Tampa Bay Buccaneers

[nfg22]

So anyone else think they are about to get rocked...I heard bill simmons said they would go 10-6...only solidifies my view that he has lost all his brains

[Draft Dodger]

well, they have a pretty week 1st half schedule (ALL of their division games are in the 2nd half of the season). and, in my opinion, that division isn't going to be as strong as people think it can be. so yeah, I can see them gaining some momentum and doing some damage in the 2nd half.

wouldn't bet on it, but wouldn't surprise me...

[nfg22]

Still...no Oline...Defense is degrading, Grease isnt premier...Cadilac is unproven....

[timbuc2]

you monkeyface, the Bucs are going to be really good. Pretty much you have lost all your brains. Cadillac is doing donuts on your front lawn right now.

[vex]

yeah, you monkeyface you.

[nfg22]

Hey Timbucs2...Cadlilac will break down...and Culpepper will start to actually throw more completions to his own team than the other...oh wait im a bucs fan now because all the Vikings do is suck...no matter what...Go Moss and the raiders...and Go bucs...and does anyone know a plastic surgeon? I look like a monkey in the face

[Draft Dodger]

do I win?

[timbuc2]

you are a monkeyface, and culpepper makes Joey Harrington look like Joey Montana

[nfg22]

do I win?
nope...u misspelled weak and that invalidates your whole statement...

[nfg22]

you are a monkeyface, and culpepper makes Joey Harrington look like Joey Montana

Speaking of montana did u see brady?

[timbuc2]

what?!?!?!? must i seriously go over this! Brady is only like montana in that they both have "a" in their last name, just like you have dumb for your middle name.

[sabotai]

I could see TB going 10-6. They only have 5 games that I see being a big problem for them (2 vs. Carolina, 2 vs. Atlanta and 1 vs. New England). The rest of their games are against average or worse teams. If they win one or two of those games they're not supposed to win, they could easily go 10-6.

[Anthony]

what?!?!?!? must i seriously go over this! Brady is only like montana in that they both have "a" in their last name, just like you have dumb for your middle name.

*sigh* :(

[nfg22]

what?!?!?!? must i seriously go over this! Brady is only like montana in that they both have "a" in their last name, just like you have dumb for your middle name.

yeah well you eat poop...and brady is better than montana...3 superbowls...

He is amazing...I mean culpepper is black and he isnt as good as brady...I think brady bleaches his skin...

[sabotai]

When did we start letting 6 year olds on this board?

[nfg22]

Basically I was wrong and I try to cover that up by being stupid...I apologize...

[timbuc2]

you were wrong, and you are stupid. But thats ok, there are lots of stupid people.

[timbuc2]

you said you are a bucs fan now?

[nfg22]

Seriously though...does anyone think Cadilac has a chance at over 1,500 yards.

I think the defenses will start keying in on him, but the defense is solid, the bucs have a shot at the playoffs. Grrr...I wish Gruden would have a stroke...

[nfg22]

Dola, and Yes I am a bucs fan now. I am so done with the vikings. Especially without the most physically gifted reciever to ever step on the field.

[timbuc2]

thier o-line has really suprised me. They have looked really solid after the first half of the viking game. And Caddy rushed for so much on that bills defense. I think they could take the nfc south, but its still a bit too early to predict that much i guess

[nfg22]

thier o-line has really suprised me. They have looked really solid after the first half of the viking game. And Caddy rushed for so much on that bills defense. I think they could take the nfc south, but its still a bit too early to predict that much i guess

I think they need to trade 3 first round picks and get dungy back. :p

[Draft Dodger]

When did we start letting 6 year olds on this board?

Join Date: 01-08-2001

[RendeR]

yeah well you eat poop...and brady is better than montana...3 superbowls...

He is amazing...I mean culpepper is black and he isnt as good as brady...I think brady bleaches his skin...


This one statement bothers me a bit...umm...how is brady's 3 super bowls BETTER than montana's FOUR?

Lets check....


ITS NOT.

Montana kicks Brady's smug michigan ass all over the stat board. brady is NOT that level of QB. Sorry dude. damnit I hate it when people make me DEFEND Joe Montana, I HATE Joe Montana...fucking 2 minutes...two god damn minutes.....

[RendeR]

Dola, and Yes I am a bucs fan now. I am so done with the vikings. Especially without the most physically gifted reciever to ever step on the field.


Too bad his million dollar physique and hands never thought to build up that 50 cent brain of his.

[nfg22]

This one statement bothers me a bit...umm...how is brady's 3 super bowls BETTER than montana's FOUR?

Lets check....


ITS NOT.

Montana kicks Brady's smug michigan ass all over the stat board. brady is NOT that level of QB. Sorry dude. damnit I hate it when people make me DEFEND Joe Montana, I HATE Joe Montana...fucking 2 minutes...two god damn minutes.....

Dude look at brady...He can run faster than Vick, he throws better than Marino and has better intangibles than Montana...oh wait. I forgot to say I hate brady, he is overhyped and is nothing but a roleplayer...

[sabotai]

I get people making comparisons between Brady and Montana. I see how Brady is SIMILAR to Montana....but better? Heh, no chance.

[nfg22]

Too bad his million dollar physique and hands never thought to build up that 50 cent brain of his.

Too bad he still has better stats than anyone...how many TDs in basically 8 games last year...

Who was the only reciever to average 100 yards and a td in a game in one season? Not Rice...although Rice was better overall, it was Moss..

[sabotai]

Brady can run faster than Vick......are you high?

[timbuc2]

yeah brady is a role player, but i think he would not be nearly so good in pretty much any other offensive scheme

[nfg22]

Brady can run faster than Vick......are you high?

Did you not read the whole thing? I hate brady I was being sarcastic...

[RendeR]

Too bad he still has better stats than anyone...how many TDs in basically 8 games last year...

Who was the only reciever to average 100 yards and a td in a game in one season? Not Rice...although Rice was better overall, it was Moss..


I don't give a rats ass how amazing his stats have been, that 50 cent noodle clocking around in that rust bucket brain case of his makes him a LIABILITY. You didn't see the Vikes get to the big show WITH him did you? Granted they certainly won't without him either, but he's certainly not amazing enough to put a team into that level of competition.

Moss is an ass and a selfish ass at that.

When he decides to play every down, you give us a call ;)

[Draft Dodger]

this thread is wrong in so many ways

[sabotai]

Did you not read the whole thing?
Yes.

I hate brady I was being sarcastic...
You made it easy to tell....

[RendeR]

Randy Moss == Single most unbelievably wasted pure talent in the NFL

[nfg22]

I don't give a rats ass how amazing his stats have been, that 50 cent noodle cloakcing around in that rust bucket brain case of his makes him a LIABILITY. You didn't see the Vikes get to the big show WITH him did you? Granted they certainly won't without him either, but he's certainly not amazing enough to put a team into that level of competition.

Moss is an ass and a selfish ass at that.

When he decides to play every down, you give us a call ;)

Liability? ok lets look at this...

He has better stats than anyone, So catching TD's is a liability.

To the fact that every QB with him ever has had awesome stats with him. Even Jeff George...and Gus Ferotte...

If he only plays half the downs yet does better, doesnt that make him even better?

Personally I would take a man that plays half way and still puts up better stats, cause seriously its about the points and he comes through there...The vikings didnt fail on offense, they failed on D.

[timbuc2]

what? just because he had a kicker who choked in 98 is not his fault. Moss is the most talented WR out there right now, and even when he is not tryin he is still scoring td's in the defense's face.

[nfg22]

So basically...what your saying is the patriots recievers are better than moss because they have rings? a ring is an accomplishment but not a pure measure of talent...

[nfg22]

Year Team G GS No Yards Avg Lg TD 20+ 40+ FD
1998 Minnesota Vikings 16 11 69 1313 19.0 61 17 20 14 51
1999 Minnesota Vikings 16 16 80 1413 17.7 67 11 26 8 52
2000 Minnesota Vikings 16 16 77 1437 18.7 78 15 25 8 58
2001 Minnesota Vikings 16 16 82 1233 15.0 73 10 14 4 59
2002 Minnesota Vikings 16 16 106 1347 12.7 60 7 19 6 66
2003 Minnesota Vikings 16 16 111 1632 14.7 72 17 27 6 76
2004 Minnesota Vikings 13 13 49 767 15.7 82 13 11 6 43
2005 Oakland Raiders 2 2 10 257 25.7 73 2 4 2 7
TOTAL 111 106 584 9399 16.1 82 92 146 54 412


14 plays over 40 yards...do you realize what that means?...I dont see how you can hate on him...Oh realize that he had 6 or maybe more QBs in all this time...

[Neuqua]

This thread has me confused.

[timbuc2]

ok guys and girls, i wont lie to you. Me and nfg22 are actually friends and roomates. He just introduced me to this board. It is a pretty sweet site. So we were just having some laughs at each other's expense. You will notice i started defending him near the end...

[ISiddiqui]

Moss is an amazing WR. But the haters won't give him his due. They'll be bitching and moaning all the way till he gets inducted to the Hall of Fame.

[timbuc2]

I think they need to trade 3 first round picks and get dungy back. :p

you are a loser..... ;)

[rkmsuf]

uh, two roommates calling each other monkeyface.

not that there's anything wrong with that.

[Samdari]

Liability? ok lets look at this...

He has better stats than anyone, So catching TD's is a liability.

To the fact that every QB with him ever has had awesome stats with him. Even Jeff George...and Gus Ferotte...

If he only plays half the downs yet does better, doesnt that make him even better?

Personally I would take a man that plays half way and still puts up better stats, cause seriously its about the points and he comes through there...The vikings didnt fail on offense, they failed on D.

To a certain extend you are right. Expending effort on only half the downs and putting up best-in-the-league stats speaks to his amazing talent. He is, without question, the most talented football player I have ever seen. A lot of people disagree with me, but I have never seen anyone else who could do whatever they wanted on the field, seemingly at will.

But I agree with the liability statement to a certain extent (at least with the Vikes, its hard to call anyone else a liability on a team with Kerry Collins). If he had played to his full ability, I believe that the Minnesota offense the past few years would have been the best ever, good enough to win at least one Super Bowl, even with that mediocre defense, and average running backs. In my mind, Moss is a player who cost Minnesota championships by being (lets call it what it is) lazy, he's not the kind of player who will lead a team to championships.

[Fonzie]

What is going on here? http://dynamic.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif

[JeeberD]

TROLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ban 'em both, SD!!!

[ISiddiqui]

In my mind, Moss is a player who cost Minnesota championships by being (lets call it what it is) lazy, he's not the kind of player who will lead a team to championships.
And at the same time, Moss is a player who led Minnesota to the playoffs by his immense talent. The reason they were in such a position to go for championships was because of Moss.

[TroyF]

TB is a solid team. Good running game, decent QB, solid defense. They aren't a fluke. They'll win 11 games, not 10.

[Dutch]

A 2-0 start does not give fans (of any previous 5-11 team) carte blanche to start trash talking. Especially when they have only beaten the Vikings (w/o Moss) and the Bills (w/o OJ).

But I hope they keep on winning. It's just better that way. :D

[TroyF]

To a certain extend you are right. Expending effort on only half the downs and putting up best-in-the-league stats speaks to his amazing talent. He is, without question, the most talented football player I have ever seen. A lot of people disagree with me, but I have never seen anyone else who could do whatever they wanted on the field, seemingly at will.

But I agree with the liability statement to a certain extent (at least with the Vikes, its hard to call anyone else a liability on a team with Kerry Collins). If he had played to his full ability, I believe that the Minnesota offense the past few years would have been the best ever, good enough to win at least one Super Bowl, even with that mediocre defense, and average running backs. In my mind, Moss is a player who cost Minnesota championships by being (lets call it what it is) lazy, he's not the kind of player who will lead a team to championships.

Well said. The most talented player I've ever seen. He can do anything on the field he wants to do.

If we could all just dream for a second. . . imagine Jerry Rice having that type of pure talent.

It'd be like a real life version of some superhuman player created in a video game. You wouldn't be able to stop him or the team. As it is, teams can deal with Moss.

And with both the Vikings and the Raiders being at 0-2, I'm not sure we can declare a winner/loser on this thing yet.

[timbuc2]

i wasnt trash talking about the bucs, i am obviously glad they are 2-0, but with Brian Griese at QB, anything (bad) could happen.

[rkmsuf]

Monkeyface


http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/5029/monkeyface7nc.gif

[timbuc2]

looks like David Bowie with a Michael Jackson nose job... i will have nightmares now

[nfg22]

To a certain extend you are right. Expending effort on only half the downs and putting up best-in-the-league stats speaks to his amazing talent. He is, without question, the most talented football player I have ever seen. A lot of people disagree with me, but I have never seen anyone else who could do whatever they wanted on the field, seemingly at will.

But I agree with the liability statement to a certain extent (at least with the Vikes, its hard to call anyone else a liability on a team with Kerry Collins). If he had played to his full ability, I believe that the Minnesota offense the past few years would have been the best ever, good enough to win at least one Super Bowl, even with that mediocre defense, and average running backs. In my mind, Moss is a player who cost Minnesota championships by being (lets call it what it is) lazy, he's not the kind of player who will lead a team to championships.


Tell me who scored more than the 98 vikes...no one...technically they were the best ever...

[Kodos]

Brady can run faster than Vick......are you high?

I believe he was employing a technique that many of us like to refer to as "sarcasm." :)