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09-28-2005, 11:51 AM
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DeLay indicted in campaign finance probe
Charges could force House majority leader to step down

Updated: 12:39 p.m. ET Sept. 28, 2005

WASHINGTON - A Texas grand jury on Wednesday charged Rep. Tom DeLay and two political associates with conspiracy in a campaign finance scheme, an indictment that could force him to step down as House majority leader.

Earlier, lawyers for DeLay were at the criminal justice center in Austin on Wednesday, waiting to learn whether a grand jury — in the final hours of its term — would indict the Texas Republican in a campaign finance investigation.

“It’s a skunky indictment if they have one,” DeLay attorney Bill White told reporters before the indictment. “Like a dead skunk in the middle of the road. It stinks to high heaven.”

The grand jury, made its last day a cliffhanger for DeLay, and demonstrated a recent interest in conspiracy charges that could bring more indictments in the investigation of DeLay’s state political operation.

House GOP rules require any member of the elected leadership to step down temporarily if indicted, and it would be up to the rank and file to select an interim replacement. Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., could make a recommendation, whether choosing to elevate another member of the leadership or tapping an alternative to reduce the possibility of a struggle if DeLay were cleared and then sought to reclaim his post.

Staunch DeLay ally Rep. John Carter sought to rally House Republicans around DeLay at the weekly closed-door caucus meeting on Wednesday morning. Carter, a former Texas judge, urged members to stand behind their leader and was warmly received, according to an aide who was present.

DeLay associates indicted

DeLay, who represents a Houston-area district, has been under investigation by Travis County District Attorney Ronnie Earle for possible illegal fund-raising and use of corporate funds by his Texans for a Republican Majority committee, or TRMPAC.

Texas law generally prohibits corporate money from campaign activities.

Three men -- John Colyandro, Jim Ellis and Warren Robold --with links to DeLay and the committee were indicted last year in the case and are awaiting trial. They were charged with accepting a total of $600,000 in illegal corporate contributions.

On Sept. 8, TRMPAC and lobby group Texas Association of Business were indicted on charges of illegally funneling corporate donations into the 2002 elections for Texas Legislature.

TRMPAC’s money and expertise helped Republicans win control of the Texas legislature for the first time since the post-Civil War Reconstruction era.

At DeLay’s urging, the legislature then conducted a controversial remapping of congressional districts that resulted in more Republicans from Texas being elected to the U.S. House of Representatives.

DeLay has denied any wrongdoing, saying he was not involved in TRMPAC’s day-to-day activities. His office declined to comment on a report in the Austin American-Statesman newspaper that an indictment was possible.

Political witch hunt?

DeLay has repeatedly accused Earle, a Democrat, of conducting a political witch hunt. DeLay met with Earle several weeks ago to explain his limited role in the committee.

The grand jury, whose proceedings are not open to the public, has focused in recent days on DeLay’s possible role in one particular transaction, the newspaper said.

In September 2002, Colyandro, TRMPAC’s executive director, sent a blank check to Ellis, who was DeLay’s primary fund-raiser in Washington.

According to a money-laundering indictment against the two men, Ellis is accused of having the Republican National Committee launder $190,000 of corporate donations into noncorporate money that was distributed to seven candidates for the Texas House of Representatives.

Rare rebuke from ethics committee

The 11-term congressman has served as No. 2 in the House GOP leadership for three years, credited with maintaining iron discipline within the party and keeping Republicans in control of the chamber.

He has retained the loyalty of most party members despite running into ethical problems last year. In a rare rebuke of a House leader, the House ethics committee admonished DeLay three times for pressuring a fellow congressman, involving the Federal Aviation Administration in a political dispute and discussing energy legislation with lobbyists at a golf outing.

The grand jury’s finale coincides with a wide swath of political trouble for the GOP. Ethical questions have been raised about stock sales by the Republican leader of the Senate, Bill Frist, R-Tenn.

And President Bush, an uneasy ally of DeLay, faces the lowest approval ratings of his presidency.

HomerJSimpson
09-28-2005, 11:53 AM
Chance of guilt: 100%


Chance of conviction: 0%

CraigSca
09-28-2005, 11:54 AM
Whoopsie!

Barkeep49
09-28-2005, 11:55 AM
Earle has in his career indicted more Democrats than Republicans on corruption charges. That said, while the charges here might be correct, just as the charges against Clinton were, it seems like they stretched to get this indictement. However, this couldn't happen to a more ethically challenged politician so I'm not crying any tears to see the Velvet Hammer get his come uppance.

stevew
09-28-2005, 12:00 PM
I wonder if Dreier will get the post. Probably more of the same though, lower taxes, higher spending, etc, etc, etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Dreier

MrBigglesworth
09-28-2005, 12:03 PM
Couldn't of happened to a nicer guy.

Swaggs
09-28-2005, 12:05 PM
I can't wait to see how we (the Democrats) manage to screw up the 2006 elections.

flere-imsaho
09-28-2005, 12:12 PM
I can't wait to see how we (the Democrats) manage to screw up the 2006 elections.

Complacency.

cody8200
09-28-2005, 12:13 PM
According to this report, he is stepping down.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050928/pl_nm/delay_indictment_dc

HomerJSimpson
09-28-2005, 12:15 PM
According to this report, he is stepping down.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050928/pl_nm/delay_indictment_dc



Stepping down from his leadership position "temporarily."

stevew
09-28-2005, 12:16 PM
Stepping down from his leadership position "temporarily."
Hopefully his next leadership position is in the mail room of a state/federal detention center.

cody8200
09-28-2005, 12:16 PM
Stepping down from his leadership position "temporarily."

Yeh I should have been more clear...he said he was "stepping aside", whatever the hell that means.

chinaski
09-28-2005, 12:21 PM
Yeh I should have been more clear...he said he was "stepping aside", whatever the hell that means. He HAS to step down, so i dont know why hes making out like hes accomodating the situation. Maybe hes waiting till his OTHER investigation gets him indicted too?

I heard on Fox a couple times that the rule that requires leaders to step down if they are indicted, was a "GOP rule". Was that pushed thru by the GOP during the Clinton years? Or is this bullshit? The GOP tried to repeal it just for Delay back in November and got their chops busted for trying.. so wtf?

cody8200
09-28-2005, 12:23 PM
He HAS to step down, so i dont know why hes making out like hes accomodating the situation. Maybe hes waiting till his OTHER investigation gets him indicted too?

I heard on Fox a couple times that the rule that requires leaders to step down if they are indicted, was a "GOP rule". Was that pushed thru by the GOP during the Clinton years? Or is this bullshit? The GOP tried to repeal it just for Delay back in November and got their chops busted for trying.. so wtf?

Yeh he says in the article, ""I have notified the speaker that I will temporarily step aside from my position as majority leader pursuant to rules of the House Republican Conference." So I guess the House Republican Conference requires him to step 'aside' anyway.

Barkeep49
09-28-2005, 12:25 PM
The GOP instituted the rule as part of the Republican Revolution in response to Jim Wright's problems when he was Speaker of the House.

cartman
09-28-2005, 12:28 PM
There have been others that have already been indicted as part of this mess, and, from the coverage I've seen in the local news, all signs are pointing to DeLay being directly involved in all of this. It will be interesting to see where the trial is held in Texas.

flere-imsaho
09-28-2005, 12:32 PM
Backstory on the rule in question (any emphasis is mine): (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A54572-2004Nov16.html)


House Republicans proposed changing their rules last night to allow members indicted by state grand juries to remain in a leadership post, a move that would benefit Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Tex.) in case he is charged by a Texas grand jury that has indicted three of his political associates, according to GOP leaders.

The proposed rule change, which several leaders predicted would win approval at a closed meeting today, comes as House Republicans return to Washington feeling indebted to DeLay for the slightly enhanced majority they won in this month's elections. DeLay led an aggressive redistricting effort in Texas last year that resulted in five Democratic House members retiring or losing reelection. It also triggered a grand jury inquiry into fundraising efforts related to the state legislature's redistricting actions.

House GOP leaders and aides said many rank-and-file Republicans are eager to change the rule to help DeLay, and will do so if given a chance at today's closed meeting. A handful of them have proposed language for changing the rule, and they will be free to offer amendments, officials said. Some aides said it was conceivable that DeLay and Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) ultimately could decide the move would be politically damaging and ask their caucus not to do it. But Rep. Jack Kingston (Ga.), another member of the GOP leadership, said he did not think Hastert and DeLay would intervene.

House Republicans adopted the indictment rule in 1993, when they were trying to end four decades of Democratic control of the House, in part by highlighting Democrats' ethical lapses. They said at the time that they held themselves to higher standards than prominent Democrats such as then-Ways and Means Chairman Dan Rostenkowski (Ill.), who eventually pleaded guilty to mail fraud and was sentenced to prison.


Politics is cyclical, no?

chinaski
09-28-2005, 12:32 PM
Watching Fox report on this right now is just astounding. democrats, prosecutor, partisan, partisan, partisan, you can indict a ham sandwich, anne coulter!

sachmo71
09-28-2005, 12:34 PM
no way in hell this guy is found guilty. he's a spooky dood.

cartman
09-28-2005, 12:36 PM
jury selection for this one should be a hoot!

Subby
09-28-2005, 12:36 PM
I bet capsicum thinks he's being framed by the satancrats.

cartman
09-28-2005, 12:38 PM
The announcement of him stepping aside won't change anything. He will still be the majority leader, with whomever they choose just the mouthpiece for him.

MrBigglesworth
09-28-2005, 12:40 PM
Backstory on the rule in question (any emphasis is mine): (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A54572-2004Nov16.html)



Politics is cyclical, no?
No question, now, what had happened to the faces of the pigs. The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
.

Cringer
09-28-2005, 12:46 PM
A politician did something wrong? wow.

A Texas politician? double wow.

I am shocked. ;)

Flasch186
09-28-2005, 01:12 PM
LOL

Glengoyne
09-28-2005, 02:40 PM
Earle has in his career indicted more Democrats than Republicans on corruption charges. That said, while the charges here might be correct, just as the charges against Clinton were, it seems like they stretched to get this indictement. However, this couldn't happen to a more ethically challenged politician so I'm not crying any tears to see the Velvet Hammer get his come uppance.
Nicely said.

albionmoonlight
09-28-2005, 02:49 PM
I can't wait to see how we (the Democrats) manage to screw up the 2006 elections.
I agree. Rooting for the Democrats is like rooting for a team that Mike Martz coaches.

astralhaze
09-29-2005, 03:28 PM
According to David Brooks (who is a fairly reliable source), the GOP rank and file were planning on pushing for his ouster anyway because he has always skated too close to the edge anyway and they didn't want his problems dragging them down. In other words, regardless of how this turns out, he is not stepping down "temporarily", he's done with the leadership. Apparently he isn't polling well in his district anyway and this won't help any so we may well have seen the last of The Hammer.

Which is awesome, of course.

astralhaze
09-29-2005, 03:32 PM
dola,

It's hilarious listening to the same conservatives who repeated every bullshit cockamamy story about Clinton claiming that DeLay is the victim of a political witch hunt and how terrible it all is. The ironing is delicious.

MrBigglesworth
09-29-2005, 03:40 PM
According to David Brooks (who is a fairly reliable source), the GOP rank and file were planning on pushing for his ouster anyway because he has always skated too close to the edge anyway and they didn't want his problems dragging them down. In other words, regardless of how this turns out, he is not stepping down "temporarily", he's done with the leadership. Apparently he isn't polling well in his district anyway and this won't help any so we may well have seen the last of The Hammer.

Which is awesome, of course.
Classic distancing. "Who? DeLay? Never heard of the guy."

Tekneek
09-30-2005, 04:17 AM
Vast Left Wing Conspiracy.

Flasch186
10-03-2005, 06:06 PM
he's trying to bat for the cycle:

Grand Jury Indicts DeLay on New Charge

By APRIL CASTRO, Associated Press Writer 52 minutes ago

AUSTIN, Texas - A Texas grand jury indicted Rep.
Tom DeLay on a new charge of money laundering Monday, less than a week after another grand jury leveled a conspiracy charge that forced DeLay to temporarily step down as House majority leader.

Both indictments accuse DeLay and two political associates of conspiring to get around a state ban on corporate campaign contributions by funneling the money through a political action committee to the
Republican National Committee in Washington.

The RNC then sent back like amounts to distribute to Texas candidates in 2002, the indictment alleges.

cartman
10-03-2005, 06:13 PM
I just love the arguements he is giving. He said what he did wasn't illegal or against any rules, and anyways, it was something everybody did. Well, Mr. Tom, speeding is something that is illegal, but not everybody that does it gets caught. Doesn't make it any less of a crime.

BTW, this is a different grand jury than the one that recommended last week's indictment.

Schmidty
10-03-2005, 07:50 PM
Hehehehehe. This headline says "probe".

Hehehehehehe.

MrBigglesworth
10-03-2005, 09:34 PM
It's just a plot of the vast left wing Texas conspiracy.

cartman
10-03-2005, 09:54 PM
Of course it's the left wingers, liberal activist judges, and liberal media that are to blame for all of this. If it weren't for him trying to replace them with conservative politicans, conservative media pundits and conservative interpretive judges, he wouldn't have gotten in all of this trouble...

:D