NFL Week 6

[cthomer5000]

They're about to show a bit on "Greatest Sideline Confrontations Ever" on ESPN. I love this sort of stuff!

And Ricky is back... has to be today's biggest story.

[INDalltheway]

Am I the only person impressed with Thomas Jones? The guy is shifty as hell, and I couldn't even imagine him on a team with a passing attack.. I think he is a great back.

[stevew]

Tommy Maddox sucks ass.

[Icy]

Watching the Dolphins-Bucs game, let's see what Ricky can do, too bad that Cadillac is not playing (even more bad as i didn't have time to replace him before the game started in my fantasy).

[Sublime 2]

I'm intrigued by the return of ricky....we'll see how it goes

[mckerney]

Tommy Maddox sucks ass.

Yet Roethlisberger still doesn't get enough credit from some people because they claim because Pittsburgh is a run first team he doesn't have to do much.

[stevew]

Maddox would have gotten sacked probably 5 times or more last week, since he is a 0/100 in the sense rush rating.

[Easy Mac]

joey herrington = my hero

[stevew]

Wait a second, the TE is an eligible receiver? Hadnt realized that in the last 10 years of steeler Football.

[DeToxRox]

Big play Boss Bailey.

Pick 6.

7-7

[stevew]

ARE with a nice PR for a TD.

[ISiddiqui]

Dez White totally sucks ass... I know the Falcons recievers suck the big one, but did we have to get Dez White?! ARGH!

[JeeberD]

Three turnovers for the Cowboys already...

[RendeR]

I am really growing weary of the bengals O-Coord falling back into his Run at all costs mentality. 16 runs, 6 passes, failed on 4th adn 1 yet again. This is getting really annoying. THROW the fucking FOOTBALL. Tennessee's secondary sucks balls!!! This game should be a two score advatage already, but no, he curls up with his running plays and thinks its going to work all day.

GAH.

[INDalltheway]

Would Rickey Williams be worth picking up even though I already have Thomas Jones, Corey Dillon, Willie Parker, and Tatum Bell? :D

[Ben E Lou]

Dez White totally sucks ass... I know the Falcons recievers suck the big one, but did we have to get Dez White?! ARGH!Dropped two passes already, one that hit him right between the numbers, no less. The other one went through his hands and resulted in an INT. :mad:

[cthomer5000]

Would Rickey Williams be worth picking up even though I already have Thomas Jones, Corey Dillon, Willie Parker, and Tatum Bell? :D
what league are you in that he's available? http://dynamic.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif

[cthomer5000]

Three turnovers for the Cowboys already...
only 6 points out of them from the Giants though. not bad at all.

[INDalltheway]

what league are you in that he's available? http://dynamic.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif
Just my yahoo league..

[sovereignstar]

The Vikings beat the Bears 3-0. Woohoo!

[stevew]

The Vikings beat the Bears 3-0. Woohoo!
That calls for a party on the lake!

[JeeberD]

Jason Witten TD! 7-6 Cowboys after a nearly eight minute drive...

[mckerney]

Wow, 2 INT returned for TDs thrown by Delhomme

[DeToxRox]

Kennedy with the second pick 6 for Detroit to make it 14-14

[Schmidty]

If the Lions punt on my first down the rest of the season, maybe the defense can actually generate some offense. Lord knows, Joey (and Mooch's uncreative-ass) can't.

[Recoil]

Anyone watching the Falcons/Saints game that can catch me up on what's happened so far?

[mckerney]

Yeah Chris Perry! Not too bad a pickup for the week when two of my three RBs had byes.

[Eaglesfan27]

I was about to make a post praising Antoine Smith's running..

[sabotai]

The Giants are playing like crap today. Their offense can't do anything and the only way their defense can stop the Dallas offense is if Dallas turns it over..

[DeToxRox]

Stephen Davis: 7 carries for 8 yards
Lions RBs: No stats but its nothing either.

Lions play the ugliest football, but are getting it done so far.

[Icy]

WTF did Olindo Mare try to do?? He kicked a punt (he shouldn't, he is not a punter) kicked it so high............ for an 8 yards punt???? WTF? Nobody told him that the yards count when you advance to the other field not when you kick as high as you can?

[ISiddiqui]

Jesus, the Falcons defense is really sucking today (as is the offense). I'm hoping they wake up!

[JeeberD]

Jose Cortez...bleh.

[stevew]

Finally, i never have to hear about Gardocki never having a punt blocked :)

[graygoosetwelve]

I am watching the Lions game, and wondering how Joey Harrington, or any other quarterback is supposed to complete passes on third and long, especially with no time to throw the ball. Is Jeff Garcia somehow going to perform better in this situation?

[Schmidty]

If we could see Mooch's ratings EHM-style, his adaptability would be a -100.

[DeToxRox]

I am watching the Lions game, and wondering how Joey Harrington, or any other quarterback is supposed to complete passes on third and long, especially with no time to throw the ball. Is Jeff Garcia somehow going to perform better in this situation?

It won't matter.

These are the same Lions fans (And I am a big one, but a lot of these fans) who wanted Mike McMahon and his 45% completion percentage as our #1 because he was athletic.

So long as it's not Joey, no one cares.

[stevew]

So the Lions are gonna move for Schwaub this offseason?

[Schmidty]

It won't matter.

These are the same Lions fans (And I am a big one, but a lot of these fans) who wanted Mike McMahon and his 45% completion percentage as our #1 because he was athletic.

So long as it's not Joey, no one cares.

PLEASE tell me you aren't defending Joey Check-Down. There is no excuse for the mistakes he makes, nor the lack recognition. He is an average-below average QB who should not be the starter on any team.

BTW, I was never a big McMahon fan. I always thought that with his speed he should have been converted to WR.

[Buccaneer]

It appears with the Atlanta Vickons, you stop the run and force Vick to pass and you can win...assuming your own offense shows up.

[DeToxRox]

PLEASE tell me you aren't defending Joey Check-Down. There is no excuse for the mistakes he makes, nor the lack recognition. He is an average-below average QB who should not be the starter on any team.

BTW, I was never a big McMahon fan. I always thought that with his speed he should have been converted to WR.

No, I am not defending Joey.

I am just saying that the Lions problems today are far more then Joey, such as bad play calling, poor running and of course, a horrid O-Line, and it won't matter who the QB is, they won't do much either at this rate today. A majority of fans just want Joey out because they think it'll automatically make us far superior, which isn't true.

[graygoosetwelve]

Well who would you say is playing better today, Jake Delhomme or Harrington?

[ISiddiqui]

WOOOOO! Go Falcons! Blocked kick at the end of the 1st half, and the Falcons take it back for a TD.

The offense and defense has sucked so far, but we lead 17-10.

[Schmidty]

Well who would you say is playing better today, Jake Delhomme or Harrington?

Zombie Bob Ross.

[Schmidty]

No, I am not defending Joey.

I am just saying that the Lions problems today are far more then Joey, such as bad play calling, poor running and of course, a horrid O-Line, and it won't matter who the QB is, they won't do much either at this rate today. A majority of fans just want Joey out because they think it'll automatically make us far superior, which isn't true.

Just think about all of those wasted WR picks (although Mike Williams might be ok), and the O-linemen we could have had. Makes you sick. Also think about the wasted Backus pick in 2001. We ALMOST got Hutchinson instead. Aaaarghh! :mad:

[JeeberD]

Another. Fucking. Turnover.

[JeeberD]

And our defense finally created a turnover. Anthony Henry picked off Eli on the Dallas one and returned it 45 yards... :)

[stevew]

Polamalu with another personal foul. Needs to watch that :(

[sabotai]

The Giants-Dallas game is going to be one of those games where the team who turns the ball over 5 or 6 times is still going to win. They always show that stat: "When a team is +3 in turnovers for a game, they win 95% of the time" or whatever the percent is. This is one of those 5% games.

The Giants are playing terrible today. Eli's first pick since week 1 I think.

[mauchow]

All right, fumble, Vikings recover. Lets get something going on offense and capitalize for once!!!!!

[sabotai]

Nevermind. The Giants seem determined to even up that turnovers score.

[JeeberD]

The Giants-Dallas game is going to be one of those games where the team who turns the ball over 5 or 6 times is still going to win. They always show that stat: "When a team is +3 in turnovers for a game, they win 95% of the time" or whatever the percent is. This is one of those 5% games.

The Giants are playing terrible today. Eli's first pick since week 1 I think.

If the last two Giants drives are any indiction then they might not win the turonover battle...

[JeeberD]

Jose Cortez...bleh.

Again

[GrantDawg]

It appears with the Atlanta Vickons, you stop the run and force Vick to pass and you can win...assuming your own offense shows up.

Well, duh. Of course if you stop the run on 90% of the NFL teams, they have no hope of winning. The trick is stopping the run. Sadly, the Birds just can't get it going today. I'm more concerned about the defense though (even though they have scored 14 points so far).

[sovereignstar]

The Vikings are a terrible, terrible team. Get rid of everyone but Mewelde Moore and Chris Kluwe plz k thx.

[sabotai]

It seems like every time the Giants play Dallas, it's an ugly, ugly game. No exception here.

[fantastic flying froggies]

Can anybody watching the Miami @ TB game tell me what is wrong with Griese? Is he out injured or something?

[JeeberD]

These penalties are gonna be the death of me!

[ISiddiqui]

They said that Griese was injured and had to leave.

[fantastic flying froggies]

Wow, 2 INT returned for TDs thrown by Delhomme
And I'm glad I picked up the Detroit defense this week in the Euro FOFC fantasy league...:)

[Easy Mac]

Joey hetherington with an int

[Easy Mac]

And Dellhome returns the favor.

[TazFTW]

Nice grab by Keyshawn.

[GrantDawg]

Dez White cannot catch a cold.

[JeeberD]

Folks are booing us not going for it on fourth down, but our short yardage performance has been abysmal this year. Play it safe, get the FG.

Oh, wait...Cortez.

[stevew]

Maddox looks like a professional level QB on this drive.

[kingfc22]

Eli had all day and Shockey was wide open.

[JeeberD]

I heart DeMarcus Ware...

[JeeberD]

I also heart Greg Ellis!!! :D

[TazFTW]

lol. Greg Ellis sure did know his limitatations there.

[stevew]

About time we started using Heath Miller.

[JeeberD]

Our defense is doing everything they can to blow this game...

[JeeberD]

Dola-

NEVERMIND!!!!

[TazFTW]

w00t! Fumble!

[kingfc22]

WOW. Dallas escapes

[TroyF]

You know, I'm cheering for the Bengals to win this game and all, but I'm a little sick of Steve Beurline's announcing.

He's shredding PacMan Jones talking about how he let his team down with two PI penalties against Chad Johnson and he's just wrong. PacMan did interfere on the TD catch. But the long 50+ yard penalty they called on him, Pac Man didn't do a damned thing outside of run stride for stride with Johnson. Beurline was so busy shredding PacMan that he wasn't even paying attention to the replay that showed nothing took place.

Just horrible announcing. And i"m used to horrible announcers.

[JeeberD]

Thomas BARELY got out of the end zone. Scary...

[TroyF]

Holy crap. Jags/Steelers, Jags ball on the 45, 3rd adn 16. Leftwich under heavy pressure, throws the ball down the field incomplete. Roughing the passer on Pittsburgh, blow to the head.

Ouch, what a tough penalty. He did hit him in the head, it was a good call.

[kingfc22]

WOW. Dallas escapes
Eh, nevermindhttp://dynamic.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[JeeberD]

WHY isn't anyone been covering Shockey? He's been openb the entire second half!

[TroyF]

3rd and 10 again. Leftwich back to pass, fires a laser to Matt Jones. Jones catches it about a half yard short of the first down and drags a Steeler a yard before going down. One minute left now, Jax will try a game winning FG shortly.

[sabotai]

Giants tie it up with 19 seconds left in the game!

[cthomer5000]

Eli Manning = Real Deal

[TroyF]

Unbelievable. The Jags try to throw a GW TD pass on two consecutive plays. The first one is nearly picked off, the second one is. 17-17, heading into OT.

[RendeR]

Someone please explain to me WTF just happened in the Tennessee Cincinnati game?? We punt for a touchback, then go in from the 1? WTF?!?!?!

[JeeberD]

Because then if they had scored a TD the game would have been over...not going to overtime.

[sabotai]

Not to mention the Giants have the 2nd best kick return team in the league. You give them a free kick and they'll have at midfield easily.

[TroyF]

Steelers ball first in the OT.

Dallas in the other game.

Thank God for Sunday Ticket. :)

[TazFTW]

Ouch.

[TroyF]

Long return fo the Steelers, they'll start from the 26. First play after, Willie Parker fumbles and recovers it. They lose thee yards, back to the 30.

[stevew]

I hate tommy maddox
hate him.

[TroyF]

Tommy Maddox fumbles the snap, Jags recover.

I'm not sure if I've ever seen a more bizzare ending to a football game. Jags ball now.

[Easy Mac]

Holy shit, Dellhomme just got killed.... I'm being serious, he hasn't moved. Delhomme slid and Kennedy took his head off.

[INDalltheway]

Saints tie it up.. Wow, they have a horrible offense too..

[ISiddiqui]

How can the Falcons defense play THIS badly? I know they have injuries, but this is horrible. They look like utter crap!

[TroyF]

The Jags decide to run a reverse with Jones. Bad idea. Loses 6 yards. Long third down coming up.

[TroyF]

How pretty was that pass by Bledsoe there? Damn.

[GrantDawg]

How can the Falcons defense play THIS badly? I know they have injuries, but this is horrible. They look like utter crap!


They are in bad shape, but this is also a classic rebound after a blow-out.

[cthomer5000]

Why did Dallas punt? If they had taken a safety the score is 13-8 and they get to free kick, giving the Giants a lot worse field position. They would be in practically the same position, with their defense playing to avoid a TD since a FG would do no good. The diferance would be that you give your D the length of the field.

So the Giants get the shorter field on a quick punt and they get the TD to tie it up.

Come on, this is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Look at the fucking scoreboard before cooking up this crap.

[JeeberD]

Great defense, Pierce!

[JeeberD]

Win this game, offense. Please don't put it into Cortez's hands.

[JeeberD]

And here come Jose...

*crosses fingers*

[Joe]

so... the vikings went for it on 4th and 9 from their own 10 yardline? Even down 18 with 4 minutes to go that is seriously dumb. Tice you are a dumbass.

[stevew]

Fuck tommy maddox up his stupid ass.

[TroyF]

Rashean Mathis ends the Jags game, INT, TD. Game Over.

[TazFTW]

Cortez to attempt the FG. We're screwed...

[kingfc22]

JAX INT to the house. Ball game

[cthomer5000]

cut Tommy Maddox right now. That guy is a fucking joke.

[stevew]

If Ben could walk, he should have been out there. Period.

[TazFTW]

Cowboys win!

[JeeberD]

Hloly SHITE, Cortez comes through in the clutch!!!

[stevew]

cut Tommy Maddox right now. That guy is a fucking joke.
With a knife. To the throat.

[INDalltheway]

How bout Chris Weinke? :D

[Mustang]

Anyone know what happened to Delhomme? I see Weinke is in now...

[sabotai]

Cortez kicks the winning FG in OT. The Giants offense didn't get a chance in OT...

But, not going to use my team losing like that as an excuse to change my opinion on OT. The Giants' defense couldn't stop them from getting a FG, so they don't deserve to win.

[TroyF]

Hloly SHITE, Cortez comes through in the clutch!!!


Wonder if Larry Allen slapped him this time.

Falcons attempting a FG for the game. Redskins driving, 3rd and 10 on the Chiefs 40, 26 seconds left.

[Easy Mac]

TD Carolina! Weinke with the comeback.

[GrantDawg]

Falcons lining up for a game-winning field goal, but I wish the announcers would stop saying "they have missed a field-goal all season."

[GrantDawg]

See, I knew it.

[kingfc22]

going to OT in NO.....wait there is a flag on the Saints

[Easy Mac]

Anyone know what happened to Delhomme? I see Weinke is in now... See previous page

[sabotai]

Falcons miss FG! Penalty on Saints!

[cthomer5000]

FG no good in the Atlanta game..... BUT defensive holding penalty.

Re-kick coming up.

[TroyF]

Falcons miss, time for a 3rd OT game. Redskins fail on 4th and 10. Chiefs win.

[GrantDawg]

Saints penalty, the Falcons get a new shot. Hehe.

[GrantDawg]

Man, I wonder what that call will cost Blank?

[TroyF]

Corey Dillon not in the lineup for NE.

[cthomer5000]

kick is good, Falcons win.

[JeeberD]

Wonder if Larry Allen slapped him this time.



He probably slapped him after his second missed field goal earlier in the game, setting Jose right...

[TazFTW]

Redskins lose, so the Cowboys are now in first!

[GrantDawg]

Falcons win! Thanks Santa Refs!

[kingfc22]

ATL wins.

[TroyF]

Wow, some crazy endings in football this weekend. Just amazing games to watch.

[INDalltheway]

Defensive holding on a FG attempt? That is weak...

[cthomer5000]

Falcons win! Thanks Santa Refs!
Yeah, pretty suspicious call there. Still, I hate the Saints so I'm all for it.

[GrantDawg]

Wow, some crazy endings in football this weekend. Just amazing games to watch.

That's why we are fans, eh? That ND-USC game will be remembered for years. What a great football weekend.

[JeeberD]

Redskins lose, so the Cowboys are now in first!

Woohoo!

Well, the Skins have the tie breaker, no?

[Easy Mac]

and the lions lose.

[INDalltheway]

Corey Dillon not in the lineup for NE.
Looks like a great decision for me to take him out for Thomas Jones at 11:47 AM today.. :D

[TazFTW]

Woohoo!

Well, the Skins have the tie breaker, no?
Cowboys are 4-2 (.667) and the Redskins are 3-2 (.600), so no tiebreaker needed at the moment.

[GrantDawg]

Yeah, pretty suspicious call there. Still, I hate the Saints so I'm all for it.
I honestly think they were trying to payback the blocked field-goal at the end of half. For some reason, the NO lineman looked like he couldn't get out of his stance which allowed the kick blocker to vault him. I have a feeling he was being held down, but I couldn't see it. NO might have thought they could have get away with doing the same thing, and it bit them in the butt.

[cthomer5000]

That's why we are fans, eh? That ND-USC game will be remembered for years. What a great football weekend.
Hell yes. This weekend was one of the rare instances when I was far more interested in a college football game than any pro game I was going to see. It lived up to and then exceeded the hype.

[Masked]

Saints 31, Falcons 24 + Refs 10 http://dynamic.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif

Saints couldn't overcome two calls. The questionable hold on the Falcons first field goal attempt at the end of the game, and the flagrant personal foul on the blocked field goal at the end of the first half. The guy who blocked the kick climbed over the back of one of his lineman.

Falcons took advantage of their opportunities though.

[TroyF]

Brady may have 70 attempts today. I can't see Denver giving up many yards on the ground to Patrick Pass and Zman.

[ISiddiqui]

Hahaha... the Saints SHOULD have won that game, but shot themselves in the foot too many times. Vick sucked, the running game was bad, the defense looked like swiss cheese... and the Falcons still won!

[Schmidty]

Out with Mooch, Jauron, and especially Millen. End it now.

God, how I miss thee Wayne Fontes. You might have shot yourself in the foot a lot, but at least you pulled the trigger. :(

[GrantDawg]

Saints 31, Falcons 24 + Refs 10

Saints couldn't overcome two calls. The questionable hold on the Falcons first attempt, and the flagrant personal foul on the blocked field goal at the end of the first half. The guy who blocked the kick climbed over the back of one of his lineman.

Falcons took advantage of their opportunities though.
No he didn't He was on the line. He vaulted the O-lineman who never got out of his stance. Now, I believe the o-lineman might have been held, but the "blocker" was on the line at the snap.

[Icy]

Awesome running game from Miami.... Chambers the best RB

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[Masked]

No he didn't He was on the line. He vaulted the O-lineman who never got out of his stance. Now, I believe the o-lineman might have been held, but the "blocker" was on the line at the snap.
I overstated it a bit. The Falcons player hand his hand on the back of the lineman. He used that for balance. Without it, he would not have blocked the kick.

Doesn't matter. Saints screwed up more than enough on their own, and the Falcons did just enough to win.

[Schmidty]

I am going give up football and start watching soccer!!! :mad:




;)

[Logan]

Did anyone else think the Cowboys RT (Larry Allen I'm guessing?) jumped just a bit early on that long pass play to Witten that set up Cortez' eventual GW FG?

Watching it live, I thought I even heard someone yell "FALSE START" but wasnt sure.

***Obligatory "I'm not even a whining Giant fan" disclaimer.

[kingfc22]

Look liked NE wanted to run the Brady Quinn QB sneak.

[INDalltheway]

How long until Tatum Bell is put in there full-time for the Broncos? I just don't see how they don't use him more.

[kingfc22]

What a HIT!!! Santae Samual just lit up the Bronco's TE.

[TroyF]

I'm wondering if the refs understand there are two teams on the field today. Every penalty is against the Broncos, and the Pats just hit a "defenseless" receiver with a head to head contact and there is no call.

[Desnudo]

He obviously led with his shoulder, come on. Not even close.

Edit: and hit him in the chest, not the head

[kingfc22]

He hit him right above the numbers with his shoulder.

[Desnudo]

Is it me, or is there a penalty on every special teams play these days?

[kingfc22]

Is it me, or is there a penalty on every special teams play these days?
Yes there is. Might as well call a fair catch every time.

[TroyF]

He obviously led with his shoulder, come on. Not even close.

Edit: and hit him in the chest, not the head

And. . . no matter what Simms said, the helmuts connected.

Unless Denver are checking Putzier's head and giving him concussion tests for a shoulder to the sternum, I'm pretty sure the hats hit.

We'll see if it's called that way later when John Lynch pops a Patriots WR. My guess is Lynch will get nailed.

[kingfc22]

And. . . no matter what Simms said, the helmuts connected.

Unless Denver are checking Putzier's head and giving him concussion tests for a shoulder to the sternum, I'm pretty sure the hats hit.

We'll see if it's called that way later when John Lynch pops a Patriots WR. My guess is Lynch will get nailed.
We both said that BEFORE they showed the replay after the break. No way that was a shot to the head.

[TroyF]

WHAT????? Where was the facemask?

[kingfc22]

That was a bogus face mask call..

[TroyF]

We both said that BEFORE they showed the replay after the break. No way that was a shot to the head.

I know you said it BEFORE the replay. And I still disagree with both your assessment and the assessment of Phil Simms.

And I'm still waiting to see the 15 yard imaginary face mask.

[TroyF]

Why on Earth are the Patriots sending seven guys at ANY time this year. I'm all for using the blitz. Not nearly as against it as some people are. But the Broncos haven't shown they can throw the ball deep all year. They've struggled to move the ball today because the mid-passing game has been out of wack. And they haven't yet established the run.

Why send 7 and give Denver a chance to get two WR deep one on one against a secondary you know has holes the size of the grand canyon in it?

Send five. . . send six. . . but the Patriots shouldn't be calling all out blitzes with this defense EVER.

[TroyF]

FWIW, that was a good call on Pryce. A hit to the head or a touch of the face mask, you can't do it to the QB.

[Desnudo]

I know you said it BEFORE the replay. And I still disagree with both your assessment and the assessment of Phil Simms.

And I'm still waiting to see the 15 yard imaginary face mask.

On the replay after the commercial break, the angle clearly showed shoulder hitting chest. Samuel's helmet never touch any part of the receivers body.

[Desnudo]

Is NE playing without safeties?

[cthomer5000]

The Jets are playing without an offensive line.

[TroyF]

On the replay after the commercial break, the angle clearly showed shoulder hitting chest. Samuel's helmet never touch any part of the receivers body.


And again, I disagree. That was a wide angle. On the shorter angle they showed earlier, I TIVO'd it and I believe the helmuts connected without question. I'm not saying you are fools, I just disagree with your opinions on this one. I think the refs got it wrong and I think you guys did as well.

No big deal. If the Pats continue to stack the box with 8 and blitz 7, it won't matter how many penalties they call on Denver today.

For the love of God, Plummer may throw for 500 yards if they keep up with this strategy.

[korme]

Carson Palmer is that shit

[Desnudo]

That's funny that we can look at the same picture and draw completely opposite conclusions. I guess it's testimony to the unrealiability of eye witnesses.

[TroyF]

A 97 yard drive and a 91 yard drive.

Jake Plummer is now 7-9 for 177 yards. That'd be a little over 19 yards per pass attempt.

Denver has ran 19 plays for 211 yards. Over 11 yards a play.

NE will not repeat if the defense doesn't get fixed and fixed quickly. If it weren't for Tom Brady, I'd already be calling this game.

[Schmidty]

Carson Palmer is that shit

Joey Harrington is shit.

[Desnudo]

Bruschi is coming back! Yee haw!

[TroyF]

good lord, how is that called a catch? That was just a horrible call. The fact we even have to waste a challenge on a call that bad is disgusting. Forget the feet ref, he didn't even catch the football.

[TroyF]

Bruschi is coming back! Yee haw!


I hope he comes back strong. One of the good guys.

[Desnudo]

Even if he's well less than 100%, I think it'll be a great emotional lift.

[TroyF]

OK announcers. It's nice you are talking about a former CU TE and all. He's a terrific player and a truly good guy to boot.

But Champ Bailey just made a play on a reverse that you could use in a coaching clinic. That play goes for a minimum of 20 yards if Bailey doesn't keep his outside contain, delay the play and force it inside.

[TroyF]

If Tatum Bell isn't the every down, starting running back by next week, Denver has a serious problem.

[Schmidty]

If Tatum Bell isn't the every down, starting running back by next week, Denver has a serious problem.

I loved "Paper Moon"!!!

[Desnudo]

They need to bring Corey Dillon out for the second half or this game is over. Keep the defense off the field or else it's going to be SD all over again.

[cthomer5000]

I'm saying it: the Patriots are on the ropes!

[TroyF]

Desnudo,

Do you think this can be fixed? I mean, even with Bruschi?

You can say what you want about emotional lifts and even if Bruschi comes back with and plays well right off, this is some serious bleeding. And it's all across the field.

I've watched Denver all year and I can promise you this isn't a great offense. It's a decent one, but not this good.

Their high in yards for this year was 358. They just put up 275 in a quarter, including 3 80+ yard drives for TD's. I'm just not sure the Pats are going to be able to recover long term.

They are the champs until they are dethroned, but if Beli finds a way to turn this defense around, forget coach of the year, decade, or anything like that. Just mark him down as the best coach that ever lived and be done with it.

[TroyF]

What a cheap shot by #70. A punch to the groin? That's gotta make you feel like a man.

He should be fined and suspended for next weeks game as well. I guess someone had to takeover being a classless punk for the Pats after Harrison was injured. (outside of Harrison, it's hard to argue the Pats aren't one of the classiest organizations there is)

Class act there. . .

[Desnudo]

Since another safety (Saunders?) limped off the field on that last TD, who knows? Bruschi would help immensely with stopping the run. He's also the kind of guy who makes game changing plays. If he and Richard Seymour are both healthy, maybe. Whether that's enough to overcome having what may currently be the worst secondary in the league is anyone's guess.

Edit: the offense hasn't done anything today, which I think is the larger problem in this game. The Patriots have had superior field position most of the game. The defense has been on the field for too many plays.

[TroyF]

Since another safety (Saunders?) limped off the field on that last TD, who knows? Bruschi would help immensely with stopping the run. He's also the kind of guy who makes game changing plays. If he and Richard Seymour are both healthy, maybe. Whether that's enough to overcome having what may currently be the worst secondary in the league is anyone's guess.

Edit: the offense hasn't done anything today, which I think is the larger problem in this game. The Patriots have had superior field position most of the game. The defense has been on the field for too many plays.

To many plays? NE ran 33 plays to Denver's 25 in the first half. No, it isn't too many plays that's the problem. It's that they are busy giving up about 10 yards a play that is.

[Desnudo]

That's 25 plays too many. I was saying that NE needs to dominate ToP given their crappy defense, which they are not doing.

[Desnudo]

Time to call the National Guard.

[TroyF]

Well, Denver now has their season high in total yards with over 25 minutes left to go in the game.

I'm still not ready to call it over, not with Brady. But it's going to take a monumental change in momentum.

To date this year, NE has scored 121 points and given up 164. If it weren't for Brady, they'd be 1-5 right now and preparing for next season. I wonder if people will give him the credit he deserves now.

[TroyF]

Time to call the National Guard.

One fo the funniest Sharpe moments of all time. And it certainly fits here.

[Desnudo]

Based on what happens on Denver's next possession, I'd consider pulling Brady. He's getting hammered out there.

[TroyF]

Based on what happens on Denver's next possession, I'd consider pulling Brady. He's getting hammered out there.


Outside of Brunell last week and the Dolphins in week one, Denver has truly battered some QB's this year.

Trent Green took some nasty shots in teh KC game and Brees was hammered in the second half of the Charger game.

That said, Denver is getting too conservative on offense. They can't keep this crap up. This is a wounded champion, but it's still a champion. You don't want to give them life in the fourth quarter.

I think the pats will put up a TD here. The Denver offense needs to show up next possession.

[tucker rocky]

Don't no why NE didn't go for 2 there.

[TroyF]

Don't no why NE didn't go for 2 there.


As a rule, you don't go for two until you need to do it.

Going for two can kill your momentum if you miss it. The Pats still have 2 TD's to make up before the two point conversion becomes an issue.

[tucker rocky]

As a rule, you don't go for two until you need to do it.

Going for two can kill your momentum if you miss it. The Pats still have 2 TD's to make up before the two point conversion becomes an issue.

Yeah, still a 2 possession game.

[Desnudo]

C'mon Jake, you haven't met your INT quota yet.

[TroyF]

Big 3rd down coming up here. 3rd and 3. Pick up the first down and Denver can run another 2 minutes off the clock and will also tip the field the other way. Miss it and the Pats get the ball with the momentum and this thing starts to get scary. (if you're a Bronco fan)

[TroyF]

Well, time to see what this D is really made of.

[TroyF]

Good lord. Three rookie CB's on the field right now for Denver. Against Tom Brady and the Pats. This isn't fair.

[TroyF]

Play action, deep pass to Lelie. Right now. This play.

Come on Shanny, don't get too conservative here.

[TroyF]

Well, if Denver does end up losing this game, you have to look no further than the coach.

Bailey out after the half. You know that. Yet you still get ultra conservative in the third and fourth quarters of a game trying to "hold on" when the other team can't stop you. An absolute joke, even if Denver hangs on to this one. Just inexcuseable coaching by the staff.

[TroyF]

Where was the hold? Where, where, where? The DT just got tackled. That's a damned joke. Unbelievable.

[TroyF]

THAT IS GROUNDING!!!! CALL IT. About FREAKIN time.

[cthomer5000]

Nice shot on Branch to break up the completion.

[Desnudo]

Givens' drop was huge. It looked like Branch got KO'd briefly when he landed.

[TroyF]

That was nearly one hell of a catch by Branch. Don't worry Pats fans, I expect the conservative calls will continue here. And if they do, you'll have another shot.

[TroyF]

Second down, this MUST be a play action pass.

[TroyF]

About freakin time Shanny. If the next run on first down picks up less than five, I think you play action again. And go deep. The Pats secondary can't hold up to the deep ball under normal conditions, not they are going to be playing up to stop the run. You have to try to WIN this game not try to hold on for dear life.

[cthomer5000]

game over.

[TroyF]

Wasn't deep, but that was one hell of a play call there. Break off one run for ten yards and end this thing, PLEASE. :)

[cthomer5000]

Time to put down the entire NFC North. Unbelievable that Green Bay and Minnesota are only 1 game out of first.

[TroyF]

The NFC is a nightmare. The East and South have 7 of their 8 teams with winning records. The other two divisions have only 1 of 8.

The AFC is also interesting. SD and NE at .500. Pitt 3-2. And then you have Cincy and Denver at 5-1.

Of course, this is Indy's league right now. It's set up for them perfectly to win it all now.

[cthomer5000]

wow, the flags are out of control in this Sunday night game.

[miami_fan]

You aren't kidding

[Desnudo]

The NFC is a nightmare. The East and South have 7 of their 8 teams with winning records. The other two divisions have only 1 of 8.

The AFC is also interesting. SD and NE at .500. Pitt 3-2. And then you have Cincy and Denver at 5-1.

Of course, this is Indy's league right now. It's set up for them perfectly to win it all now.

I agree. It's hard to point to a game on their schedule that they won't be favored in. Depending on injuries, they might even be favored at NE.

[miami_fan]

Thank you Texans for ensuring I won't be up til the end of the Sunday night game

[TroyF]

I agree. It's hard to point to a game on their schedule that they won't be favored in. Depending on injuries, they might even be favored at NE.


As of now, they would be. No matter how Belicek gets in Peyton's head, I don't see the talent in that secondary or the pass rush to do that this year. The Colts aren't as good on D as their points against indicates (they've faced some truly horrible offenses), but it is improved.

If NE can't stop Jake Plummer and Matt Schaub on the deep ball, I find it difficult to believe they'll be able to stop Petyon Manning.

Like I said above, NE overcomes all of this, Beli is the best coach of all time. . . there won't even be a debate.

[Ksyrup]

Well, if Denver does end up losing this game, you have to look no further than the coach.

Bailey out after the half. You know that. Yet you still get ultra conservative in the third and fourth quarters of a game trying to "hold on" when the other team can't stop you. An absolute joke, even if Denver hangs on to this one. Just inexcuseable coaching by the staff.
We should have been throwing deep passes every 5 plays. Plummer could have thrown for 500 yards on that secondary. NE is truly lost right now. I'm glad we got them at a down point.

[Desnudo]

As of now, they would be. No matter how Belicek gets in Peyton's head, I don't see the talent in that secondary or the pass rush to do that this year. The Colts aren't as good on D as their points against indicates (they've faced some truly horrible offenses), but it is improved.

If NE can't stop Jake Plummer and Matt Schaub on the deep ball, I find it difficult to believe they'll be able to stop Petyon Manning.

Like I said above, NE overcomes all of this, Beli is the best coach of all time. . . there won't even be a debate.

If Seymour comes back healthy, they have a chance. If he's out, it will be tough. They beat them last year with Gay, Samuel, and Troy Brown at CB. Their linebackers aren't as good this year, so that may be a weak spot. The weather may play a factor too.

Edit: and I'd never bet against Brady in a Manning vs. Brady match-up, especially if Dillon is available.

[TroyF]

If Seymour comes back healthy, they have a chance. If he's out, it will be tough. They beat them last year with Gay, Samuel, and Troy Brown at CB. Their linebackers aren't as good this year, so that may be a weak spot. The weather may play a factor too.

Edit: and I'd never bet against Brady in a Manning vs. Brady match-up, especially if Dillon is available.


Yeah, but something is missing this year des. I know they miss Harrison heavily. . . but they simply can't cover the deep ball right now. This is against teams like Atlanta and Denver who aren't exactly terrific at throwing the deep ball. And even if Seymour comes back, where is the pass rush? He can't do it by himself.

If Denver doesn't get conservative in that game, they could have almost picked the score. When Denver was mixing the playcalling up and not just trying to run the ball up the middle play in/play out, NE looked ridiculously bad.

Even at their worst last year, I can't remember the NE defense being this bad.

[Desnudo]

Seymour is the kind of player that changes the way teams prepare. If he's out, there's no need to double team him, etc.. He's a special player, like Harrison or Bruschi, just not as much of a leader.

True, they've been rotating so many different players in and out, there's no cohesion at all. Even their back-ups to the back-ups are getting hurt. Eventually you hit the wall. Although I think the main difference right now is their linebackers not being able to cover up the secondary's weakness' anymore. Monty Biesel is not a good player. Who got faked out of his pants on the game killing first down by Denver? I'm not sure that buying ex-Chiefs defenders is the way to improve your D. McGinnest is playing with one hand. Maybe Roman Phifer is tired of playing golf.

I think the bye week couldn't have come any sooner. Bruschi's return would hopefully put Biesel on the bench, which I think would be an enormous boost and they can at least start getting some bodies back.

Edit: all that said, this season has 9-7 written all over it. Which thankfully may be enough to win the AFC East this year.

[TroyF]

Seymour is the kind of player that changes the way teams prepare. If he's out, there's no need to double team him, etc.. He's a special player, like Harrison or Bruschi, just not as much of a leader.

True, they've been rotating so many different players in and out, there's no cohesion at all. Even their back-ups to the back-ups are getting hurt. Eventually you hit the wall. Although I think the main difference right now is their linebackers not being able to cover up the secondary's weakness' anymore. Monty Biesel is not a good player. Who got faked out of his pants on the game killing first down by Denver? I'm not sure that buying ex-Chiefs defenders is the way to improve your D. McGinnest is playing with one hand. Maybe Roman Phifer is tired of playing golf.

I think the bye week couldn't have come any sooner. Bruschi's return would hopefully put Biesel on the bench, which I think would be an enormous boost and they can at least start getting some bodies back.

Edit: all that said, this season has 9-7 written all over it. Which thankfully may be enough to win the AFC East this year.


I understand how good Seymour is. A very underrated player. I just don't think he's going to turn a team who has sacked the QB like 12 times in 6 weeks into a team that gets consistent pressure on the QB. The NE defense has looked truly dominant for about one half of football this year. The second half of the Pitt game, even with Harrison out.

I'm especially bothered by the play calling. On Denvers first long pass, they sent seven. Against Pitt with the game on the line, they sent seven.

Look, that secondary is horrible, they can't hold up if you are sending seven guys and in both situations they didn't need to make that call. (against Pitt the front four was just fine, Denver had yet to move the ball at all today)

That's just not good coaching. Far be it from me to criticize a guy who has won three titles, but I simply don't understand those calls. (and what the hell, Shanahan has won two titles as a head coach and I've criticized him)

Two more things. . .

1) Brady isn't lasting the year if he's taking this sort of pounding every week. He's a special, special, special QB, but he isn't invincible. He's taking a pounding.

2) I would never count NE out. You saw me today say that the game wasn't over, even at 28-3, because of Brady. I think they have some MAJOR problems right now, but I wouldn't discount them.

[Desnudo]

Yeah, I don't understand the play calling on those long balls either. It's obvious they were not expecting Denver to throw deep at all because both safeties were nowhere to be found on both big passing plays. I definitely don't feel the Patriots have the mystical "he knows what we're doing before we do" vibe anymore, but that may be down to the talent on the field.

Interestingly, with all the problems on defense, the offense is in good shape, except for Dillon and Light. And despite all the problems, the only game they've really been out of was SD. Looking at the crud that comprises the AFC East right now, I definitely see them in the playoffs. What the injury list looks like in January will probably determine their success.

As for Denver, yes, the coach getting tight-assed on play calling is definitely something to worry about. Rod Smith could have single-handledly ended the game if they'd let him.

[TroyF]

Yeah, I don't understand the play calling on those long balls either. It's obvious they were not expecting Denver to throw deep at all because both safeties were nowhere to be found on both big passing plays. I definitely don't feel the Patriots have the mystical "he knows what we're doing before we do" vibe anymore, but that may be down to the talent on the field.

Interestingly, with all the problems on defense, the offense is in good shape, except for Dillon and Light. And despite all the problems, the only game they've really been out of was SD. Looking at the crud that comprises the AFC East right now, I definitely see them in the playoffs. What the injury list looks like in January will probably determine their success.

As for Denver, yes, the coach getting tight-assed on play calling is definitely something to worry about. Rod Smith could have single-handledly ended the game if they'd let him.


Your first line is what really bothers me about this team desnudo. Matt Schaub threw deep on you, did the Pats really believe that just because Denver hasn't been able to connect deep this year that they'd watch that game film and go "Oh God, we just can't throw deep middle with coverage like that, we'll stick to the underneath stuff"

You didn't have to be a defensive genius like Belicek to figure Denver was going to try to gash them with big passes deep. Oh well, we'll see how the season plays out.

[Desnudo]

Well Belichek's strategy is always to take away the one thing a team does best and force them to beat them using another way. I'm sure the strategy going in was to take away the run and force Denver to beat them deep, which they did. At some point, given that the Steelers also beat them deep, you really have to consider what kind of plays you're calling.

Of course it's hard to tell how much is down to play calling, and how much is down to blown reads by the secondary.

[rkmsuf]

2) I would never count NE out. You saw me today say that the game wasn't over, even at 28-3, because of Brady. I think they have some MAJOR problems right now, but I wouldn't discount them.

Had Givens caught the ball I think they had an excellent chance at getting the game even.

Bottom line is that Beisel, Chad Brown and Starks suck. It's that simple. Starks can't run at all and the linebackers can't shed blocks. These guys are 4th string for a reason and no gameplan makes up for that.

Combine that with no Dillon, Mankins and Brown and it's a tribute to the Pats they didn't pack it in at 28-3.

If they don't get healthier though it won't matter.

[WSUCougar]

That initial few minutes (in game time) of the Seahawks/Texans game was perhaps the ugliest NFL "action" I've ever seen. Penalties on literally every play, mainly on the Texans, but three on Seahawks DE Bryce Fisher for lining up in the neutral zone. I thought Holmgren was going to burst into flames.

And man, what is with Shaun Alexander and Sunday Night Football?!? I mean...damn!

[Butter]

You guys need to seriously start up a thread just for the Broncos games. Seriously.

[RendeR]

You guys need to seriously start up a thread just for the Broncos games. Seriously.Now now, don't let those pats fans off the hook either. if ew removed both broncos and pats commentary from this thread it would only be 10 posts long.....