Chiefs/Dolphins moved to Friday

[kcchief19]

Game time 6 p.m. central.

Alright, allow me to be a homer on this one. The NFL freakin' blows. This is utterly ridiculous. The give the Chiefs one-day notice that they are now playing the next day on what would normally be their travel day. There was no advance word from the NFL apparently that this was an option, there was word about moving to Saturday or Monday or simply moving the site.

God forbid if this were the Giants at Miami this game would be moved to New York, unless the Jets are also playing at thome in which case the game would be moved to New York and played on Monday night.

This is an utterly ridiculous, anti-competitive move. I think it would have been equally anti-competitive to move the game to Kansas City, but at least there is precedent for that. Moving the game to Saturday wouldn't have been too bad, but at least there is precedent for that. But moving the game to Friday night and giving the Chiefs about 32 hours to pack up their gear, arrange for a flight and get to the game for a 6 p.m. kickoff is just silly.

[Johnny93g]

shit happens....their professionals....will it be on tv though!!!!!

[timmynausea]

Calm down or you'll have Dick Vermeil balling like a little girl.

[dacman]

Calm down or you'll have Dick Vermeil balling like a little girl.
Balling like a little girl or bawling like a little girl (or maybe both!)?

[Rasmuth]

I have no personal interest in this game...but I beleive if a team can't play a "scheduled" game for something such as a hurricane...then it should be a forfeit...

I don't think special considerations should be made in this case...KC would never have a gametime changed because of a blizzard....

[Wolfpack]

True, but blizzards won't cause en masse evacuations of thousands of people. Blizzards also won't have wind speeds in excess of 75 mph (50, maybe, but not 75). It's also easier to play in 20 inches of snow instead of 20 inches of rain.

[Rasmuth]

yes...I understand that...well..actually you are incorrect...I live in upstate NY (Buffalo Area) and I have been in blizzards with near hurricane force gales...(not 140 but in the 90's...very rare occurrance indeed though)

any...either way this is weather related...teams based in this area have to deal with those possibilities...if they don't like it...they can move to a city with a more stable climate...

but, I don't believe a scheduled sporting event should be changed for situations like this...if they can't play...the home team takes the penalty...

just my personal opinion. A sporting event cancelled due to weather...should be a forfeit.

[KevinNU7]

Word. The Saints should get an automatic 0-8 for their home games this season :rolleyes:

[cuervo72]

yes...I understand that...well..actually you are incorrect...I live in upstate NY (Buffalo Area) and I have been in blizzards with near hurricane force gales...(not 140 but in the 90's...very rare occurrance indeed though)

any...either way this is weather related...teams based in this area have to deal with those possibilities...if they don't like it...they can move to a city with a more stable climate...

but, I don't believe a scheduled sporting event should be changed for situations like this...if they can't play...the home team takes the penalty...

just my personal opinion. A sporting event cancelled due to weather...should be a forfeit.

This is one of the most assmuncular opinions I've heard in a while.

[Fonzie]

This is one of the most assmuncular opinions I've heard in a while.
Indeed.

And this argument completely misses a huge point: the NFL/team ownership would never take a pass on earning gate receipts/TV revenues by cancelling games.

[Malificent]

One of the major football analysts was saying that the option was to play the game early or to play the game late and KC actually preferred early because next week's game is versus San Diego and they wanted to have enough time to prepare for that.

[kurtism]

somebody deserves a cookie for the word "assmuncular"

*gives cuervo a cookie*

[Calis]

Yeah making a team forfeit is pretty assinine, but telling a team a day in advance that they're traveling and playing a game a couple days early is pretty absurd as well.

Monday would have been best, Saturday easier to take..just a bad move.

[Cards4ever]

This from someone who says Cardinal fans whine. :rolleyes:

[Raiders Army]

Why not just go to an unused dome?

[albionmoonlight]

somebody deserves a cookie for the word "assmuncular"

*gives cuervo a cookie*
While I agree with the sentiment, I cannot see the word cookie and the word assmuncular belonging in the same post.

[KevinNU7]

Why not just go to an unused dome?
Yes encourage 50,000 people to go to a football game instead of take a precautions for a hurricane

[Castlerock]

yes...I understand that...well..actually you are incorrect...I live in upstate NY (Buffalo Area) and I have been in blizzards with near hurricane force gales...(not 140 but in the 90's...very rare occurrance indeed though)

I am going to guess that you have never experienced a hurricane. A (very rare) blizard with a gust to 78 mph is one thing. A hurricane with SUSTAINED wind speeds of 140-170 mph is something VERY different. They aren't measuring wind gusts in a hurricane so you are comparing apples to oranges. Also consider that wind resistance rises with the square of the wind speed.

[vtbub]

Lightning can ruin your day too.

[kcchief19]

One of the major football analysts was saying that the option was to play the game early or to play the game late and KC actually preferred early because next week's game is versus San Diego and they wanted to have enough time to prepare for that. If that's the case, then it sounds like the Chiefs may have been allowed to pick their poison ... play on one day's notice this week and take your chances with the Dolphins or play on Tuesday and have to turn around go to San Diego the following weekend. That's like being asked whether you would prefer to be punched in the nose or kicked in the nuts.

Monday is not an option because the hurricane is expected to pass through late Sunday and into Monday. Tuesday is the earliest they could have played waiting after the hurricane. What's wrong with playing on Saturday boggles me other than TV and college football getting peeved. But Friday night? There is no precedent for this. There is a precedent for moving games up or back one day with more than one day's notice, and there is precedent for moving sites. Hell, they moved the Chargers game to freakin' Arizona due to the California wildfires last year.

Why not move the game to a neutral NFL city not hosting a game this week? Competition-wise, that would be better than forcing the Chiefs to play on the road with one day notice. It's a lot easier on the Dolphins than it is on the Chiefs.

The cynic in me belives whole-heartedly that if this were a New York team or some other city the NFL is wanting to express their kiss-assiness this game would be a road game for the Dolphins.

[Raiders Army]

I saw The Day After Tomorrow a couple times.

[kcchief19]

Balling like a little girl or bawling like a little girl (or maybe both!)? I'd hate see a little girl balling.

[Ksyrup]

Has anyone answered the important question - will this be on TV? For those of us with Sunday Ticket, will it magically appear at 7pm?

[Raven]

Anyone expect it to rain heavily during friday's games?

I need to know for fantasy purposes!

[vtbub]

from NFL.Com:

CBS will televise the game live to the Miami and Kansas City primary and secondary markets, which are WFOR/Miami, WPEC/West Palm Beach and WINK/Ft. Myers in the Dolphins' area, and KCTV/Kansas City and WIBW/Topeka in the Chiefs' territory.

For customers of Sirius Satellite Radio, the game will be available live on Friday at 7 p.m. ET on Channel 121 for the Chiefs' radio broadcast and Channel 131 for the Dolphins' broadcast.

On NFL.com, fans can follow the GameCenter live on the scoreboard, or listen to the local radio broadcast of the game via the Field Pass subscription service. (Field Pass is available on a seven-day free trial basis for first-time subscribers.)

A tape-delayed telecast of the Dolphins-Chiefs game will be shown nationally on NFL Network on Sunday night, Oct. 23, at a time to be determined.

[Ksyrup]

That blows. I paid to see that game on Sunday Ticket. It's not like I'd be at the local high school game, which is the excuse I've heard they're using for not extending the TV rights outside of the viewing areas.

[vtbub]

I wouldn't say for sure that they aren't.

[Chief Rum]

I don't believe the NFL can have an actual Saturday game during the regular college football season. It would violate their antitrust exemption.

[Galaxy]

I don't believe the NFL can have an actual Saturday game during the regular college football season. It would violate their antitrust exemption.

Really? Don't they play the last few Saturdays?

[Chief Rum]

Really? Don't they play the last few Saturdays?

That's after the end of college football's regular season. You don't see NFL games on Saturday until mid-to-late December.

[kcchief19]

Another example of why this decision is bantha doo-doo. Everything I've seen and hear is the same as above; televised locally in Kansas City and Miami, no mention of Direct TV. Greg Aiello of the NFL indeed said this is part of their understanding not to compete with high school and college football.

Solution: don't play it on Friday night. Duh. A lot of fans and viewers are hosed by this decision. People in Columbia, Springfield and all of Kansas who would normally get this game as their local game now don't get to see it. Nice move for the fans.

To their credit, the Chiefs are taking it in stride. There's a certain if that's what they're going to treat us, let's go down to Miami and shove it up the Dolphins ass attitude that I like. For once, Carl Peterson and I are on the same page pointing out that this is the first time in NFL history this has happened.

[kcchief19]

I don't believe the NFL can have an actual Saturday game during the regular college football season. It would violate their antitrust exemption. No, it's just a gentlemen's agreement. The NFL doesn't have an antitrust exemption, hence losing the antitrust lawsuit with the USFL.

[Chief Rum]

No, it's just a gentlemen's agreement. The NFL doesn't have an antitrust exemption, hence losing the antitrust lawsuit with the USFL.

Oh, I thought they had one.

Well, maybe the NFL takes its gentleman's agreements seriously.

[WrongWay]

Anyone know where The Chiefs are relocating too? Maybe they should move the game to Los Angeles and see how the LA Chiefs would draw. Because of Stadium Deals that have been voted down the Chiefs are looking for a new home.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Anyone know where The Chiefs are relocating too? Maybe they should move the game to Los Angeles and see how the LA Chiefs would draw. Because of Stadium Deals that have been voted down the Chiefs are looking for a new home.

That's totally incorrect. Clark Hunt (Lamar Hunt's son) came out soon after the city mentioned that the Chiefs would not be getting the improvements they are asking for. He made a fuss that the Chiefs would possibly consider other alternatives. Evidently Clark didn't know Dad was listening, because Lamar came out the very next day and quickly put down any rumors.

Lamar is not a stupid man. He sees other markets and realizes that he has a good thing in sellouts for every game despite no playoff wins in several years. The Chiefs are near cult status in KC. The streets are relatively empty when the Chiefs play and the TV share usually runs in the 50-60 share range when they play (any of you who know something about TV know this is a huge rating).

There is the possibility that the Chiefs may move, but the likely scenario would be that they will move across the state line to the Kansas side and build a stadium next to the new NASCAR track. With KC in the lead to also put the NASCAR Hall of Fame in that same location, it would end up being a mecca for rednecks far and wide.

Lamar may be pushing some buttons, but he knows where his bread is buttered.

[WrongWay]

You really think the Hunts will pay for a new stadium all by themselves? Because the Tax Payers have already told them twice that they will not be paying for a new stadium.



Here is a good 8 page article describing this mess with the Chies, the Royals, and the Stadium Complex board.
hxxp://www.pitch.com/issues/2005-10-13/news/feature.html

[kcchief19]

You really think the Hunts will pay for a new stadium all by themselves? Because the Tax Payers have already told them twice that they will not be paying for a new stadium.



Here is a good 8 page article describing this mess with the Chies, the Royals, and the Stadium Complex board.
hxxp://www.pitch.com/issues/2005-10-13/news/feature.html Well, first of all, The Pitch is not a good source for anything other than phone numbers for hookers. Second, only one plan went to the voters and it was a flawed bi-state plan that would have collected sales tax in counties in both Kansas and Missouri to refurbish the ball parks, build a performing arts center and other accoutrements.

The thing is that the Chiefs and Royals have bad leases. Bad for the county because they require the county to keep the stadiums up to "state of the art" standards, but doesn't define that; and bad for the teams because even if the county falls behind on repairs there is an "economic impact" clause that requires both teams to make a payment to the county based on the metrowide economic impact of losing the team. So the Chiefs would have to pay tens if not in the hundreds of millions just for the right to move.

That said, the Hunts aren't stupid. They are playing a game of chicken with the local governments to try and get what they want. They are one of the most profitable teams in the league and it would be ridiculous to leave a sold-out Arrowhead for a question mark anywhere else.

[WrongWay]

That said, the Hunts aren't stupid. They are playing a game of chicken with the local governments to try and get what they want. They are one of the most profitable teams in the league and it would be ridiculous to leave a sold-out Arrowhead for a question mark anywhere else.
Funny, I remember a Sold Out Mile high Stadium Owner saying the Broncos could not compete without the Suites and Luxury Boxes even though their Stadium has been sold out for decades.

[Ragone]

You think Wrongway is Kietzmann from 810 kcchief? :)

alls he needs to do is start stumping for a downtown baseball stadium and i would be convinced.. seriously.. like kcchief said.. the farthest the chiefs would move would be across the river next to the nascar track

And as far as a downtown stadium goes.. they build one down there for the royals, and they have seen my last dollar.. i absolutely refuse to go anywhere near downtown

[WrongWay]

I always though Kansas got the shaft on Tax revenue with Both Pro stadiums located just over across the state line.

[kcchief19]

Funny, I remember a Sold Out Mile high Stadium Owner saying the Broncos could not compete without the Suites and Luxury Boxes even though their Stadium has been sold out for decades. That's exactly what the Hunts are saying too. Do you think that's true? That's the only card team owners have to play when they want to get public money for stadiums -- the threat to move. In some cases it's real -- there are teams would could be just as successful if not more so moving if they are drawing flies in their current stadium. But the Chiefs are one of the 5-10 most profitable teams in the league -- why would a smart guy with so much invested in Kansas City take a sure thing for a huge risk in somewhere like LA where football has failed multiple times or a smaller market than Kansas City?

It's a game -- everyone plays it.

[kcchief19]

You think Wrongway is Kietzmann from 810 kcchief? :)

alls he needs to do is start stumping for a downtown baseball stadium and i would be convinced.. seriously.. like kcchief said.. the farthest the chiefs would move would be across the river next to the nascar track

And as far as a downtown stadium goes.. they build one down there for the royals, and they have seen my last dollar.. i absolutely refuse to go anywhere near downtown It could be Kevin ... :)

I think the Chiefs will end up in Kansas at somepoint in the next 10 years. Johnson County will make a push, but the speedway location makes a lot of sense. Maybe they could put a stadium in KCK across Kemper ... :)

Rags, you're going to love downtown in another year or two. The Power & Light District will be awesome. I'm a little worried about the new arena -- I'm afraid they're trying to do it too much on the cheap. But downtown is going to be a radically different place five years from now. I think it's either do-or-die for a downtown ballpark right now. If the don't approve a new downtown stadium in the next three years, I think it might be too late once redevelopment takes off. It will cost a lot more money five years from now than it will now.

[gstelmack]

That blows. I paid to see that game on Sunday Ticket. It's not like I'd be at the local high school game, which is the excuse I've heard they're using for not extending the TV rights outside of the viewing areas.
And this is why I don't pay for Sunday Ticket. Until they decide to show EVERY NFL game as advertised, it's not worth my money. Sounds like they may get closer next year, but when I was close to doing this last season and they started the whole blackout scheme, I decided against it.

[Ksyrup]

And this is why I don't pay for Sunday Ticket. Until they decide to show EVERY NFL game as advertised, it's not worth my money. Sounds like they may get closer next year, but when I was close to doing this last season and they started the whole blackout scheme, I decided against it.
If it's not on and I complain, I bet they'll tell me, "But you only paid for the Sunday Ticket!"

Bastards.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

You really think the Hunts will pay for a new stadium all by themselves? Because the Tax Payers have already told them twice that they will not be paying for a new stadium.



Here is a good 8 page article describing this mess with the Chies, the Royals, and the Stadium Complex board.
hxxp://www.pitch.com/issues/2005-10-13/news/feature.html


#1...You posted the Pitch as a reliable link. Not a good start.

#2...The Hunts have already offered to pay for 1/3 of the current renovation costs. Very generous considering what other owners have done in other cities. The state of Missouri has offered no money. Also, the people that voted for the tax raise were half Missouri and half Kansas. Of course the Kansas people won't vote for the tax.....why pay taxes for something in another state?

#3...A new stadium tax in Kansas would easily pass. The state and local government would be watering at the mouth to bring a pro franchise into the state to compliment the NASCAR race (the track is about to receive a 2nd NASCAR race on the schedule). The tax would be only for Kansas citizens and only voted on in Kansas. Most would have no problem paying for a stadium if it benefitted their area, which it currently does not in Missouri. Add in that Lamar/Clark Hunt get a new stadium no more than 20 miles from their previous stadium (i.e. well within driving distance of their current season ticket base), and it's a match made in heaven. If the Missouri side defaults on their loan, you can bet that Kansas will jump right in and take advantage of the opportunity.

[sterlingice]

You think Wrongway is Kietzmann from 810 kcchief?
Nah, because Keitzman always talks about what kcchief was talking about- there's no way in hell the Chiefs move, it's just too profitable.

SI

[kcchief19]

I think we've gotten off the point of my homeristic rantings about the tremendous competitive disadvantage the NFL has put the Chiefs into.

In order not to lose a day of practice that Miami would have had and scramble to arrange for a last minute flight, the Chiefs flew down to Miami this morning. The Chiefs claim this is the first time than an NFL team has traveled for a road game on the same day of the game.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

I think we've gotten off the point of my homeristic rantings about the tremendous competitive disadvantage the NFL has put the Chiefs into.

In order not to lose a day of practice that Miami would have had and scramble to arrange for a last minute flight, the Chiefs flew down to Miami this morning. The Chiefs claim this is the first time than an NFL team has traveled for a road game on the same day of the game.

I don't think it will matter in the end. Most of the team is veterans who won't be affected much by the shortened week. Miami fields a younger team. Couple that with the fact that the Miami players will have the thought that they have to head home to get their belongings and get the hell out of Dodge and that they only expect the place to be half full, I think the Chiefs will win the game.

[kcchief19]

Well, maybe the NFL takes its gentleman's agreements seriously. Well, not really since the game is on Friday night anyway. So much for that agreement.

I feel for the people of Florida. I want them to get out of harm's way. They shouldn't be encouraging fans to go to a football game when they should be taking care of themselves. Atlanta plays Monday night -- the Georgia Dome appears to be an option for Sunday. Why not move the game? At least there is precedent for that, with the aforemention San Diego game moving to Phoenix last year for the forest fires. Carolina is off this weekend -- there's another neutral stadium that could be used. I'm not saying they have to turn it into a home game for the Chiefs by playing at Arrowhead -- although at this point playing the game on Sunday at Arrowhead makes a lot more sense than playing on Friday in Miami.

[ISiddiqui]

KC in the lead to also put the NASCAR Hall of Fame in that same location
KC is in the lead for the NASCAR Hall of Fame?! I think it's at best, 4th.

[Raven]

*cough* So how bad will it be raining in Miami tonight?

[Galaxy]

KC is in the lead for the NASCAR Hall of Fame?! I think it's at best, 4th.


Agreed...I think Charlotte "should" get it.

[Solecismic]

This one's going to hurt. College games canceled when the storm is still two days out. An NFL game played two days early at great inconvenience to the fans.

The bottom line is that hurricane forecasting is still in its infancy. It's not possible to know for certain what will happen four-five days out. So, if the policy becomes react immediately to the worst possible scenario, more often than not you'll end up moving a lot of people for no reason.

And the next time there's a hurricane panic, less will react. They might not believe you even one day out when things are pretty certain.

There's a delicate balance here. One that's out of whack right now because the damage to New Orleans was so severe (two days after the storm) and the media made far too much of problems with FEMA.

Now, we've had an unnecessary evacuation of Houston that killed more people and probably cost more money than Rita itself. And a panic in Florida for a storm which has about a 50% chance of only being a tropical storm when - and if - it reaches Florida.

Now Wilma could still pack a Cat-3 punch and hit southwest Florida. I hope it doesn't. But the danger in reacting so early is if you're completely wrong you've ended up causing a lot of unnecessary problems.

[B & B]

...and no friggin TV coverage except local. Of course its raining and half full, whatdidchathink?

NFL SUNDAY TICKET + SUPERFANS = not enough dough to show the game/

DTV told me they would 'rebroadcast' the game on Sunday at 1:00 along with the other games.

Geez, thanks

[Hoya1]

...and no friggin TV coverage except local. Of course its raining and half full, whatdidchathink?

NFL SUNDAY TICKET + SUPERFANS = not enough dough to show the game/

DTV told me they would 'rebroadcast' the game on Sunday at 1:00 along with the other games.

Geez, thanks

my thoughts exactly. Friday night football and CBS has Jennifer Love Hewitt's show on. I wonder which show would get better ratings? :confused:

[Rizon]

Nice, the game isn't on TV here, now I gotta watch some stupid metro movie with my wife in hopes of possibily getting laid for it.

[Icy]

I'm following the pbp at nfl.com, won't post coments here to avoid to spoil it for the guys who want to watch it on Sunday.

[Ragone]

Agreed...I think Charlotte "should" get it.

The reason why they want the hof in kc is because it sets a new trend for the new nascar.. and it's closer to both coasts for the 3 or so new mexico nascar fans.. or something like that (wasn't a shot at nascar btw..)

[WrongWay]

The reason why they want the hof in kc is because it sets a new trend for the new nascar.. and it's closer to both coasts for the 3 or so new mexico nascar fans.. or something like that (wasn't a shot at nascar btw..)
Usualy there is some type of history to the site/town of where they build a Hall of Fame. Does Kansas City have any claim to fame for Nascar.

[WrongWay]

I'm following the pbp at nfl.com, won't post coments here to avoid to spoil it for the guys who want to watch it on Sunday.

For the love of God do not tell me I am going to have to watch a tape delayed KC game this sunday while other live games are on. I live in the Denver area so we get a lot of early 11am AFC West games here and that usualy means KC.