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JonInMiddleGA
11-09-2005, 12:36 AM
Okay, here's the deal, let's see if I can manage to make some sort of sense in spite of posting just before going to sleep.

As I've mentioned in other threads, we're looking to move to an area with a higher quality selection of schools than we currently have. He may not be the smartest kid in the whole world but he's pretty much blowing the curriculum away, he's bored stiff, and has fairly little in common with the other kids beyond oxygen consumption. The plan is/has been to make the move at the end of the current school year, so that he starts at the new school in Fall 06.

We've identified several possibilities, have the general location in mind, etc, it's basically a matter of finding both the right fit for our (current) 2nd grader AND finding a fit at a school that isn't maxxed out on admissions in his grade.

Now, we know going into this that he's going to have some catching up to do -- the curriculum isn't nearly as challenging where he's been as where he's going -- and we're trying to prepare for that as much as possible before hand. For example, he's getting his first year of Spanish right now, the preferred school for him starts Spanish in Pre-K, so he'll be 2 years of instruction behind right off the bat. So we're looking for a Spanish tutor to try to make up some of that ground between now & then, can't cover 2 yrs in a few months but it'll at least be an improvement.

Well, that sort of leads to what we're looking at right now -- what else is he going to be trailing in & how can we best close that gap.

1) We're going to do the "Skills Assessment" at Sylvan in a couple of weeks. We're hoping it will give us a more detailed look at his strengths & weaknesses, beyond what we know already. At the very least, it'll serve as practice for standardized testing. We're hoping it proves worthwhile but are concerned that the tests are really just a way for them to try to pitch their various services & may not reflect reality (if, for example, reality is that he really doesn't need much from them). Anybody have any experience with Sylvan, any thoughts about their ability to function as a source for testing vs testing just as a way to sell you product?

2) Best case scenario, he aces the January entrance exam at the #1 choice for new school AND they determine they've got a slot for him in '06. At that point, we'll be totally focused on getting him as ready for the change as possible ... and it's becoming increasingly obvious to us that we could do that better with a half-year of homeschooling/tutoring than what he's currently getting. Has anybody ever dealt with this sort of transition before? And by that I mean not only with a student going from a so-so school to a pretty driven academic environment AND a transition from traditional school to homeschool?

It's the latter that present more practical issues for us right now. Normally, if you were making the move to homeschool, you'd likely build a curriculum that was deemed appropriate for his grade level, but ...
1) He's testing somewhere around 2 grade levels above his actual age/grade.
2) This might be a mid-year move, not a start of the year move - how do you figure out where to start, since I haven't seen much in the way of "Recommended Course of Study for Grade 2.5"

Of course (like a lot of my life) none of this is etched in stone, but I figured it was better to throw some of this stuff at the FOFC panel of experts than to just let it twist knots in my brain & stomach all alone.

Questions welcomed, because I'm sure I've left out a bunch of stuff but maybe there's enough here to at least start explaining what's going on.

If you made it this far, thanks.

wade moore
11-09-2005, 07:17 AM
Just a clarification - are you looking at going from public to private, private to private, or private to public?

GrantDawg
11-09-2005, 07:19 AM
Just a clarification - are you looking at going from public to private, private to private, or private to public?

It is public to private, it seems. Plus he's pulling the kid out of public to home school the rest of the year before going to private school.

JonInMiddleGA
11-09-2005, 07:34 AM
Just a clarification - are you looking at going from public to private, private to private, or private to public?

It's private to private.

GrantDawg
11-09-2005, 07:39 AM
It's private to private.

Ah! Piedmont Academy?

Flasch186
11-09-2005, 07:49 AM
I forget the name but here in Jacksonville there is one of the best schools in the ocuntry. Begins with an S. hmmmm, but dont move here, we dont need another republican voter j/k....seriously I love it here in Jville if thats an option for you.

Kodos
11-09-2005, 08:28 AM
Move to Kansas.

JonInMiddleGA
11-09-2005, 10:14 AM
Ah! Piedmont Academy?

You are correct sir.

We're just very unhappy with what we're getting there at this point -- basically a sense that they're quite satisified to simply be better than the local public school & absolutely no interest in actually seeing students reach their full potential.

Unfortunately, "mediocre" is plenty to keep them ahead of the county & seems to be their comfort level.

As you can probably gather, it's not our comfort level, hence the strong desire to make a move.

RPI-Fan
11-09-2005, 10:43 AM
Anybody have any experience with Sylvan, any thoughts about their ability to function as a source for testing vs testing just as a way to sell you product?

My boss's kid works at one, and based on the things he tells her, it seems like the place is pretty much a sham. If it were me, I know I'd avoid Sylvan at all costs.

vex
11-09-2005, 11:01 AM
My boss's kid works at one, and based on the things he tells her, it seems like the place is pretty much a sham. If it were me, I know I'd avoid Sylvan at all costs.
My sister goes to Sylvan and it has GREATLY increased her comprehension and confidence.

Buzzbee
11-09-2005, 11:08 AM
My first thought is...it is the friggin 2nd grade. It ain't rocket science. Literally.

However, upon further reflection I can see where you are coming from. The focus isn't education anymore. It is just getting them through.

While I respect your desire to uproot for the benefit of your child, in the back of my mind I'm telling myself that you are going to end up disappointed and frustrated. I don't think there are very many educational institutions that will live up to your expectations/desires. Especially not for any length of time. I have a feeling that you are going to be the only teacher that could possibly fill those shoes.

Sorry I don't have any practical or useful input in regard to your specific questions.

One other thought: Living in a state that ranks at or near the bottom of the educational barrell is probably not a good place to start looking for a top notch place to educate your child. As you said, being better than the rest may still end up being crappy.

JonInMiddleGA
11-09-2005, 11:43 AM
It is just getting them through.

Which, as you might imagine, is even more frustrating when you're writing a decent sized check for the "privilege" of that attitude. In hindsight, we were somewhat naive about what to expect from this particular school, private or not. Also, there's been a significant shift in the composition of the student body between the time we first moved here & now, and that seems to have contributed to a downward trend quite a bit.

I have a feeling that you are going to be the only teacher that could possibly fill those shoes.

This is also something that we know is a distinct possibility, but at this point there are at least enough reasons to hope that we feel like it's worth another try.

The biggest difference in where we are vs where we're trying to go is probably described as "attitude" -- the different "feel" of the two places is staggering.
Take one look at a classroom in session & it's obvious -- Will's morning currently consists of 2.5 hours of seat work that he describes as "they just pile this stuff up for us & then walk away". We got a chance to observe a bit of his prospective 3rd grade class in action a few weeks back, students fully engaged with an enthusiastic teacher. No joke, you could almost hear the little sponges sucking up information.

The difference in, well, the academic level of the students becomes clear in about two minutes with them too. Here's an example of what I mean: In Will's class, out of 22 students, exactly TWO were AWARE that there had been a hurricane in New Orleans on the Monday following the storm. The other 20 didn't have the foggiest notion what those two were talking about.
Just to be clear, I don't mean they didn't know chapter & verse about hurricanes, New Orleans, or the damage assessment on the Gulf Coast ...
I mean they didn't even know there had been a hurricane.

In contrast, the school we're looking at holds a half day "current events assembly" every Friday (grouped by grades, i.e. 1st & 2nd together, 3rd & 4th together). Those assemblies are led by the lower school headmaster with the help of the every teacher from those grades. Their topic on the day we visited? The US Supreme Court, John Roberts, the confirmation process, and what the things they're hearing on the news mean, how they work, etc.

Historically, the performance difference in the schools is dramatic -- avg SAT score at his current school is 1030-1050, avg SAT at the target school is 1500+. Where those students end up studying is also dramatically different -- about 80% of his current school graduates go on to college, very high 90% range for the target school (including several years with 100% college entrance with a class size that's 3-4 times larger).

Look at the places they enroll, you see Duke, Vanderbilt, Georgia Tech, Tulane, Princeton versus Georgia Southern, Middle Georgia College, LaGrange College, etc. I'm not knocking the latter schools directly, there are some good institutions represented, but we feel strongly that the absence of any graduates enrolling at any of the top 50-100 colleges in the country is indicative of an attitude problem of sorts -- I believe there's been some kids there who could have made it at the best of the best but the thought never entered their minds (nor was the option presented to them) ... they aren't taught to aspire to their potential, they're taught that "okay" is plenty good enough. And that's a deep-rooted systemic failing that we just can't swallow.

As you said, "it ain't rocket science" and I won't disagree with you there ... I'd just like for him to be in an environment where people at least know rockets exist ;)

Barkeep49
11-09-2005, 10:05 PM
Before I get to the heart of my message let me say that I've known a couple people who've worked at Sylvan, and dealt with them as a classroom teacher last year, and would be very wary of what they tell you. HOWEVER, the test that they give should be a valid instrument. So basically have them give the test and then analyze the results yourself (and I'd be willing to help if you're confused how to do that).

That said, I normally wouldn't post this but since this seems like the sort of thing that JIMGA would normally say I'll say it:

I don't think you should do much of anything to get him ready. If he's a bright kid letting him struggle in 3rd grade would do him a world of good. It'll teach him academic coping skills that he wouldn't normally have otherwise. When he catches up and starts performing to his and your expectations it'll give him a sense of pride and acomplishment. Bright kids, who aren't super bright, too often can coast and the longer they go until they hit the wall, the worse it'll be when it happens. A controlled difficulty, in third grade, will be good for him in the long run.