OT: Ever wanted to kill somebody?

[LionsFan10]

Like I do right now? Yesterday afternoon (technically), my dad was assaulted and robbed by five men, and beaten and kicked. He has a black eye among many other more "internal" injuries, he's close to 60 so he could only fight for so long before five people got the better of him. One of them kicked him in the neck, the other sucker punched him in the face ... I've never, ever been so angry in my entire life. :mad:

Sorry, I had to vent.

[sabotai]

That sucks. Hope he gets better soon. I kind of know how you feel. I'm sure I felt the same way you do right now the night I found out my sister's ex used to take his frustration out on her when they were together. He's lucky I didn't know where he lived (and I was too, in a way).

[BigJohn&TheLions]

Like I do right now? Yesterday afternoon (technically), my dad was assaulted and robbed by five men, and beaten and kicked. He has a black eye among many other more "internal" injuries, he's close to 60 so he could only fight for so long before five people got the better of him. One of them kicked him in the neck, the other sucker punched him in the face ... I've never, ever been so angry in my entire life. :mad:

Sorry, I had to vent.
Damn. Hope he comes thru ok.

So what's the deal? Was he at a club flashing some loot and got hit? Or he fuck somebody's old lady or somethin'? If it was the later, there is a much better chance of catching the bastards...

[Antmeister]

Damn. Hope he comes thru ok.

So what's the deal? Was he at a club flashing some loot and got hit? Or he fuck somebody's old lady or somethin'? If it was the later, there is a much better chance of catching the bastards...

Uh.......what? This may have nothing to do with this situation.

[LionsFan10]

Damn. Hope he comes thru ok.

So what's the deal? Was he at a club flashing some loot and got hit? Or he fuck somebody's old lady or somethin'? If it was the later, there is a much better chance of catching the bastards...

LOL, neither actually. He cashed his check, walked out and was pretty much jumped right in the parking lot. Thing is, many people seen it and nobody helped him or even tried to stop it. I guess that's Detroit for you :(

[BigJohn&TheLions]

Uh.......what? This may have nothing to do with this situation.
There is usually something that sets five guys to work somebody over. Usually the motive is robbery. If robbery was the motive, to bring five guys together the guy is usually targeted. Most random crimes are one on one. Like when my grandmother was knocked to the ground and bloodied outside her door by a purse snatcher.

I don't mean to seem insensitive. Just trying to help...

[BigJohn&TheLions]

LOL, neither actually. He cashed his check, walked out and was pretty much jumped right in the parking lot. Thing is, many people seen it and nobody helped him or even tried to stop it. I guess that's Detroit for you :(
Just cashed his check. See! He was targeted (in a manner.)

Make him get direct deposit!

By the way... Don't blame the city, blame the mayor who ripped off the city for countless $$$ and is laying off cops to cover it.

[ThunderingHERD]

Me & 4 dudes were mugging this old guy the other day. He started to fight back, and damned did I want to kill him. I kicked him in the throat, but then my buddies pulled me off. Peace to all y'all d-town homies that saw it.

[Antmeister]

There is usually something that sets five guys to work somebody over. Usually the motive is robbery. If robbery was the motive, to bring five guys together the guy is usually targeted. Most random crimes are one on one. Like when my grandmother was knocked to the ground and bloodied outside her door by a purse snatcher.

I don't mean to seem insensitive. Just trying to help...

I didn't know if this was some sort of inside joke that I was missing or something. Sure most random crimes are one on one, but there are also times when there is mistaken identity or sometimes it can be a good ol' fashioned hate crime. I know you didn't mean it as mean spirited, but you just gave limited options. Seem that LionsFan took it in good stride, so never mind me.

[BigJohn&TheLions]

Me & 4 dudes were mugging this old guy the other day. He started to fight back, and damned did I want to kill him. I kicked him in the throat, but then my buddies pulled me off. Peace to all y'all d-town homies that saw it.
I think that was James Jordan.

[maximus]

Like I do right now? Yesterday afternoon (technically), my dad was assaulted and robbed by five men, and beaten and kicked. He has a black eye among many other more "internal" injuries, he's close to 60 so he could only fight for so long before five people got the better of him. One of them kicked him in the neck, the other sucker punched him in the face ... I've never, ever been so angry in my entire life. :mad:

Sorry, I had to vent.

My dad was robbed by 3 black guys three months ago (crack heads looking for money said by witnesses who knew them). He recieved a broken jaw, a black eye, & bruised ribs. My dad is 70 yrs old. Bunch of low life trash.

Ya, I wanted to kill them and I still do. They'll R.I.P soon enough.

[Lathum]

Yes, my ex brother in law used to beat my sister. When I found out I went to the house with a baseball bat hoping he was there. A couple of years later he killed himself on Chistmas eve. If I was ever glad anyone was dead it would be him

[ThunderingHERD]

My dad was robbed by 3 black guys

Would it have been less disturbing had it been 3 white guys?

[korme]

Would it have been less disturbing had it been 3 white guys?
shutup, he was just being discriptive

[ThunderingHERD]

shutup, he was just being discriptive

Interesting how the other characters weren't described in pigmental detail. No "my white dad" or "the multi-ethnic witnesses."

[maximus]

Would it have been less disturbing had it been 3 white guys?


No

[ThunderingHERD]

Do you have a problem with what I said?

Not unless you're black.

[maximus]

Not unless you're black.


OK, welcome to the ignore list. I won't be pulled into your gimmicks.

[ThunderingHERD]

Welcome to my "amused by your inability to defend your own comments" list.

[RebelMan]

I hope your father gets better, Lionsfan10.

[kingfc22]

Damn, got to love the fucked up people we live with in this worldhttp://dynamic.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

[WSUCougar]

OK, welcome to the ignore list. I won't be pulled into your gimmicks.
Someone should welcome you to the ignorant list. Your "black guys" comment is classic passive racism.

[JonInMiddleGA]

LF10 - in answer to your post title question, oh yes, my goodness, more times than I can count. Difference being, a number of mine have been with far less reason than you have in this case.

My best to your dad & your whole family, I hope he recovers quickly & completely and that you're all able to put this behind you ASAP.

[Butter]

LF10 - in answer to your post title question, oh yes, my goodness, more times than I can count. Difference being, a number of mine have been with far less reason than you have in this case.

Me too. Far, far less reason.

Hope your dad pulls back soon.... hopefully those injuries aren't too severe. I've been robbed by crackheads before, but luckily I wasn't home at the time.

[sachmo71]

Like I do right now? Yesterday afternoon (technically), my dad was assaulted and robbed by five men, and beaten and kicked. He has a black eye among many other more "internal" injuries, he's close to 60 so he could only fight for so long before five people got the better of him. One of them kicked him in the neck, the other sucker punched him in the face ... I've never, ever been so angry in my entire life. :mad:

Sorry, I had to vent.


Just glad to hear he's alive.

[sachmo71]

There is usually something that sets five guys to work somebody over. Usually the motive is robbery. If robbery was the motive, to bring five guys together the guy is usually targeted. Most random crimes are one on one. Like when my grandmother was knocked to the ground and bloodied outside her door by a purse snatcher.

I don't mean to seem insensitive. Just trying to help...


Dola...it may just be me, but I think you are being insensitive.

[Noop]

Like I said awhile ago some of you all have some racism in you. I am sorry that happen to your dad LionsFan10

[judicial clerk]

I am glad that your dad is alive lionsfan10. It sucks that these people did this. This beating sounds severe and a kick to the neck or head can easily kill somebody. It is important to avoid fighting these kinds of people. A person should try to keep themselves safe and be a great witness.

[Johnny93g]

My dad was robbed by 3 black guys three months ago (crack heads looking for money said by witnesses who knew them). He recieved a broken jaw, a black eye, & bruised ribs. My dad is 70 yrs old. Bunch of low life trash.

Ya, I wanted to kill them and I still do. They'll R.I.P soon enough.

I actually do have a problem that you mentioned 3 "Black" guys.....if they were white, would you have said 3 "white guys"....im dont know why the colour of the skin of the 3 assailiants matters. If you were trying to be descriptive, you left out alot of details.

[wade moore]

Good Luck to your father Lions Fan... Tragic that things like this happen, but it's good to hear nothing "too" serious happened to him.

Hopefully they catch these guys and the law can deal with them so you don't have to...

[JonInMiddleGA]

I actually do have a problem that you mentioned 3 "Black" guys

Then you probably have way too much fucking time on your hands.

[WSUCougar]

Then you probably have way too much fucking time on your hands. :rolleyes:

I nominate this for "Most predictable post of the week."

[Subby]

maximus is just making that story up so he can fit in.

THREE BLACK CRACKHEADS BEAT UP 70 YEAR-OLD MAN!!!!

Yeah, okay.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I nominate this for "Most predictable post of the week."

Aw shucks, that's sweet, but I really wouldn't feel right accepting.
You already earned that with your horeshit post earlier in the thread.

Please do the world a favor & go whine somewhere else.

[Wolfpack]

I see this thread's coming undone in spectacular fashion....

[rkmsuf]

How dare you assume the black men were crackheads.

[Subby]

I was in a thread one time where one white poster told another white poster to stop being so whiney. Then a black poster posted that a lot of the white posters have some racism in them. Then some other poster whose skin color can best be described as olivish came on and made a funny joke about how many black crackheads it takes to beat down a 70 year-old white man.

[MacroGuru]

Interesting how the other characters weren't described in pigmental detail. No "my white dad" or "the multi-ethnic witnesses."

So you would have been ok if he would have described it as...

My white 70 year old father with a limp was mugged and beat the hell out of by 3 black guys, one of them had a limp...the other had the tremors, while the third sounded like snoop dog. We were informed by all the other multi-cultured and multi-ethnic witnesses that the 3 assailents were described as needing a fix because they are supposed crack heads?


Damn, just because he said 3 black guys mugged his father you all turn it into a passive racism issue....trust me....Black, white, yellow or purple, I would have flat out said....3 asians, 3 mexicans, 3 blacks, 3 honky's....something to describe the people that inflicted pain upon my father....even if it was in a negative light?

[rkmsuf]

I was in a thread one time where one white poster told another white poster to stop being so whiney. Then a black poster posted that a lot of the white posters have some racism in them. Then some other poster whose skin color can best be described as olivish came on and made a funny joke about how many black crackheads it takes to beat down a 70 year-old white man.

and then we all had pie.

the end.

[maximus]

Someone should welcome you to the ignorant list. Your "black guys" comment is classic passive racism.


FYI, my father was jumped in the ghetto in which were he lives. The witnesses that saw the mugging were also black and were friends of his - which I have also known for the last 13 yrs or so of my life.


Without knowing who I am, who I hang with, who is married into my family and what colored people I grew up with & what parts of town I grew up in, I wouldn't even begin to commit to a comment like yours until you know what the hell you are taking about. ;)

[Mustang]

and then we all had pie.


Why pie?

You got something against cake?

[WSUCougar]

Aw shucks, that's sweet, but I really wouldn't feel right accepting.
You already earned that with your horeshit post earlier in the thread.

Please do the world a favor & go whine somewhere else.
I would say more, but you speak so clearly for yourself.

[Subby]

Without knowing who I am, who I hang with, who is married into my family and what colored people I grew up with & what parts of town I grew up in, I wouldn't even begin to commit to a comment like yours until you know what the hell you are taking about. ;) This scores very well on the UIC scale.

[rkmsuf]

As a side note, I love purple people.

[WSUCougar]

Without knowing who I am, who I hang with, who is married into my family and what colored people I grew up with & what parts of town I grew up in, I wouldn't even begin to commit to a comment like yours until you know what the hell you are taking about. ;)
What possible relevance to the story was the fact that they were black?

This is a bulletin board on the internet, so all I can go by are the words that you type. They're your words, not mine.

[JonInMiddleGA]

... but you speak so clearly for yourself.

Like that's usually a problem for me?

Sorry, but if he got attacked by three black guys, I fail to see a problem in mentioning it ... except for those who find it somehow wrong to tell the straight fucking truth.

Maybe later today, just for the hell of it, I'll post up the stats on the number of evacuees found to have criminal records in the states that at least bothered to check. Then you can really get all upset, since {gasp} some of those evacuees may happen to be black. God forbid anybody mention anything that might somehow be construed as portraying anyone other than a straight white male as something less than positive. :rolleyes: indeed.

[rkmsuf]

Dude, you need to apologize to the crackheads on this board. Labeling them in this way is just wrong.

[Raiders Army]

Back to on-topic, jeez I hope your Dad is okay LF10. If you need help getting together a crew for revenge, I'd make that trip out to Detroit. This kind of shit pisses me off. 5 on 1. They were really brave.

[Subby]

As a side note, I love purple people. You are like the black pope of love and tolerance.

[WSUCougar]

Sorry, but if he got attacked by three black guys, I fail to see a problem in mentioning it ... except for those who find it somehow wrong to tell the straight fucking truth.
The "problem" is that their color or race is irrelevant. They were crackheads and "low life trash" who beat up a 70-year-old man. LionsFan10 didn't mention the color of the assailants in his initial post, yet still conveyed the point he was trying to make.

[maximus]

What possible relevance to the story was the fact that they were black?

This is a bulletin board on the internet, so all I can go by are the words that you type. They're your words, not mine.

Yeah, they are my words and I use them everyday with "black" people who could careless that I use them. This is the way that I talk everyday. My friends and family don't care that I use the word black to describe a story. I don't think you should care either. However, you as well as others have an issue with it. Sorry but I won't change how I talk or write because someone thinks the word "black" being associated with people is racist.

edit:

also, I am stopping here because I don't want to be considered as trolling FOFC. I am here at FOFC to enjoy the news & topics I read. Besides, when Jim does release his next sim I may want to ask questions so I can't afford to be banned.

[sachmo71]

I probably would have said "black guys" as well. I still have a long way to go to be as accepting as I hoped I was. :( :(

[Raiders Army]

Me & 4 dudes were mugging this old guy the other day. He started to fight back, and damned did I want to kill him. I kicked him in the throat, but then my buddies pulled me off. Peace to all y'all d-town homies that saw it.
This was not even remotely funny.

[rkmsuf]

Yeah, they are my words and I use them everyday with "black" people who could careless that I use them. This is the way that I talk everyday. My friends and family don't care that I use the word black to describe a story. I don't think you should care either. However, you as well as others have an issue with it. Sorry but I won't change how I talk or write because someone thinks the word "black" being associated with people is racist.

Being the black pope of love and tolerance I cannot endorse this line of thinking. Repent heathen.

[Raiders Army]

Being the black pope of love and tolerance I cannot endorse this line of thinking. Repent heathen.
You need to petition that as your title.

[WSUCougar]

Sorry but I won't change how I talk or write because someone thinks the word "black" being associated with people is racist.
*sigh*

I don't think that "the word black being associated with people is racist." And it's evident that you didn't intend anything of the kind. But the fact that you mentioned the assailants were black differentiates them from you, does it not? It deflects attention away from their deeds.

Do you see a difference in these descriptions?

"Two men raped a woman."

"Two white men raped a woman."

"Two black men raped a woman."

"Two black men raped a white woman."

"Two white men raped a black woman."

"Two black men raped a black woman."

"Two white men raped a white woman."

What the hell difference does it make? A woman was raped by two men.

[HomerJSimpson]

Why pie?

You got something against cake?


Blantant Cakeism.

[rkmsuf]

You need to petition that as your title.

some shall it be written, so shall it be done. "The black pope of love and tolerance."


S-Dog, make it so. Engage.

[digamma]

LF10,

I hope your dad recovers quickly, and I'm thankful he wasn't hurt worse.

[Mustang]

What the hell difference does it make? A woman was raped by two men.

If you want to be picky, It should be a person was raped by 2 other individuals... What difference does it make that it was 2 men?

[Pumpy Tudors]

First, most importantly, LionsFan10, I'm sorry about your father, and like others, I hope his recovery moves quickly.

Second, to answer the question in the thread title, no, I don't think I've ever wanted to kill somebody. I haven't had anything make me that angry yet, thankfully.

Third, and this is tongue-in-cheek, I'm starting to wonder if some of you guys just don't want me around here. I stopped posting here for a couple of weeks because of some stuff that was happening on this board. I decided to start posting again because it seemed to get back to being somewhat civil, but look at this thread. Like so many others before it, someone shared a difficult personal situation with us, and it ended up getting derailed and turned into some shit that's been replayed more times than Dwight Clark's catch. I don't have a problem with any of you guys personally, but really, this is getting fucking nuts.

[Johnny93g]

Yeah, they are my words and I use them everyday with "black" people who could careless that I use them. This is the way that I talk everyday. My friends and family don't care that I use the word black to describe a story. I don't think you should care either. However, you as well as others have an issue with it. Sorry but I won't change how I talk or write because someone thinks the word "black" being associated with people is racist.


I think by the way you sound here, you use the word black to differntiate yourself from black people.....I would assume you when describing a black friend of yours, you would call them your black friend, instead of just your friend.....I could be wrong, but thats the picture i get from reading this......

The muggers hurt someone you loved, but describing them as black men instead of just men says something to me, that you consider black people different then you

[VPI97]

I give this thread one star.

Edit - One rainbow colored star.

[Raiders Army]

Like so many others before it, someone shared a difficult personal situation with us, and it ended up getting derailed and turned into some shit that's been replayed more times than Dwight Clark's catch. I don't have a problem with any of you guys personally, but really, this is getting fucking nuts.
You're absolutely right. They do replay Dwight Clark's catch way too many times...but I gotta agree with you. It's been derailed. But then again, such is what happens when you post on a public messageboard.

[Lorena]

I'm sorry to hear that LF10, I hope your dad comes out of it okay and those rat bastards get what they deserve sooner rather than later... bunch of pussies :mad:

I hate to see this thread crumble like it has. LF10's dad went through something horrible and we're talking about race issues because of Maximus' post? C'mom guys.

[Subby]

Do you have to refer to them as pussies? That's offensive to NoMyths.

[CraigSca]

I agree with Pumpy, but I'm going to be a little hypocritical here, as this subject interests me.

While I don't particularly agree (on the surface) with Maximus' "3 black guys" (or whatever he said), I also have a problem with leaving out words of description just because we're so damn scared of being labeled with something even remotely bordering on racism.

I live in a neighborhood that has a certain level of "diversity" (for those who can handle it, that means I live in a neighborhood with both blacks and whites). My children play with children who share their pigment and with those who do not. If my wife comes in the room and asks me something like, "who brought over the soccer ball?" while my child is playing in the backyard...and the child in question happens to be African American...why the hell is it my first inclination to plainfully describe that child in ANY manner other than skin color? If the kid was the lone white child in the backyard - can't I say, "it was the white kid?"

This whole world is hypocritical sometimes. It reminds me of the whole, "Celebrate Diversity" signs you see on car bumpers, in elementary schools, etc. I always want to follow up that line with "but you better not point it out if you see it, because if you do you're a racist."

[Noop]

Jon misses the good ole days.... ;)

[maximus]

I agree with Pumpy, but I'm going to be a little hypocritical here, as this subject interests me.

While I don't particularly agree (on the surface) with Maximus' "3 black guys" (or whatever he said), I also have a problem with leaving out words of description just because we're so damn scared of being labeled with something even remotely bordering on racism.

I'll break my silence here for a second.

Thats just it, I'm not scared.

I have hung around with black guys all my fricking life. For me to say it was "3 black guys" is the same as me saying, "Hey Jim, who was that black guys name again"?

But as someone else said already, lets just get back to the original topic.

[rkmsuf]

let's see how many times we can say "black guy"

also, where the heck is token asian guy?

[sterlingice]

Then you probably have way too much fucking time on your hands.
Jon, I've found your new sig ;)

SI

[sterlingice]

turned into some shit that's been replayed more times than Dwight Clark's catch.
I concur with you and RA, that's been replayed too many times :D

SI

[sterlingice]

On a more serious note, LionsFan10 hope your dad gets better. Hopefully you've had some time to cool off and if you ever find these guys, I'm sure the police will be able to handle it capably. That said, I've never been in the situation so saying that is a lot easier than living it.

SI

[WSUCougar]

I also have a problem with leaving out words of description just because we're so damn scared of being labeled with something even remotely bordering on racism.
And I'll reiterate the point I made earlier, which is that the fact they are black has no bearing on the story in question, unless the intention was to factor in their race or skin color into whatever else was being said. Maximus has already made clear that such was not his intention, and I believe him. That's just the way he talks and I can accept that.

But that doesn't change the fact that it was stated that the assailants were black. Like any other aspect of the post, it's informational. Are these low-life trash crackheads who beat up 70-year-old men? No, these are BLACK low-life trash crackheads who beat up 70-year-old men. Oh, well, that's different. Now it has a racial element. And I would bet dollars to donuts that someone on this very board read that the assailants were black and thought to themself, "Yeah, that figures" or something similar.

And I'm sorry, but in my opinion you're either naive or fooling yourself if you feel that kind of thinking isn't going on in our society ALL THE TIME. And the people who are not racists are the only ones that can help change it.

My apologies to LionsFan10 for thread jacking, and for Pumpy and whomever else is bothered by this sort of discussion.

[Raiders Army]

I'm not kidding but when I first read his post, I pictured all of the assailants dressed in black wearing black ski masks...

[Ksyrup]

I'll break my silence here for a second.

Thats just it, I'm not scared.

I have hung around with black guys all my fricking life. For me to say it was "3 black guys" is the same as me saying, "Hey Jim, who was that black guys name again"?

But as someone else said already, lets just get back to the original topic.I think the point that people are trying to make is that in your example of what you would say to Jim - "Hey Jim, who was that black guys name again"? - the fact that the person is black is helpful in identifying who the person is. Sure, there is probably something else distinguishing about that person that you could mention - tall, wears glasses, etc. But it is helpful in trying to narrow down the identity of the person you are asking about, and I would have no problem with describing someone that way to assist the other person in explaining who you are talking about.

In the original statement, though, the fact that the 3 guys who beat someone up are black has nothing to do with the story. Now, if you were talking to the police about the beat-down, sure, it would be appropriate, because their identity is relevant. But discussing it here, the fact that they are black doesn't matter.

And that's the difference.

[Bubba Wheels]

Someone should welcome you to the ignorant list. Your "black guys" comment is classic passive racism.

Quick! Call Jessie Jackson! :rolleyes:

[sovereignstar]

That's it. It's nothing but haikus and faggotty Lost observations from me for now on. This place is ridonkulous.

[WSUCougar]

Quick! Call Jessie Jackson! :rolleyes:
And another enlightened soul joins the parade.

[CraigSca]

And I'll reiterate the point I made earlier, which is that the fact they are black has no bearing on the story in question, unless the intention was to factor in their race or skin color into whatever else was being said. Maximus has already made clear that such was not his intention, and I believe him. That's just the way he talks and I can accept that.

But that doesn't change the fact that it was stated that the assailants were black. Like any other aspect of the post, it's informational. Are these low-life trash crackheads who beat up 70-year-old men? No, these are BLACK low-life trash crackheads who beat up 70-year-old men. Oh, well, that's different. Now it has a racial element. And I would bet dollars to donuts that someone on this very board read that the assailants were black and thought to themself, "Yeah, that figures" or something similar.

And I'm sorry, but in my opinion you're either naive or fooling yourself if you feel that kind of thinking isn't going on in our society ALL THE TIME. And the people who are not racists are the only ones that can help change it.

My apologies to LionsFan10 for thread jacking, and for Pumpy and whomever else is bothered by this sort of discussion.
Criminy - I said I didn't agree with him. I was trying to further the discussion to innocuous descriptions of everyday people...that we're to the point where we think twice about offering skin color when describing a person's features.

Not sure why you're going off on me here...

[Raiders Army]

That's it. It's nothing but haikus and faggotty Lost observations from me for now on. This place is ridonkulous.
I think John Galt might be offended by this.

[WSUCougar]

I was trying to further the discussion to innocuous descriptions of everyday people...that we're to the point where we think twice about offering skin color when describing a person's features.

Not sure why you're going off on me here...
The gist of your previous post seemed to be that people cry "racism" at the drop of a hat, thus making people such as yourself hesitant to use a term like "black" when describing someone. I didn't see that as relevant to the particular description being discussed, so I brought it back to that. I was not going off on you, but rather the mindset that such words are harmless descriptors.

[st.cronin]

A couple years back I was jumped by two guys wearing ski masks and gloves. I have no idea what color their skin was - all I could tell the police was that they appeared to be shorter than me, and one of them spoke english.

Also, I think they were worse off than me - I just ended up with a bump on my head and a few stitches. I'm pretty sure I broke one of their arms, and got a couple of hard kicks to somebody's head.

Psychically speaking, I was pretty fucked up for a while - afraid of the dark, etc. Hopefully your dad does ok as far as that.

[Buccaneer]

Chris, abandon ship.

[JeeberD]

Best of luck to your father, LF10. I'll keep him in my thoughts...

[Pumpy Tudors]

My apologies to LionsFan10 for thread jacking, and for Pumpy and whomever else is bothered by this sort of discussion.
Thanks for the thought, but I certainly do not require an apology. I'm not bothered by the discussion. I'm bothered by the way it comes up. Still, it's not my place to dictate what people discuss or where or how they do it.

Still, I sincerely appreciate it.

[CraigSca]

The gist of your previous post seemed to be that people cry "racism" at the drop of a hat, thus making people such as yourself hesitant to use a term like "black" when describing someone. I didn't see that as relevant to the particular description being discussed, so I brought it back to that. I was not going off on you, but rather the mindset that such words are harmless descriptors.
Understood - I was trying to take the discussion on a tangent, while you brought it back to its original focus. No harm done.