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duckman

11-13-2005, 10:14 AM

WWE is deeply saddened by the news that Eddie Guerrero has passed away. He was found dead this morning in his hotel room in Minneapolis. Eddie is survived by his wife Vickie and his two daughters.
Rest in peace, Eddie. :(

Maple Leafs

11-13-2005, 10:23 AM

Wow.

Raiders Army

11-13-2005, 10:29 AM

RIP. Cheat to Win.

Joe Canadian

11-13-2005, 10:29 AM

RIP. Hopefully this wasn't a case of his drinking...

hukarez

11-13-2005, 10:43 AM

http://dynamic.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/eek.gif Holy crap!

R.I.P...

JeeberD

11-13-2005, 10:46 AM

Is he the wrestler that's from El Paso or am I thinking of someone else?

MikeVic

11-13-2005, 10:52 AM

What?!?!?! Wow... Yeah, hopefully this wasn't a case of him going back to his problems of drugs and drinking, or steroids. :(

R.I.P.

Ramzavail

11-13-2005, 10:54 AM

wow.

TLK

11-13-2005, 10:54 AM

damn.

jbmagic

11-13-2005, 11:17 AM

oh my gosh.

he was just turning from heel to fan favorite again. he was working well with Bautista

General Mike

11-13-2005, 11:38 AM

damn.

what he said. :(

stevew

11-13-2005, 11:47 AM

This Sucks, Eddy.

Definately should have been a ton more than he was in WCW. Pretty decent worker, pretty effective heel. Other than that whole lWo garbage.

JonInMiddleGA

11-13-2005, 12:12 PM

:( :( :(

Tekneek

11-13-2005, 12:21 PM

Wrestlers sure seem to die before their time. Live fast, die young.

Airhog

11-13-2005, 12:23 PM

damn, I never watched much wrestling, but he was probably my favorite.

Emiliano

11-13-2005, 12:27 PM

RIP

molson

11-13-2005, 12:37 PM

Reports are that he had breakfast with Chavo Guerrero before returning to his hotel room, and then he didn't leave again when expected to.

WWE is taping both RAW and Smackdown tonight, because they're going on some sort of European tour starting tomorrow. Both are scheduled to be some kind of tribute show. I can't imagine what it's like trying to put together four hours of programming later tonight in response to this, especially since they already lost Batista to injury last week. That's their two biggest stars on Smackdown.

dervack

11-13-2005, 02:02 PM

he was just turning from heel to fan favorite again. he was working well with Bautista

No offense, but I think that's the least of anyone's concern right now.

RIP Latino Heat.

Schmidty

11-13-2005, 02:14 PM

Damn, he was one of the best. :(

DaddyTorgo

11-13-2005, 02:18 PM

oh no! not Eddie Guerrero! Damnit!

SirFozzie

11-13-2005, 03:41 PM

shitfuck.

TazFTW

11-13-2005, 06:21 PM

Is he the wrestler that's from El Paso or am I thinking of someone else?
Yes.

Sad. :(

JeffNights

11-13-2005, 06:24 PM

What in Hell, we usually see wrestlers cut down a decade or so after they have retired, but this is shocking..

Neon_Chaos

11-13-2005, 06:29 PM

MOTHER FUCKER.

Jeez. That's a fucking downer.

He was one of the best, in the ring and on the mic. He went through a difficult time during his WCW stint, battling alcoholism and family problems... he overcame all of that and was easily one of the most entertaining perfomer in the WWE.

RIP Eddie. Thanks for all the fun memories. :(

CHEMICAL SOLDIER

11-13-2005, 06:30 PM

RIP. Hope it;s not steroid or drug related and, just a heart attack, brain aneurism and or what not.

Neon_Chaos

11-13-2005, 06:33 PM

RIP. Hope it;s not steroid or drug related and, just a heart attack, brain aneurism and or what not.

He has had drug problems in the past, but he worked his ass off to get sober and cleaned up during the past couple of years to get to the top of the WWE cards.:(

Jeez, man. I can't handle this. He was like a personal hero for me.

kingfc22

11-13-2005, 06:37 PM

WOW! That's really sad.

Neon_Chaos

11-13-2005, 06:40 PM

http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/news/newsboard.php?news_id=13054

Apparently, he had a heart attack. :(

jbmagic

11-13-2005, 06:46 PM

Eddie Guerrero had breakfast with Chavo Guerrero this morning and then returned to his hotel room. When he did not come out at the expected time, Chavo and others knocked on his door and called his room to no answer. Security got his door open and Guerrero was found dead in the bathroom with a toothbrush in his mouth. It is believed that he had a heart attack while brushing his teeth.

WWE wrestlers and staff were very shaken up as they headed to the Target Center for the RAW/Smackdown taping tonight. As reported earlier, the plans for the taping have been changed to make it a Eddie Guerrero dedication show.

tucker rocky

11-13-2005, 08:49 PM

This is really shocking to read, :( but if it's a heart attack, steroids is a probable cause.

Steroids are a known abused drug in wrestling, even if they deny it.

I know Eddie would sometimes talk about his past "demons" on the mic.

No more Lying, cheating, and stealing. :(

R.I.P. Eddie Guerrero

Terps

11-13-2005, 09:30 PM

With Batista being hurt he was probably going to win the title at the Smackdown! taping tonight.

R.I.P.

Greyroofoo

11-13-2005, 10:11 PM

I guess he's being body-slammed by Andre the Giant in that big Wrestling Arena in the sky :(

Blade

11-14-2005, 08:14 AM

Wow...I haven't watched wrestling in a few years now, but he was always fun to watch.

RIP Eddie...

Deattribution

11-14-2005, 09:07 PM

Pretty tasteless comments - from lordsofpain

Anthony P. Landrosh sent in the following letter to me. He said that he was listening to ESPN radio earlier today, "The Herd With Colin Cowherd", and Colin Cowherd said some rude comments about Eddie Guerrero's passing. He accused Eddie and other wrestlers of steroid use. Cowherd said, "who cares that he died" and that Guerrero's death was not "newsworthy." He also started speculation on the "unknown causes" of his death.

Neon_Chaos

11-14-2005, 09:15 PM

Pretty tasteless comments - from lordsofpain

That's just sad. I'd bet if he died nobody would fucking care.

Guerrero was a big loss. I'll miss him. :(

SirFozzie

11-14-2005, 09:17 PM

jbmagic

11-14-2005, 09:55 PM

very nice tribute to Eddie Guerrero tonight on Monday Night Raw.

and other one on friday smackdown

Dr. Sak

11-14-2005, 10:09 PM

Apparently ESPN is getting flooded by so many complaints about Cowherd's comments, that if you call them, there's a option on the phone system if you wish to complain about the comments made by cowherd.

Colin Cowturd is a fuckin asshole. He comes off as a dick to get ratings. He rarely ever says anything that is insightful. Just quit listening to him so his ratings go down.

Flasch186

11-14-2005, 11:21 PM

I miss the old morning show with Tony Kornheiser.

cthomer5000

11-14-2005, 11:24 PM

I miss the old morning show with Tony Kornheiser.
Mr. Tony!

JeeberD

11-14-2005, 11:28 PM

That show STUNK! :(

saldana

11-15-2005, 01:49 AM

Apparently ESPN is getting flooded by so many complaints about Cowherd's comments, that if you call them, there's a option on the phone system if you wish to complain about the comments made by cowherd.
i will never listen to colin again, and i had actually liked his show prior to those comments...in all honesty, think eddie was on steroids, especially right after he came to wwe and got hurt in his first show, but i really dont think that has anything to do with his death...i think so many of these guys die so young is because the human body just is not designed to take the beating that they subject themselves to. their organs get batted around 300 nights a year, their blood pressure maxes out and their internal systems cannot tolerate the prolonged strain. it really is a shame, because they love what they do, and they are some of the most entertaining people on TV at times. to me it doesnt matter if he juiced or not, he was an entertainer, and he felt he needed it for part of his job, the only thing that i care about at this point is, there are 3 kids in Texas right now that dont have a father anymore....too bad Colin is such a dick that he doesnt think they are important enough to care about.

Schmidty

11-15-2005, 02:15 AM

I'd like to see that asshole stand in front of Eddie's family and say the shit he did. What a hateful, hateful person.

Neon_Chaos

11-15-2005, 02:24 AM

i will never listen to colin again, and i had actually liked his show prior to those comments...in all honesty, think eddie was on steroids, especially right after he came to wwe and got hurt in his first show, but i really dont think that has anything to do with his death...i think so many of these guys die so young is because the human body just is not designed to take the beating that they subject themselves to. their organs get batted around 300 nights a year, their blood pressure maxes out and their internal systems cannot tolerate the prolonged strain. it really is a shame, because they love what they do, and they are some of the most entertaining people on TV at times. to me it doesnt matter if he juiced or not, he was an entertainer, and he felt he needed it for part of his job, the only thing that i care about at this point is, there are 3 kids in Texas right now that dont have a father anymore....too bad Colin is such a dick that he doesnt think they are important enough to care about.

With regards to the steroid use in Pro-Wrestling, I actually think it is noone's business since there is no actual legitimate "athletic competition" to talk about, hence no "unfair advantage" gained through steroid use.

And I agree wholeheartedly regarding the amount of punishment these wrestlers take. Each solid bump would be approx. like being hit by a car going at 10-20 MPH. The human body is truly not designed to take that kind of punishment 250+ days a year.

I think what makes Eddie's death so sad and tragic, is that he fought his way out of alcoholism and pain-killer addiction. He was sober for four years, as his wife, nephew and almost everyone around him claim. He lost everything, his family, his job, his way of life.... his wife left him and took away his kids, his WWE career went into a tailspin, he was in shambles. Then when the WWE asked him to pick either rehab or being fired... he chose to go to rehab. He fought hard to win everything back piece by piece. He managed to renew his vows with his then estranged wife, he managed to reach the top of the ladder in the WWE... he was a real-life comback story... he was the one guy who actually fought against all odds, straightened out his life and managed to turn his entire predicament 180 degrees... and yet we still lost him too early.

He mentioned in his DVD that he realized that he would end up dead in a hotel somewhere if he didn't turn his life around. It hurts that after all he did to turn his life around, he still wound up dead at a young age.

If there's anyone I feel for, it's his wife, Vicky and his three children... whom most of the wrestling smarks, marks and smarts alike have seen and have grown an affinity to after having them involved in several WWE shows, and his recently released DVD. Vicky saw through his lowest valleys, and his highest peaks... it was obvious that she was the center of his life, and he was hers.

:(

The image of Benoit and Guerrero standing tall in Wrestlemania XX will always be etched in my memory. So will many other moments Thanks for everything Eddie, thanks for the moments that helped me get away from all the hassles of real life with your antics, your charisma and your wrestling. You will be missed dearly. By everyone.

Neon_Chaos

11-15-2005, 03:53 AM

Eddie Guerrero Tribute Video (http://www.users.on.net/~jpride/Videos/EddieMV-These_dreams.wmv)

Brought tears to my eyes.

tucker rocky

11-15-2005, 06:30 AM

I hope they give Chavo a really big push to stardom, maybe not like Eddie, but a bigger push.

Joe Canadian

11-15-2005, 07:44 AM

With regards to the steroid use in Pro-Wrestling, I actually think it is noone's business since there is no actual legitimate "athletic competition" to talk about, hence no "unfair advantage" gained through steroid use.

People in wrestling don't take steroids for the athletic performance, well that's not the main reason anyway... they do it for the look. But that's not why I think they need that area of the business cleaned up... they need it cleaned up for two reasons, the health of their employees & the health of their fans\future employees.

Wrestling isn't like any of the major sports when it comes to steroids, other athletes are ashamed of it and don't brag about it... the only real exception is Conseco. In wrestling it's bragged about like it's just part of the business, that's dangerous. After all the people that have died as a result of steroid use (even if this wasn't the case with Eddie), the last thing wrestling needs is to have young guys coming in, or their fans, starting this nasty habit. Plus wrestling was better when everyone didn't look like Triple H...

But even a bigger thing that wrestling organizations need to change is their schedule. Having guys on the road 300+ days a year is a disaster waiting to happen... especially when you're dealing with guys that have drug & drinking problems in the past. Again, even if this wasn't the case with Eddie... putting someone in rehab for a few months, then throwing them back into this gruelling schedule doesn't help anyone involved. Wrestling really needs to look into having an off-season like every other sport of TV show.

moriarty

11-15-2005, 08:21 AM

Joe Canadian

11-15-2005, 08:26 AM

I don't watch wrestling, but I just saw a commercial for WWE (or whatever it is) and I could have sworn they said featuring Eddie Guerroro in the Survivor Series. Gee, you think they might want to pull this commercial, talk about bad taste.

Not bad taste... probably just a network airing an old commercial. He only died a few days ago...

JonInMiddleGA

11-15-2005, 08:27 AM

I don't watch wrestling, but I just saw a commercial for WWE (or whatever it is) and I could have sworn they said featuring Eddie Guerroro in the Survivor Series. Gee, you think they might want to pull this commercial, talk about bad taste.

I wouldn't be surprised if you did, trying to recall spots on the level that the WWE advertises is a pretty enormous undertaking.

I'll hazard a guess or two though ... in my mind, the most likely thing to have seen would have been a PPV "Order Now" promo running either on satellite/cable. Those aren't placed by the WWE, they're sales tools for the provider & I doubt most systems have even given them a second thought (or even know who Eddy was, much less that he's dead). The 2nd most likely source for the spot would be something airing locally on cable/broadcast, bought as part of an ad flight in a market where WWE is appearing soon. If that's the case, given the number of markets & the reaction time of the average mega-agency, I'd suspect it would take the better part of a week to get those spots off the air.

Neon_Chaos

11-15-2005, 09:17 AM

People in wrestling don't take steroids for the athletic performance, well that's not the main reason anyway... they do it for the look. But that's not why I think they need that area of the business cleaned up... they need it cleaned up for two reasons, the health of their employees & the health of their fans\future employees.

Wrestling isn't like any of the major sports when it comes to steroids, other athletes are ashamed of it and don't brag about it... the only real exception is Conseco. In wrestling it's bragged about like it's just part of the business, that's dangerous. After all the people that have died as a result of steroid use (even if this wasn't the case with Eddie), the last thing wrestling needs is to have young guys coming in, or their fans, starting this nasty habit. Plus wrestling was better when everyone didn't look like Triple H...

But even a bigger thing that wrestling organizations need to change is their schedule. Having guys on the road 300+ days a year is a disaster waiting to happen... especially when you're dealing with guys that have drug & drinking problems in the past. Again, even if this wasn't the case with Eddie... putting someone in rehab for a few months, then throwing them back into this gruelling schedule doesn't help anyone involved. Wrestling really needs to look into having an off-season like every other sport of TV show.
I agree 100%.

duckman

11-15-2005, 09:26 AM

The rumor flying around the net is that Eddie was going to win the belt off Batista while he was rehabbing his injured back. Now, they are now thinking of putting it on Randy Orton for the time being.

Schmidty

11-15-2005, 01:50 PM

Raiders Army

11-15-2005, 02:08 PM

I despise Randy "Cookie Cutter" Orton. If he wins the title, I'll be very annoyed.
Ditto.

duckman

11-15-2005, 02:52 PM

Vickie Guerrero speaks on Eddie's autopsy report
Nov. 15, 2005

After the untimely passing of Eddie Guerrero, WWE and the entire sports-entertainment community is still reeling from the devastating loss of a champion. The initial autopsy reports on Guerrero have come in. WWE.com spoke with Eddie’s widow, Vickie Guerrero, earlier today.

“It was heart failure. It was from his past – the drinking and the drug abuse. They found signs of heart disease. She (the examiner) said that the blood vessels were very worn and narrow, and that just showed all the abuse from the scheduling of work and his past. And Eddie just worked out like crazy all the time. It made his heart grow bigger and work harder and the vessels were getting smaller, and that’s what caused the heart failure. He went into a deep sleep.

As soon as they saw his heart, they saw the lining of his heart already had the heart disease. There was no trauma, and Eddie hadn’t hurt himself in any way. It answered a lot of questions. I knew Eddie wasn’t feeling very good for the last week. He was home and kept saying he wasn’t feeling good and we thought it was just “road tired.” So we thought he just had to rest. It answered a lot of my questions, too, because he was just so exhausted. She said it was normal because the heart was working so hard.

When he didn’t call me last night and the night before I knew it was for real, because he would call me every night. I miss his phone calls. I cried through the whole thing (last night).

I loved his laugh. His laugh was the best.

We just celebrated his four-year sobriety last Thursday. We just thought we had life by the handful. We thought we had it all figured out. He worked so hard to make a better life for us.

I’m just overwhelmed by how people are coming out. It’s touched my heart a lot.

Everybody was just in awe last night in how beautifully everything was put together.

All my life was wrestling. All he did was take care of them and live for that. And I don’t know what to do now.”

Scoobz0202

11-15-2005, 08:25 PM

Eddie Guerrero Tribute Video (http://www.users.on.net/%7Ejpride/Videos/EddieMV-These_dreams.wmv)

Brought tears to my eyes.
I cant download it anymore. Do you know where else I can get it?

Neon_Chaos

11-16-2005, 12:24 AM

I cant download it anymore. Do you know where else I can get it?

http://s31.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=26X8LBDGSYQWE1IVGBR9GV94OG

DeToxRox

11-16-2005, 10:52 PM

This is taken from Wade Kellers preview to his new Torch Newsletter.

The pre-cursorer is someone in the WWE is on a Death Watch, where they think they could go at any moment like Eddie so people are looking out for whomever it is.

The deathwatch, which is apparently no secret to most within WWE, is still possibly unknown to Vince McMahon, who would need to be informed. The un-named wrestler, should he pass away, would make the coverage of the shocking and tragic news this week of the passing of Eddie Guerrero look minor by comparison, due to his credentials.

DaddyTorgo

11-16-2005, 10:56 PM

DeToxRox

11-16-2005, 11:03 PM

so are we thinking someone like Hogan/Flair who is older, or someone who has just wrestled for a while and may have a lot of injuries like say UT or Mick Foley?

I am thinking Flair .. but my gut says Angle

His wifes left him .. His neck has been f'd .. It's a pre-cursor for alcohol and pill abuse.

I hope it's not true but it makes a lot of sense.

JonInMiddleGA

11-16-2005, 11:08 PM

DeToxRox

11-16-2005, 11:12 PM

I'm taking the "could go like Eddie" to totally unexpectedly to the general public, so ... If there's a Dead Pool kinda thing here, I might consider putting money down on the following: HHH, Austin, or 'Taker.

Given age/physical abuse, etc. would Hogan or Flair or even Foley (well, maybe Foley) be all that shocking?

I think Austin would make sense. HHH Is married to VInces daughter so he'd know, and he and Taker have both had extended periods off so I'm thinking they're fine.

Flair makes a lot of sense.

Meanwhile Foley is too smart and committed to his family to do anything stupid and I don't think he's touring with them, same for Hogan.

DaddyTorgo

11-16-2005, 11:13 PM

I am thinking Flair .. but my gut says Angle

His wifes left him .. His neck has been f'd .. It's a pre-cursor for alcohol and pill abuse.

I hope it's not true but it makes a lot of sense.
Not Angle! Not my Olympic-Hero! Although, I don't think I've enjoyed Angle nearly as much since he dropped the whole "I'm a Gold Medalist so I'm going to preach to all of you idiots" schitck. What was his tagline during that time anyway?

I would agree with Jon that HHH/Taker/Austin and I guess maybe Angle due to his neck-problems would be likely. Although I don't watch any WWE anymore so I have no idea of the relative health of these guys, but obviously Austin/HHH/Angle have all had huge injuries that could lead to pill/alcohol abuse, but how is Taker? Have we seen him wrestle at all lately?

MikeVic

11-16-2005, 11:15 PM

It's too hard to guess. Any of the bigger guys like Triple H, Batista, Benoit, Angle, etc... would be shocking and depressing.

DaddyTorgo

11-16-2005, 11:16 PM

If Flair dies I'm going to legit cry. Hard. Flair was the wrestler that I liked the most. I wouldn't say I have any wrestling heroes, or idols or anything, but Flair is my favorite. I have like 2-3 different VHS sets of Flair-compilation videos, including all kinds of interviews and matches from early in his career through the end of WCW. Anything Flair basically I have. God I'd miss him.

MikeVic

11-16-2005, 11:17 PM

What was his tagline during that time anyway?

Wasn't it the thing about the 3 Is? Intensity, Integrity, and Intelligence? :)

...but how is Taker? Have we seen him wrestle at all lately?

That's what makes me rule him out... for awhile now, he hasn't had to take a regular toll on the body...

JonInMiddleGA

11-16-2005, 11:20 PM

If Flair dies I'm going to legit cry. Hard.

You wouldn't be alone, you wouldn't be alone.

SirFozzie

11-16-2005, 11:26 PM

The Eddie Guerrero tribute T-Shirt is out, $20, and all proceeds go to his family.

The one and only wrestling based T-Shirt I might wear.

http://www.wweshop.com/product_detail.asp?CAT=FEATURED6&productId=01-07500

DeToxRox

11-16-2005, 11:34 PM

Best Kurt Angle slogan ever

Angle for Absenence

Schmidty

11-16-2005, 11:39 PM

I love Flair, but I don't think it's Flair. He just wrestled on this past RAW.

Deattribution

11-17-2005, 12:16 AM

I think it's.... gasp Wade Keller trying to sell his fledging newsletter.

Maple Leafs

11-17-2005, 09:07 AM

albionmoonlight

11-17-2005, 09:16 AM

Eddie Guerrero Tribute T-shirt

Since the untimely death of beloved WWE Superstar Eddie Guerrero there has been an outpouring of support from fans around the world. In response to this WWE is paying tribute to one of Wrestling’s greatest by releasing a commemorative t-shirt in his honor. Show your support of the legacy and family of Eddie Guerrero by purchasing this t-shirt. All proceeds are being donated to the family of Eddie Guerrero.Vince McMahon facinates me. On the one hand, he can be one of the most classless, selfish, and tacky people I have ever seen. On the other, he can do really classy and selfless things like the T-Shirt tribute above.

Add in the fact that "Mr. McMahon" is a character in the storylines, and I really have no idea what is real and what is fake about him. He personally interests me more than most figures in the public eye.

duckman

11-17-2005, 09:35 AM

Not sure about any death watch, but it's really disturbing what's happened to Angle over the year. The guy is huge now, and his head has really ballooned. Factor in the surprising recovery from neck problems that were supposed to be career-ending and it's not hard to guess what's going on.

I guess what bothers me is that guys like Guerrero and Angle shouldn't need to be on anything. I can understand guys like Batista and Masters being juiced up -- if they're not huge, they have nothing to bring to the table. But why is it that a guy who has a true gift for the business still feels the need to add so much size? What is it about that work environment that's making guys do this?
Angle needs the extra muscle around his neck to keep it stablized. He has been quoted in the past that he had to step up his workout regiment because he wants to stay in the business for 2-3 more years. It doesn't suprise me that he would to got to the lengths to juice up for the purpose of staying in the business for a little longer.

Joe Canadian

11-17-2005, 10:34 AM

It doesn't suprise me that he would to got to the lengths to juice up for the purpose of staying in the business for a little longer.

It's the climate of acceptance like this that will see wrestlers continue to live very short lives...

saldana

11-17-2005, 12:52 PM

i dont think angle is juiced up at all, go find pictures of him from when he won his gold medal, and he was more ripped then...i just think he has an insane workout regimen to compensate for his neck...seriously, the guy wears a mouthpiece in the ring as a measure of safety and setting an example, and you think he goes n the back and jams a needle in his ass?

as far as the deathwatch thing goes, if it is for real, my money would be on chris benoit...i cant even imagine what he has had to deal with in the past few years...first owen hart, who he had been friends with since they were kids, now eddie, who was his best friend, period....how many of us wouldnt need a death watch if we had that shit happen.

Schmidty

11-17-2005, 12:59 PM

It's the climate of acceptance like this that will see wrestlers continue to live very short lives...

But it's their choice. They know the consequences, and they still choose to do it. I think part of it's glory, but I also think a lot of it's about putting money in the bank and food on the table. Ric Flair is the rare example of a guy who can let himself go without steroids and still be over; however, he's the exception because he's a huge legend. Other wrestlers don't have that luxury.

molson

11-17-2005, 01:02 PM

i dont think angle is juiced up at all, go find pictures of him from when he won his gold medal, and he was more ripped then...i just think he has an insane workout regimen to compensate for his neck...seriously, the guy wears a mouthpiece in the ring as a measure of safety and setting an example, and you think he goes n the back and jams a needle in his ass?

Look at the difference in the head and face of Angle in the last 10 years. For him, (and for many wrestlers), the steroids aren't about "bulking up", they're about returning quickly from injury and keeping the paychecks coming. And look how skinny his arms are now - his triceps have almost completely atrophied, likely a product of nerve damage. Angle's just a mess.

http://a1204.g.akamai.net/7/1204/1401/04111108011/images.barnesandnoble.com/images/8570000/8579662.jpg

http://www.wwe.com/superstars/raw/kurtangle/photos/17.jpg

stevew

11-17-2005, 01:07 PM

Wow, Angle does look like a freak. He used to be one of my faves too, back when he first came out.

Joe Canadian

11-17-2005, 01:45 PM

But it's their choice. They know the consequences, and they still choose to do it. I think part of it's glory, but I also think a lot of it's about putting money in the bank and food on the table. Ric Flair is the rare example of a guy who can let himself go without steroids and still be over; however, he's the exception because he's a huge legend. Other wrestlers don't have that luxury.

I know it's their choice... but my point is more that the WWE and other feds shouldn't allow it. People who are good enough, Angle is one of them, can have lengthy careers even after they can't wrestle anymore...

Ryche

11-17-2005, 01:56 PM

To be fair, those two pictures show him in quite different poses, one that is designed to show off the muscles and one that isn't. And it's hard to compare heads when one is shaved and the other isn't. The one difference that really strikes me is the change in neck muscle size, but that makes sense considering he's had to strengthen his neck to protect it.

Not saying he's not on steroids, I'm sure many wrestlers are, but a muscular physique doesn't necessarily indicate steroid use. They workout a ton and it's their job to look impressive.

Schmidty

11-17-2005, 02:05 PM

dubb93

11-17-2005, 02:45 PM

I didn't watch wrestling for about a year and then a month or so ago turned on RAW and the first person I saw was Angle. I looked at my buddy who has watched religously for about 15 years and just said, "Angle is a mess."

It was so obvious after a break. His voice was so much deeper than anything it ever was, from my point of view as a guy who wasn't used to hearing him for about a year I could barely understand a word he was saying. And he had the steriod use ripped guy with a stomach thing going on, and was just crazy looking. From that one viewing I would say Angle needs time off, and now.

Fidatelo

11-17-2005, 04:41 PM

Wow, Angle does look like a freak. He used to be one of my faves too, back when he first came out.
Kurt Angle is gay?! http://dynamic.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/eek.gif

Deattribution

11-17-2005, 05:04 PM

I don't know why people keep making out his neck injury to be evidence of roids, he had a non-evasive surgery to temporarily repair it, knowing that later on he'd have a career ending surgery...

He's never been a small guy, and he's always been an insane work-out machine, going back to the days before he was ever even in the WWE, so I wouldn't say he's a sure bet to have done it... especially considering how he's always truly went out of his way to set an example for kids behind the scenes.

Deattribution

11-17-2005, 05:05 PM

dola

and I think it's extremely tacky we have all these people posting speculation over who's going to die next in a thread about a wrestler who just died.

It goes to show that some people don't even care about wrestling until something tragic happens, then suddenly everyone is interested... obvious by the huge ratings spike Raw got.

VPI97

11-17-2005, 05:14 PM

It goes to show that some people don't even care about wrestling until something tragic happens, then suddenly everyone is interested... obvious by the huge ratings spike Raw got.I would think that was more of a case of former viewers who have lost interest in wrestling tuning in to pay their respects. I haven't watched wrestling since the ECW/WCW days, but I turned it on for a while on Monday night because Eddie was a big part of the stuff I did watch back then.

JonInMiddleGA

11-17-2005, 05:29 PM

and I think it's extremely tacky we have all these people posting speculation over who's going to die next in a thread about a wrestler who just died.

It goes to show that some people don't even care about wrestling until something tragic happens, then suddenly everyone is interested... obvious by the huge ratings spike Raw got.

You figure this connection ... how?

I've been following wrestling for more than 30 years, longer than most WWE fans have been living, so I don't think "suddenly interested" is even remotely in play here.

Maple Leafs

11-17-2005, 05:34 PM

It goes to show that some people don't even care about wrestling until something tragic happens, then suddenly everyone is interested...
Are you even reading the thread? There's more concern for the wrestlers expressed in this thread than there probably is in the Titan front offices...

Raiders Army

11-17-2005, 05:43 PM

Kurt Angle was really good. It's true, it's true.

Schmidty

11-17-2005, 05:47 PM

Deattribution

11-17-2005, 05:59 PM

Are you even reading the thread? There's more concern for the wrestlers expressed in this thread than there probably is in the Titan front offices...

Yeah alot of concern in saying Benoit, Flair, Angle ect ect.. might be the next dead wrestlers.

There was nothing wrong with the beginning of this thread, but when you start speculating on who's going to die - it's tacky.

You figure this connection ... how?

I've been following wrestling for more than 30 years, longer than most WWE fans have been living, so I don't think "suddenly interested" is even remotely in play here.

And last I checked, I didn't specifically name anyone who I was referring to, it'd be relevant how long you have been a wrestling fan if you had been the only one posting in this thread.

The ratings went up, sure, plenty of people want to see what's going on and pay tribute, but traffic on wrestling sites have went up x3, ratings are up over a full point - people are speculating on who's going to die next... where was all this 'concern' and interest before?

JonInMiddleGA

11-17-2005, 06:09 PM

And last I checked, I didn't specifically name anyone who I was referring to, it'd be relevant how long you have been a wrestling fan if you had been the only one posting in this thread.

No, it's relevant because you attempted to connect things & reached a faulty conclusion.

where was all this 'concern' and interest before?

As for the increased web traffic, there's something to discuss, sad though it may be ... and that's more than I can say about wrestling at any time in the past several years. A lot of people remember Eddie from far more than his WWE work, that tends to draw back in a lot of people who haven't had much to say in quite a while.

Although I didn't watch this week, I'd say it's pretty safe to say a lot of people who normally don't did ... in order to see the tributes, to see how it was handled, to somehow share their grief a little bit.

As for the DeadPool aspect, I haven't seen anyone wishing anyone dead, just speculation about the possibilities behind the Keller rumor. Given both the current circumstances & the belief of many that there's a widespread acceptance of something that's killing wrestlers, I see zero problem with discussing the rumor up to & including speculating about the possible subjects.

Schmidty

11-17-2005, 06:48 PM

... where was all this 'concern' and interest before?

Who the fuck cares? It's there now, and I think being concerned and interested in your fellow man is a good thing, even if it's because of a death or sensationalism.

People go to funerals of people that they haven't seen in years to pay tribute as well. That's essentially the same thing as what's going on in the WWE right now. Does that bother you too? If so, I think you need to re-think things.

Deattribution

11-17-2005, 06:49 PM

No, it's relevant because you attempted to connect things & reached a faulty conclusion.

Hardly, just an attempt to blow your own horn. I said all these people posting speculation is tacky not JonInMiddleGA posting speculation is tacky. One person out of a dozen doesn't make a faulty conclusion.Not going to turn this into a pissing contest though...

Eddie was an extremely entertaining wrestler, with as many have stated - a wide variety of emotions that he could portray, and it's unfortunate to see someone who was really trying to turn around their life do it a little too late.

Deattribution

11-17-2005, 06:51 PM

Who the fuck cares? It's there now, and I think being concerned and interested in your fellow man is a good thing, even if it's because of a death or sensationalism.

People go to funerals of people that they haven't seen in years to pay tribute as well. That's essentially the same thing as what's going on in the WWE right now. Does that bother you too? If so, I think you need to re-think things.

Tribute is fine, just when those same people who goto funerals to pay tribute start speculating on who is going to die next - it's tacky.... don't like it? maybe you need to re-think things too.

MikeVic

11-17-2005, 07:06 PM

Tribute is fine, just when those same people who goto funerals to pay tribute start speculating on who is going to die next - it's tacky.... don't like it? maybe you need to re-think things too.

Your analogy is wrong. It's like going to a funeral of someone that died from drugs, and then bringing up that half the family's members use drugs extensively and you being worried that they could be in danger if they don't stop.

In which case, I don't see anything wrong.

JonInMiddleGA

11-17-2005, 07:35 PM

Hardly, just an attempt to blow your own horn. I said all these people posting speculation is tacky not JonInMiddleGA posting speculation is tacky. One person out of a dozen doesn't make a faulty conclusion.

Umm ... real slow now, so you can follow along ...
I ... Was ... Among ... Those ... Speculating

While it's nice & fine & all if you're suggesting that you intend/intended to exclude me from your criticism, I've see nothing to indicate that the others were doing anything other than what I was doing - namely, pondering who the Keller rumor might concern. Given the circumstances, damned if I see anything inappropriate about that, if anything, it's a chilling indictment of the state of the wrestling business that there are so many f'n candidates that the rumor could fit.

And this is not exactly a new topic, nor is it one that only arises when a wrestler dies at a young age or under whatever circumstances. Since I first landed on the internet, I've seen similar conversations about "who's on the juice" or "who's looking like they're health is shot because of the juice" (or boozing, or drugs that aren't "performance enhancing" or what-have-you). This is nothing new, it's fairly akin to "if OldAssBoxer X doesn't give it up, he's gonna drop dead/get killed in the ring" conversations.

I want to go back to something to, something I just said a paragraph ago:
"... there are so many f'n candidates that the rumor could fit.
As a fan & follower of wrestling for more than 3/4 of my life, that's an extremely disturbing bit of reality.

Unlike the generation of wrestlers that preceded the ones I grew up with, it doesn't seem likely that I'm going to enjoy seeing "mine" be elder statesmen, they aren't going to live that damned long if they don't wake up. There's not going to be opportunities like, say, Jackie Fargo coming out of retirement for a one-off match when he's 60 ... and filling a building in Nashville when he did. Instead of those moments, which for all the realistic absurdity of him being a viable competitor, you can get an entire audience to suspend disbelief long enough to enjoy all the memories of the past ... my era of fans (and the couple of decades that have come along since) are going to get to remember a helluva lot of memorials, tributes, and 10 bell salutes.

Beyond the selfish fandom part of that, a lot of wrestling fans do tend to carry a pretty good emotional attachment to their favorites, the kind of attachment that made us cry when Gordon Solie died, that make us worry about Ric Flair's health, that tickles us when when hear how much some guys are enjoying retirement & reminds us to pray when we hear about one who is in declining health in their older years..

So I don't see it as inappropriate or ghoulish or whatever when something like a discussion of "who's next" happens to take place -- that's the sad reality of the era we're living through, maybe we're just preparing ourselves, trying to innoculate ourselves, for what we see as inevitable.

Joe Canadian

11-17-2005, 08:55 PM

Tribute is fine, just when those same people who goto funerals to pay tribute start speculating on who is going to die next - it's tacky.... don't like it? maybe you need to re-think things too.

Get real... we're expressing concern because there is a fear that there are people like Eddie headed down the same path, it's a ligitmate concern. You say it's tacky, so when does it stop being tacky and allowable for us to express concern for guys that are doing these same things now? 6 Months, maybe a year is long enough... that's all well in good, but if no one talks about this now by the time it isn't tacky anymore there could be another guy dead... maybe more.

I really don't care if you think it's tacky... you can worry about that if you want and be all cool because you're not being tack... but that's the furthest thing from my mind right now.

Deattribution

11-17-2005, 09:39 PM

Joe Canadian

11-17-2005, 09:47 PM

Difference being I *really* don't care whether you agree with me or not, and I'm done with this discussion now.

Super!

Neon_Chaos

11-17-2005, 09:59 PM

The only people who need to get real are the ones who sit back and watch these guys on tv and think they know them...

The concern crap is bull, tell me who is going down the same path?

Noone knows, if they did - the only ones who *could* help them are people who directly know them...

One guy who's trying to sell a newsletter says someone is on 'death watch' and everyone is playing creator.

It was understandable with Eddie, because he openly had issues... so does Scott Hall, and a few others... but Angle, Flair, Benoit? please...

Spare me the be cool and other bullshit when you know as much or less than I do about any of these people.

Difference being I *really* don't care whether you agree with me or not, and I'm done with this discussion now.

I think that there is a certain level of attachment when it comes to wrestlers and their fans, that is different from other celebrities (sports/actors).

Considering that there is a fair level of risk that these guys are putting their bodies through each and every night they're out there to entertain the fans.

It hurt so much more with regards to Eddie, because you knew, whenever you watched him perform, that wether he was being booed or cheered, wether he was a heel or a face, whatever character he was playing, that he was out there having fun. That whenever he was out there, you knew that he was also a fan, and he loved every single minute he was out there performing.

I think wrestling fans are different in that regard. We are as much part of the show as the performers are, because while the wrestlers take the stage and perform, we as fans and viewers are willing participants, that we opt to suspend disbelief for an hour or two, to play along and have fun watching them perform.

Compared to sports, wrestling deaths, specially to those in their prime (Owen Hart, Eddie Guerrero), tug at the heartstrings even more. Even though we do not know these guys personally, we know that at some level we connect with them... that we're "working with them" to make this entire wrestling thing work.

I think that's why wrestling deaths hurt more. Because even if we just sit down in front of a TV and watch these guys perform, we're very much a big part of the entire make-believe universe that they're presenting us. That wrestlers and wrestling fans have a much deeper and significant relationship than other celebrities have with their own fans.

These guys take risks for the sake of entertaining us, and we feel that there SHOULD be some level of concern there, because we know that these guys are doing what they're doing because they want to stay in the business and perform for the fans.

Senator

11-17-2005, 10:13 PM

/40

Just read an article in Texas Monthly about the last Von Erich. I am starting to think golf is the way to go.

Hurst2112

11-17-2005, 11:59 PM

i haven't read the whole thread so i am sorry if somebody else posted this bit (though i don't think anybody else knows this)

eddie died at the same hotel where steve clark (guitar player for def leppard) died at. steve actually died in the gutter, in front of the hotel.

Chubby

11-18-2005, 10:49 AM

molson

11-18-2005, 11:37 AM

Looks like some pretty bad timing by Eugene:

WWE.com

Nick 'Eugene' Dinsmore was rushed to the hospital last night in Manchester.

He has since been released from the hospital, sent home and suspended indefinitely. WWE.com will have more details as they become available.

Pwinsider.com

We don't have much in the way of details where the Eugene situation is concerned but I have been told by one source on the European tour that "when a guy is taken to the hospital then sent home and suspended, the reason is very most probably exactly what you would think it is." I won't say any more than that at this time, but I think the message there is pretty clear.

JonInMiddleGA

11-18-2005, 11:43 AM

Nick 'Eugene' Dinsmore was rushed to the hospital last night in Manchester. He has since been released from the hospital, sent home and suspended indefinitely.

{shakes head in disbelief}

{Stops shaking head because it's all too believable}

Joe Canadian

11-18-2005, 12:37 PM

Looks like some pretty bad timing by Eugene:

WWE.com

Nick 'Eugene' Dinsmore was rushed to the hospital last night in Manchester.

He has since been released from the hospital, sent home and suspended indefinitely. WWE.com will have more details as they become available.

Hopefully whatever the reason they, WWE, are doing more about this situation then their comments lead us to believe. If it's another case of... you did drugs, leave untill you're sober... then I guess they'll never learn.

DeToxRox

11-18-2005, 12:40 PM

WWE.com released the following statement this morning.

Nick 'Eugene' Dinsmore was rushed to the hospital last night in Manchester.

He has since been released from the hospital, sent home and suspended indefinitely. WWE.com will have more details as they become available.

jbmagic

11-18-2005, 12:41 PM

DeToxRox

11-18-2005, 12:43 PM

someone already said it above :)

http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~fof/forums/showpost.php?p=962513&postcount=106

Ha touche. I didn't even glance so my apologies.

TLK

11-21-2005, 07:34 PM

I'm sure some caught this today, but for those that didn't....

Vince McMahon announced to all the talent this afternoon in Sheffield, England, a new drug policy, which would include performance enhancing drugs, recreational drugs as well as abuse of prescription drugs.

In addition, the company is going to mandate more comprehensive cardiovascular examinations for its athletes. All performers under full-time contract will be subject to frequent, unannounced and random testing.

Unlike with the McMahon drug policy instituted between 1992-96, there will be a completely independent, and presumably autonomous figure in control of handling the testing, punishments and potential rehabilitation. The figure will report first to the talent to advise them of any positive results or alarming signs, and then report his findings to Vince McMahon afterwards. In the original policy, the doctor who headed the policy would report first to McMahon and generally, J.J. Dillon, and they would decide what action to take.

There are two other major differences between the old policy, dropped in 1996 for a number of reasons, basically financial (the policy cost $1 million plus annually and the company was running deeply in the red at the time) and because the WWF was involved in a promotional war with a company that wasn't nearly as strict on the steroid issue, and the fact is, bodies sell and it made a difference in the wrestling war at the time.

One is the emphasis on extensive cardiovascular examinations because of the deaths of so many relatively young wrestlers due to heart ailments, presumably brought on by use of both recreational drugs and abuse of performance enhancing drugs such as steroids That was a given due to the circumstances surrounding the heart damage Guerrero had, likely from years of abuse.

The other is more careful monitoring of prescription drugs, in particular pain killers. One of the flaws of the old testing was that wrestlers, who knew doctors in many cities, would get multiple prescriptions for the same ailment from doctors who liked being around the stars. Since the wrestlers had prescriptions for those drugs, when they showed up in their system, they were allowed to continue. While not made clear, it is believed this policy would monitor levels of pain killers, whether prescribed or not, and those with high levels would be addressed and likely taken off the road and put into rehab if necessary.

Shortly after the death of Brian Pillman, the WWF banned certain well-known doctors from its dressing rooms and told talent to stay away from them. There were two reasons for this, the obvious one of being concerned and reacting to Pillman's death, but the other reason that they had already been through a Zahorian trial and a McMahon trial. Indeed, one of the doctors in question at the time was feared to be "hot" (in that the feds were onto him) and his being linked with a substantial number of wrestlers if there was an arrest would have been disastrous. Even so, some major talent ignored the warnings and continued to see the doctors in question for their prescriptions. In the case of one of those doctors talent was warned to stay away from, Dr. Joel Hackett of Indianapolis, many wrestlers he was closely associated with in the 90s, are dead today. At least two, and likely more, of those who passed away, ignored the company directive and continued to see him.

It goes without saying, this was brought on by the death of Eddie Guerrero. We can be critical that prior warning signals were ignored, and probably should be. It would have been far worse for issues of this magnitude, particularly after a second scare this week involving Nick Dinsmore, who passed out after taking too many somas in the lobby of a hotel in Manchester, England, be ignored.

As far as discussions of what would come out of the death of Guerrero, it is believed they started as early as the day after, and the Dinsmore situation may not have even played a part.

No details were announced to talent because all the procedures will not be written up or finalized for several weeks. McMahon in a very short speech, that lasted less than five minutes, seemed to hint at suspensions for violations of non-prescription drugs, and rehab for abuse levels of prescription drugs.

One would suspect, and while this hasn't been said, that wrestlers will have fair opportunity to rid themselves of current issues, most notably steroids, some of which can stay in the system for lengthy periods of time. Using 1991 as an example, McMahon made a similar announcement to talent in July, after a damaging steroid trial. In November, months after everyone was told to get off steroids, 50% of the wrestlers in the company (and that percentage included both male and female talent) tested positive on the first test. The company policy became that those wrestlers had to show decreasing levels of steroids in future tests or be suspended. That policy was criticized at the time by some leading steroid doctors who stated to us that levels of steroids when it comes to being in tests fluctuate up and down, and levels themselves could increase even upon cessation of usage, but still, there were not a lot of policy violations, although numerous big stars, both in terms of bulk and stature in the industry, quit that year. The key point to look at was in late 1992, when business was falling badly, and depth of talent was not there as in years past, when Vince McMahon believed Davey Boy Smith and Jim Hellwig were using Growth Hormone to get around the company's policy, he fired both of them. Vince McMahon himself was also under fire at the time, with a governmental investigation going on, so had tremendous pressure to keep the wrestlers clean.

Nevertheless, no matter how it may be phrased, steroids, as an example, were tacitly approved of by the company, and while never verbally said so, in reality, encouraged based on decisions on who to push at what levels, combined with no testing or penalties involved with use. They were until recently in baseball as well. And there is no sport that has gotten the handle on controlling performance enhancing drugs. The top wrestlers, like top athletes in other sports, can find access to doctors who can teach them to beat the tests, and there is still Growth Hormone, that can't be tested for, and is known to enlarge hearts.

The only true cure is this. Promoters can't push people based on physique, and judge talent for jobs based on physique. The public can't be impressed by talent with better physiques in thinking that helps make them bigger stars. The talent itself has to no longer care how their physique looks. All three are impossible in the business as we know it. There is no true cure, only an attempt to do the best possible on all accounts. The fact there is no cure does not mean steps shouldn't be taken to help, and this appears to be a giant step, as compared to two weeks ago.

The reality is if there is a test in three weeks based on the standards that would be the goal, many would likely fail. McMahon stated they would be fair. However, it is also imperative McMahon discuss openly what that policy would be, such as how long wrestlers had to get steroids, just as an example, out of their system. It's a killer, because it would only admit to issues, but if there is testing one month from today, even if everyone involved goes cold turkey today, many would still fail. Half the performers failed four months after a similar meeting. If McMahon doesn't publicly explain, and take whatever early heat there would be, and if the public is told there are no failures, the credibility would have to be questioned. The point here is, it would be easy to just say suspend everyone who tests positive. There may not be enough guys to fill a roster, let alone two, not to mention the p.r. nightmare if major names suddenly disappear. They could wait six months and hope people clean out, and if that's the case, they also need to be open about this. During the 90s, there were wrestlers who tested positive that were allowed to stay on the road, but they were working without pay, under the guise they would both protect their reputations and also not interrupt existing storylines. If that's the case, the company also has to be open about this ahead of time. I don't care about pointing fingers and holding up examples of suspended guys to prove they are serious. But I do believe all aspects of the policy have to be open and honest, and not misleading.

If word spreads that things happen, such as a wrestler who failed a steroid test and then worked a European tour for several weeks because he was booked in main events and the depth was down at the time, in 2005, this will backfire. Also, talent will know if the policy is adhered to unfairly, and it's a very different world at this time, because if talent knows, we will all know soon enough, and all credibility will be lost. I believe that is a major reason why McMahon is going to have someone autonomous in control of the policy.

But the most important thing is to remember what the goal is. The goal for everyone is the health of the performers and hopefully never having to go through another week like we did, and far more importantly, that no more families will have to go through a lifetime of which they have been unfairly sentenced.

It is natural to be skeptical of this, and if McMahon is serious, we will see major physical changes in much of the talent, both men and women. It's going to be a tough pill for a lot of people, wrestlers, fans and management, to swallow. We will have to accept the standards of real bodies, as opposed to bodies by science, and perhaps of a standard of physical punishment in matches diminished to a degree based on not using artificial means of recovery.

If the changes are not significant, people are not stupid and will know this is a fraud. This is not just physiques, but the entire nature of the business and lifestyles of many of the performers, if this is an honest policy, will have to change.

This is, after all, pro wrestling, which hardly has a sterling track record for honesty. I also was in the same place Vince McMahon was this past week, and please don't think for a minute that he doesn't care. You couldn't be human without this making a huge impression and wanting to do everything in your power to keep this from happening again.

But even from a cold business perspective, the circumstances of why this happened and very different from any other period. We not only had the death of a popular performer, but judging from feedback, the fan base, and the media, are a whole lot more savvy on this subject than they were in 1991 or 1996. It is horrible it took what it did for these problems to be addressed. We've all heard many times that the only consolation is that Eddie is in a better place. Maybe a second consolation is that Eddie's most important legacy in this business is that it took his death to save the lives of others. We can't turn back the clock. We can only look to the future.

Dave Meltzer - WrestlingObserver.com

kingfc22

11-21-2005, 08:44 PM

Who is Nick Dinsmore?

SirFozzie

11-21-2005, 08:47 PM

Eugene

JonInMiddleGA

11-21-2005, 08:49 PM

Who is Nick Dinsmore?

http://www.wwe.com/superstars/raw/eugene/
http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/profiles/n/nick-dinsmore.html

hukarez

11-22-2005, 11:24 AM

For a short while, wasn't he playing the role of 'Doink the Clown' too?

JonInMiddleGA

11-22-2005, 11:37 AM

For a short while, wasn't he playing the role of 'Doink the Clown' too?

Briefly, yes. He also worked a few matches as one of the Conquistadors.

Bearcat729

11-28-2005, 08:52 PM

SackAttack

11-28-2005, 09:48 PM

I was just watching Raw and they were showing a promo for the Smackdown show that is in Cincinnati tomorrow.

The main event that was advertised for tomorrow was a tag team match with Batista Vs Eddie Guerrero. You think they would have remembered to pull that ad before tonight.

Is Smackdown live, though? If so, then yeah, that's an oops.

If they filmed it and it's already in the can, I don't see the problem.

Jesse_Ewiak

11-28-2005, 10:32 PM

I was just watching Raw and they were showing a promo for the Smackdown show that is in Cincinnati tomorrow.

The main event that was advertised for tomorrow was a tag team match with Batista Vs Eddie Guerrero. You think they would have remembered to pull that ad before tonight.

Likely an ad run by the local cable company given to them weeks before by the WWE.

duckman

12-08-2005, 03:16 PM

The Hennepin County Medical Examiner announced today that Eddie Guerrero died "of natural causes related to arteriosclerotic heart disease, which is another term for coronary heart disease, or a narrowing of the blood vessels that supply blood and oxygen to the heart."

Check out the AP's full article on this story here (http://www.grandforks.com/mld/grandforks/news/13360919.htm).