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[sachmo71]

Go vote tomorrow. Yes, it's important. :)

Here is a nice site that weighs the pros and cons of the amendments.

http://www.tlc.state.tx.us/pubsconamend/analyses05/analyses05.pdf

[cartman]

Already sent in my absentee ballot

[JeeberD]

There's a vote tomorrow? :confused:

How have I not heard a thing about this?

[Logan]

I was so confused as to why last Tuesday wasn't Election Day, since it was the first Tuesday of November. Then I googled it. Turns out Election Day is on the first Tuesday after the first Monday of November. How bout that shit?

[jackyl]

Rick Perry (guv of the Lone Star State) has left me three voice mails. I guess that whole Proposition 2 marriage thing is a big deal or something for him.

[Draft Dodger]

There's a vote tomorrow? :confused:

How have I not heard a thing about this?

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[sachmo71]

Rick Perry (guv of the Lone Star State) has left me three voice mails. I guess that whole Proposition 2 marriage thing is a big deal or something for him.


I had a lady and a rancher call me. Down with the gays!

[Cringer]

My wife is considering canceling my kids soccer practice so she can go vote. Although I am sure things won't go our way, not in this state......

[Cringer]

Dola- And vote NO for #1. To hell with the railroad industry. Those bastards do everything they can to take business from the trucking industry. And trying to blame congestion on the highways and bad air quality in Texas all on trucks just so they can get taxpayer money to build rails is BS.

When it took me almost 2 hours to cross Houston the other day I remember seeing about a lot more cars then trucks, and the problem seemed to be the piss poor highway system which is made worse by the construction.

But I see how it works, it's the Texas Transportation Commission which I understand has always been pretty pro-railroad, once again helping out their friends. Lets give money to the rail industry and then build a toll-road and charge the crap out of trucks. Assmunchers....

[cartman]

I had a lady and a rancher call me. Down with the gays!

Yep, I had several voice mails waiting for me when I got back from Europe that said if I didn't vote for Prop. 2, I'd catch "teh ghey".

[sachmo71]

I guess I shouldn't be surprised that Prop 2 passed by a 3-1 margin.
I just hope that one day when we look back at the gay marriage debate, we recognize discrimination for what it is. Spin it however you want, but you are denying people basic rights.

You made me sad today, Texas.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I guess I shouldn't be surprised

No, you shouldn't. Nor should you be surprised that Texas provided what I would call the sterling highlight of an otherwise mildly disappointing election day.

We had diddly squat on the ballot here today, so I had to settle for kibbitizing elections in other states -- I believe this is the first election in 20 years of voting eligibility that I consciously decided to stay home & not bother. All we had here was an unexpired term of the (recently deceased) Probate Judge & a SPLOST 1% tax vote. I was thoroughly unimpressed by either candidate + I won't be here a year from now and the outcome of the 1% tax was a foregone conclusion, just like every other tax measure that goes on the ballot here (passed nearly 2-1).

[Honolulu_Blue]

I guess I shouldn't be surprised that Prop 2 passed by a 3-1 margin.
I just hope that one day when we look back at the gay marriage debate, we recognize discrimination for what it is. Spin it however you want, but you are denying people basic rights.

You made me sad today, Texas.

Amen to that.

[JeeberD]

I guess I shouldn't be surprised that Prop 2 passed by a 3-1 margin.
I just hope that one day when we look back at the gay marriage debate, we recognize discrimination for what it is. Spin it however you want, but you are denying people basic rights.

You made me sad today, Texas.


Agreed... :(

[jackyl]

So I went out to dinner tonight with the gf and her parents, and we started talking about the election today. It turns out that only myself and Tony, her stepdad, bothered to cast a vote. I brought up Prop 2 and he starts a five minute ramble about how the lecture at his church Sunday was over how gay marriage would ruin their church and the value system of their children.

And that, right there, is why a stupid piece of legislation that actually limits rights gets passed with over 70% of the vote. Instead of arguing, I got another double Dewars rocks and put it on his tab. Why bother when holy authorities are telling the short-attention span masses not to cast a vote for sin on Tuesday?

[Airhog]

I thought there was only steers and queers in texas...I guess the steers won this round...

[sachmo71]

So I went out to dinner tonight with the gf and her parents, and we started talking about the election today. It turns out that only myself and Tony, her stepdad, bothered to cast a vote. I brought up Prop 2 and he starts a five minute ramble about how the lecture at his church Sunday was over how gay marriage would ruin their church and the value system of their children.

And that, right there, is why a stupid piece of legislation that actually limits rights gets passed with over 70% of the vote. Instead of arguing, I got another double Dewars rocks and put it on his tab. Why bother when holy authorities are telling the short-attention span masses not to cast a vote for sin on Tuesday?


I read you on this, but I really like your reaction to this.

"Yeah, it will tear down the walls of society. Another scotch on you? Thanks, Dad!" :D

[Ragone]

I thought there was only steers and queers in texas...I guess the steers won this round...


you forgot beers my friend.. which obviously was the prevote beverage of choice

[sachmo71]

There is a house made of beer cans in Houston, so you may be onto something there, Ragone.

[bryce]

Looks like the homeless shelter was approved (Dallas), gay marriage was banned, and the strong mayor (Dallas again) was defeated (I really think this would pass if anyone but Laura Miller were mayor...)

edited for typo and add applicable to Dallas

[Subby]

Does that vote outlaw civil unions as well?

How does it effect domestic partnership insurance benefits?

[sachmo71]

Yeah, I was surprised by the homeless shelter getting passed. Nice to see, but Staubach won't be happy.

[Ragone]

Yeah, I was surprised by the homeless shelter getting passed. Nice to see, but Staubach won't be happy.


Roger Staubach? heh

[colt45]

I thought I saw that Dallas as a county had voted to oppose Prop 2 (Gay Marriage) - so you guys aren't totally on board with Bush and his right wing agenda. Now if the rest of the state could wake up...

[sachmo71]

Does that vote outlaw civil unions as well?

How does it effect domestic partnership insurance benefits?


Here's a link to the props....

http://www.sos.state.tx.us/elections/voter/2005novconsamend.shtml


I didn't see anything in the language that mentioned civil unions. I figure it's just a matter of time, though. People don't usually rest on their heels after such an overwhelming victory.

[albionmoonlight]

So I went out to dinner tonight with the gf and her parents, and we started talking about the election today. It turns out that only myself and Tony, her stepdad, bothered to cast a vote. I brought up Prop 2 and he starts a five minute ramble about how the lecture at his church Sunday was over how gay marriage would ruin their church and the value system of their children.

And that, right there, is why a stupid piece of legislation that actually limits rights gets passed with over 70% of the vote. Instead of arguing, I got another double Dewars rocks and put it on his tab. Why bother when holy authorities are telling the short-attention span masses not to cast a vote for sin on Tuesday?
Churches that want to keep their tax-friendly status really should not be doing political advocacy related to particular issues on the ballot.

[Crapshoot]

I guess I shouldn't be surprised that Prop 2 passed by a 3-1 margin.
I just hope that one day when we look back at the gay marriage debate, we recognize discrimination for what it is. Spin it however you want, but you are denying people basic rights.

You made me sad today, Texas.


The people who oppose gay rights today will be looked upon in time as the same kind of people who opposed civil rights back in the day - the arguements, and the constuiences, are remarkably similar - the concept of enshrining descrimination into the constitution is repulsive. Give it time. Just looking at this board, I bet if we polled gay rights by age, we'd see the split.

[albionmoonlight]

Does that vote outlaw civil unions as well?
Yes, it does--read the language on the first link in the thread. It goes out of its way to prevent any Texas entity from recognizing any relationship similar to marriage.

But we all knew that this issue was never about "protecting marriage," despite the dressed up language used by the "one man, one woman" crowd. It's about codifying discrimination against homosexuals. If it were anything less than that (at least in Texas), then the amendment would not have discussed civil unions at all.

[sachmo71]

Roger Staubach? heh


That was mostly tongue in cheek, and Staubach has been very generous to the homeless in the past. However, downtown developers did a study on the negative impact that a homeless assistance center would have on the central business district if it were built there, and he is a major player in that arena.

[Joe Canadian]

I guess I shouldn't be surprised that Prop 2 passed by a 3-1 margin.
I just hope that one day when we look back at the gay marriage debate, we recognize discrimination for what it is. Spin it however you want, but you are denying people basic rights.

You made me sad today, Texas.


Agreed.

[Subby]

The people who oppose gay rights today will be looked upon in time as the same kind of people who opposed civil rights back in the day - the arguements, and the constuiences, are remarkably similar - the concept of enshrining descrimination into the constitution is repulsive. Give it time. Just looking at this board, I bet if we polled gay rights by age, we'd see the split. I completely disagree with this. The civil rights movement had its roots in evangelical christianity. It was easy for Martin Luther King, a preacher, to claim the moral highground for the disenfranchised.

It just isn't that cut and dried here. Evangelical Christianity is gaining momentum in this country and around the world. The Episcopal Church is in crisis and bordering on fracture. There is heavy prejudice toward gays from groups of people that were themselves discriminated against just a generation or two ago.

I think it is only going to get worse in the next 100 years.

[Joe Canadian]

I think it is only going to get worse in the next 100 years.

I really hope your wrong.

[Subby]

I really hope your wrong. Me too. :(

[colt45]

I really hope your wrong.


Agreed. It's a scary thought. Scarier still is the fact that it IS a real possibility.

[Joe Canadian]

If it does get that bad... you're always welcome up here. :)

[sachmo71]

If it does get that bad... you're always welcome up here. :)


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Gotta stay and fight.

[Joe Canadian]

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Gotta stay and fight.

I'll be rooting for you!