a troll for posting such inflammatory stuff. Coming back after the she's set the place on fire and saying "Oh gee, that came out wrong - I didn't mean it like that" doesn't hold a lot of credence, especially when it happens so often with her posts.

Yes, other people post here that don't have much or anything to do with sports text sims, but you also don't see them purposely trying to stir up shit, which is what you've admitted she came here to do (and that you're trying to do yourself).

[JeeberD]

bragggggadocious.

give or take a "g".

i thought is was bragadociousssssssssss. but i could be wrong...

[dawgfan]

i thought is was bragadociousssssssssss. but i could be wrong...

I believe that's closer to what it was. I was one of the ones that happened to be reading the forum that night that he went whacko with the nazi imagery - what a bizarre time that was...

[sabotai]

That's right. He used to always post with angry face too if I remember correctly.
Braggg used to catch a lot of hell for his posts too. I know he was banned at least once by Blackie (and all of his nazi pic posts were edited).

I remembered when that all happened. He started a thread basically saying that this guy at Best Buy was coming on to him because the customer mentioned something about his ex-boyfriend (and nothing else). Man, did we have fun with that one. He lost it, posted a bunch of nazi pics, got himself banned......good times, good times.

[Schmidty]

I believe that's closer to what it was. I was one of the ones that happened to be reading the forum that night that he went whacko with the nazi imagery - what a bizarre time that was...

Didn't he also put up KKK pictures of lynchings and stuff. I think I recall being horrified and really suprised.

[Schmidty]

Braggg used to catch a lot of hell for his posts too. I know he was banned at least once by Blackie (and all of his nazi pic posts were edited).

I remembered when that all happened. He started a thread basically saying that this guy at Best Buy was coming on to him because the customer mentioned something about his ex-boyfriend (and nothing else). Man, did we have fun with that one. He lost it, posted a bunch of nazi pics, got himself banned......good times, good times.

YEAH!!! And he posted a pic of himself, where he looked like a gay cowboy too. :D


edited to make sure that the Liberals who pervade this board realize that I'm ok with gay cowboys. ;)

[timmynausea]

That was before the Liberal Slant came in here and cleaned this place up. We run a pretty tight ship.

[sabotai]

YEAH!!! And he posted a pic of himself, where he looked like a gay cowboy too. :D
Yup. And then Darkiller linked to a commercial with a gay guy in a cowboy hat and dedicated it to Braggg. :D

[dawgfan]

Didn't he also put up KKK pictures of lynchings and stuff. I think I recall being horrified and really suprised.

I don't remember all of the pics, but they were bad. I think you're right though.

That said, I also thought it was amusing and rather clever when he posted the lyrics to Tool's song "Die Eier Von Satan" and everyone went ballistic saying he was a nazi.

For those that aren't familiar with the song, it's a spoken word piece in german, with the speaker acting like a fanatical leader egging on a crowd, complete with crowd noises cheering him.

If you translate the lyrics, it's a recipe for making a cake.

Just like those people that listen to that song and assume it's somehow related to facism and nazis, he was trying to make the point that he was similarly being persecuted for things that were misinterpreted. He was wrong - he deserved the scorn he got for the offensive images he posted - but it was still a clever response.

[Swaggs]

I, for one, am glad that capiscum came to the board and got everyone all fired up and that Franklin defended her like a knight in shinking armor. It is not like there is anything else going on in the world, like a huge natural disaster in the United States that has displaced hundreds of thousands and killed thousands of people, or college football starting up, or the NFL getting ready to have its first game, or the NHL getting ready to start up again, or MLB pennant races.

If it weren't for Franklin and his wife, how else would we be able to keep this board on topic?

[Ryche]

Just my own thought about god and take it as you will, but I have no interest in worshipping a god who would kill 10,000+ innocent people vindictively, let alone because because the government of those people supported moving a few thousand people in hopes of bring some peace to an unsettled area of the world. That god can kiss my a**

[Galaxy]

Oh.....I get it. You are respectful when it comes to speaking to a female directly, but when their backs are turned, you are allowed free reign to call them anything in the book of HA. Interesting....that is a sign of how to treat a lady in my book. :D

LOL.

[duckman]

Bubba Wheels
JMIG
Arles
Franklinassnoble
CamEdwards
st cronin

'nuff said. You lose.Fuck you, Blackie! :mad:

I should be on that list, too! I'm just as conservative as rest of those jerkoffs! Fuck you and the horse you rode in on! I hope God comes down on His white horse and smite you, asshole!

































;)

[Chubby]

First, she didn't come here to cause a ruckus. She came here to try to balance the pervasive liberal slant on this board

ok, that's as far as I got before I started rolling on the floor in laughter...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA pervasive liberal slant on this board HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[kcchief19]

Well, I'm glad everyone's had a good laugh at my expense. But I've made my point - there's a double-standard when it comes to bannings and suspensions around here. I guess if I've been around a few years and I have 10,000 + posts I can post an unpopular opinion without getting slapped. I can make personal attacks on other members and get away with it.

But if you're new, I guess you'd better make a few thousand comments in the dynasty or strategy forums before you try to mouth off here. Because only elitists are allowed to have their own opinion. The rest of you had better follow the other sheep around here if you want to keep on posting. Anybody else read this as an admission that he was trolling trying to get people riled up by proving that you can get away with more if you have 10,000 posts than you can if you start trolling on yoru first post?

Can you go ahead and post some porn, get boxed, create an alias and post under a different name so SkyDog and Ryan can have a reason to ban you and end this junior high school slap party once and for all? Or make it easier on us and and just copy and paste this every time you post: "Hey, everybody! Look at me! Hello! I'm over here! Look at me! PLEASE!"

[RendeR]

There are lots of people on here who have NEVER played any of the FOF games, and lots who have never played a text sim of any kind. It's not like I have to enter my TCY purchase order code to register here. Considering the fact that I've spent enough time to have over 10,000 posts under this handle in about three years, I see no reason why it would be at all unusual for my wife to want to see what it was all about and maybe share a little time here with me.

See now here you make sense, My wife was the same way, she saw how much I enjoyed coming here and taking part and wanted to also.

The real problem is people don't like her point of view, and now you're all making up excuses for your poor behavior. Justify it all you want - the facts remain. Others make comments here that can be just as offensive and inflammatory on a very regular basis, and they get away with it.

HERE on the other hand is where you refuse to be objective because she's your wife.

My wife posts comments in the high risk threads fairly regularly, she states her opinions and even when those opinions are diametrically opposed she's never managed to piss off a SINGLE member of this board. What does it tell you when your wife's first dozen posts pissed off a MAJORITY of the board and got her boxed, if even in error?

Frank, for crying out loud, add up the numbers man, its not her opinions people here are pissed off about, its her lousy fucking attitude and complete disinterst in using more tact than a rutting ram.

She's new, no one knew her, she posted things that were malignant without ANY real remorse for doing so. "I should have worded that differently" might be ok if people knew her style or understood her to begin with, but constantly using that to cover her intentional inflammatory comments is just plain pathetic.

SHe brought it on herself. If you can't accept it, take your jar and go home.

[-Mojo Jojo-]

This board needs a sticky post for hall of fame threads. Nothing beats message board drama. Well, maybe a few things..

[Calis]

See I made it past pervasive liberal slant.

What got me was pro-abortion, that one does every time I see it.