Eagles- Falcons

[HomerJSimpson]

My bold prediction (Falcon's fans are not going to like it)- The Falcons will continue their streak of not having back-to-back winning seasons. There will at least be one major injury tonight, and the Eagles are going to blow the Black Birds out in the Dome. The secondary is going to give up long pass after long pass tonight and through-out the season, and the defense will end up with the worst pass defense in the league.


I hope all of that is not true, and by saying it out loud it will remove the jinx. Sadly, I really don't think that will be the case.

[Ben E Lou]

My bold prediction (Falcon's fans are not going to like it)- The Falcons will continue their streak of not having back-to-back winning seasons. There will at least be one major injury tonight, and the Eagles are going to blow the Black Birds out in the Dome. The secondary is going to give up long pass after long pass tonight and through-out the season, and the defense will end up with the worst pass defense in the league.


I hope all of that is not true, and by saying it out loud it will remove the jinx. Sadly, I really don't think that will be the case.With the schedule we have this year, if we go 10-6, Blank, Mora and Vick deserve keys to the city. Key questions this seasons...



Can the Birds navigate a murderous schedule and stay relatively injury-free while winning enough games to keep the franchise moving forward?
Vick enters a key season in his development. Based on the development arc of other QB's, this could be *the* critical year to see what he's going to become. Will another season in the new offense be the key for him?
D. Hall also is in a position to have a step-it-up season. How does he look?
Will an above-average wide receiver emerge?
Can Warrick still get it done, and will TJ remain content as a backup?

I'll have to miss the first few minutes of this one tonight, but am looking forward to picking it up some time in the first quarter.

[flere-imsaho]

I'll have to miss the first few minutes of this one tonight, but am looking forward to picking it up some time in the first quarter.

This is why you need a TIVO, man.

[Ben E Lou]

This is why you need a TIVO, man.I know. I know. My wife and I both work for non-profits, though. Gotta prioritize. :p

[flere-imsaho]

I know. I know. My wife and I both work for non-profits, though. Gotta prioritize. :p

I hear you. Luckily, we bought ours before we started working for non-profits. :)

[henry296]

All I know is that I need 20 points from Brian Westbrook and the Eagles D....Possible, but not very likely.

[HomerJSimpson]

All I know is that I need 20 points from Brian Westbrook and the Eagles D....Possible, but not very likely.


All I need is 102 points from Mike Vick. Think I'll get them?

[HomerJSimpson]

I hear you. Luckily, we bought ours before we started working for non-profits. :)


Got mine from Comcast (and so should Ben). :D

[flere-imsaho]

In one league I need Akers to kick 2 XPs or 1 FG.

In another league I need McNabb to be unavoidably detained by a roving band of rabid midget line dancers.

[JonInMiddleGA]

In another league I need McNabb to be unavoidably detained by a roving band of rabid midget line dancers.

Sounds like we have kinda the same situation.

I've got an 18 point lead right now.
They've got McNabb left to play
And I've got Vick left to play.

And yet, somehow, I feel like I'm going to have to be lucky to pull this out.

[cthomer5000]

1. I like the Eagles.

2. I need the final point total to be between 43-48 to win my office pool.

3. I need Warrick Dunn to outscore David Akers by 2.02 points to win my one winnable fantasy football game tonight.

[Raiders Army]

I hope McNabb chokes.

Culpepper has been (historically) a much better QB that I don't get where the hype comes from for McNabb.

[TazFTW]

I need the Falcons defense to score negative points for me to beat Bbor. 0 points will get me a tie.

[Passacaglia]

I thought this thread would be about a football game.

[st.cronin]

I hope McNabb chokes.

Culpepper has been (historically) a much better QB that I don't get where the hype comes from for McNabb.

I disagree. I think Culpepper is hugely overrated.

[Raiders Army]

I disagree. I think Culpepper is hugely overrated.
So you think McNabb is all that? I scoff in your general direction.

[HomerJSimpson]

I thought this thread would be about a football game.


It is not about soccer.

[cthomer5000]

So you think McNabb is all that? I scoff in your general direction.
There stats are fairly even, McNabb has had much worse receivers historically, and has turned the ball over much less than Culpepper.

[Raiders Army]

There stats are fairly even, McNabb has had much worse receivers historically, and has turned the ball over much less than Culpepper.
He's also had a better defense historically.

[VPI97]

There stats are fairly even, McNabb has had much worse receivers historically, and has turned the ball over much less than Culpepper.But McNugget went to Syracuse.


Case Closed.

[cthomer5000]

He's also had a better defense historically.
Maybe I'm issing something, but how does having no defense make Culpepper fumble roughly every single time he has the ball in his hand?

[Franklinnoble]

He's also had a better defense, coach, and ownership historically.
Fixed it for ya.

[Raiders Army]

Maybe I'm issing something, but how does having no defense make Culpepper fumble roughly every single time he has the ball in his hand?
m

[Raiders Army]

Fixed it for ya.
Thank you much.

[cthomer5000]

So your argument for Culpepper is just a list of excuses?

[Cringer]

How about after this season, you all can argue if McNabb or Culpepper is better? As I see it this is the defining year for Culpepper, with Moss gone.

[Raiders Army]

So your argument for Culpepper is just a list of excuses?
Last thoughts...

You said Culpepper fumbled a lot. I agree; however, you can't dispute the fact that McNabb has had a better defense (and coach (thanks FN)) than Culpepper.

Also, it isn't excuses for Culpepper, it's reasons why McNabb is good...the same way Trent Dilfer was good in Baltimore.

[TazFTW]

Fight! Fight! Fight!

[kingfc22]

Trotter has been tossed. YES! Go Falcons.

[TazFTW]

Trotter and Kevin Mathis have been ejected.

[cthomer5000]

WOW.

Jerimiah Trotter (PHI) and Kevin Mathis (ATL) have been ejected before the game has even begun.

[Raiders Army]

Very nice.

[HomerJSimpson]

What the heck? Where are you seeing this?

[VPI97]

Trotter being tossed = bad for Eagles
Matthis being tossed = good for Falcons

Win, win situation for Atlanta

[stevew]

Wow, open hand slaps get you ejected these days?

[TazFTW]

Monday Night Countdown

[VPI97]

What the heck? Where are you seeing this?
ESPN

[cthomer5000]

What the heck? Where are you seeing this?
Monday Night Countdown on ESPN.

[stevew]

What the heck? Where are you seeing this?
ESPN

[Raiders Army]

I saw it on my online poker table.

[kingfc22]

Too bad they can't toss TO as well just for being an asshat.

[HomerJSimpson]

That's what I get for watching the local crap.

[Raiders Army]

I'd rather toss McFagg

[VPI97]

Wow, open hand slaps get you ejected these days?
They do when the players are stupid enough to do it less than 2 feet from an official. They're both morons.

[stevew]

He still gets paid for being ejected at least. They should bring up Zo Jackson from the PS.

[cthomer5000]

Wow, open hand slaps get you ejected these days?
If it has been just a slap, I don't think they would have been ejected. But there was pretty sustained cat-fighting, grabbing, shoving, etc.

[kingfc22]

WTF is going on!!!!

[TazFTW]

A mosh pit?

[VPI97]

I fucking hate the Eagles.

[kingfc22]

I fucking hate the Eagles.
I concur

[HomerJSimpson]

That was a first.

[cuervo72]

I fucking hate the Eagles.

Grrrrr.

[stevew]

I fucking hate the Eagles.
So does the Dude.
http://thugbot.net/features/lebowski/img/14.jpg

[VPI97]

Grrrrr.I like Frederick, though :)

[cuervo72]

We *are* teamid 21 you know...

[VPI97]

LOL

[cthomer5000]

I can't wait until someone throws a cheapshot early in this game....

[Philliesfan980]

The Falcons have 0% chance of winning this game.

That is all.

[Karlifornia]

Jaworski, be a dear and grab Stu Scott's eyelid off of the ground before someone steps on it...

[VPI97]

The Falcons have 0% chance of winning this game.

That is all.
Quoted so I can laugh at it later ;)

[Subby]

What's the story on that eyelid? Granted, I haven't watched ESPN in a long time, so it could be an old story...

[Philliesfan980]

Quoted so I can laugh at it later ;)

Quote it all you want. They have no shot. The Eagles have a better secondary (front 7's are a wash), significant better WR's, better o line, MUCH better QB, better rb, better special teams.

What the hell else do you want to know loser.

[TroyF]

I can't wait until someone throws a cheapshot early in this game....

It's MNF, so we have the horse trailer. Any player moronic enough to throw a cheap shot early in the game will get the "horses ass" award for stupidity.

Especially if the cheap shot is on a star player. An early late hit on Vick or McNabb will be fined heavily. These guys all need to get their emotions under control. No late hits, not cheap shots, no fights.

I can promise you the officials have warned both locker rooms that there will be fines and suspensions heavily doled out if anything occurs in the game.

[Subby]

Quote it all you want. They have no shot. The Eagles have a better secondary (front 7's are a wash), significant better WR's, better o line, MUCH better QB, better rb, better special teams.

What the hell else do you want to know loser. VPI IS A LOSER!!!!! HAHAHAHAHA!

'Sup, Loser?

[Philliesfan980]

Loser meaning he picked the loser team!

[CHEMICAL SOLDIER]

ESPN Gamenight says Trotter has been ejected for fighting!

[TroyF]

Quote it all you want. They have no shot. The Eagles have a better secondary (front 7's are a wash), significant better WR's, better o line, MUCH better QB, better rb, better special teams.

What the hell else do you want to know loser.


The Eagles are a better team, but without Trotter, their run defense will be suspect. That happens to be the thing Atlanta does best. Don't foget the emotion of the home game either.

A road game that was going to be tough anyway, just got tougher.

[cthomer5000]

ESPN Gamenight says Trotter has been ejected for fighting!
welcome to half an hour ago!

[HomerJSimpson]

ESPN Gamenight says Trotter has been ejected for fighting!


Welcome to 30 minutes ago.

[CHEMICAL SOLDIER]

welcome to half an hour ago!
Traffic was horrible coming back from school. My bad. ;)

[Subby]

OH MY GOD KEVIN MATHIS HAS BEEN EJECTED!

[VPI97]

What the hell else do you want to know loser.
Well fuck. I didn't know I was a loser. What do I have to live for now?

VPI IS A LOSER!!!!! HAHAHAHAHA!

'Sup, Loser?
Quit piling on, loser.

[Philliesfan980]

Well fuck. I didn't know I was a loser. What do I have to live for now?


Quit piling on, loser.

You are an elitist

[VPI97]

You are an fuckin' elitist
Fixed ;)

[TargetPractice6]

I thought it was funny that the ref thought it necessary to throw a flag in a pregame fight. :)

[Philliesfan980]

Fixed ;)

Thanks :)

[CHEMICAL SOLDIER]

I They should just kill each other on the field, not off.
Kids nowadays.

[cthomer5000]

I thought it was funny that the ref thought it necessary to throw a flag in a pregame fight. :)
I was wondering abiut that. Do you think that was actual protocol, or just instinct?

[CHEMICAL SOLDIER]

I was wondering abiut that. Do you think that was actual protocol, or just instinct?
Force of habit! :)

[cthomer5000]

Tonight, I will drink 2 beers for every touchdown by a player from Rutgers.

[VPI97]

How can you not like a team that has four Hokie starters?

[stevew]

Mexico with the interception.

[HomerJSimpson]

How can you not like a team that has four Hokie starters?


Because one Hokie won't stop throwing bad passes.

[VPI97]

He's just getting it out of his system.


I hope.

[VPI97]

Now THAT's a Hokie!

[HomerJSimpson]

One hokie giveth, another taketh away.

[HomerJSimpson]

Now THAT's a Hokie!


But isn't that the Hokie you don't like? :D

[DaddyTorgo]

alright. i need TO to have a better game than McNabb+Akers. like 4 points better for fantasy points. And then I'll win! Niiiiice...injure McNabb!! PLEASE!!!

[HomerJSimpson]

Mike, please don't throw that so hard. Please.

[HomerJSimpson]

McNabb break his ribs you think?

[VPI97]

Vick isn't even coming close to the receivers...he needs to calm down.

Regarding McNabb....they need to check him to make sure nothing is pressing against his lungs. His mobility on the sidelines is a bit concerning.


But isn't that the Hokie you don't like? :DThat's beside the point. ;)

[HomerJSimpson]

Vick isn't even coming close to the receivers...he needs to calm down.

Regarding McNabb....they need to check him to make sure nothing is pressing against his lungs. His mobility on the sidelines is a bit concerning.


Well, two passes hit players in their hands and then bounced off went ten yards down the field.

[CHEMICAL SOLDIER]

Those were horrible passes by McNabb.

[cthomer5000]

I guess a bad Hokie is like bad pizza? Even when it's bad it's still pretty good?

[HomerJSimpson]

Those were horrible passes by McNabb.


He needs x-rays. I bet he'll stay in there and not get them until half-time though. He's a warrior, but sometimes your better off being a little safer.

[Dutch]

Vick isn't even coming close to the receivers...he needs to calm down.

Regarding McNabb....they need to check him to make sure nothing is pressing against his lungs. His mobility on the sidelines is a bit concerning.


That's beside the point. ;)

It kind of looked like the Falcon DL speared him with his helmet. Maybe it was just the angle...

[HomerJSimpson]

It kind of looked like the Falcon DL speared him with his helmet. Maybe it was just the angle...


No, he did.

[cthomer5000]

Vick can definitely run.

[HomerJSimpson]

Man, that was sweet. The first roll out should have been a sack, and then he just sweeps into the endzone.

[VPI97]

No, he did.
I thought so, too. Was that Kearney?

[HomerJSimpson]

I thought so, too. Was that Kearney?


Lavalais.

[HomerJSimpson]

dola: Smith had him from behind and was sort of the anvil to Lavalais hammer.

[cthomer5000]

goddamn... Hokie-mania out there tonight.

[VPI97]

...and there's the fifth Hokie. :)

[Dutch]

I know Mike Vick - who are the others?

[gottimd]

They might be counting Ron Mexico in the five.

[HomerJSimpson]

...and there's the fifth Hokie. :)


Are they going to Hire Frank Beamer as a special teams coach when he retires?

[kingfc22]

Nice catch TO.

[zums]

ok so i just started watchin on the last eagles drive, but my thoughts:

#1 - the trotter thing prolly took a lot outa the eagles... he's a leader

#2 - i miss corey simon

#3 - mcnabb has the super bowl choke face goin on right now.... just really bad body language

:(

[HomerJSimpson]

THAT"S THE CRAP RIGHT THERE!!!!

[kingfc22]

Nice pass by Vick. That was right on the money.

[VPI97]

Are they going to Hire Frank Beamer as a special teams coach when he retires?Well, he does have a house on Lake Lanier...

[kingfc22]

:D

[VPI97]

THAT"S THE CRAP RIGHT THERE!!!!
*High-fives HomerJ*

[Philliesfan980]

Hmm..

Maybe I better change my prediction!

[TargetPractice6]

Mike Vick can't throw the ball!

[HomerJSimpson]

Well, he does have a house on Lake Lanier...


I know. The Dawgs have tried to hire him like 1 million times.

[HomerJSimpson]

Mike Vick can't throw the ball!


Short. He can throw the ball a billion miles deep. Having time to do with with the Falcons o-line is another matter.

[TargetPractice6]

Short. He can throw the ball a billion miles deep. Having time to do with with the Falcons o-line is another matter.Well he can always run it short distances. ;)

[Dutch]

I did like seeing the instant replay of Trotter realizing he just got punked! haha!

[Logan]

Hey Ct...now that everyone does some sort of ridiculous MNF introduction...what are the odds we can get a "LJ Smith...Rutgers: The State University of New Jersey" in the near future?

[Dutch]

I think Terrell Owens deserves more money. He's doing great.

[cthomer5000]

I know Mike Vick - who are the others?
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[Dutch]

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Thanks, Corey.

[zums]

.

[CHEMICAL SOLDIER]

It seems the Eagles are playing lethargik tonite.

[cthomer5000]

Thanks, Corey.
and QB Bryan Randall is on the practice squad, too.

[TroyF]

Short. He can throw the ball a billion miles deep. Having time to do with with the Falcons o-line is another matter.


The Falcons O-Line is pretty damned good. Many of Vick's sacks are generated by Vick. His biggest talent can also be a weakness when he starts running around trying to make something happen and gets sacked.

The Falcons O-Line also is a big help to Dunn and Duckett. You don't run the ball that well without a decent O-Line, even with Vick.

As for Vick, that last pass was about as good as you can throw it. Vick doesn't have to be a 65% passer to be successful. He just has to convert enough third downs (with his legs or his arm) to set the defense up for the big play. He's always capable of making it. Tonight he's made a couple, both set up TD's.

[VPI97]

The Falcons O-Line is pretty damned good. Many of Vick's sacks are generated by Vick.That's 100% correct...when Vick moves around, his lineman can't automatically adjust to where he's going. We gave up a lot of sacks at VT when he was here too, but had a very good collegiate line.

[VPI97]

dola -

If the Eagles keep getting that Westbrook-Brooking matchup, it's going to be tough to keep up with them.

[HomerJSimpson]

The Falcons O-Line is pretty damned good. Many of Vick's sacks are generated by Vick. His biggest talent can also be a weakness when he starts running around trying to make something happen and gets sacked.

The Falcons O-Line also is a big help to Dunn and Duckett. You don't run the ball that well without a decent O-Line, even with Vick.

As for Vick, that last pass was about as good as you can throw it. Vick doesn't have to be a 65% passer to be successful. He just has to convert enough third downs (with his legs or his arm) to set the defense up for the big play. He's always capable of making it. Tonight he's made a couple, both set up TD's.

The Falcons O-line did a horrible job pass blocking, and anyone who watched more than 3 games the Falcons played last year can tell you that. Some of Vick's sacks are him being cute, but many sacks come from the D-line being on top of him before he even gets his three step drop. They can zone block for rushing, but what helps more is so many d-lines spread out to contain Vick. Watch the St.Louis playoff game last year and you'll see what I mean.

Maybe the line will do a better job this year. On that throw to Jenkins he had more time than I remener him ever seeing last year. This will be their second year with Gibbs, so it may click with them.

[cthomer5000]

a late hit? that's fucking bullshit.

[zums]

that was weak weak weak..... must protect golden boy!!!!

[VPI97]

Ticky tack penalty....but the Eagles know he's protected, so why chance it?

[cthomer5000]

Ticky tack penalty....but the Eagles know he's protected, so why chance it?
...because he might not actually go out of bounds?

[cthomer5000]

Nice work golden Boy! Go Eagles!

[HomerJSimpson]

Not a fumble.

[zums]

first glance i thought that was a pass... but the more i look at it it looks like he knocked it out *right* before he started to come forward

[cthomer5000]

Not a fumble.
Fumble. the ball was never moving forward.

[Masked]

The ball went backwards

[VPI97]

...because he might not actually go out of bounds?
Meh...he already was...

[zums]

its close, but defintitely not enough evidence to overturn

[Radii]

that's getting overturned

[cthomer5000]

Meh...he already was...
You're running full speed at a guy running full speed tip-toeing the sideline. What do you think you should do? Leave him untouched and hope he's headed out of bounds, or barely freaking touch the guy to make sure he actually does go out of bounds?

[stevew]

Oh, yes, a fumble indeed.

[VPI97]

You're running full speed at a guy running full speed tip-toeing the sideline. What do you think you should do? Leave him untouched and hope he's headed out of bounds, or barely freaking touch the guy to make sure he actually does go out of bounds?
Your scenario doesn't reflect what happened...he wasn't tip-toeing the sideline, he was headed out of bounds at a 45 degree angle. Contact didn't occur until he was out. The guy shouldn't have touched him or he chanced a penalty.

[HomerJSimpson]

Oh, yes, a fumble indeed.


That shot from the back clearly showed his hand went forward (and the defender would have never touched the ball of it hadn't). Doesn't matter now, though.

[cthomer5000]

Your scenario doesn't reflect what happened...he wasn't tip-toeing the sideline, he was headed out of bounds at a 45 degree angle. Contact didn't occur until he was out. The guy shouldn't have touched him or he chanced a penalty.

Meh... bs call!

[cthomer5000]

That shot from the back clearly showed his hand went forward (and the defender would have never touched the ball of it hadn't). Doesn't matter now, though.
yes, but the ball was never moving forward.

[VPI97]

That shot from the back clearly showed his hand went forward (and the defender would have never touched the ball of it hadn't). Doesn't matter now, though.Yep...poor call.

[HomerJSimpson]

yes, but the ball was never moving forward.


Again, the ball would have had to go forward or the defender would have never been able to touch it. It is not worth arguing now. The call is the call.

[VPI97]

yes, but the ball was never moving forward.
The NFL rule says arm, not ball.

[DaddyTorgo]

i like how they get the call wrong even with the damn replay. that seemed pretty damn clear

[CHEMICAL SOLDIER]

We may just have a game on our hands.

[cthomer5000]

The NFL rule says arm, not ball.
I stand corrected. Stiil, I'm not sure either was happening. The ball was jarred loose the second his throwing motion was hitting the "forward" point.

[TroyF]

The Falcons O-line did a horrible job pass blocking, and anyone who watched more than 3 games the Falcons played last year can tell you that. Some of Vick's sacks are him being cute, but many sacks come from the D-line being on top of him before he even gets his three step drop. They can zone block for rushing, but what helps more is so many d-lines spread out to contain Vick. Watch the St.Louis playoff game last year and you'll see what I mean.

Maybe the line will do a better job this year. On that throw to Jenkins he had more time than I remener him ever seeing last year. This will be their second year with Gibbs, so it may click with them.

I watched almost every Falcon game last year and a majority of the sacks were related to Michael Vick being Michael Vick.

The Falcons led the league last year in preventing running backs getting stuffed at the line. Many of Vicks pass plays are designed on play action and roll outs. Those two things are also incredibly vulnerable to the blitz, especially the outside blitz from teams trying to "contain" Vick. When you factor in the fact that the Falcons haven't had (and still don't have) a true #1 wideout, they don't hesitate to send blitzers in on Vick.

I'm not saying the O-Line is similar to the Dallas Cowboy line of the mid 90's, but that line isn't poor by any stretch.

[zums]

he was knocking the ball out as it started to come forward..... almost like both hands were on the ball at the same time - therefore, the ball stayed and the hand came forward = fumble

[VPI97]

fumble = moot point now

[cthomer5000]

I say no play that has already ended is worth discussing.

[HomerJSimpson]

I watched almost every Falcon game last year and a majority of the sacks were related to Michael Vick being Michael Vick.

The Falcons led the league last year in preventing running backs getting stuffed at the line. Many of Vicks pass plays are designed on play action and roll outs. Those two things are also incredibly vulnerable to the blitz, especially the outside blitz from teams trying to "contain" Vick. When you factor in the fact that the Falcons haven't had (and still don't have) a true #1 wideout, they don't hesitate to send blitzers in on Vick.

I'm not saying the O-Line is similar to the Dallas Cowboy line of the mid 90's, but that line isn't poor by any stretch.


First, you are only talking about sacks. I'm talking about time to pass. Many, many, many times players came free almost untouched from their assigned blockers (you could watch Schaffer just throw his arms at them, or Forney fall trying to get up from the stance). It was not a very good blocking line in drop-back passing situations. That is the only thing I'm talking about (time in the pocket,. Rolling out is a different beast all together).

[zums]

What we should be discussing is how Kearse bumblefucked away a td by not bein able to pick the damn thing up right away ;)

[HomerJSimpson]

Man, Crumpler has good hands.

[zums]

smart move by the falcons there... fuck!

[cthomer5000]

nice "catch" Alge

[sabotai]

Atlanta gets away with one. Good job on rushing to the line and getting a play off.

[HomerJSimpson]

nice "catch" Alge


Hehe.

[HomerJSimpson]

You see, Troy, that play running outside was not the lines fault. Even the big blitz wasn't the lines fault. Vick needs to do a better job reading the D.

[TroyF]

First, you are only talking about sacks. I'm talking about time to pass. Many, many, many times players came free almost untouched from their assigned blockers (you could watch Schaffer just throw his arms at them, or Forney fall trying to get up from the stance). It was not a very good blocking line in drop-back passing situations. That is the only thing I'm talking about (time in the pocket,. Rolling out is a different beast all together).


And I'm telling you that's just not true. Look at what's been happening tonight. Look at that last sack. Vick was out of the pocket and could have thrown the ball away. He chose not to and it ends up being a sack. And then on the following sack, it's an all out blitz, mainly from the outside. One that teams couldn't do if the Falcons actually had a WR out there.

I'm not just talking about sacks, it's difficult to block 7 when you are 5. Teams have more "all out" blitzes on the Falcons than any team I've ever seen. A big reason is the lack of a true #1, but another reason is because if you blitz to one side and Vick reads it, you are dead. Better to take your chances by going after both sides and hope. That's just not the lines fault.

[cthomer5000]

Eagles need to start scoring some points... I have some money I need to be winning.

[HomerJSimpson]

And I'm telling you that's just not true. Look at what's been happening tonight. Look at that last sack. Vick was out of the pocket and could have thrown the ball away. He chose not to and it ends up being a sack. And then on the following sack, it's an all out blitz, mainly from the outside. One that teams couldn't do if the Falcons actually had a WR out there.


I beat you by already saying that wasn't what I was talking about, plus I've already said the line is doing a better job in this game than last year. But your still stuck on the sack totals, and I've already said that is not what I'm talking about.

[VPI97]

Westbrook is killing them.

[TroyF]

I beat you by already saying that wasn't what I was talking about, plus I've already said the line is doing a better job in this game than last year. But your still stuck on the sack totals, and I've already said that is not what I'm talking about.

I edited the post above, I'm not just focusing on the sacks. (though Vick creates a crapload of them with his slow delivery and his always wanting to make the big play)

[zums]

I really hope the Eagles give in and give Westbrook a long-term deal.... he's a player and he fits their offense *perfectly*

[TroyF]

I really hope the Eagles give in and give Westbrook a long-term deal.... he's a player and he fits their offense *perfectly*

Westbrook could easily put up a Faulk like year very soon. He's a special player.

[HomerJSimpson]

I edited the post above, I'm not just focusing on the sacks. (though Vick creates a crapload of them with his slow delivery and his always wanting to make the big play)


No doubt he inflates the stat by holding the ball trying to run when he should throw it away (or even take a shot at his best option). But if you'll watch film from last year of just the pocket passing attempts, you'll see Vick wasn't getting any time, and that was often with 4 man rushes (most teams don't have the team speed to blitz Vick. It becomes counter-productive).

[VPI97]

Great play by Williams.

[VPI97]

dola -

I though Akers was supposed to be the greatest kicker since Lou Groza????

[cthomer5000]

Why the fuck did they build a dome stadium? Ugh.

[HomerJSimpson]

Mike, this isn't basketball. You can't bounce-pass.

[cthomer5000]

no late hit call there?

[HomerJSimpson]

no late hit call there?


Nobody cares about Brian. :)

[kingfc22]

Somebody tell Madden to shutup.

"Shot" "Pop" "Shot" "Pop"

Use some different words. Geesh!!

[sabotai]

I hate Tim McGraw (and all country music)....I'd rather they do this with rap music...

[HomerJSimpson]

Don't you hate it when you watch half a game before you remember you never switch over to the HD channel?

[cthomer5000]

Vick might just be the greatest playmaker since Dean Houston.

http://lovetohate.us/fofc/weeeee.jpg

[Rizon]

One day the NFL will realize not everyone likes shitty music.

[HomerJSimpson]

The burning question of the day....will Vick ever be able to complete a 8 yard out or a simple slant?

[henry296]

I hate Tim McGraw (and all country music)....I'd rather they do this with rap music...

And I am not a fan of rap music, so if they did it with rap music, I wouldn't be happy.

Can't please everyone.

[sabotai]

Don't you hate it when you watch half a game before you remember you never switch over to the HD channel?
*sits here without an KDTV*

.....Oh yeah.....I hate when that happens.......*jealous*

[stevew]

The burning question of the day....will Vick ever be able to complete a 8 yard out or a simple slant?
I dunno, but i bet he gets a burning feeling if he doesnt use his Valtrexx

[sabotai]

And I am not a fan of rap music, so if they did it with rap music, I wouldn't be happy.
I hate rap music...(that was the joke. :) )

[VPI97]

Gotta like the Clint Howard cameo.

[Senator]

Someone let me know who that halftime highlight show is marketed at?

I would prefer someone use a fake Cosell voice and do some like he did.

/rip shenckel - 40 ounce

[NoMyths]

Madden sucks. Last week Randy Moss was, quote, the most dangerous man in football. This week Michael Vick is, quote, the most dangerous man in football. God knows who it'll be next week.

[cuervo72]

Probably not Rae Carruth...

[stevew]

Madden sucks. Last week Randy Moss was, quote, the most dangerous man in football. This week Michael Vick is, quote, the most dangerous man in football. God knows who it'll be next week.Ray Lewis outside the Club?

[cthomer5000]

that throw by McNabb was probably the single worst decision I have ever seen in a football game.

[henry296]

What the hell was that play.

[VPI97]

When people say that McNabb is a better decision maker than Vick, I will point to that play.

[KWhit]

Great throw Don.

[HomerJSimpson]

Yipes! They nearly let the Eagles get that back.

[henry296]

that throw by McNabb was probably the single worst decision I have ever seen in a football game.

I still think Aaron Brooks' play last year was worse, but not by much.

[zums]

i'm partial to plummer's left handed throw for an INT TD last year...

[HomerJSimpson]

but was it a stupid decision?

[stevew]

Wow, that was bizarre.

[stevew]

Dola, On the stupid scale, it reminds me of a time when Barry Foster forgot to field a live kickoff during a steelers game.

[HomerJSimpson]

That was a clear holding.

[VPI97]

When Vick throws the ball, I can't pick it up on the screen half the time...maybe I need a wide screen HDTV.

[cthomer5000]

When Vick throws the ball, I can't pick it up on the screen half the time...maybe I need a wide screen HDTV.
I usually can't tell who he's throwing to, and I have a feeling the receivers feel the same way.

[stevew]

I usually can't tell who he's throwing to, and I have a feeling the receivers feel the same way.
Nah, they all know they are decoy's for the "Dump to Crump" play they run every passing down.

[HomerJSimpson]

Nah, they all know they are decoy's for the "Dump to Crump" play they run every passing down.


Good line.

[KWhit]

Thanks for that spot.

[zums]

wow bad spot

[Northwood_DK]

Nice spot

[HomerJSimpson]

Going to be re-spotted.

[KWhit]

Doh!

[zums]

thank god for the challenge that might be the worst spot ive ever seen

[kingfc22]

Falcons get the ball back anyways. :)

[HomerJSimpson]

Kerney is a great football player for a Lacross player.

[HomerJSimpson]

Guttsy.

[VPI97]

I keep waiting for the Falcons to run the triple option.

[kingfc22]

A Dunn TD here would be nice for my fantasy team.

[Ben E Lou]

flag...grrrrr

[HomerJSimpson]

Ouch.

[cthomer5000]

A Dunn TD here would be nice for my fantasy team.
Agreed. Enough of this Duckett and Vick garbage. A Dunn TD would likely wrap things up for me.

[VPI97]

Great play by Dawkins

[KWhit]

Son of a Bitch!

[HomerJSimpson]

Wow. Going to miss that FG now.

[VPI97]

Wow...Vick had no chance there.

[kingfc22]

Big play for the Eagles there. I think we'll see a heavy does of TO on this next drive.

[zums]

dunn is still in the locker room i think.... cut down their red-zone options imo

[henry296]

Agreed. Enough of this Duckett and Vick garbage. A Dunn TD would likely wrap things up for me.

They mentioned Dunn was on the sidelines. Did he get hurt or just resting?

[henry296]

Just a quick update on my fantasy game if anyone cares... I've cut my 20 point defecit to just 1. I forgot to mention that my opponent has LJ Smith so that 1 point is the difference.

Westbrook is only 5 receiving yards from getting another point. However, a TD by Atlanta would cost me 2 points.

[stevew]

They mentioned Dunn was on the sidelines. Did he get hurt or just resting?
Dehydrated.

[henry296]

Dehydrated.

Thanks

[HomerJSimpson]

Alright. You have to double Owens, so you'd think Westbrook is going to be the best option.

[HomerJSimpson]

There are other recievers on the team, Mike.

[CHEMICAL SOLDIER]

McNabb has either the: ''I dont Give a F@CK look,'' and / or the '' I don't want to be here'' look. Damn he's thrown to Ownes at least 15 times now.

[CHEMICAL SOLDIER]

Dola: Seems both Qbs are forcing the balls. Looks like alot of high velocity passes out there.

[HomerJSimpson]

Dola: Seems both Qbs are forcing the balls. Looks like alot of high velocity passes out there.


Some really good defense being played on both sides.

[KWhit]

Go Mike!

[sabotai]

There goes Vick...

[HomerJSimpson]

Is it the shoes, money?

[Anthony]

oh God, he's reverting back to old form. 2 striaght scrambles.

[HomerJSimpson]

oh God, he's reverting back to old form. 2 striaght scrambles.

Yeah, the second one was over-kill.

[st.cronin]

I wish Atlanta would try an option offense. I think they could rush for 400 yards a game with Mexico and a decent tailback.

[Ben E Lou]

Yeah, the second one was over-kill.The second one looked like a called play, didn't it?

[HomerJSimpson]

The second one looked like a called play, didn't it?


Yes, and bad timing. Good way to get Vick killed.

[Ben E Lou]

I wish Atlanta would try an option offense. I think they could rush for 400 yards a game with Mexico and a decent tailback...and Mexico gets the syphillis knocked out of him in the first quarter of the second game.

[sabotai]

I bet the Eagles win here....they always do in situations like this....they've been in my nightmares...