How desperate are you Green Bay?

[miami_fan]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2213282

PHILADELPHIA -- Terrell Owens thinks the Eagles could be undefeated at this point in the season if they had Brett Favre at quarterback.


In an exclusive interview with ESPN.com contributor Graham Bensinger, the outspoken wide receiver also said injuries to Donovan McNabb have slowed the Eagles (4-3) this season.

"If Donovan wasn't hurt our record would probably be better," Owens said Thursday night.

ESPN analyst Michael Irvin recently said the Eagles would be undefeated if Favre were the starting quarterback.

Asked for his thoughts on Irvin's comment, Owens said: "That's a good assessment, I would agree with that, just with what [Favre] brings to the table.

"A number of commentators will say he's a warrior, he's played with injuries. I feel like him being knowledgeable about the quarterback position, I feel like we'd probably be in a better situation."

Owens returned to practice Thursday after suffering a sprained ankle in the loss to Denver on Sunday. He's listed as questionable for Philadelphia's game, but told ESPN.com, "I would say I'm closer to playing than not."

McNabb has been bothered by injuries all season. He's been hampered by a sports hernia since Week 1, and also has a bruised chest and shin. McNabb missed his second straight practice Thursday with a rib injury and was downgraded to questionable.

Owens also hard harsh things to say about the Eagles for not publicly recognizing his 100th career touchdown catch Oct. 23 at home against the Chargers.

"That right there just shows you the type of class and integrity that they claim not to be," said Owens, who became the sixth receiver in NFL history to reach the milestone. "They claim to be first class and the best organization. It's an embarrassment. It just shows a lack of class they have. My publicist talked to the head PR guy, and they made an excuse they didn't recognize that was coming up. But that was a blatant lie. Had it been somebody else, they probably would have popped fireworks around the stadium."

Owens, who is unhappy with his contract, said he wants to remain in Philadelphia but doesn't think that will happen.

"I just want to be happy," he said. "If it's here, then I would love to be here; if not you got to move on. ... If there's a situation where they have a change of heart and come to their senses and pay me what I'm worth, then I'd be more than happy to be here.

"At this time I'm being honest with myself just trying to look toward the future, and I just don't see myself really being here. It's not because I don't want to be here, but I just don't foresee them doing the necessary things to keep me here."


Bensinger's full interview with Owens will be available next week on ESPN.com.


Really, is there a teams that desperate to give TO more than a year's contract? I mean you know that after that he is going to rip your organization.

[JasonC23]

I really wish TO would be interviewed more. Please, ESPN, keep going to him. America just can't get enough.

[Greyroofoo]

This just makes me an even bigger fan of Marvin Harrison

[PackerFanatic]

Wow...

[Raiders Army]

Is it his real attitude or is it just trying to stay in the limelight?

[flere-imsaho]

Yeah, I can really see Favre putting up with T.O.'s attitude.... :)

[vex]

Wow...
ditto

[PackerFanatic]

No kidding...look how he treated Walker when he was threatening a holdout.

[MacroGuru]

Is it his real attitude or is it just trying to stay in the limelight?
It's a mixture of both....

He has progressively gotten worse as his tenure in the NFL has gotten longer.....When he was a rookie, it was all about his grandma, and she kept him in check...now that she isn't around....he has turned into an asshole.

[pennywisesb]

This just makes me an even bigger fan of Marvin Harrison

I couldn't agree more. TO is such a joke. I'm interested to see which team will take the chance on him when he becomes a free agent.

[flere-imsaho]

By the time he becomes a free agent, won't he be in his mid/late 30s, though?

[Raiders Army]

You know, I like a little trash talking, but not to the extent TO does it. Here's my list:

1. TO: Too Obnoxious.
2. Marvin Harrison: The other end of the spectrum. I don't like it either.
3. Chad Johnson: He'd be a lot better if he could back it up (see Pepto incident).
4. Freddie Mitchell: Can't back it up at all.
5. Randy Moss: Not surprisingly, a good balance IMHO...and I have seen him block this year.

[panerd]

I hate him, always have. But this season I have him on my fantasy team so I keep hoping he will shut up and not piss somebody off so bad that he gets deactivated.

[panerd]

You know, I like a little trash talking, but not to the extent TO does it. Here's my list:

1. TO: Too Obnoxious.
2. Marvin Harrison: The other end of the spectrum. I don't like it either.
3. Chad Johnson: He'd be a lot better if he could back it up (see Pepto incident).
4. Freddie Mitchell: You're a lot worse than Chad Johnson; at least he can back it up some of the time.
5. Randy Moss: Not surprisingly, a good balance IMHO...and I have seen him block this year.

Wait a second. Freddie Mitchell backs it up and Chad Johnson doesn't? I know I have a little Bengal bias, that this is just silly.

[DeToxRox]

You know, I like a little trash talking, but not to the extent TO does it. Here's my list:

1. TO: Too Obnoxious.
2. Marvin Harrison: The other end of the spectrum. I don't like it either.
3. Chad Johnson: He'd be a lot better if he could back it up (see Pepto incident).
4. Freddie Mitchell: You're a lot worse than Chad Johnson; at least he can back it up some of the time.
5. Randy Moss: Not surprisingly, a good balance IMHO...and I have seen him block this year.

Wow. Besides Steve Smith and maybe Plax this year, there is no other WR I'd rather have then CJ and I don't like the Bengals.

Hope Shorty doesn't see this.

[Raiders Army]

Wait a second. Freddie Mitchell backs it up and Chad Johnson doesn't? I know I have a little Bengal bias, that this is just silly.
Maybe didn't make that clear. No...Freddie doesn't back it up at all. Chad performs, but when he runs his mouth he has a little trouble backing it up.

[rkmsuf]

Shorty is going to kick your ass.

[Raiders Army]

Eli will protect me.

[PackerFanatic]

I agree...Johnson is a lot better and can back it up better than Mitchell IMHO...and the fact that Mitchell is sitting at home jobless right now should be point enough.

[panerd]

Maybe didn't make that clear. No...Freddie doesn't back it up at all. Chad performs, but when he runs his mouth he has a little trouble backing it up.

I see, by re-reading it you are saying it least CJ backs it up sometimes. Maybe parentheses would have made it clearer.

[PackerFanatic]

Maybe didn't make that clear. No...Freddie doesn't back it up at all. Chad performs, but when he runs his mouth he has a little trouble backing it up.

That makes more sense :)

[Raiders Army]

Changed it

[PackerFanatic]

Had Javon not gotten hurt, I would almost put him on that list. Last year he proved he can step up when needed and although the offseason incidents tarnished him a little...he could have had a helluva year this year.

[TroyF]

I'll let people debate over TO and Moss (who are both incredible talents who are horrible teammates) and Harrison. (who is a very good WR, but is past his prime)

I'll let you guys debate it and I'll take Torry Holt.

[tucker342]

Tim Dwight all the way!

[Fonzie]

In answer to the question posed in the title of this thread - us Green Bay fans are desperate indeed, especially for WR help.

But I'm not sure we're that desperate.

[Chubby]

I'll let people debate over TO and Moss (who are both incredible talents who are horrible teammates) and Harrison. (who is a very good WR, but is past his prime)

I'll let you guys debate it and I'll take Torry Holt.
Marvin is past his prime?

Both Marvin and TO are in their 10th seasons so I'd love to hear your explanation on that. Marvin has never been hurt and plays on a team where (now) he isn't the sole focus of the passing game.

[TroyF]

Marvin is past his prime?

Both Marvin and TO are in their 10th seasons so I'd love to hear your explanation on that. Marvin has never been hurt and plays on a team where (now) he isn't the sole focus of the passing game.


Holt has never been the sole focus either. Both play on teams that have thrown the ball a ton and spread it out. Harrison is still a very good WR, but his numbers have been going down since the 143 catch season. Last year he had a very respectable season. All-Pro even. But he wasn't even the best WR on his own team. (that would be Reggie Wayne)

Marvin had a 4 year stretch where he was one of the best ever. Now he's a top 15 WR (no longer top 5 and you'd really have to make a case for top 10). He's Rod Smith with a touch more speed. (keep in mind, Rod Smith is one of my favorite players in the game today, lest you think I'm blasting him)

Holt, despite missing the last two weeks, is still likely to crack 1,300 yards for the 6th consecutive season. He's kept his average at over 14 yards a catch, something Marvin hasn't done in five years. Simply put, he's a better WR than Harrison now.

I like Marvin and the idea that he's too nice is pretty funny to me. But he's not at Holt's level now. Five years ago, he was. So unless you say that five years ago he was having career seasons every year, I'm pretty sure he's past his prime.

[flere-imsaho]

On a related note, Harrison has 103 TDs, of which 5 he caught this year. So presumably that means he hit 100 this year. Anyone know what Indy did in-game to recognize that?

[Chubby]

On a related note, Harrison has 103 TDs, of which 5 he caught this year. So presumably that means he hit 100 this year. Anyone know what Indy did in-game to recognize that?
I know at least the #100 from Peyton was a huge deal. Marvin usually keeps all of his TD balls but forced this one to Peyton which was nice.

You were comparing TO/Moss/Marvin 1st off and Holt certainly is their main go to guy. Bruce has been shit for years and so has Faulk. Holt is also 3 years younger than both TO and Marvin. Harrison doesn't need to put up 143 catch seasons anymore, they have other targets they can spread the ball to (Wayne, Stokley) where the Rams and Eagles don't. There's a big difference. The whole injury side is just added in Marvin's favor.

[Travis]

Until he got hurt I think Darrell Jackson was well on his way to establishing himself as a premier WR in this league. The drops had been nearly completely removed from his game. As much as it might improve the Seahawks as a team by thriving in spite of the injuries to Engram and Jackson, I think you'll see Jackson put up some big numbers once he's healthy again.

Not necessarily better than CJ or Holt at this point, but a lot closer than what a lot of people realize.

[Antmeister]

And this is why FOF 2006 (if it is being made) needs media interaction similar to FM. This stuff reads like fiction from a bad football movie.

[cougarfreak]

By the time he becomes a free agent, won't he be in his mid/late 30s, though?

I wish the NFL would have made him stick to his last deal when his agent fucked up his free agent filing papers.

[TroyF]

I know at least the #100 from Peyton was a huge deal. Marvin usually keeps all of his TD balls but forced this one to Peyton which was nice.

You were comparing TO/Moss/Marvin 1st off and Holt certainly is their main go to guy. Bruce has been shit for years and so has Faulk. Holt is also 3 years younger than both TO and Marvin. Harrison doesn't need to put up 143 catch seasons anymore, they have other targets they can spread the ball to (Wayne, Stokley) where the Rams and Eagles don't. There's a big difference. The whole injury side is just added in Marvin's favor.


First off, these two games are the first games Torry Holt has missed in his professional career. I think I'll skip the idea that he's some injury prone receiver and that adds to Harrisons because he's more durable. (especially as Marvin missed 4 games due to injury in '98) Second off:

180 catches - 2,385 yards
158 catches - 2,273 yards

Top number is Marvin Harrison the previous two years. Bottom number is Isaac Bruce. While Harrison has better numbers, I defy anyone to say that Bruce has been "shit" the last two years. He's been a very good WR, and were I to have used last seasons numbers alone, he'd have beat Harrison in both of the two categories.

Christ, you can't say anything without pissing someone off. I thought it was a pretty understood notion around the league that Harrison has lost a step and that Wayne was the guy you doubled now, not Marvin. My mistake.

Five years ago, I take Harrison. Right now? It's not even a contest, I'll take Holt.

[Chubby]

First off, these two games are the first games Torry Holt has missed in his professional career. I think I'll skip the idea that he's some injury prone receiver and that adds to Harrisons because he's more durable. (especially as Marvin missed 4 games due to injury in '98) Second off:

180 catches - 2,385 yards
158 catches - 2,273 yards

Top number is Marvin Harrison the previous two years. Bottom number is Isaac Bruce. While Harrison has better numbers, I defy anyone to say that Bruce has been "shit" the last two years. He's been a very good WR, and were I to have used last seasons numbers alone, he'd have beat Harrison in both of the two categories.

Christ, you can't say anything without pissing someone off. I thought it was a pretty understood notion around the league that Harrison has lost a step and that Wayne was the guy you doubled now, not Marvin. My mistake.

Five years ago, I take Harrison. Right now? It's not even a contest, I'll take Holt.
You seem to be missing the point that originally the comparsion was TO vs Marvin. You said Marvin is past his prime despite being the same age as TO.

Hmm, you've seemed to mysteriously left out their TD #s from the last 2 seasons now haven't you... here, I'll help you:

Marvin - 25
Bruce - 11

Marvin has never been a burner. He runs routes and has a connection with his quarterback. Thank you for your "league insight" tho, I must have missed the post were you let us know you were a scout for an NFL team. So much for that "understood notion around the league", Marvin and Wayne have the same number of catches with Wayne having slightly better yardage and Marvin having slightly more TDs

[TroyF]

You seem to be missing the point that originally the comparsion was TO vs Marvin. You said Marvin is past his prime despite being the same age as TO.

Hmm, you've seemed to mysteriously left out their TD #s from the last 2 seasons now haven't you... here, I'll help you:

Marvin - 25
Bruce - 11

Marvin has never been a burner. He runs routes and has a connection with his quarterback. Thank you for your "league insight" tho, I must have missed the post were you let us know you were a scout for an NFL team. So much for that "understood notion around the league", Marvin and Wayne have the same number of catches with Wayne having slightly better yardage and Marvin having slightly more TDs

With all due respect Chubby, get a grip. Past your prime doesn't mean you are finished. It means you aren't as good as you were in your prime. Harrison isn't. You can use any piece of garbage excuse you want as to why, but he isn't.

The reason I didn't include the TD totals is simple. Over the two years Colt QB's threw for 80 TD's. Marvin had 25 of em. (31%) Ram QB's threw for 46 combined TD's in the two years. Bruce had 11 of them. (23%)

Harrison catches more TD's because more TD's are thrown by his team. While Marvin's totals are higher than Bruce (as they are with the other statistics), it isn't a large amount. (If I take a typical 30TD season for a QB, the difference is two TD's a year, not the wide spread it first appears to be)

The funny thing is you make the point that Bruce was "shit" the last two years and then hammer my analysis. TD's or not, Bruce was the #2 WR for the Rams and put up overall numbers comparable to Marvin Harrison. You tell me who has the crap analysis.

[Fouts]

I think Steve Smith is the best receiver this year. He has carried my FF team to a 7-1 record (I lost on his bye week).

[korme]

Wow. Besides Steve Smith and maybe Plax this year, there is no other WR I'd rather have then CJ and I don't like the Bengals.

Hope Shorty doesn't see this.
Steve Smith is too small and Plaxico just isn't even close.

Took me long enough to see this, eh.

[AlexB]

I'd love to see what Joe Horn could do on a decent team - he looks a great receiver and he plays for the Saints: now that is something special..