FOF Multiplayer - Champions (and conference champions) league?

[Kodos]

I was thinking it would be interesting to fill out a league with nothing but former league champion owners from the various leagues. Of course, I have no ability to run a league, so I'm not offering to run such a league - I'm more of an idea alien. :)

Also, I would obviously wouldn't be a candidate to join such a league, since I can't even win a freakin' division title. :(

[cthomer5000]

Wow, really interesting idea.

[Kodos]

Well, the idea did come directly from a post I made on the GEFL board (http://www.fof-gefl.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=346&start=20&sid=b8a5ce598f85ce677a1e5297bfddc8e3). So the idea was pretty much born with you in mind. ;)

[gottimd]

A tournament of champions? Have each league submit their champ and have a big tournament. I think this was posed before, but it is an excellent idea. But each league has different global settings, not sure how that would effect anything if at all. Also, who would each league send since we are all on different schedules. Would the FastFL send 456,738 champions because that is how many they have in a year?

[Kodos]

No, although that would be cool as well if possible. What I'm proposing is a new league featuring owners who have won championships in existing leagues who would then draft their teams from scratch. That would be a fun league to watch. It could be called the Top Gun Football League. :)

I feel the need... the need for speed.

[cthomer5000]

BTW, there are well over 32 different people listed as champion's on Northwood_DK's multi-player HOF webpage, so there is theoretically enough of a base there.

I would definitely be interested, but I think I'd need to be convinced of the long-term viability of the league (solid commish, web site, etc) before getting involved.

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This takes me back to wishing their were ways to export/import teams for exhibition games. If that happened you could actually run a "tournament" which would be an interesting (although admittedly completely different) idea.

[gottimd]

So essentially an invite only league?


But wouldn't some GM's want to stay with the team that had built rather than jumping to another league and starting over from scratch with other randoms and possibly different rules and variables and sim schedules?

[sachmo71]

but then waffle house wouldn't be L33T anymore.

[Kodos]

So essentially an invite only league?


But wouldn't some GM's want to stay with the team that had built rather than jumping to another league and starting over from scratch with other randoms and possibly different rules and variables and sim schedules?

As far as I know, what you're proposing isn't possible to do. What I'm proposing is. :)

[cthomer5000]

So essentially an invite only league?
Yeah, with the criteria being matter-of-fact... you need to have won another multiplayer league.

But wouldn't some GM's want to stay with the team that had built rather than jumping to another league and starting over from scratch with other randoms and possibly different rules and variables and sim schedules?
No one would be asking those winners to leave their current leagues. It'd be up to them whether they wanted to join the new one. Some people can handle multiple leagues (i'm in 2), some probably wouldn't want the hassle.

Personally, I'm not sure I could handle more leagues than the two i'm in. So I'd probably have to consider leaving one of those, or risk growing more detached from each of my teams.

but then waffle house wouldn't be L33T anymore.
Good point. Forget this whole idea! :)

[sachmo71]

More than 2 leagues is hard.
:( = CFL

[Kodos]

Yep, multiple leagues is a lot of work. Not sure I am cut out for it.

[MIJB#19]

but then waffle house wouldn't be L33T anymore.Impossible. There'll always be one league that jumps out as the most elite league and that's Waffle House. :cool:

[JeeberD]

More than 2 leagues is hard.
:( = CFL

I beat the Raging Whores in week 2, punk!

[gstelmack]

Ooo, I'd take on the extra work of being in 2 leagues to join this one...

[Kodos]

Here's a list of prospective owners:

http://www.sfofmphof.naflsim.com/Winners.htm

[Cuckoo]

Here's a list of prospective owners:

http://www.sfofmphof.naflsim.com/Winners.htm

NAFL has since added New England to that list as well.

[albionmoonlight]

I like the idea, but I could not do it unless I dropped one of the two leagues in which I already am.

[MIJB#19]

Kodos, thanks for inspiring to go out on a limb and actually try to have a shot at the first GEFL title. (Wait a sec, I just lost my best player to injury...)

[Northwood_DK]

NAFL has since added New England to that list as well.
I will be back updating the page in the end of this month.

[MIJB#19]

Personally, I'm not sure I could handle more leagues than the two i'm in. So I'd probably have to consider leaving one of those, or risk growing more detached from each of my teams.
I like the idea, but I could not do it unless I dropped one of the two leagues in which I already am.
Will Kodos' plan kill the IHOF? Or is it the alien's way to get rid of the two dominant owners of the league? And can he guide his Nessies to victory in Futility Bowl VI? Find out in the next episode of FOFC: behind the scenes of MPFOF.

[gottimd]

Find out in the next episode of FOFC: behind the scenes of MPFOF.
What channel, what time?

[Kodos]

IHOF General Discussion, Thursday at 12:20 EST. At least the Futility Bowl part. :)

[Cuckoo]

I will be back updating the page in the end of this month.

Yeah, didn't mean to rush you. I read what you had posted in that other thread. I was just mentioning that here because I didn't want some guys from NAFL to get invites and another not that deserved it.

[JeeberD]

What channel, what time?

Same FOF time, same FOF channel?

[sachmo71]

whoo...Solly and Wig.

Should be fun!

[Kodos]

Yeah, didn't mean to rush you. I read what you had posted in that other thread. I was just mentioning that here because I didn't want some guys from NAFL to get invites and another not that deserved it.

Of course, this league is in a very hypothetical state. No commish, only a couple guys have expressed limited interest. :)

[MIJB#19]

IHOF General Discussion, Thursday at 12:20 EST. At least the Futility Bowl part. :)Make that 12:30 EST (I won't be online earlier than that.) BTW, we should advertise the game at more FOF sites, this is only the third one, including the IHOF board... ;)

[Kodos]

It's all about the exposure, baby!

[Passacaglia]

Here's a list of prospective owners:

http://www.sfofmphof.naflsim.com/Winners.htm

I hadn't been looking at that thread -- I just get called "Aaron"? My FOFC identity doesn't get to live on.

I'd be interested in this league, and not that I have better net access, I could try commishing if no one else wants to do it.

[stevew]

One cool thing that you could do is initially fill the league, and then have some sort of "alternate" order for new owners. Every year the bottom 4 teams or so could be kicked to the bottom of the list(which would be adding new winners every season, BTW), and 4 new owners from the list would take over. You'd have to limit trading draft picks to the current draft only, though, as it would be unfair for someone to acquire one of the 4 worst teams in the league, and have his pick gone, and have his chance of staying in the league severely limited.

[MIJB#19]

One cool thing that you could do is initially fill the league, and then have some sort of "alternate" order for new owners. Every year the bottom 4 teams or so could be kicked to the bottom of the list(which would be adding new winners every season, BTW), and 4 new owners from the list would take over. You'd have to limit trading draft picks to the current draft only, though, as it would be unfair for someone to acquire one of the 4 worst teams in the league, and have his pick gone, and have his chance of staying in the league severely limited.How about 32 leagues getting an annual invite and the league getting their own chance to sent their representation? (kinda as in the soccer world's Champions' League)
Yeah, the team would carry over to a potential new owner from the same league, but it could work, no?

[sovereignstar]

This idea will die before dinner time.

[gstelmack]

How about 32 leagues getting an annual invite and the league getting their own chance to sent their representation? (kinda as in the soccer world's Champions' League)
Yeah, the team would carry over to a potential new owner from the same league, but it could work, no?
Except for guys like me that are no longer in the league where we won the championship.

I say you line up owners and go. When someone drops out, that opens up a spot for someone else who has since won a championship. Or, after 3 or 4 seasons (giving someone just one season isn't enough time for them to make their mark on a team), you start dropping the lowest-ranked owners and letting others who want in in, with the caveat that a new owner gets the same grace period as the starting owners.

So, say, every season you drop the lowest 2 teams (as determined by draft pick order) whose GMs have been in the league at least 3 seasons and open those spots up to any new winners from other leagues.

[Kodos]

I think once you are in, you are in until you leave.

[gottimd]

I think once you are in, you are in until you leave.
Blood in....blood out...bound by honor?

[Anthony]

i'm interested in this league. fuck the prerequisites. i want to put my photoshop skills to good use and use them for things other than making pics of me crushing sov's girlfriend's ass.

[Anthony]

jsut make another mega elite league. this time no preference draft.

there's always room for more mega elite leagues.

[Kodos]

i'm interested in this league. fuck the prerequisites. i want to put my photoshop skills to good use and use them for things other than making pics of me crushing sov's girlfriend's ass.


Looks over HA's FOF resume. No league championships. No conference championships. No division championships. Drafted one ugyly ass QB. No thanks!


:)

[Anthony]

Looks over HA's FOF resume. No league championships. No conference championships. No division championships. Drafted one ugyly ass QB. No thanks!


:)

Been to the playoffs more times in his short IHOF tenure than Kodos. check

[cthomer5000]

I think once you are in, you are in until you leave.
I dunno, I kind of like the promotion/demotion idea. Maybe broaden it to the point where ever season you drop the owner who has had the worst record over the last 3 years?

[sachmo71]

i'm interested in this league. fuck the prerequisites. i want to put my photoshop skills to good use and use them for things other than making pics of me crushing sov's girlfriend's ass.


Why would you crush her ass?
Would you use a winepress or something like the Terminator was killed in?

[Kodos]

Been to the playoffs more times in his short IHOF tenure than Kodos. check

http://www.fof-ihof.com/team/teamhistory.php?teamid=8

Got his ass pounded in the playoffs both times. Check.

Won fewer playoff games than Kodos. Check.

Left the league in a hissy fit over the fact he couldn't overcome the preference draft. Check.

Sucks at Madden. Check.

This is fun. :)

[MIJB#19]

[HA] won fewer playoff games than Kodos. Check.So that Futility Bowl V was worth something afterall, huh?
That tells me you can forfeit Futility Bowl VI and I'll hand you a win in the GEFL for your trouble to run the 100% punt offense. (I'll even start Fumblin' Justin to give you a shot at the victory on fumble recovery touchdowns. :D)

[cthomer5000]

you forgot, "trying to weasel back into the league and then eventually quitting at that."

[Kodos]

you forgot, "trying to weasel back into the league and then eventually quitting at that."

That was extra-pathetic.

[Anthony]

yeah, nevermind. i finally remembered the crap that made it easy for me to leave IHOF. :)

[Kodos]

I dunno, I kind of like the promotion/demotion idea. Maybe broaden it to the point where ever season you drop the owner who has had the worst record over the last 3 years?

Hey, it's not my league, just my idea. Whoever wants to commish and the league can decide. I obviously am not invited because I suck. :)

[sachmo71]

yeah, nevermind. i finally remembered the crap that made it easy for me to leave IHOF. :)


what crap made you try to weasel back in?

[Kodos]

yeah, nevermind. i finally remembered the crap that made it easy for me to leave IHOF. :)

Twice. :) :)

[sovereignstar]

what crap made you try to weasel back in?

From downtown!

[Joe]

i'd be interested in being in this league, also interested in helping run/host it. I think a committee approach would be the way to go if this gets off the ground.

[Passacaglia]

I'm up for a committee approach too. I also like the idea of having to earn your keep in the league. Kicking 4 teams out seems excessive, but I think kicking one team out per season seems plausible. After all, we'll have more people become eligible, and people kicked out can get back on the waiting list!

[Passacaglia]

In that list, the FFL has a new champion -- his name is Washington GM.

Should divisions be based on what league you won? I don't know if it would increase or decrease the fun factor to be in the same division as people who won the same league you won.

[jeff061]

I like the idea of matching teams from the same leagues to the same divisions. That's a good thought.

[Taco]

So let's hold off on this until I win the GEFL title this season, okay?

[yabanci]

I might be interested too. Just give me the Los Angeles Raiders :)

[Pyser]

if yab and jeff061 are in, i want in too. and i want in their division! enfl champions rivalry, baby!

[stevew]

I'm up for a committee approach too. I also like the idea of having to earn your keep in the league. Kicking 4 teams out seems excessive, but I think kicking one team out per season seems plausible. After all, we'll have more people become eligible, and people kicked out can get back on the waiting list!Every year it sure seems 4-5 NFL coaches get the boot. One thing I've always wanted out of a league is for there to be an mandated incentive to win, with eager canidates willing to pick up the pieces of bad teams and make them good. If you want to stay in the Champions League, you have to earn your keep. At the end of the first season, every team with 5 wins or less gets a warning. At the end of the second year, any team with 2 warnings gets replaced. 2 warnings in any given 3 year period results in a firing. Something like that. Every game should matter.

[Passacaglia]

Every year it sure seems 4-5 NFL coaches get the boot. One thing I've always wanted out of a league is for there to be an mandated incentive to win, with eager canidates willing to pick up the pieces of bad teams and make them good. If you want to stay in the Champions League, you have to earn your keep. At the end of the first season, every team with 5 wins or less gets a warning. At the end of the second year, any team with 2 warnings gets replaced. 2 warnings in any given 3 year period results in a firing. Something like that. Every game should matter.

I totally agree. I think the details would need to be worked out as a league, but I think it's definitely something we can do. I figure that while there's no waiting list, everyone should be safe, but once people start lining up, jobs might be on the line.

But...how to decide who gets the boot? Should it be completely wins-based? At first I thought that wouldn't be a good idea, since some teams just have bad years. But then again, that really helps teams to try to win every game, and not play for a draft pick.

[Passacaglia]

if yab and jeff061 are in, i want in too. and i want in their division! enfl champions rivalry, baby!

Sounds like there's a lot of support for league winners in the same division. I kind of like that idea, too. Seems like hiring and firings might screw things up a little, but I think that's okay. Also, if more than one coach gets fired, we can try to line things up so that coaches who won the same league are in the same division as each other, or at least the same conference -- if we can.

[KWhit]

This seems fun. I'm not eligible, but it will be fun to watch from the sidelines. Maybe I'll have to join a crappy league run by someone who can't win at multiplayer so I can quickly become eligible.

Hmmm.. Is HA's league still active?










Note, this was only meant as a shot at HA, not at the other members of the league he ran. :)

[gottimd]

Isn't there an MP league that finishes about a season every 2 weeks or so? So do they get all of the invites since they will probably have a ton of league champs a year?

[Anthony]

This seems fun. I'm not eligible, but it will be fun to watch from the sidelines. Maybe I'll have to join a crappy league run by someone who can't win at multiplayer so I can quickly become eligible.

Hmmm.. Is HA's league still active?










Note, this was only meant as a shot at HA, not at the other members of the league he ran. :)

i didn't run it, sov did. i just provided the website and maintained the frontpage.

many will tell you the website/frontpage was the best thing about the league. :)

[Passacaglia]

Isn't there an MP league that finishes about a season every 2 weeks or so? So do they get all of the invites since they will probably have a ton of league champs a year?

Yeah, the FastFL. I think they do a season every three weeks. Luckily, they started late, so they only have done 7 years, with 5 different champs.

[Kodos]

Hmmm. Happy to see my idea taking off, even if I am utterly ineligible to join the league. I'm like one of the quarry diggers at Indiana University who built all the magnificent buildings but then didn't belong in the town I built.*





* Watch "Breaking Away" to get an idea of what I'm talking about if you don't understand. :)

[cthomer5000]

CUTTER!!!

[Kodos]

CUTTER!!!


Good movie, but boy did they ever mess up the sequencing when they show him riding his bike around campus. It's even worse than when Harry and Sally are driving from Chicago to NYC and they are shown heading North on Lake Shore drive... :p

[cthomer5000]

I remember starting a thread a while back based around the lead actor in that movie. A guy who in my mind would have been headed for big things, but totally fizzled out. He was great in that movie.

[Gallifrey]

This looks like a great idea. A fun league to watch, which I will be doing because I like to loose championship games.

And the idea of bringing in fresh GM's to take over weak teams is interesting. Like the NFL the weak teams will make a change. And the challange of turning the teams around will be a blast, with the heat on and needing to perform well.

[Kodos]

... and againt the best owners in multiplayer. :)

[Passacaglia]

So GWB and I have been talking a bit about making this thing a reality and co-commishing the thing. We really didn't get any further in our talk beyond that. I figure we should have a few commissioners, given that no one's place is safe. The HFL runs a 5-team commish council, and that seems to work pretty well. If anyone else is interested in helping us out, let us know!

[yabanci]

But...how to decide who gets the boot? Should it be completely wins-based? At first I thought that wouldn't be a good idea, since some teams just have bad years. But then again, that really helps teams to try to win every game, and not play for a draft pick.

Instead of conferences there could be two tribes, each with a project leader. The project leader would nominate two others to go into Martha's boardroom and the tribe would vote one of them off the island unless they can win the golden power of veto in some kind of hand to hand combat.

[edlglide]

I might be interested in joining this........although I have to actually win the IFL first. I'm taking baby steps though -- finally won a playoff game this year after losing the first game in my other 4 playoff appearances. So now I'm 1-5 in the playoffs.

[Kodos]

I might be interested in joining this........although I have to actually win the IFL first. I'm taking baby steps though -- finally won a playoff game this year after losing the first game in my other 4 playoff appearances. So now I'm 1-5 in the playoffs.


Chubby? Is that you? Wait, no. You won 1 playoff game. :)

[cthomer5000]

Hell Atlantic really can't stay away from this thread. He's been reading it everytime I've been in here.

[stevew]

This league should be the first league if there is a new FOF NFL game.

[Kodos]

Hell Atlantic really can't stay away from this thread. He's been reading it everytime I've been in here.


He needs to go into stealth mode. http://www.fof-ihof.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/icon_ninja.gif

[cthomer5000]

This league should be the first league if there is a new FOF NFL game.
I had that thought and forgot to post it. It might actually be the best usage of this idea.

[gottimd]

So does my 15-33 three year record, no playoffs or championships qualify me for the league? :confused: :D

[Kodos]

No, but you would qualify for the rival Chumpions league that I'm in.

[Anthony]

Hell Atlantic really can't stay away from this thread. He's been reading it everytime I've been in here.

so what's it to you? i go where i want, it's a public thread.

[cthomer5000]

Just making an observation, buddy. I can do that in public, here in this public thread.

[mckerney]

http://www.fof-ihof.com/team/teamhistory.php?teamid=8

Got his ass pounded in the playoffs both times. Check.

Won fewer playoff games than Kodos. Check.

Left the league in a hissy fit over the fact he couldn't overcome the preference draft. Check.

Asked for someone elses team under a different username. Check.

Sucks at Madden. Check.

This is fun. :)

Fixed.

[Kodos]

After October 5th, 2005, this thread must be Hell Atlantic-free!

[Anthony]

you got lucky in IHOF because of how the preference draft turned out, and still benefit to this day i'm sure because of that one initial draft. you like that observation?

i bet you haven't come close to winning in that other league of yours. you're a farce. there - that's another observation. :)

[Anthony]

Fixed.

i asked for your team in particular because you make 1 post every 4 months. i made more posts in IHOF and contributed more as coolroy than you did in your entire career.

what else you got chief? :confused:

[sovereignstar]

If we're going to use post counts to determine membership, I think we should use a more sophisticated system than simply calculating a raw count.

For instance, each post should be rated for its content. A long, thoughtful post, such as Chief Rum's above, should rate more than a 1. It contains several ideas and contains conceptual analysis, which, I believe makes it worth about 8 or 9 regular posts.

Also, posts containing grammar errors or other solecisms should downgrade the value of a post. For instance, messing up your and you're, or its and it's should instantly halve the value of a post. A spelling error should carry an instant 25% deduction.

We should also factor in bad owners (such as myself), who are negligent in turning in stage files. For instance, I know I need a free agent guard. But for some reason, I neglected to turn in an intermediate stage file the other day with a free agent offer. That's unforgivable. I've also missed a couple of stages entirely. For that alone, my count should be docked at least 50 posts. I've never voted here, either, which should cost me another 200 posts.

So, what we need to do is set up a committee that constantly analyzes the forum and adjusts post counts accordingly with our new rules. We should also come up with seven or eight different ways of calculating adjusted post counts, and vote on the scheme we like the best.

Then, daily, the committee could post its adjusted totals, and twice a season (we can vote on how often this is done), the owner with the lowest total (probably me, since I'm at -250 already) would be bounced from the league and publicly humiliated.

.

[Kodos]

you got lucky in IHOF because of how the preference draft turned out, and still benefit to this day i'm sure because of that one initial draft. you like that observation?

i bet you haven't come close to winning in that other league of yours. you're a farce. there - that's another observation. :)

Actually, he is on the verge of winning his division in the first year.

[Anthony]

Actually, he is on the verge of winning his division in the first year.

if you could see my face right now, you'd see my "i don't give a fucking shit" face. :)

why don't we just open this league to the public, and forget about the championship nonsense. there's some good ideas flowing in this thread that are bigger in scope than simply making it about needing to win a championship. if you got people in two or 3 leagues already, they'll be stretchign things thin as is, might as well open it up to people like me who only do one FOF league at a time.

[sovereignstar]

HA, if you were to partake in this league, would you harrass other owners that spent their time on another league's board, even if you weren't commisssioner?

[Anthony]

HA, if you were to partake in this league, would you harrass other owners that spent their time on another league's board, even if you weren't commisssioner?

i put the "ass" in harass.

[Kodos]

if you could see my face right now, you'd see my "i don't give a fucking shit" face. :)

why don't we just open this league to the public, and forget about the championship nonsense. there's some good ideas flowing in this thread that are bigger in scope than simply making it about needing to win a championship. if you got people in two or 3 leagues already, they'll be stretchign things thin as is, might as well open it up to people like me who only do one FOF league at a time.

Errmm, no. Go create your own league.

[Anthony]

Errrrmm, then a good name for your league would be FastFL 2, since most of the 100+ champions in that league will be eligible for this champions league. :rolleyes:

[Anthony]

c'mon...let's keep the embers from dying out. this league sounds like it has potential.

[gottimd]

Does La Liga Hispanica champion get an invite?

[Joe]

Does La Liga Hispanica champion get an invite?


I was talking to their champion today, and he expressed interest. But I told him I wasn't sure if the champion of a league with only 10 human teams would get an invite. :D

[cthomer5000]

c'mon...let's keep the embers from dying out. this league sounds like it has potential.
Unless you're starting up a 1-man multiplayer league soon, why are you interested?

[gottimd]

I was talking to their champion today, and he expressed interest. But I told him I wasn't sure if the champion of a league with only 10 human teams would get an invite. :D
They're cyborgs?!?!?!?

[cthomer5000]

Thinking about it further, there are a few roads to take here.

Save this league idea for the next version of the game. A commish starts a league, and either he alone or he and a few people draw up a wish-list and invite them or take applications for entrace. They pick the 32 best possible owners based on accomplishments (making judgement calls where necessary) and start up. If possible, replacement owners all have at least 1 FOF2004 MP title to their name.

Start this league with FOF2004. To me if this is the case, relegation (or expulsion in this case?) is a must to me. You've got a lot of active leagues, so it's somewhat unfair to just say "sorry!" to those who win a title the day after this "Champions League" would start. The hard part is finding a balance between enough turnover to keep the competition level as high as possible (and involve as many interested parties as possible) and keeping some sort of consitency of ownership together. Mentally I'm thinking booting 1 team, or 1 team from each conference (2 teams total) each year, based on who has had the worst record over the last 3 years. I haven't fully worked through the mechanics of such an idea though, but it seems like the right idea to me.

[Anthony]

i just wanna rock out with my cock out. my photoshop wants to be put to good use and i've added microsoft movie maker to my arsenal. time to get down with the get-down.

[cthomer5000]

thoughts on the pool of candidates:

Any GM who has won a championship in a recognized multi-player league. I personally suggest there be criteria for determing what a "recognized" MP league is. something along the lines of :

The league has been around for at least 3 complete season
There must be X (32? 25+?) human GMs in a season for the season to be recognized
The GM must have been in control of the team for a majority of the championship season to qualify

I don't bring this stuff up to be an fucking elitist, but just to avoid the champion of Joe BlowFL (a 2 human league) getting in over someone who beat out 31 other people to win a title.

...just throwing some more thoughts out there.

[Anthony]

anyone who wants to do a league that implements the good ideas listed in this thread and not have this silly "must have won a championship in another league" criteria - let me know.

[sachmo71]

I think you should have to win a championship to be in this league.

[Nwobhm]

I think this is an interesting idea, but there should be some control on which leagues are deemed acceptable to produce eligible champs. I'm thinking specifically of some of the newer leagues who have nearly half their teams controlled by the AI, which makes it easier to succeed. Also, i'd disqualify the FastFL champs if it was up to me, as the teams there don't gameplan vs specific opponents (season simmed in 4 stages), which taints the results in my view.

[Dutch]

Relegation, if implemented properly, would be awesome.

Perhaps just one team per year would have to go.

We could start up a waiting list (with the initial list created at random with interested owners).

Once you get in and get booted, you just go to the end of the waiting list and hope to catch on with another team later on.

The real problem here would be time. Seasons take to long for people on the outside to remain interested.

That's why I really wanted to see a league like the FastFL implement relegation and offer it up to FOFC as the FOFC Fast League with Relegation. To get a larger community involvement in a single league.

But, perhaps it's just a bit too unorthodox or unrealistic to actually implement successfully.

[Kodos]

I think it would be neat if champions used their same team affiliation in this league. For instance, albionmoonlight's team in the Champs League would be Fairbanks Northstars. Just an idea.

[Vince]

I think it would be neat if champions used their same team affiliation in this league. For instance, albionmoonlight's team in the Champs League would be Fairbanks Northstars. Just an idea.
I like the idea, but there are too many leagues that use the NFL Franchises, I think. What happens when two 'Indianapolis Colts' want to join the league?

[jeff061]

Simple, the Colts go to me :).

Though really, if we kept team names they would be changing on a yearly basis. I think it's better to come up with a set of names, fictional or otherwise, and go with them.

[Passacaglia]

Yeah, I think that, whatever player types we use, we should just use regular NFL teams -- the team names really shouldn't have any personality, since they won't be permanent. As for more detailed qualifications, I think that, in the interest of getting as close to 32 as possible, there should be no restrictions on what league you win. Remember, the FastFL has only 5 champions, so it's not like they would swarm the league (or like any of them has shown interest in this thread). Maybe once we're full we can eliminate the FastFL, or make it such that you have to win two FastFL crowns to be eligible (although I see Nwobhm's point about how the lack of gameplanning taints it).

[gottimd]

What, like a limitation on the amount of GM's from one league? Would the game be able to recognize the difference if you named a team, using the colts as an example:
Indianapolis Colts (GEFL)
Indianapolis Colts (NAFL)

Or just name teams by the MP league name, and if that GM has a losing record in 3 years, he can be replaced by a more recent champ from that same league? That way you don't have all champs from one league playing in this "Championship league", and that each league gets a chance to represent itself.

[jeff061]

I think the only limitation would be for leagues like the FastFL. Though I do agree with Nwobhm with his thoughts on gameplanning.

If we we kept matching team names to the owners initial leagues we'd be changing team names every year. I'd just prefer a static list. I don't think it's that important to have a team name equal to your championship team's name.

[cthomer5000]

Or just name teams by the MP league name, and if that GM has a losing record in 3 years, he can be replaced by a more recent champ from that same league? That way you don't have all champs from one league playing in this "Championship league", and that each league gets a chance to represent itself.
The reason I don't like this is because you're then artificially stocking the league. What is 5 of the best owners out there happen to be in (Insert League Here)? Why should they be forcefully restricted to 1 representative while reps from other leagues keep bombing out of the league?

[Kodos]

On further review, I don't like my suggestion about retaining names from other leagues. I think it should go with a static list that matches the current NFL teams.

Are there even enough leagues to have one representative per league? I don't like that idea. I do think one qualification should be that the league "champs" have to come from leagues with 32 real owners.

[gottimd]

I do think one qualification should be that the league "champs" have to come from leagues with 32 real owners.
I think it should be at least 85% human ownership or maybe even higher. Some leagues may have trouble filling GM spots as GM's leave, should thos leagues be penalized because they only have 30 out of 32 spots filled?

[Kodos]

I'd be okay with occasional vacancies in leagues, but anything below 30 owners would raise questions. Having 2 games on your schedule against AI teams is a nice boost on the way to the championship.

[cuervo72]

What if 5 of the best owners out there happen to be in (Insert League Here)?

Then what is the point of competing in this new league as opposed to the league which already has five of the best owners?

(just bite the bullet and start playing by house rules in IHOF, give yourself more of a challenge)

[cthomer5000]

Then what is the point of competing in this new league as opposed to the league which already has five of the best owners?
The point would be to hopefully assemble a league where the 32 best owners out there are playing together. It would probably be pretty cutthroat.



(just bite the bullet and start playing by house rules in IHOF, give yourself more of a challenge)
Come on, it's not that bad yet, is it?

[cuervo72]

Well, if you all are discussing the possibility of this new cutthroat league, it would not be a reach to assume that you are not being competitively challenged there.

[vex]

Why not have 3 or 4 leagues with promotion and relegation, with the top league starting off as the Champions League. But I suppose this isn't possible.

[jeff061]

That seems kind of subjective. What would be the deciding factor of a top league or the criteria in promotion and relegation?

I think we should keep it simple, have a set of leagues that match a certain criteria(ie, not FastFL), and allow people who have won a championship to apply for ownership.

[cthomer5000]

Well, if you all are discussing the possibility of this new cutthroat league, it would not be a reach to assume that you are not being competitively challenged there.
Well, without calling people out, do i think some owners in IHOF could be doing a better job? Absolutely. I think in such a league you could be closer to certain that everyone was doing nearly everything they could to make themselves as competitive as possible.

[gottimd]

I think we should keep it simple, have a set of leagues that match a certain criteria(ie, not FastFL), and allow people who have won a championship to apply for ownership.Application is a good idea, however, who decides who gets in and who doesn't? If the criteria so far discussed is only:
Valid MP league
Won a Championship
Received an invite to the league

So would some sort of committee, as in this League of Champions has 5 Commish's, decide who is good enough, or would it just go in order of application received?

[jeff061]

Don't know, I'm more open on that. At the very least how long you've been a part of the league that you won in should be taken into consideration.

[cthomer5000]

Application is a good idea, however, who decides who gets in and who doesn't? If the criteria so far discussed is only:
Valid MP league
Won a Championship
Received an invite to the league

So would some sort of committee, as in this League of Champions has 5 Commish's, decide who is good enough, or would it just go in order of application received?
I think basically an invite-only league with the qualifications being pretty black and white for eligibility.

[gottimd]

I think basically an invite-only league with the qualifications being pretty black and white for eligibility.
So when 3 or 4 leagues happen to finish at the same time, and there is one opening in this championship league, and those 3-4 GM's all apply, you are saying it is just "first come, first serve" essentially?

[jeff061]

I think they should all be eligible, but with a set of tie breaking criteria if more than one are vying for one spot. Such as duration in current league.

[Passacaglia]

So when 3 or 4 leagues happen to finish at the same time, and there is one opening in this championship league, and those 3-4 GM's all apply, you are saying it is just "first come, first serve" essentially?

I think the amount of coaches fired at the end of a season should be equal to the number of eligible coaches who want to join. That might get to be too many, but maybe we could put a cap on it if it seems high.

[jeff061]

Maybe this was covered, once an owner is dropped from the league can he ever come back and when?

[Passacaglia]

Maybe this was covered, once an owner is dropped from the league can he ever come back and when?

My thinking is that he should be able to come back. But that totally works against my statement about letting anyone elgible in, because that list will grow if we let people back in. I think that might be one we can play by ear. Maybe in order for a coach to come back, some other coach has to do worse than him? So let's say in the first season, a coach goes 6-10 and gets fired. He can come back if another coach goes 5-11. But another coach goes 1-15 -- that guy gets CANNED, and is unlikely to rejoin the league. Or maybe it can be based on your losses? Like you have to sit out 1 season for every 4 or 5 losses?

[Passacaglia]

FWIW, I'm excited about this league, and would really like to see it happen with the current version of the game. Besides, TCY2 is coming out this year, so it's a moot point, right? :)

[gottimd]

Maybe this was covered, once an owner is dropped from the league can he ever come back and when?
Good question. So lets say in the Champ league is year 2010, and he has the worst record, but simultaneously in his MP league, he just won the championship for the third year and running. I would suspect that he gets dropped from the Champ league, and gets to reapply and go back on the waiting list?

[cuervo72]

Well, without calling people out, do i think some owners in IHOF could be doing a better job? Absolutely. I think in such a league you could be closer to certain that everyone was doing nearly everything they could to make themselves as competitive as possible.

Ah, wrote a reply before my connection went bad...anyway, I think most leagues will have some owners like that (we call ours "Shucker" ;) ). I think even in a "champions" league you might, when real life gets in the way, or interest wanes for whatever reason (even some of the best owners lose focus). I wonder if you *did* have 32 cutthroat owners though if you'd wind up with a bunch of 9-7 to 7-9 teams...

[Anthony]

suddenly, i no longer interested in this league. i realized this would be the football version of soccer, with relegation and such. this league would be awesome if there was a game like TCY/FOF combined, where you could have owners fired from the champ league getting relegated to the college level as they wait their turn again.

also, i also realized i wouldn't like to get fired, then come back to the league and take over another team. i get very attached to my team/players - which is why i become very passionate about my team. to have to start over constantly (if i were to get fired several times) would ruin the fun, which is why i don't like TCY, cuz you're essentially "starting over" every 4 years and can't get attached to your favorite playes for no more than 4 years.

for a league this complex, you guys are better off waiting to see if jim comes out with a new version of FOF, which might have more capabilities.

[jeff061]

I don't know. Your concerns are valid. But I wouldn't mind getting fired and coming back on another team because the eNFL Colts are ultimatly where my loyalties lie. If the championship league was the only one I was in it would probably interest me less.

I'd rather not wait on a new version of FOF. Who knows if it exists, who knows when. Too many questions, the idea could very well die before we even get new information on Jim's next game.

[gottimd]

I would still think that if a new version happens to come out, a championship league wouldn't be formed, but that it would be better to just have a tournament of champions, where you could export your exact team, and so could the other GM's. Have one massive tournament (ie NCAA tournament) with 64 GM's, once a year. That way loyalties wouldn't be swayed, it would only take 6 sims to complete.

That again would only be possible if each team could export their championship team and the Tournament Commissioner could import them all.

EDIT: Roster Maxs would be higher in this instance in case of injuries. No one could pick up FA's. And I know its easier said then done, but in a MP league, if you are the GM who wins, when you import the next stage file, there is another option below "Export Stage File", like "Export Online Tournament of Champions Team". This is the export that would be sent. When all 64 or x amount of teams are entered, the game produces rankings based on league criteria and other factors and thus the tournament is born. Again, probably impossible to code in a game.

[cthomer5000]

I would still think that if a new version happens to come out, a championship league wouldn't be formed, but that it would be better to just have a tournament of champions, where you could export your exact team, and so could the other GM's. Have one massive tournament (ie NCAA tournament) with 64 GM's, once a year. That way loyalties wouldn't be swayed, it would only take 6 sims to complete.

That again would only be possible if each team could export their championship team and the Tournament Commissioner could import them all.
I really hope this happens at some point. It would just be so amazing seeing the 2004 Fairbanks Northstars take on the 2005 Chesapeake Chili Dogs, etc...

[Passacaglia]

Here's the list of league champions who have expressed interest:

1. cthomer
2. gstelmack
albionmoonlight (maybe?)
3. Passacaglia
4. George W Bush
5. jeff061
6. yabanci
7. pyser
8. La Liga Hispania champion who talked to GWB
9. EaglesFan27

Not a bad start..we might not be full at the beginning, but maybe we could build stability, and get more champions eventually?

[Eaglesfan27]

I'm interested as well. However, life is chaotic at the moment, and my availability would depend on a league start date.

[Passacaglia]

I'll edit my post to add you in, EF!

Anyone else?

[Vince]

I'll edit my post to add you in, EF!

Anyone else?
Well, Kodos and I are interested, but we can't come out to play yet :)

[Anthony]

Well, Kodos and I are interested, but we can't come out to play yet :)

ditto.

[-Mojo Jojo-]

I would be interested (eNFL 2009, not in the champions page yet...)

[Kodos]

Well, Kodos and I are interested, but we can't come out to play yet :)


I'll probably never be able to come out and play. Can't even win my freakin' division.

[Kodos]

ditto.


Are you Eric Crouch? You're in. You're out. You're in. You're out. You're in. You're out.

[gottimd]

I'm in the basement grounded as well in the NAFL and can't come out and play yet either.

[Anthony]

Are you Eric Crouch? You're in. You're out. You're in. You're out. You're in. You're out.

nah, more like Ross Perot.

just keeping my hat in the ring, in the event this expands to non-championship teams. if it expands to non-winners then i can make this league my only league. if i have to be in another league in order to be in this one, ehhhhh...

[Nwobhm]

How about this idea? We select 8 established MP leagues and assign each division in the proposed league to one of them. Each league can then decide their own criteria for how their 4 spots will be filled and/or rotated. It would be cool to have the eNFL division, IHOF division, CFL division.. etc.

[Joe]

ok guys, I threw up a messageboard on my site so we can discuss this a little easier than sifting through this big thread that will undoubtedly become bigger.

http://joenitedstatesofamerica.com/champs/


feel free to go there and we can bounce ideas off of each other.

[scarface132]

I am interested and have fof titles.

[Passacaglia]

bump

We've got 11 teams over there. Not a bad start, and more are on the way.

[Passacaglia]

Is the site down for everyone else?

[jeff061]

Seems like it.

[albionmoonlight]

Here's the list of league champions who have expressed interest:

1. cthomer
2. gstelmack
albionmoonlight (maybe?)
3. Passacaglia
4. George W Bush
5. jeff061
6. yabanci
7. pyser
8. La Liga Hispania champion who talked to GWB
9. EaglesFan27

Not a bad start..we might not be full at the beginning, but maybe we could build stability, and get more champions eventually?
FWIW, I don't think at this time that I want to commit to another league. Good luck with a great idea.

[Kodos]

F'in non-elitist!!!

[cuervo72]

FWIW, I don't think at this time that I want to commit to another league. Good luck with a great idea.

I treat this as good news...

[Passacaglia]

Any conference champs interested? We'll probably open the league to them, until we get filled up.

[KWhit]

Perhaps. If you're opening it up to the bowl losers, I might be interested.

[cthomer5000]

I think I'll have to pass on this. I've got two leagues going, and don't think I'd have time for another (also, I'm unwilling to drop either of the leagues I'm in).

[JeeberD]

I'm 0-5 in playoff games...does that earn me a spot? ;)

[jeff061]

Opening it up to bowl losers is a good idea I think. As long as HA never made it to a bowl...

[Dutch]

I think you should just give out slots to all the major leagues that show interest and then have them appoint a designated owner to represent the league.

Then future champs could take over if they want. Who cares how the IHOF fields owners for IHOF Team #1 and IHOF Team #2, so long as they fill them. Same for CFL and the USFL or any other league that's been invited to participate.

[Passacaglia]

I think you should just give out slots to all the major leagues that show interest and then have them appoint a designated owner to represent the league.

Then future champs could take over if they want. Who cares how the IHOF fields owners for IHOF Team #1 and IHOF Team #2, so long as they fill them. Same for CFL and the USFL or any other league that's been invited to participate.

My main problem with this is that there would be controversy about what leagues get what slots. I'm in favor of a limited form of this -- perhaps any league that isn't represented by a champion (or bowl loser) can bring someone else in.

My other worry is how the owner from these leagues will be decided. I just don't see a bunch of members from some of these leagues really caring enough to vote on this. And besides, this isn't supposed to be a popularity contest, it's about success in the game.

[chinaski]

Im interested, I won the SB in the HFL. Also won in the NCFL but it no longer exists, but it was still a great league ran by Bill Abner. Ive been to the SB in every league ive been in, now that i think about it.

[MizzouRah]

Does 4 wins qualify?

[Kodos]

Does 4 wins qualify?

Barely. ;)

[Joe]

Is the site down for everyone else?

The server my website is on went ka-boom :(

[gottimd]

The server my website is on went ka-boom :(Boom goes the dynamite!

[yabanci]

Is there any interest in doing a full pick-by-pick initial draft? We all have other leagues we're devoted to, so it doesn't seem like there sould be a huge rush to start the same-old in another league. I'd like a new kind of challenge rather than just getting a semi-randomly generated team and then trying to fix it from there.

[Passacaglia]

Is there any interest in doing a full pick-by-pick initial draft? We all have other leagues we're devoted to, so it doesn't seem like there sould be a huge rush to start the same-old in another league. I'd like a new kind of challenge rather than just getting a semi-randomly generated team and then trying to fix it from there.

I'd be interested in that.

[Passacaglia]

The web site is back up.

[PackerFanatic]

As a two-time champion over in FastFL, I am expressing interest in this league.

Is it safe to assume that I can tell the other champions from my league about this league?

[Passacaglia]

As a two-time champion over in FastFL, I am expressing interest in this league.

Is it safe to assume that I can tell the other champions from my league about this league?

I'd say yes at this point. We need to get things filled. I think once we're full we'll have to make some kind of rule about it, but I think for now, we want to get rolling.

[PackerFanatic]

I understand that. Considering we finish a season in three weeks, that bitch could get filled quick. Although we only have 5 champs right now, pretty much on par with a lot of other leagues I assume.

[sachmo71]

Im interested, I won the SB in the HFL. Also won in the NCFL but it no longer exists, but it was still a great league ran by Bill Abner. Ive been to the SB in every league ive been in, now that i think about it.


Me too. :(


EDIT: Except the GEFL!

[Passacaglia]

Here's what we're looking at now, without conference champs. I think if we publicize this thing to conference champs (i.e. have Kodos change the title of this thread), we can get filled up pretty quickly.

1. George W Bush
2. Passacaglia
3. gstelmack
4. Varacel
5. scarface132
6. Mojo Jojo
7. pyser
8. triatleta
9. yabanci
10. Jeff061
11. Walt
12. j51
13. PackerFanatic
14. EaglesFan27
15. chinaski

Interested runner-ups:
16. Gallifrey
17. KWhit
18. sachmo

[Passacaglia]

sach, should I add you to the list?

[PackerFanatic]

Conference Champions are allowed in this too?

[Passacaglia]

Conference Champions are allowed in this too?

Everybody seems to think it would be a good idea, but I don't think it's been decided officially. If we do let conference champs in, it would just be in the beginning -- once we get the league filled, we'd start changing our requirements.

[PackerFanatic]

And I would also be willing to do a full pick-by-pick draft to start it off. Makes you seem more connected to your team right away.

[sachmo71]

sach, should I add you to the list?


I've been in the superbowl, but have not won. I am not a champion. Chinaski kicked my bobo in HFL, and I forget whom handed me my bobo in the CFL.

Now, if there is a runner-up league, I'm game for that!

[Kodos]

I think if we publicize this thing to conference champs (i.e. have Kodos change the title of this thread), we can get filled up pretty quickly.

1. George W Bush
2. Passacaglia
3. gstelmack
4. Varacel
5. scarface132
6. Mojo Jojo
7. pyser
8. triatleta
9. yabanci
10. Jeff061
11. Walt
12. j51
13. PackerFanatic
14. EaglesFan27
15. chinaski

Done, sir. :)

[Passacaglia]

Runner-ups are included, for now!

[RailsFS]

Well, I was a runner up in the infamous league you all hate/don't respect. Count me in the "initially interested" group, if all you elitists deem it acceptable. :)

[gottimd]

I hear gmac wants in!

[Joe]

I hear gmac wants in!


Pass invited him before the scandal broke out, but luckily he turned us down!

[WrongWay]

Is it too late to throw a monkey wrench into the works?

Why are you thinking about starting up another FOF league? You should be thinking about starting up an FOF Tournament!!!

In a 1 year game with owners representing their FOF MP Leagues. Their are 8 divisions, so you would have 8 MP Teams. You would probably want 6 regular MP Teams and 2 Independent Teams. This would change with each tournament as your elite 6 would lose their status if there team was beaten at the tournament.

You would have a Superbowl Winner
You would have an individual Points winner
And, then you would crown a MP Team winner.

You would have a huge list of all the things you award Team points for.

The top 16 players would get an automatic reservation for the next tournament and the top 5 MP Teams would also get a return invite. A new 6th MP team would be announced, based on last years independent owners, and then you would fill the remaining slots.

Rather than just playing for the Glory of being Superbowl champs you could prove to the rest of the world that you are in the Greatest FOF LEgue out there.

[Joe]

Is it too late to throw a monkey wrench into the works?

Why are you thinking about starting up another FOF league? You should be thinking about starting up an FOF Tournament!!!

In a 1 year game with owners representing their FOF MP Leagues. Their are 8 divisions, so you would have 8 MP Teams. You would probably want 6 regular MP Teams and 2 Independent Teams. This would change with each tournament as your elite 6 would lose their status if there team was beaten at the tournament.

You would have a Superbowl Winner
You would have an individual Points winner
And, then you would crown a MP Team winner.

You would have a huge list of all the things you award Team points for.

The top 16 players would get an automatic reservation for the next tournament and the top 5 MP Teams would also get a return invite. A new 6th MP team would be announced, based on last years independent owners, and then you would fill the remaining slots.

Rather than just playing for the Glory of being Superbowl champs you could prove to the rest of the world that you are in the Greatest FOF LEgue out there.


I don't understand what you are talking about. You want a tournament with 8 teams? What about the other 24 teams? If I wanted a league with that many computer controlled teams, I'd join the fastfl.

[WrongWay]

I don't understand what you are talking about. You want a tournament with 8 teams? What about the other 24 teams? If I wanted a league with that many computer controlled teams, I'd join the fastfl.
The 8 MP League Teams would each be comprised of 4 individual owners. Thus 32 individual game teams, but 8 MP League Teams. Now think in term of a Tournament; when a member of your MP League wins a game your MP League Teams would get points for the Tournament Championship.


Hell, I would put them all in the same Division too. Rather then the AFC North you would have the FFL Division represented by 4 owners from the FFL. And so on.




EDIT:I thought of this League Tournament idea when I was reading all these "I just don't have time for another League" posts here; and that is my case. I just don't have time for another League, but a Tournament is different, No on going, never ending play here. A starting date and a finish date for a tournament sounded good to me. You could play everyother Tournament switching with your fellow MP League team mates if you wanted.

[Anthony]

if jim listened to his customers and simply made his games as customizable as OOTP, you could have set up a league with as many (or little) teams that you'd want and be able to leave out AI controlled teams.

i really have to learn how to program games.

[jeff061]

Jim should of hit that easy button.

[WrongWay]

if jim listened to his customers and simply made his games as customizable as OOTP, you could have set up a league with as many (or little) teams that you'd want and be able to leave out AI controlled teams.

i really have to learn how to program games.
But, how changeable is this?

The problem with most leagues and AI controlled teams is that they used to be Human controlled teams. Can you change the size of the league every year?

Year 1 32 teams
Year 2 25 teams
Year 3 28 teams
Year 4 22 teams

Is this possible anywhere?

[Anthony]

it's possible in OOTP. you can add/remove teams.

i feel to see what you are saying, you want a tournament. so why do you need to have "year 1", "year 2", etc.? if that's the case, then it's an on-going league which is different from a one-and-done tournament. you can just keep on replaying each year 1, with different teams and as many or few teams as you wish. the continuuity of an actual league isn't required.

[WrongWay]

it's possible in OOTP. you can add/remove teams.

i feel to see what you are saying, you want a tournament. so why do you need to have "year 1", "year 2", etc.? if that's the case, then it's an on-going league which is different from a one-and-done tournament. you can just keep on replaying each year 1, with different teams and as many or few teams as you wish. the continuuity of an actual league isn't required.
This changing league size from year to year was me trying to be a smart-ass. Never in my wildest dreams did I think you could adjust your league size every year.

[PackerFanatic]

If I wanted a league with that many computer controlled teams, I'd join the fastfl.

Hey now...

[Kodos]

Hey now...

You're an all-star...

[Vince]

Just thought I'd put in a shameless bump because I'm now eligible for the league :)

Go Niners! :)

[Kodos]

Way to go, Vince! Couldn't be happier for you! :)

[scarface132]

Is there any interest in doing a full pick-by-pick initial draft? We all have other leagues we're devoted to, so it doesn't seem like there sould be a huge rush to start the same-old in another league. I'd like a new kind of challenge rather than just getting a semi-randomly generated team and then trying to fix it from there.

I'd be very interested in pick by pick.

[scarface132]

Btw, I want the Browns in this league, even if they blow!

[Passacaglia]

Yeah, we'll probably need to figure out how to do divisions and teams etc. Maybe if we put up some polls on the new site?

[Kodos]

At least I'd be eligible for my own league now. :)

[gottimd]

At least I'd be eligible for my own league now. :)
Braggart!:D

[MIJB#19]

At least I'd be eligible for my own league now. :)It wouldn't be complete without a futility bowl matchup, even if it was against my other fof team. ;)