Red River Shootout!

[Cuckoo]

And while I know this year doesn't carry near the same weight given OU's poor start, it's still OU/Texas. The streak is 5 straight, and all the pressure is on Texas. That said, I think the Longhorns are clearly the better team. Of course, nobody knows what's going to happen in rivalry games.

What do you think? Does OU even have a chance in this one?

[albionmoonlight]

Rivalry games generally can go either way. If Texas falls behind early, they could start to panic and either push too hard or tighten up. Oklahoma also has nothing to lose in this game and they have the better gameday coach.

I would not put money on either team to win. Texas has a huge edge in talent, but Oklahoma is coming into this game from a much better position viz a viz "intangibles."

[MalcPow]

Even though Brent Musburger taught me early this year that Vince Young is seven feet tall and runs a 3.9 forty, I still doubt his abilities. I doubt the Sooners a little more maybe, but still, OU can win. The trout is also telling me not only will we see OU over Texas, but ND over SC this weekend.

[MikeVick7]

The fact that OU has:

- A first-year QB who has one TD pass this year

- AP is questionable with an ankle sprain

- They have a ton of freshman starters now

- And an inconsistent defense

and this game is still questionable shows you how truely great Mack Brown is as a coach.

[sooner333]

Texas is suck.

[sachmo71]

hope this isn't the last one at the Cottonbowl. :(

[Cuckoo]

hope this isn't the last one at the Cottonbowl. :(

I think they'll be there for the next couple of years (contracted through 2007 if I'm not mistaken), but after that, it's likely gone. It's too bad, in my opinion, as I'm big on tradition. But the place is falling apart according to the schools, and Dallas won't pay the money to fix it up.

[VPI97]

Boomer Sooner!

[cartman]

UT in a rout. This is not the "soft" Texas team of the past. They have been behind in games many times, and they just don't panic anymore. The only reason anyone at all is giving OU a chance is because of the current 5 game OU win streak, and it is a rivalry game.

But remember, Mack Brown has beaten OU twice, one of them was even a Bob Stoops coached team. People seem to think he has never beaten them, when that is not the case.

[cartman]

Dola,

Also, the game has a new name. Some of the sponsors didn't like the term "Shootout", so now it is the "Red River Showdown".

:rolleyes:

[Cuckoo]

Dola,

Also, the game has a new name. Some of the sponsors didn't like the term "Shootout", so now it is the "Red River Showdown".

:rolleyes:

Yeah, I refuse to call it that. As for your feelings on the game, I'm not sure I agree (here's where everyone says "Yeah, yeah, biased Sooner fan.").

Regardless of my obvious allegiances, I have watched all of OU's games along with a couple Texas games so I feel like I can be somewhat objective. I agree with you that Texas is not "soft." In fact, I'm not sure if I ever would have called them that. But this year's version is certainly not soft.

They are, however, prone to some mistakes. Vince Young is an amazing athlete and a playmaker, but he has also made some really poor plays. In the first half of the Missouri game, Texas looked sloppy. Now, I know very well that OU has looked sloppy in nearly every half of every game so you needn't point that out. My point, however, is that I don't see Texas running away with this one.

Why? Well, in my humble opinion, it's because of the very thing you discount - the rivalry. You never know how players will react in rivalry games. Often, they push. If that's the case with Young (the monkey on his back and the expectations for their season), I believe that he will make mistakes. That in itself will keep OU in the game.

I don't disagree with those who say Texas has more talent. I think Texas right now easily has the more talented players. OU's kids could end up being better in a few years, but at this point it's no contest.

But honestly, that often means very little. Last year, I thought OU was easily the more talented team and the game was tight. A couple years ago, I thought the teams were dead even, and OU blew them out. Talent isn't always the best indication of the final result.

Who knows what'll happen? I certainly wouldn't put any money on it. But don't discount what the rivalry can mean, especially for two teams who have not always looked pretty this year.

[cthomer5000]

I think Texas will beat them handily, but the rivalry factor probably gives OU at 25-40% chance to pull this one off even if severely outmanned.

[tucker342]

Texas SHOULD crush OU, but there is one reason why this will be a close game, Mack Brown. However, I still think Texas will pull out the win.

[st.cronin]

Having watched both teams play this year, I would be absolutely shocked if Texas didn't win by at least 2 touchdowns.

[Airhog]

Im surprised that IMTG hasn't shown up yet talking about mack brown star player is the second coming of christ :D

[kingnebwsu]

I'll be cheering for Texas, to help validate OSU's loss to them this season.

[sachmo71]

I think they'll be there for the next couple of years (contracted through 2007 if I'm not mistaken), but after that, it's likely gone. It's too bad, in my opinion, as I'm big on tradition. But the place is falling apart according to the schools, and Dallas won't pay the money to fix it up.


Dallas city council says that will refurbish the stadium if both schools commit to keeping the Shootout in Dallas. Sounds like a catch-22 to me.

Oh, and my prediction? Mack Brown, the pussy, screws this one up by alternating QBs because he wants his young guy to get some trigger time. OU pulls it out 30-21.

Fuck Mack Brown.

[IMetTrentGreen]

Im surprised that IMTG hasn't shown up yet talking about mack brown star player is the second coming of christ

i surprised you haven't shown up to your adult education english course yet.

texas wins 20-10

[MikeVick7]

Alternating QB's? What am I missing here?

[sachmo71]

Alternating QB's? What am I missing here?


Apparently, the Major and the Simms.

[digamma]

I don't see how OU moves the ball on Texas. Texas can sell out to stop Peterson "all day." I just don't see Bomar and the receivers stepping up enough to put enough points on the board to win....but anything can happen in a rivalry game, and I think OU's defensive front is good enough to keep it close.

[MrBug708]

i surprised you haven't shown up to your adult education english course yet.

texas wins 20-10

Is your offense that bad?

[MikeVick7]

Apparently, the Major and the Simms.
Thought you were talking this year. Missed the joke there. My bad.

[duckman]

i surprised you haven't shown up to your adult education english course yet.

texas wins 20-10
You're missing a linking verb, professor. :rolleyes:

Also, the shift key is your friend.

[Airhog]

i surprised you haven't shown up to your adult education english course yet.

texas wins 20-10


One thing we can both agree on I believe, both of our posts sucked :D

[Vegas Vic]

Fans and pundits alike are predicting a blowout.

Texas has scored a grand total of 13 points in this game over the past two years. Before I started talking about a blowout, I would be more concerned about Texas even scoring in this game.

[Vegas Vic]

But remember, Mack Brown has beaten OU twice, one of them was even a Bob Stoops coached team. People seem to think he has never beaten them, when that is not the case.

Yes, in 1999, Stoops' first season. The team he inherited from John Blake was in shambles. Texas was a big favorite in that game, but OU jumped out to a 17-0 lead and dominated the game early. The Longhorns made a frantic comeback and won 38-28 in the 4th quarter.

With that game in mind, the really funny part is that next year OU beat Texas 63-14, and Mack Brown said that he might have overlooked OU.

[cartman]

Yes, in 1999, Stoops' first season. The team he inherited from John Blake was in shambles. Texas was a big favorite in that game, but OU jumped out to a 17-0 lead and dominated the game early. The Longhorns made a frantic comeback and won 38-28 in the 4th quarter.

With that game in mind, the really funny part is that next year OU beat Texas 63-14, and Mack Brown said that he might have overlooked OU.

And '99 was Mack's 2nd season at Texas. OU came back in the 4th quarter to beat Texas in 2002, does that make it any less of a win for them?

I guess I missed the point you were trying to make here.

[Vegas Vic]

And '99 was Mack's 2nd season at Texas. OU came back in the 4th quarter to beat Texas in 2002, does that make it any less of a win for them?

I guess I missed the point you were trying to make here.

If you're trying to compare the state of the Texas football team in Brown's second season with what Stoops inherited in his first season, it's not even close. OU had been a perennial loser for most of the 90's when Stoops took over in 1999. Texas was a huge favorite in that game.

As far as 2002, Texas was a 5 point favorite in that game. They were supposed to win.

[cartman]

If you're trying to compare the state of the Texas football team in Brown's second season with what Stoops inherited in his first season, it's not even close. OU had been a perennial loser for most of the 90's when Stoops took over in 1999. Texas was a huge favorite in that game.

I wasn't making any comparisons. I was just stating the fact that Mack Brown has won two games as coach of the Longhorns against the Sooners, and in one of the games Bob Stoops was the coach of the Sooners.

[Vegas Vic]

I wasn't making any comparisons. I was just stating the fact that Mack Brown has won two games as coach of the Longhorns against the Sooners, and in one of the games Bob Stoops was the coach of the Sooners.

You're the one who asked me what point I was trying to make.

Yeah, in 1999, Goliath gets credit for coming from 17 points down and beating David.

[cartman]

You're the one who asked me what point I was trying to make.

Yeah, in 1999, Goliath gets credit for coming from 17 points down and beating David.

You read too much into what I originally wrote. A lot of people are suprised to hear that Mack Brown has won a game at all against OU, much less an OU team coached by Bob Stoops. That is what I wrote in my original post, and that was the only point I was trying to address. You were the one who added the piece about the point spread, to somehow make a win in the books appear to not really be a win.

But to placate you, I would say yes, they should get credit. Any time a team comes from 17 down to win by 10, that is a great effort. Especially in a rival game.

[Vegas Vic]

1998: OU 5-6 (John Blake)
1998: Texas 9-3 (Mack Brown)

Even though they lost, the fact that Oklahoma was even ahead by 17 points in the 1999 game speaks volumes about the relative abilities of Stoops and Brown.

[cartman]

1998: OU 5-6 (John Blake)
1998: Texas 9-3 (Mack Brown)

Even though they lost, the fact that Oklahoma was even ahead by 17 points in the 1999 game speaks volumes about the relative abilities of Stoops and Brown.

I may be mistaken, but I was under the impression that only the final score mattered in a football game.

Should the Tulsa coach get credit for keeping the game this year against OU close until halftime?

[Vegas Vic]

I may be mistaken, but I was under the impression that only the final score mattered in a football game.

Should the Tulsa coach get credit for keeping the game this year against OU close until halftime?

Absolutely. In fact, he should get a lot of credit for the entire game. He severely outcoached Bob Stoops in that game.

[Huckleberry]

Funny how Vic is neglecting the fact that 1999 Texas finished 9-5 and 1999 Oklahoma finished 7-5. So take that game out and Texas was 8-5 and Oklahoma was 7-4.

Sounds like two fairly even teams and one coach beat the other. Get over it. It's both silly and odd that an Oklahoma fan would even find it necessary to argue about the 1999 game after the last 5 years.

[TroyF]

Funny how Vic is neglecting the fact that 1999 Texas finished 9-5 and 1999 Oklahoma finished 7-5. So take that game out and Texas was 8-5 and Oklahoma was 7-4.

Sounds like two fairly even teams and one coach beat the other. Get over it. It's both silly and odd that an Oklahoma fan would even find it necessary to argue about the 1999 game after the last 5 years.


No, actually that would make Vic's point hold even more true. The two teams were not equal that year. Texas has better talent all across the board. (not nearly the same talent as they have now, but they were still more talented than that OU squad) The fact the two records were nearly identical would suggest the coach with the lesser talent not only outcoached the other guy in that game, but the year as a whole as well.

This is it for Brown. It's all set up for him. OU is down. Nobody else in the Big12 can even hope to compete with this Texas team. The championship game against the North should be a 30 point blowout. There are no excuses this year. If he can't beat OU now and carry that through and win a conference title, I'm not sure how he'll ever do it.

[Vegas Vic]

It's both silly and odd that an Oklahoma fan would even find it necessary to argue about the 1999 game after the last 5 years.

Not quite as silly and odd as Mack Brown saying that they overlooked Oklahoma in 2000, given what happened in the 1999 game.

[Huckleberry]

No, actually that would make Vic's point hold even more true. The two teams were not equal that year. Texas has better talent all across the board. (not nearly the same talent as they have now, but they were still more talented than that OU squad) The fact the two records were nearly identical would suggest the coach with the lesser talent not only outcoached the other guy in that game, but the year as a whole as well.
Preposterous. OU was very talented. At least as talented as Texas. John Blake was a hell of a recruiter, but he was perhaps the most incompetent buffoon I've ever seen at everything else involved with being a head coach. The next week, I think, Oklahoma beat Texas A&M 51-6. They had plenty of good players. Texas had Kwame Cavil as our "dangerous" receiver. Hodges Mitchell was our back. Our defense was full of below-average talent. This viewpoint is fairly common now, but it's revisionist history at best.

This is it for Brown. It's all set up for him. OU is down. Nobody else in the Big12 can even hope to compete with this Texas team. The championship game against the North should be a 30 point blowout. There are no excuses this year. If he can't beat OU now and carry that through and win a conference title, I'm not sure how he'll ever do it.
I don't disagree with that.

Not quite as silly and odd as Mack Brown saying that they overlooked Oklahoma in 2000, given what happened in the 1999 game.
Which might help you out on this thread if you were arguing with Mack Brown. But you're not. I didn't say that, I only called you out on your ridiculous take. Brown's historical jackassery is not something I have to answer for.

[Vegas Vic]

I didn't say that, I only called you out on your ridiculous take. Brown's historical jackassery is not something I have to answer for.

Man, these Horns fans are wound tighter than a drum today. :D

Here's hoping for a clean, injury free game on both sides.

[Cuckoo]

You know, I've been thinking about this the past couple of days, and I've come to a conclusion. Everyone says this is a no-win situation for Texas. And I agree with them. If Texas wins, they were supposed to (even a blowout). If Texas loses, they blew this huge opportunity and must be cursed.

But I've come to believe that it's a no-win situation for OU as well. If OU loses, well they lost, and this season becomes even worse than before. Of course they are supposed to lose, but how many more of these "Look how far OU has fallen" articles are we going to see?

However, if somehow OU pulls off a victory in this game, it likely won't ever be because OU played well or actually has some young talent or good coaching. It will be because of the "psychological" element or because Mack Brown is "cursed" or because Texas "gave it away."

It's going to be an interesting game, but I'm already seeing the postgame write-ups and the spin they'll take either way.

[cthomer5000]

Texas is moving the ball very well on this opening drive.

[Tasan]

Boy I like listening to the game on TV. Nice losing the video and all. Its like 1930 all over again.

[LoneStarGirl]

I know I am in Mississippi and all but why the HELL is ABC showing Florida vs Mississippi State instead of the UT OU game??? I thought this was nationally televised? And no matter what most people think Mississippi is STILL in the nation. This is bullshit, I am suing.

[wbatl1]

Yeah, in ATL we don't have the game on telivision. We aren't even watching SEC football. :rolleyes:

[TroyF]

That series right there is a perfect showing of how horrific Mack Brown is with strategy. OU gets a holding penalty on them. It'd push the ball back to the 45 yard line and bring up 3rd and 18. OU hasn't show the ability to have a ten yard gain, much less an 18 yard gain. The QB hasn't completed a pass yet.

So do you take the penalty and force OU out of FG range or do you not take it and give away three points? Please don't tell me about the OU's kicker and his long of 40 or whatever. A 52 yard kick is a makeable kick. Lets say he can hit that kick 25% of the time. Is OU going to pick up 10 yards on 3rd and 18 25% of the time? Hell no.

That was an idiotic decision by Brown. You don't give away three points in a game like this.

Texas has three fumbles now. They've been lucky in the fact they've only lost one and it only led to three points. They'll still likely win this game and win it easily. But moronic coaching decisions like that will cost you in the long term.

[TroyF]

I know I am in Mississippi and all but why the HELL is ABC showing Florida vs Mississippi State instead of the UT OU game??? I thought this was nationally televised? And no matter what most people think Mississippi is STILL in the nation. This is bullshit, I am suing.

Only night games are truly national for ABC. (Friday after Thanksgiving games as well) Everything else is regional. You get Mississippi State because, well, you're in Mississippi. I'm not an attorney, but I'd strongly advise against a lawsuit. You have zero chance at winning it.

[IMetTrentGreen]

texas fumbles half a dozen times in every game. shit they had three turnovers in a row in their own territory against osu. ain't no thang

btw, somebody needs to do another 'best player you've never heard of' thread, because i need to nominate jamaal charles. my last one, a mr. vince young, turned out ok

[IMetTrentGreen]

You know, I've been thinking about this the past couple of days, and I've come to a conclusion. Everyone says this is a no-win situation for Texas. And I agree with them. If Texas wins, they were supposed to (even a blowout). If Texas loses, they blew this huge opportunity and must be cursed.

agreed, especially with peterson out (even though ou's offense is better without him, but don't tell anyone because they'll think you're crazy. but, you force feed an overrated superstar, instead of take whats there, you won't move the ball very well)

[TroyF]

Good lord, what a horrible call. It's either holding or no call, period. A five year old would understand the difference.

[Noop]

Texas more then likely won't lose a game this season. I won't be shocked to see them win the national title.

[ISiddiqui]

Nice pass.

[Pumpy Tudors]

I just realized that I don't think this game is on TV here in the Pittsburgh area. I can watch Holy Cross and Lehigh, though!

[Cuckoo]

Bad, bad for OU so far. Not taking advantage of the opportunities and the passing game looks horrible. Texas is talented, that's for sure. If they didn't fumble the ball around, this could be a lot worse.

Here's hoping Stoops figures something out at halftime, but I'm not too confident. Hopefully, OU can make it a game and not fold up.

[IMetTrentGreen]

looks like the blueprint to beating ou, that has been out for 3 years, has finally made its way into the texas game plan

if im a sooner fan i'm worried right now. the best qb on my roster is a complete fraud. my oline sucks, no gamebreakers on offense except peterson, and he's a career ending injury waiting to happen

if texas holds on, ou is 2-4 in their last 6, with onnly two good teams in there. usc raped them, and texas is well on its way. ouch

[Noop]

looks like the blueprint to beating ou, that has been out for 3 years, has finally made its way into the texas game plan

if im a sooner fan i'm worried right now. the best qb on my roster is a complete fraud. my oline sucks, no gamebreakers on offense except peterson, and he's a career ending injury waiting to happen

if texas holds on, ou is 2-4 in their last 6, with onnly two good teams in there. usc raped them, and texas is well on its way. ouch
Please shut up.

[Cuckoo]

Please shut up.

You have to cut him some slack, Noop. He has had to repress all this for so long, and now Texas finally gets their moment in the sun. I can kind of understand it, as ignorant as it is.

My thinking is: the highs are never as high as they seem and vice versa in college football. IMTG hasn't quite figured that out, I don't think.

Or else, he has and just doesn't care about his credibility. Either one are believable to me.

[Cuckoo]

Well, I'll throw in my congratulations to the Longhorns and their fans. I've had some trash-talking back and forth the past few years with some of them, but you guys deserve a congrats this year.

Texas is a good team, and I think that if they can keep their occasionally sloppy play under control, they have a legitimate shot to play in the National Championship.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Since this game is not on television here, I'd just like to point out that the Holy Cross/Lehigh game has been a good one. Lehigh just fumbled the ball away on their comeback attempt. It was their 11th fumble of the game and 3rd lost. Holy Cross has won on the road, 13-10. The reason for the fumbles is that it's a very, very sloppy field today out in Bethlehem, PA. I'm glad that I got to see some of this great Patriot League rumble.

Uh, right.

[LoneStarGirl]

Only night games are truly national for ABC. (Friday after Thanksgiving games as well) Everything else is regional. You get Mississippi State because, well, you're in Mississippi. I'm not an attorney, but I'd strongly advise against a lawsuit. You have zero chance at winning it.


Yah I wasn't really planning on it. It just pisses me off that ABC had commercials about the Red River Showdown but didn't even televise it for us. I was forced to watch Secrets of the YaYa Sisterhood because there were no decent games on!

[Vegas Vic]

Congratulations to the Horns fans. OU got taken to the woodshed today. Good luck the rest of the season, and I hope you didn't sustain any serious injuries today.

[IMetTrentGreen]

i love you guys. doubt doubt doubt doubt

im never fucking wrong, though. the fact that im arguing with cuckoo, who has a litmited understanding of football, and a semi literate high schooler is why i dont post much anymore. enjoy the alamo bowl, losers

[IMetTrentGreen]

My thinking is: the highs are never as high as they seem and vice versa in college football. IMTG hasn't quite figured that out, I don't think.

oh what the fuck ever. i called this sooner collapse 3 years ago. i called the beatdowns by ksu, lsu, and usc. i told you peterson wouldn't do shit without all that talent they lost. its not going to get any better next year, either. i also told everyone this would be mack's best team, despite losing benson and johnson. nobody wants to listen

[Cuckoo]

...why i dont post much anymore...

It's things like this that I count as blessings on dark days such as this. :D

[Airhog]

oh what the fuck ever. i called this sooner collapse 3 years ago. i called the beatdowns by ksu, lsu, and usc. i told you peterson wouldn't do shit without all that talent they lost. its not going to get any better next year, either. i also told everyone this would be mack's best team, despite losing benson and johnson. nobody wants to listen


So Texas wins one game in six years against it, and you called it? You've been giving us the same tired lines for the last 3-4 years IMTG. Nobody listens because you say the same thing every year. And it doesn't help your case when you act like a child and call cuckoo names either

[Vegas Vic]

So Texas wins one game in six years against it, and you called it? You've been giving us the same tired lines for the last 3-4 years IMTG.

Give him more credit than that. It's more like 5 years. "Rocky Calmus is overrated", "Teddy Lehman sucks", "Roy Williams is overrated", "Tommie Harris sucks", "Nate Hybl sucks", "Quentin Griffin sucks"...... the list goes on and on.

[jackyl]

Cuckoo/Airhog/other OU backers,

The biggest problem I see with OU is under center. Josh Heipel, Nate Hybl, and Jason White weren't all world recruits. They were gutty kids that could lead a team and make good reads in a wide-open offense. Actually, White, Hybl, and Heipel's greatest strengths were to get the ball to the playmakers and not try to be one.

I live in Fort Worth, just down I-30 from Rhett Bomar's Grand Prairie HS. What I seem to remember about him is that his teams sucked, and he was a stathog that went to QB camps and impressed the hell out of people. I don't think he'd ever been into the playoffs despite starting for three years or so.

Now don't get me wrong, as a UT alum I'm awful happy with the victory today, but it somehow rings hollow. A-Pete wasn't a factor and if this wasn't Red River weekend he wouldn't have even dressed. Travis Wilson looked ready to slap Bomar for not getting him the ball. Kejuan Jones, while a pretty good back, is your Selvin Young.

Even with us losing the last five years, I liked this game a lot better when both teams were at the top of the polls and their games, not when one is a sitting duck like OU seemed to be today.

And I for one won't be surprised if Stoops pulls a Bill Snyder and the top rated JuCo QB in the country is taking snaps in Norman next season.

[Cuckoo]

Cuckoo/Airhog/other OU backers,

The biggest problem I see with OU is under center. Josh Heipel, Nate Hybl, and Jason White weren't all world recruits. They were gutty kids that could lead a team and make good reads in a wide-open offense. Actually, White, Hybl, and Heipel's greatest strengths were to get the ball to the playmakers and not try to be one.

I live in Fort Worth, just down I-30 from Rhett Bomar's Grand Prairie HS. What I seem to remember about him is that his teams sucked, and he was a stathog that went to QB camps and impressed the hell out of people. I don't think he'd ever been into the playoffs despite starting for three years or so.

Now don't get me wrong, as a UT alum I'm awful happy with the victory today, but it somehow rings hollow. A-Pete wasn't a factor and if this wasn't Red River weekend he wouldn't have even dressed. Travis Wilson looked ready to slap Bomar for not getting him the ball. Kejuan Jones, while a pretty good back, is your Selvin Young.

Even with us losing the last five years, I liked this game a lot better when both teams were at the top of the polls and their games, not when one is a sitting duck like OU seemed to be today.

And I for one won't be surprised if Stoops pulls a Bill Snyder and the top rated JuCo QB in the country is taking snaps in Norman next season.

Interesting analysis. At the beginning of the game I wouldn't have called OU a "sitting duck." Part of that was because I didn't know what to expect from them. I saw some good things against Kansas State, not that I think KSU is a great team but neither were TCU or Tulsa.

After the game, I'd say I feel like I know a lot more about OU now. But I still feel like I don't know a lot about Bomar.

I appreciate hearing your analysis, coming from someone who has seen him play in H.S. I think, by all accounts, he has the talent. But you're definitely right, he has not shown an ability to get the ball to playmakers.

Will that come in time? I have no idea, honestly. OU may be in for some serious growing pains as we wait to find out. But I disagree with your last part. I think Stoops will try to make Bomar into what he wants him to be rather than essentially giving up and going JUCO. He may fail in the process, but he'll give it all he has.

[jackyl]

I didn't really consider them a sitting duck until as soon as I found out A-Pete wasn't starting due to his ankle. But if the Sooners can't beat UCLA or the Frogs with Peterson, how in the hell are they supposed to get after a team like Texas without him?

As a respectful rival, I just hope OU can find some direction and finish strong after one bitch of an early season. I'd hate for the streak to end against an OU squad limping into the Houston Bowl when the season ends.

On the JuCo subject, since Thompson isn't serious competition for Bomar anymore, maybe Rhett needs some hotshit QB to come in and drive him to a higher level. Who else is on the OU roster? All I can think of is that kid from Austin High.

One more thing. I still don't think I've ever seen a frosh QB (even one that was redshirted) audible as mush as I saw today.

[Cuckoo]

I didn't really consider them a sitting duck until as soon as I found out A-Pete wasn't starting due to his ankle. But if the Sooners can't beat UCLA or the Frogs with Peterson, how in the hell are they supposed to get after a team like Texas without him?

As a respectful rival, I just hope OU can find some direction and finish strong after one bitch of an early season. I'd hate for the streak to end against an OU squad limping into the Houston Bowl when the season ends.

On the JuCo subject, since Thompson isn't serious competition for Bomar anymore, maybe Rhett needs some hotshit QB to come in and drive him to a higher level. Who else is on the OU roster? All I can think of is that kid from Austin High.

One more thing. I still don't think I've ever seen a frosh QB (even one that was redshirted) audible as mush as I saw today.


Well, with the audibling, that seemed to be some strange tactic OU was using. They had him go to the line, then they were giving him playcalls from the sidelines. They haven't done that this season much, and it was driving me nuts.

Peterson has been hobbled all season, and I had a sneaking suspicion he wouldn't play much in this game. I think they need to shut him down a week or two and let that thing heal. He wasn't much help after the injury in the TCU game and had some issues with it against KSU last week too. That said, Texas beats OU today even if Peterson plays.

As for who else OU has, after Bomar and Thompson, that's it. The kid from Texas is a walk-on (can't even remember his name, but he's the son of the Texas 3rd stringer who came in and beat OU so many years back). OU has a commit from a kid in Oklahoma City who is considered a 4 star I think by rivals. All indications are he's a decent pocket-passer without as much running ability as Bomar. I haven't seen him play personally, but his stats thus far are only mediocre (although that can be misleading).

I just want to say jackyl that I appreciate you having an intelligent discussion. There are several Texas fans around this board that do, and I have a few Texas fan friends as well. Unfortunately, sometimes people on one side or the other can't do that.

[sachmo71]

For my friend who was spit on and who's wife was slapped by fans while at an away game at OU...this feels nice.

[Airhog]

I firmly believe that OU hasn't had a really good QB since Heupel, and that may not even be that true. Since 2000, OU has only has an average of 3 games that were close. Their PA has been less than 3 touchdown from 2004-2000. I think we just had a great defense those years, and the QB never felt pressure to win the ballgame on a weekly basis. And look at those games were our defense was beaten. We usually lost. The alabama game at alabama is really the only game I can remember that was won by a great drive from our QB. There may be a few others, but this memory stands our for me.

I'm just not convinced that Stoops can recruit the great QB's yet. Getting a high ranked QB from rivals.com doesnt mean anything if he doesnt produce.

[Vegas Vic]

I think, by all accounts, he has the talent. But you're definitely right, he has not shown an ability to get the ball to playmakers.

In large part because they're now playing for the Bears, Ravens and Titans. Travis Wilson isn't even close in talent to Bradley, Clayton or Brandon Jones. The two freshman have some potential, but they're about as green as you can get right now.

[duckman]

In large part because they're now playing for the Bears, Ravens and Titans. Travis Wilson isn't even close in talent to Bradley, Clayton or Brandon Jones. The two freshman have some potential, but they're about as green as you can get right now.
All three will be starting this Sunday for their respective teams. That says a lot about the talent they lost at the receiver position.

[Huckleberry]

Bomar will be fine. He needs a serviceable OL and decent receivers. He looked like a freshman playing a good Texas team in the Texas/OU game yesterday. It happens. Combine it with a crappy line and subpar receivers and I'm not sure what you were expecting.

The McEachern kid from Austin High is atrocious. I'm an Austin High alum and I watched him play several times. There's a reason Paul Thompson is still getting the work at backup even though he's a receiver.

As for Austin High kids, I'm surprised Fred Strong has had zero impact whatsoever. Good athlete. I recall him beating a Michael Griffin/Marcus Griffin double team for a TD when he was a junior and they were seniors. Michael, of course, starts for Texas at safety. The pass was predictably a floater from McEachern but he made a play on it after outrunning the Griffins.

[Cuckoo]

And I for one won't be surprised if Stoops pulls a Bill Snyder and the top rated JuCo QB in the country is taking snaps in Norman next season.

And although it's obviously nothing conclusive yet, I found this in this morning's Oklahoman and thought I'd back up jackyl's point. :)

Stepping back: Stoops said quarterback Rhett Bomar “probably took a step backward” in the loss to Texas. Bomar completed 12 of 33 passes for 94 yards, and misfired badly on several early in the game. Coaches also said he held the ball too long against Texas’ pressure.

“I think it was pretty obvious (Bomar took a step backward), compared to how he had played in the UCLA and Kansas State games,” Stoops said. “Again, we still are very encouraged that he’s capable of it, and for whatever reasons, he wasn’t as productive or consistent or played like he’s capable (against Texas).”

When a reporter asked if OU would consider recruiting a junior-college quarterback, Stoops said, “it’s a possibility.”


Emphasis mine.

[cartman]

It sounds like Bomar is taking the Chris Simms college career track.

:D