OT - Rioting in Toledo, Ohio

[RebelMan]

Anyone hear about this?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9707507/

[JonInMiddleGA]

Saw the stories on & off through the day, particularly loved the way the early headlines (in the initial stories, not the one you linked) made it sound as though the skinheads were the ones doing the rioting.

[JW]

Hmmmm. So the proper response to a march by white supremacists is this?

"throwing baseball-sized rocks at police, vandalizing vehicles and stores, and setting fire to a neighborhood bar"

Interesting.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Y'know, this thread & this one:
http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~fof/forums/showthread.php?t=43634

could probably be combined.

[JW]

Well, I understand now. This explains it all:

Keith White, a black resident, criticized city officials for allowing the march: "They let them come here and expect this not to happen?" said White, 29.

Gee, I should have known that burning, looting, trashing, and trying to injure people (not the marchers, btw) is the correct response to a march by a group with aborrhent views. Something tells me the white supremacists are laughing about the result.

[Dutch]

Hmmmm, I don't think "Marching in a KKK rally" or "Rioting with Police" made my Top 10 things I wanted to do this weekend.

[Raiders Army]

What no looting?

I thought this was sort of humorous:

Keith White, a black resident, criticized city officials for allowing the march: “They let them come here and expect this not to happen?” said White, 29.

[TheOhioStateUniversity]

Their reaction was pretty ignorant, Ive never understood why people riot in their neigborhoods when they do this. Like the Los Angeles riot, considering what they were mad about why didnt they go to Beverly Hills or something and do it. Why burn up your city, who do you think really cares?

[Dutch]

Their reaction was pretty ignorant, Ive never understood why people riot in their neigborhoods when they do this. Like the Los Angeles riot, considering what they were mad about why didnt they go to Beverly Hills or something and do it. Why burn up your city, who do you think really cares?

Because it's too far to Beverly Hills. Think of the traffic on the 5 and 101 freeways. Ugh. They won't be in the mood for rioting when they get there. They will be exhausted.

Rioting is only worth-while if you can get to the free TV's in your flip-flops.

[Noop]

Fuck them bed sheet wearing mofo's...

[Greyroofoo]

link to the Toledo Blade, it gives a decent timeline of events

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051016/NEWS16/51016003

Its just tremendously sad that the Nazis were kind of proven right :(
Hate just provoked more hate which just brought in anger and destruction

[Solecismic]

If there's one group that deserves to be repeatedly pelted with rocks, it's the Nazis. I'd add the KKK, too. People who choose to wear the colors of those hate groups risk facing the hatred that those groups inspire. Kudos to those who have the guts to throw those rocks.

However, the entire spirit of civil disobedience is understanding that the police have a job to do, too. And those who turned their anger against the police were more in the wrong than the Neo-Nazis.

And those who saw the event as an opportunity to loot the local grocery store and break into homes are the exact reason so many urban areas are filled with dispair.

[Buccaneer]

I guess Saturday Night in Toledo Ohio is like being somewhere after all.

[JW]

It appears this was a deliberate riot by area gangs.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051016/ap_on_re_us/nazi_march;_ylt=AlaRw0SRqyI9UhWvXWNGiuqs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3ODdxdHBhBHNlYwM5NjQ-

Apparently their misguided attempt to defend their turf against the insult of the white supremacists backfired when they decided to tear up the neighborhood rather than focus on the white supremacists. And, as I said earlier, the white supremacists probably got exactly what they wanted out of the event. And anyway, these are gangs, and they don't give a damn about the community to begin with.

A subplot is that this is a changing neighborhood, apparently changing from a Polish-American neighborhood to African-American, according to the story, at least what it is implied in the story. So now I am wondering to what extent the gangs decided to attack Polish-American interests and if that was deliberate on their part.

[st.cronin]

It should also be pointed out that this is a bad job by whichever law enforcement agencies were in charge. Something like this (the Nazi rally) comes up, and job #1 is "Make Sure There Are No Riots."

[johneh]

You'd riot too if you lived in Toledo

[cuervo72]

[QUOTE=Solecismic]However, the entire spirit of civil disobedience is understanding that the police have a job to do, too. And those who turned their anger against the police were more in the wrong than the Neo-Nazis./QUOTE]

Yep, this quote stood out to me:

“This is stupid,” said O’Shai Crenshaw, 27, who lives on St. John Avenue. “Why burn this building? That building isn’t [owned by] the police or the Nazis. This doesn’t make any sense.”

Which would appear to me that the individual quoted holds about the same regard for the police as he (?) does for the Nazis. As long as this is the case, what is there to do, exactly?

I also wonder about gangs...it seems as though the march was just a good excuse for the gangs to act (why they need an excuse, I'm not really sure). Is there anything that can be done about gangs? And if they wanted to, couldn't they create as much havoc as insurgents in Iraq? At what point might gangs be classified as "enemy combatants" (I know, when you use force against your own populace, it's NOT a good thing...but if gangs got to the point where they *really* wanted to cause trouble...ok, I'll stop babbling now).

[Greyroofoo]

You'd riot too if you lived in Toledo

i grew up and lived in toledo, i don't see what everyone complains about

[TheOhioStateUniversity]

Well the area of Toledo I visited around the university of Toledo looked horrible. Probably the worst campus and surrounding area Ive ever seen, and Osu isnt exactly beverly hills.

[Riggins44]

"Hey, skinheads are coming."
"Hmm, seems like the best move would be to thrash our neighborhood."

[Warhammer]

I hate Ohio Nazis!

Seriously though, as much as I hate to say it, the Neo-Nazis have as much right to demonstrate as anyone.

The thing I don't get, is why come out and protest against them? I mean come on, regardless of the views the Neo-Nazis have, people have to realize that 99% of Americans don't listen to their drivel, don't they? All their rioting did was paint the neighborhood in a bad light.

[Ajaxab]

It appears this was a deliberate riot by area gangs.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051016/ap_on_re_us/nazi_march;_ylt=AlaRw0SRqyI9UhWvXWNGiuqs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3ODdxdHBhBHNlYwM5NjQ-

Apparently their misguided attempt to defend their turf against the insult of the white supremacists backfired when they decided to tear up the neighborhood rather than focus on the white supremacists. And, as I said earlier, the white supremacists probably got exactly what they wanted out of the event. And anyway, these are gangs, and they don't give a damn about the community to begin with.

A subplot is that this is a changing neighborhood, apparently changing from a Polish-American neighborhood to African-American, according to the story, at least what it is implied in the story. So now I am wondering to what extent the gangs decided to attack Polish-American interests and if that was deliberate on their part.

I suppose it's even sadder that Polish-Americans should find themselves victims of this violence given the way Poles suffered from Nazi attacks. It's likely that their ancestors came to this country to avoid these kinds of things and instead, this is what they receive.