U-M / OSU

[Schmidty]

Fakest, most contrived "rivalry" in college football.

You people hate each other because you think you should. Yeah, yeah, history. Blah, blah, blah. It's not truly visceral.

Stop pretending.

[MrBug708]

Auburn/Alabama is probably the best with UCLA/USC right behind.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Fakest, most contrived "rivalry" in college football.

You people hate each other because you think you should. Yeah, yeah, history. Blah, blah, blah. It's not truly visceral.

Stop pretending.
Lay off the booze, Sparty.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Auburn/Alabama is probably the best with UCLA/USC right behind.
UofM/OSU is #1. All the rest are #2 or lower. This is not up for debate. Auburn/Alabama? Don't be ridiculous...

[JonInMiddleGA]

Fakest, most contrived "rivalry" in college football.

Do they still play each other?

[CleBrownsfan]

Over the last 50 years, the teams are deadlocked at 24-24-2. Awesome rivalry!

[Honolulu_Blue]

Fakest, most contrived "rivalry" in college football.

You people hate each other because you think you should. Yeah, yeah, history. Blah, blah, blah. It's not truly visceral.

Stop pretending.
You stay at the Kid's Table. You take care of your business and beat Penn State. If you do, maybe you'll get some desert. Maybe.

[Butter]

I'm jealous because my team consistently sucks and yours don't.

I wish we had half the coaches/players/traditions that you do.

Instead, I'll be jumping up and down with the rest of the idiots in the Izzone in a couple of weeks.

How true.

[Honolulu_Blue]

I'm jealous because my team consistently sucks and yours don't.

I wish we had half the coaches/players/traditions that you do.

Instead, I'll be jumping up and down with the rest of the idiots in the Izzone in a couple of weeks.
Classic!!

[Butter]

And to make a serious point here, I believe OSU-Michigan is one of the greatest rivalries in college football, but all rivalries tend to be regional. I don't expect people in the South or in the West to believe that it is, just like I don't really give a flip about Auburn-Alabama or UCLA-USC. I would have to say, though, that OSU-Michigan over the years has tended to be a matchup of 2 good teams on a consistent basis, whereas the other major rivalries have tended to have one good team vs. one mediocre-bad team more often than OSU-UM has.

[Passacaglia]

Eh, let the Sparties analyze rivalries, while the rest of us cheer for our teams to actually win the Big Ten.

I mean, I dunno. I don't revel in my hatred of Ohio State. I don't hate people who go to Ohio State (unless they're particularly annoying about it) or anything. I'd rather Michigan win some more titles than to preserve the UM-OSU rivalry. Honestly, I'd prefer it if the big game were against MSU, but the Sparties' mediocrity just doesn't allow for that. I mean, when you think about it, the other rivalries make geographic sense -- USC and UCLA play in the same city, Auburn/Bama play in the same state. What does UM-OSU have? The Michigan-Ohio war that no one remembers? It's just because the two teams have dominated the conference over the years.

[Solecismic]

If you ask someone who grew up in one of these areas about football, the rivalry transcends anything else in sports.

When I was a kid, The Game was like a holiday. Teachers talked about it all week, we decorated the classrooms. It was as if something was in the air. Usually, it was the last good week of weather for fall sports before the cold set in.

A successful season is one in which Michigan beats Ohio State. A failed season is one in which Ohio State beats Michigan. Good coaches have been fired for no other reason than their record in The Game.

Of the 20 times I've seen Michigan win this game, they've won the Big Ten in 14 of those years. National polls consistently rate this the biggest rivalry in sports.

I'm not surprised someone from East Cowpatty doesn't understand it. Sparty Field is protected by the campus, hard to get to in the maze of the athletic complex. Michigan Stadium just looms over the area - it's at the corner of Main Street and Stadium Boulevard, the biggest football-only stadium in the world. Just a giant bowl with bench seating and no tiers - a good walk from campus.

[Butter]

Good coaches have been fired for no other reason than their record in The Game.

Speaking of, I wonder why Coop never took another coaching job... I heard he wanted Kansas' when it opened up, but since then no one's even talked about him any more. Some days I curl into the fetal position remembering how great of a decade the 90's could've been for OSU football if only not for the damned maize and blue.

[albionmoonlight]

Duke-UNC if we are talking about the biggest rivalry in college sports.

I'm not sure about the biggest rivalry in college football. Army-Navy is one that people have not mentioned that should probably be in the discussion.

[Johnny93g]

im curious as to where ND/USC would rank in the discussion....ive been under the impression that Michigan and Ohio state is huge though

[Honolulu_Blue]

Duke-UNC if we are talking about the biggest rivalry in college sports.

I'm not sure about the biggest rivalry in college football. Army-Navy is one that people have not mentioned that should probably be in the discussion.
College basketball is laaaaaame....

Army-Navy is a classic rivalry. Very old school and steeped in tradition, unfortunately neither program has been relevant on the college football scene, from a competitive aspect, for years.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Duke-UNC if we are talking about the biggest rivalry in college sports.
Dola.

Another reason why I don't think Duke-UNC matches up (other than the beforementioned "laaaameness" of college basketball) is that, as good as the games may be and as good as rivalry may be, Duke-UNC games are rarely all that important.

First, I would argue, that outside of the NCAA Tournament, college basketball is not nearly as popular and considered as "important" as college footbal.

Second, because of the Tourney (which I do love), "regular season" college basketball games do not have the same meaning as regular season college football games. As Jim noted, "[o]f the 20 times I've seen Michigan win this game, they've won the Big Ten in 14 of those years." Those games decided who won the Big Ten, who went to the Rose Bowl, and, at times, who would play for the National Championship. Duke-UNC games (unless the off chance they meet in the tourney) don't have that kind of meaning or gravitas. They may mean the difference between a #1 or #2 seed, but that's not all that meaningful. The Tournament, for all of its glory, does reduce the significance of regular season games and, in turn, the rivalries played there.

[digamma]

I hate Ohio State because I've been to Columbus for a game as a visiting fan. I have no connection to the University of Michigan.

GO BLUE!!!

[Huckleberry]

You see, this is why internet message boards exist. For arguments that nobody will win or lose because nobody will ever change their mind.

For the record, Texas/OU is the biggest and nastiest rivalry in the land. ;)

[Honolulu_Blue]

You see, this is why internet message boards exist. For arguments that nobody will win or lose because nobody will ever change their mind.

For the record, Texas/OU is the biggest and nastiest rivalry in the land. ;)
I wouldn't say that. I am more than willing to change my mind if I was wrong about something. Thing is. I'm never wrong. Ever. It's amazing. :D

[primelord]

I wouldn't say that. I am more than willing to change my mind if I was wrong about something. Thing is. I'm never wrong. Ever. It's amazing. :D
Well, other than your poor taste in hockey teams. It's going to sting when the worst team in hockey thrashes the Dead Things on Saturday night. http://dynamic.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Honolulu_Blue]

Well, other than your poor taste in hockey teams. It's going to sting when the worst team in hockey thrashes the Dead Things on Saturday night. http://dynamic.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif
The Wings have just lost three games in a row. They are reeling a bit and have played like poop. I couldn't think of a better way to snap out of their funk than getting back to doing what they do best: beating the pants off the bottom feeders or the leauge aka Their Central Division Rivals. 24 games between Chicago, St. Louis, and Columbus... Good times.

How's Tkachuk? Eric Brewer? Lalime was a huge upgrade over Ozzie, no? :D

[scooper]

im curious as to where ND/USC would rank in the discussion....ive been under the impression that Michigan and Ohio state is huge though
It's bigger than USC-UCLA, that's for sure.

[Toddzilla]

Don't dismiss UVA-VT my peeps. Most underrated rivalry IMO.

[digamma]

From Pete Fiutak this week at collegefootballnews (his top ten reasons why rivalry week is fantastic):


8. No one else really cares.
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7. … no one ever wins in arguments of which rivalry is best.
Just do a “we got spirit yes we do we got spirit how about you” cheer and move on.

[Pumpy Tudors]

When I saw the title of this thread, I originally thought Missouri/Oklahoma State, and then I read Schmidty's actual post, and I thought that's what he was talking about. Seriously, I went to a school with no football team, I come from a city that has never had a real college football rivalry (when Tulane and LSU played, the Wave was never competitive), and the closest thing to big-time college football that I have now is Penn State about 3 hours away from me. Even with all of that, I know that Michigan-Ohio State is a huge rivalry.

So I guess my question is... are Missouri and Oklahoma State playing each other this week or what?

[Schmidty]

College basketball is laaaaaame....

You only say that because your team is so awful. If/when they get back up to having a good program, you'll be jumping on the bandwagon in pure U-M fan fashion.

[Pumpy Tudors]

You only say that because your team is so awful. If/when they get back up to having a good program, you'll be jumping on the bandwagon in pure U-M fan fashion.http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/424/subparslam7qt.jpg

[Schmidty]

By the way, I'm not saying that U-M / OSU isn't a rivalry, I'm just saying there doesn't seem to be true hate there. I've seen Buckeye fans and Wolverine fans interact on quite a few occasions, and it's always like "We're gonna get you guys, old chap!!", "Oh no you won't, sport!!!" And then they laugh together and shit.

Sure coaches get fired because of this game, but I think's it's more of an expected thing; sort of like bored movie stars getting rid of the help because they weren't polishing the silver correctly.

I picture this rivalry like two fat, cheese-eating rich guys making an inconsequential bet before the game because of some dusty "tradition". It's like the bet between Randolph and Mortimer in "Trading Places".

[Honolulu_Blue]

You only say that because your team is so awful. If/when they get back up to having a good program, you'll be jumping on the bandwagon in pure U-M fan fashion.
I slept through UofM's 1989 win over Seton Hall. I never paid much attention during the Fab Five era either. I just not the big of a college basketball fan. Never have been. Never will be. I'm even a lukewarm NBA fan. I'm not even that big of a college hockey fan, despite my love of the game.

When it comes down to it, the only college sport I really care about, and have ever cared about, is football.

So... Wrong again, Sparty.

Thanks for playing though. You can pick your consolation prize (a copy of the University of Michigan Monopoly boardgame) on your way out.

Yes, Pumpy. Subpar indeed. Schmidty is in his death throes (though not in the Dick Chaney/Donald Rumsfeld meaning of the word).

[Butter]

I've seen Buckeye fans and Wolverine fans interact on quite a few occasions, and it's always like "We're gonna get you guys, old chap!!", "Oh no you won't, sport!!!" And then they laugh together and shit.

I think you're thinking of Harvard/Yale.

I respect most of the UM fans on this board, and I think Honolulu_Blue and I get along on quite a number of topics. But I hope they lose and I hope he feels the pangs of disappointment about that loss for many weeks to come.

Whenever I see some guy here in a truck or a car that has a little UM bumper sticker or a "Go Blue" license plate holder, I kinda have to fight the urge to run them off the road a little bit.

That's a rivalry.

[Schmidty]

I think you're thinking of Harvard/Yale.

I respect most of the UM fans on this board, and I think Honolulu_Blue and I get along on quite a number of topics. But I hope they lose and I hope he feels the pangs of disappointment about that loss for many weeks to come.

Whenever I see some guy here in a truck or a car that has a little UM bumper sticker or a "Go Blue" license plate holder, I kinda have to fight the urge to run them off the road a little bit.

That's a rivalry.

I think you're the exception to the rule then.

My hatred for U-M outweighs my slight dislike for OSU. I'll definitely be rooting for the Buckeyes.

[DeToxRox]

By the way, I'm not saying that U-M / OSU isn't a rivalry, I'm just saying there doesn't seem to be true hate there. I've seen Buckeye fans and Wolverine fans interact on quite a few occasions, and it's always like "We're gonna get you guys, old chap!!", "Oh no you won't, sport!!!" And then they laugh together and shit.

Are you serious?

I've been to this game in Ann Arbor and in Columbus and the resentment is astounding. I had beer thrown on me, I was called "Asshole, faggot, queer" etc. It was awesome. It sucked getting drenched in 40 degree weather but no harm was done physically and it was an amazing atmosphere.

That said I've seen it an Ann Arbor, not that to degree, but it's there.

To say there is no hatred is ridiculous.

[Honolulu_Blue]

I think you're the exception to the rule then.

My hatred for U-M outweighs my slight dislike for OSU. I'll definitely be rooting for the Buckeyes.
No. I like the Butterman. He's a good guy and we do agree on many, many things. As we agree that I hope the Buckeyes lose and I hope Butter and the rest of 'em feel the pangs of disappointment about that loss for many weeks to come. If not years...

My blood has boiled while listening to Buckeye talk on the radio (I have family in Cleveland) and whenever I see the flag flying or someone wearing an OSU sweatshirt, t-shirt, or hat, I have to control myself not to make some rude comment or give them the old shoulder bump.

I was at the UofM/OSU game in 1997 when Michigan won and went on to an undefeated season. It was glorious. I was full of rage and enjoyed nothing more than beating them.

At the end of the day, however, it's just a game. We are not all entirely consumed in our hatred like you, Schmidts.

Why don't you just worry about Penn State and let us worry about the Fuckeyes, ok?

[Leonidas]

OK,first off, this is an intra-state rivalry. Interstate rivalries are easy. Of course Auburn hates Bama, Florida hates FSU, and UCLA hates USC. They are supposed to hate each other.

But the really great rivalries are when teams represent whole states (or services in the case of Army-Navy) against each other. I mean, c'mon. With Bama-Auburn its which select group of mobile home dwellers against another. With SC-UCLA it's one group of don't give a shit, Hollywood SOBs against another. But with OSU-UM, it's two of the 10 largest states in the union going head-to-head.

And then the fact that 99% of the time at least some portion of the Big 10 title is up for grabs based on this game. And the fact that Michigan relies so heavily on recruits from Ohio that it really spices things up. It really drives OSU fans nuts to see all those turncoats in maize and blue.

And then the history. How can you top the year when after scoring a TD to go up 48-14, Woodies Hayes goes for 2 instead of one to make the final 50-14, and after the game when asked why he went for two, Coach Hayes solemnly replies, "Because I couldn't go for three." That, my friends, is true rival hatred.

And BTW, I am quite proud to have this wind up as my 1600th post.

[Schmidty]

Why don't you just worry about Penn State and let us worry about the Fuckeyes, ok?

Because I've always liked Penn State and JoePa. Our "rivalry" game isn't even a rivalry in my opinion, and I think Lions fans and Spartans would both agree with that.

[Schmidty]

OK,first off, this is an intra-state rivalry. Interstate rivalries are easy. Of course Auburn hates Bama, Florida hates FSU, and UCLA hates USC. They are supposed to hate each other.

But the really great rivalries are when teams represent whole states (or services in the case of Army-Navy) against each other. I mean, c'mon. With Bama-Auburn its which select group of mobile home dwellers against another. With SC-UCLA it's one group of don't give a shit, Hollywood SOBs against another. But with OSU-UM, it's two of the 10 largest states in the union going head-to-head.

And then the fact that 99% of the time at least some portion of the Big 10 title is up for grabs based on this game. And the fact that Michigan relies so heavily on recruits from Ohio that it really spices things up. It really drives OSU fans nuts to see all those turncoats in maize and blue.

And then the history. How can you top the year when after scoring a TD to go up 48-14, Woodies Hayes goes for 2 instead of one to make the final 50-14, and after the game when asked why he went for two, Coach Hayes solemnly replies, "Because I couldn't go for three." That, my friends, is true rival hatred.

And BTW, I am quite proud to have this wind up as my 1600th post.

You should be. That was a great post.

I still don't think you guys hate each other enough, though. Come to the dark side....feel the hate....let it consume you!!!!

[Honolulu_Blue]

Because I've always liked Penn State and JoePa. Our "rivalry" game isn't even a rivalry in my opinion, and I think Lions fans and Spartans would both agree with that.
I agree. I don't see MSU/Penn State as being that big a rivalry at all.

[Huckleberry]

Are you serious?

I've been to this game in Ann Arbor and in Columbus and the resentment is astounding. I had beer thrown on me, I was called "Asshole, faggot, queer" etc. It was awesome. It sucked getting drenched in 40 degree weather but no harm was done physically and it was an amazing atmosphere.

That said I've seen it an Ann Arbor, not that to degree, but it's there.

To say there is no hatred is ridiculous.
Sorry to break it to you, but that's apparently how the Buckeye crowd treats every opponent. Based on the Longhorn experience in Columbus.

[scooper]

Sorry to break it to you, but that's apparently how the Buckeye crowd treats every opponent. Based on the Longhorn experience in Columbus.
I agree. They are the worst asshole fans in sports. I used to pull for anOSU as a secondary team, living in Ohio and all. But after the ND game there at which I was spit on, treated to some religious bigotry and had my girlfriend(now wife) treated to some not-so-subtle sexual verbal barrages, I have very little respect for anOSU fans as a whole. I have also been to a couple games in Columbus as a neutral fan and witnessed similar behavior shown toward Wisconsin and Penn St. fans.

There are some great anOSU fans. A couple of my best friends are alumni and they are good guys. But when you get a few hundred thousand of them together in Columbus on Saturdays, they are the biggest group of ignorant, classless drunks in college football.

[Honolulu_Blue]

I agree. They are the worst asshole fans in sports. I used to pull for anOSU as a secondary team, living in Ohio and all. But after the ND game there at which I was spit on, treated to some religious bigotry and had my girlfriend(now wife) treated to some not-so-subtle sexual verbal barrages, I have very little respect for anOSU fans as a whole. I have also been to a couple games in Columbus as a neutral fan and witnessed similar behavior shown toward Wisconsin and Penn St. fans.

There are some great anOSU fans. A couple of my best friends are alumni and they are good guys. But when you get a few hundred thousand of them together in Columbus on Saturdays, they are the biggest group of ignorant, classless drunks in college football.
So... uh... M Go Blue?

[scooper]

Dola.

But to answer this thread. anOSU-Michigan IS a rivalry. A fierce one. There is hate. Plenty of it.

[Ksyrup]

OK,first off, this is an intra-state rivalry. Interstate rivalries are easy. Of course Auburn hates Bama, Florida hates FSU, and UCLA hates USC. They are supposed to hate each other.

But the really great rivalries are when teams represent whole states (or services in the case of Army-Navy) against each other.
This is spot-on. I was born in Michigan and moved when I was 10, and I still, to this day, denigrate Ohio every chance I get, regardless of whether it has anything to do with football. The state itself sucks. Beating its best football team is just pouring acid on an already gaping mortal wound.

[scooper]

So... uh... M Go Blue?
No. I'd like to see anOSU-Notre Dame Fiesta Bowl. If only for the fun of smack talk between my friends. Or to see my wife's relationship with her co-workers go into full meltdown. It would be fun.

Besides, Michigan took Notre Dame's all time winning percentage last year. We want it back.

[Pumpy Tudors]

What does anOSU mean?

[Pumpy Tudors]

Dola

I think I figured it out.

[VPI97]

Don't dismiss UVA-VT my peeps. Most underrated rivalry IMO.
Fuck UVA

[scooper]

What does anOSU mean?
anOSU fans are really anal about referring to Ohio St. as THE Ohio State University. Their past players stress the "the" in MNF intros.

It's as if somebody will mistake them for Ohio University or something.

The fact is, Ohio, Cincinnati, Bowling Green, Miami, Toledo, Akron and Kent are all Ohio state universities. So they are in fact AN Ohio state university.

[Greyroofoo]

Go Michigan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That is all

[Pumpy Tudors]

anOSU fans are really anal about referring to Ohio St. as THE Ohio State University. Their past players stress the "the" in MNF intros.

It's as if somebody will mistake them for Ohio University or something.

The fact is, Ohio, Cincinnati, Bowling Green, Miami, Toledo, Akron and Kent are all Ohio state universities. So they are in fact AN Ohio state university.
Yep. Figured it out mere seconds after I posted my question. :)

[HerRealName]

anOSU fans are really anal about referring to Ohio St. as THE Ohio State University. Their past players stress the "the" in MNF intros.

It's as if somebody will mistake them for Ohio University or something.

The fact is, Ohio, Cincinnati, Bowling Green, Miami, Toledo, Akron and Kent are all Ohio state universities. So they are in fact AN Ohio state university.

For the record, The Ohio State University has been the official name since 1878.

Would a match-up of Ohio State and Notre Dame be the match-up of the two most hated teams of all time?

[scooper]

Would a match-up of Ohio State and Notre Dame be the match-up of the two most hated teams of all time?
Yes, and I'm sure I also speak for anOSU fans when I say we're damned proud to be so.

[HerRealName]

Yes, and I'm sure I also speak for anOSU fans when I say we're damned proud to be so.

:)

This picture seems appropriate:

http://img506.imageshack.us/img506/6260/image0032cu.th.jpg (http://img506.imageshack.us/my.php?image=image0032cu.jpg)

[Karlifornia]

This is just because both states feel they have the coooooolest city ever: Cleveland rulz!!! No! Detroit Rulz, d00d!! We've got Lake E. Coli---I mean Lake Erie! Well, WE'VE got the set of the movie 8 MILE!!!

[Dr. Sak]

Schmidty,

UM and tOSU fans are just upset that they are the JV game this year because the title will really be decided 3 hours later and 70 miles east of Ann Arbor. ;-)

Just kidding guys. It is a great rivalry in my opinion and not because of the hatred the two teams have, it is because they both play top notch football and the games are always exciting. I normally pull for tOSU but I want Penn State to win the Big Ten title outright so I think I am going to have to pull for Michigan tomorrow. Only 12 hours till I leave for East Lansing!! Go Lions!

[Mr. Wednesday]

OK,first off, this is an intra-state rivalry. Interstate rivalries are easy. Of course Auburn hates Bama, Florida hates FSU, and UCLA hates USC. They are supposed to hate each other.I think you've got your intras and inters mixed up -- intrastates are within a state, interstates are between states. UM-OSU is interstate, Auburn-'Bama is intrastate.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Schmidty,

UM and tOSU fans are just upset that they are the JV game this year because the title will really be decided 3 hours later and 70 miles east of Ann Arbor. ;-)

Just kidding guys. It is a great rivalry in my opinion and not because of the hatred the two teams have, it is because they both play top notch football and the games are always exciting. I normally pull for tOSU but I want Penn State to win the Big Ten title outright so I think I am going to have to pull for Michigan tomorrow. Only 12 hours till I leave for East Lansing!! Go Lions!
Thanks for that reluctant endorsement.

Have a safe trip to East Lansing and may your Lions lose and lose royally to the might Spartans! DrewStantonForHeisman!

[miami_fan]

Have you folks not heard that hatred is no longer a good thing in a rivalry? Please follow South Carolina-Clemson example and shake hands prior to the game. Thanks ;)

[panerd]

When I saw the title of this thread, I originally thought Missouri/Oklahoma State, and then I read Schmidty's actual post, and I thought that's what he was talking about. Seriously, I went to a school with no football team, I come from a city that has never had a real college football rivalry (when Tulane and LSU played, the Wave was never competitive), and the closest thing to big-time college football that I have now is Penn State about 3 hours away from me. Even with all of that, I know that Michigan-Ohio State is a huge rivalry.

So I guess my question is... are Missouri and Oklahoma State playing each other this week or what?

Nah, with a Mizzou win this weekend, an Iowa State win, a Colorado loss next weekend, and a win over Texas... Mizzou will actually be in a BCS bowl. Don't think Michigan has any chance of that. :) Of course, because since the Big 8 whored themselves out to the big 12, we in Missouri receive an absurd big 12 TV package every week with the Texas schools playing each other and an occasional Iowa State or Colorado appearance. On the other hand every fucking Illinois, Northwestern, and Wisconsin game ends up on my TV at some point on Saturday. (Before being promptly shut off)

So Fuck both Ohio State and Michigan, go Tigers!

(And no I don't believe in jinxing at all, so I am not scared about this post coming back to haunt me. Like Brad Smith will play different tomorrow because of my jinxing him on Front Office Football Central.)

[Mr. Wednesday]

Are you saying Michigan is incapable of earning a BCS berth (incorrect) or that they will not earn a BCS berth (defensible)?

[Honolulu_Blue]

Nah, with a Mizzou win this weekend, an Iowa State win, a Colorado loss next weekend, and a win over Texas... Mizzou will actually be in a BCS bowl. Don't think Michigan has any chance of that. :)
Your logic does not resemble our earth logic.

[Dr. Sak]

Michigan will earn a BCS bid with a win and a Penn State loss.

[panerd]

Are you saying Michigan is incapable of earning a BCS berth (incorrect) or that they will not earn a BCS berth (defensible)?

Saying I think they will lose to Ohio State. Guess it would have better been worded that while Mizzou may still be alive for a BCS bowl after this weekend one of the two teams (even though 1000 times better and more deserving) will not. More of a jibe about being in a conference that is so good that being in the top 5-15 is a bad thing that will keep you out of a BCS bowl. While Mizzou could make a BCS after losing to New Mexico, Texas, Colorado, and an awful Kansas team. BCS logic for ya! I almost wish it would happen, for obvious fan reasons, and also because I am pretty sure it would end the BCS system. Mizzou has to be far and away the worst team remaining that still has mathematical BCS chances.

[panerd]

Your logic does not resemble our earth logic.

LMAO. I know it's outragous, just wanted to add something to a thread that doesn't have enough Big 12 in it.

[RendeR]

Spartans Come alive and destroy the Nittany Kittens BCS dreams while the Crimson and grey pimp slap Michigan down into the lower levels of hell that is the backside of the Big-Ten Conference.

Now that I've utterly ruined any chance of that happening, as long as THE Ohio State University Buckeyes defeat the Universally Malignant Whinerines, then all is right with the world.

It has been said before, TOSU could be winless coming into this game and with a win, conclude a perfectly successful season.

Michigan SUCKS.

[Honolulu_Blue]

LMAO. I know it's outragous, just wanted to add something to a thread that doesn't have enough Big 12 in it. I respect one's urge to add more "Big 12"/[Insert other favorite conference here] into a thread. Even if one has to say someting crazy to do so. http://dynamic.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Honolulu_Blue]

Mizzou has to be far and away the worst team remaining that still has mathematical BCS chances.
I see you have begun to understand our earth logic...

[Passacaglia]

Saying I think they will lose to Ohio State. Guess it would have better been worded that while Mizzou may still be alive for a BCS bowl after this weekend one of the two teams (even though 1000 times better and more deserving) will not. More of a jibe about being in a conference that is so good that being in the top 5-15 is a bad thing that will keep you out of a BCS bowl. While Mizzou could make a BCS after losing to New Mexico, Texas, Colorado, and an awful Kansas team. BCS logic for ya! I almost wish it would happen, for obvious fan reasons, and also because I am pretty sure it would end the BCS system. Mizzou has to be far and away the worst team remaining that still has mathematical BCS chances.

Why is this the fault of the BCS? We're not even talking about any of the legitimate complaints here. Seems like your beef is with Championship Games, and possibly the overall suckiness of the Big 12 North?

[panerd]

Why is this the fault of the BCS? We're not even talking about any of the legitimate complaints here. Seems like your beef is with Championship Games, and possibly the overall suckiness of the Big 12 North?

Yes and no. My beef is with the tie in to the championship games which is somewhat of a BCS problem. I really don't have a problem with the rankings based on polls and computers that currently have USC and Texas 1 and 2. I have a problem with the Mizzou scenerio where a team maybe ranked #57 in the BCS standings takes one of the top 8 spots because they win the big 12 championship. It should still be teams 1-8 at the end of the season who make the BCS bowls. If 4 of them are SEC, Big 12, Pac-10, etc. then so be it. So while the conference championships exist for the sole purpose of making the conferences more money, IMO it still doesn't have to guarentee the winner a trip to the big bowl.

Would I have as much interest in Mizzou/Texas if all it meant was that Mizzou went 8-4 and knocked Texas out of the national title picture instead of Mizzou going to a New Year's bowl? Maybe not. But just because they will make less money doesn't make it right. They are making plenty of money as it is.

I am sure this will all be over if KU beats Iowa State or we fall flat against K-State today, but if not I guarentee somebody will start a thread sometime next week (and PTI, Around the Horn, etc will be all over it)discussing the point I am making right now that nobody seems to have a problem with. And no matter what happens Mizzou, Iowa State, or Colorado will definitely have a shot at a BCS bowl. And not one of the teams even deserves to be in any big bowl games.

[Solecismic]

Well, horrendous start for the Michigan defense. Troy Smith is looking like a future NFLer, and the secondary - a weakness all season long - is a step behind. I don't feel good about this game.

Edit: Avant was open. Just a terrible fourth-down throw from Henne. When will he stop throwing scared (off his back foot)? This game could get out of hand very quickly.

[HerRealName]

3rd and 5 and the play clock expires before the snap - no penalty. How the hell does a play clock run out without a ref noticing?

That's followed by a 3rd and 2 and an obvious pick play that doesn't get called and results in a first down. Not as bad as that delay of game but it was pretty obvious.

Michigan is gifted back into the game.

[HerRealName]

Sorry for the low class post, of course Michigan earned that TD. I shouldn't be posting during the game...

[cthomer5000]

potentially huge turnover there by Ohio State, big big posession here for UM

[Noop]

Henne has no touch.

[Solecismic]

Ohio State is an impressive team, they just haven't gotten any breaks today. They're not done yet.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Ohio State is an impressive team, they just haven't gotten any breaks today. They're not done yet.
Agreed.

Was it just me or did it look like Henne's knee was down before the ball crossed the plane of the endzone on that 2 pt. conversion?

[cthomer5000]

Was it just me or did it look like Henne's knee was down before the ball crossed the plane of the endzone on that 2 pt. conversion?
That certainly crossed my mind as well. I don't believe they showed a replay though, so i couldn't be sure.

[Solecismic]

They did show a replay. He was in. Another big break, Tressel opting for the field goal. I love the call myself, but I can't imagine OSU fans are happy.

Damn, that was an easy 7 for Smith. Is he getting jobbed in the Heisman talk, or is he only the best quarterback in the country against Michigan?

[Honolulu_Blue]

This is the stage of the game where not being able to run the ball at all really hurts Michigan.

[Solecismic]

I've got to go back to what I said in the first quarter, Michigan just doesn't have the secondary to compete with an accurate quarterback. Looks like we're headed to the Who Gives a Fuck Bowl.

[cthomer5000]

Michigan needs a miracle.

[Honolulu_Blue]

I've got to go back to what I said in the first quarter, Michigan just doesn't have the secondary to compete with an accurate quarterback. Looks like we're headed to the Who Gives a Fuck Bowl.
Indeed.

Well.... Go Penn State.

[larrymcg421]

Ok, I say this every week. Why are they trying to stop them from scoring??

[JeeberD]

Why was OSU going for two? What difference does it make if it's a five or six point lead?

[cthomer5000]

Why was OSU going for two? What difference does it make if it's a five or six point lead?
Are you serious? A TD is 6 points last time I checked.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Why was OSU going for two? What difference does it make if it's a five or six point lead?

There's always a slim chance you could block the other guy's XP (if he gets a miracle TD) & save at least an OT.

[cthomer5000]

whoever caught that ball is a moron.

[larrymcg421]

There's also a small chance of an INT being returned for two, making it a 2 pt game, which would be huge.

[JeeberD]

Are you serious? A TD is 6 points last time I checked.

I was gonna ask how often teams miss extra points in major college football, but I guess that OSU proved earlier that it can happen... ;)

[Leonidas]

YYYYYYEEEEEEESSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!

[cthomer5000]

I was gonna ask how often teams miss extra points in major college football, but I guess that OSU proved earlier that it can happen... ;) Even if it's one in a billion, there would be no reason not to go for 2 there. It can only help your team.

edit: Well, actually there is a rason not to, the possibility of the conversion attempt being returned by Michigan. Tought to determine how large a factor that should be in that sort of a decision.

[Solecismic]

Ohio State was by far the better team today. That was just a pitiful performance on defense. Definitely the worst season since Carr took over.

Carr was 58-6 at Michigan Stadium going into this season, and 4-3 this season with three defensive collapses in the final minute of the game. Those three last-minute drives are what 2005 will be remembered for. A good team has to step it up in those situations. Ohio State did, and Michigan didn't.

[HerRealName]

OSU went conservative in the third and I thought Michigan returned the favor in the fourth defensively. What a great game.

[Leonidas]

I remember quite vividly how excited I was when OSU beat Miami in the Fiesta Bowl and have to say the thrill from today's win was a surprisingly close second. What a great game.

And Henne was fabulous. Reminds me a lot of Tom Brady, as a pro. He's much better than Brady was at UM. Michigan put up a great battle.

[vtbub]

Ohio State is a good team. They need everyone to hold form though to get in the BCS.

[Leonidas]

Ohio State is a good team. They need everyone to hold form though to get in the BCS.Bucs travel well. BCS folks love the chance to get OSU because they know they will sell out the game. After Notre Dame, OSU is the team they secretly root for. I'm hearing talk that OSU plays Miami in the Orange Bowl or Notre Dame in the Fiesta. Either one would be great fun.

[HerRealName]

I've also heard that there is an extremely good chance OSU goes to a BCS bowl. It makes no difference to me, though. Playing against LSU, Auburn, or Georgia would be as good as a BCS game.

[Mantle2600]

ARRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH GRRRRRRRRRRRRR UUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHH MOTHERFUCKER!!! FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK

T.O.S.U.!!!

[st.cronin]

Michigan may have lost the game, but they won the commercial. That buckeye ad for their school made it seem like some private school for 'special' kids.

[kingnebwsu]

OSU was definitely the better team today, but they were very fortunate to escape with a win. It's like, 2 fumbled punt returns, a craptacular 18 yard punt, missed FG, missed XP, 2 offensive fumbles DEEP in michigan territory. Yet, they were able to overcome all of this and pull out a win.

Big dap to both coaches for some nice calls. HUGE dap to Troy Smith for kicking it hardcore on that last drive. No dap to Ginn on special teams. No dap to OSU's special teams, period.

I said before the game that if OSU plays their best game that they win by 2 TD's. They didn't play even close to their best game (as far as mistakes go) and they were very fortunate to come away with a win. I'm just relieved, as I thought OSU would get blown out when they fell down by 9. What a game though.

GO BUCKS!!!

[Logan]

Issues, my friend...you have issues.

Now I know why you can't get a date.

[Buccaneer]

Every time I see TOSU I think "How appropriate. Someone who went to school in lower ohio is asking 'may I tos u?'" Lick my ass you fuckeye. I hate you. I hate you. I hate you. I hope the entire student body of tos u passes only one subject that counts for a credit there: binge drinking. Get alcohol poisoning tonight and choke on the vomit. The world will be a better place.

When Holmes jumped into the end zone he should have had his upper torso separated from his lower. His spleen should have been left in a dumpster tonight. Next year, I would accept another Michigan loss, if it meant seeing every tos u palyer carried off the field in excruciating pain. Throw the crooked coach in on the injured list and I could die a happy man.
What a baby. Grow up.

[st.cronin]

Every time I see TOSU I think "How appropriate. Someone who went to school in lower ohio is asking 'may I tos u?'" Lick my ass you fuckeye. I hate you. I hate you. I hate you. I hope the entire student body of tos u passes only one subject that counts for a credit there: binge drinking. Get alcohol poisoning tonight and choke on the vomit. The world will be a better place.

When Holmes jumped into the end zone he should have had his upper torso separated from his lower. His spleen should have been left in a dumpster tonight. Next year, I would accept another Michigan loss, if it meant seeing every tos u palyer carried off the field in excruciating pain. Throw the crooked coach in on the injured list and I could die a happy man.

That might be the worst post of all time. Go suck a lemon.

[ISiddiqui]

What a baby. Grow up.Indeed. I've seen many people embarrass themselves, but that post... well that took the cake.

[Noop]

MGB - I hope the rest of the Michigan fan base doesn't think like you. That was low class to wish injury on a player or death a fan.

[vtbub]

MGB - I hope the rest of the Michigan fan base doesn't think like you. That was low class to wish injury on a player or death a fan.
Trust me, this Michigan fan of over 25 years does not.

[Passacaglia]

Michigan may have lost the game, but they won the commercial. That buckeye ad for their school made it seem like some private school for 'special' kids.

Very true. As a pretty avid watcher of Big Ten Football, I thought I'd seen all the school-specific commercials. But that Ohio State commercial...wow.

Good game, even if it did have a terrible outcome.

[Passacaglia]

MGB - I hope the rest of the Michigan fan base doesn't think like you. That was low class to wish injury on a player or death a fan.

He's just trying to convince Schmidty that it's a very "real" rivalry.
:p

[Solecismic]

I'm pretty upset over this loss. This is without a doubt the biggest sporting event of any kind during the year in my household.

I'll get over it. I don't wish ill on the OSU players - they played hard, deserved the win. I don't even think Holmes deserved that penalty, let alone a maiming.

I just hope Smith's dissection of the Michigan secondary proves, finally, that Michigan cannot get away with running these soft zones against quality teams.

[kingnebwsu]

Yeah, that Holmes penalty was a pretty weak call. I'm fine with the spirit of the rule, but good god, there WERE guys near him. It's not like he was diving with nobody within 20 yards. I was about freaking out on that penalty. It was a 30-yard penalty, cuz michigan got the ball around midfield instead of their own 20. Ri-fucking-diculous. Glad it all turned out okay.

OSU tried their best to give the game away, but still managed to win. Hopefully Ginn gets rid of the fumble-itis he's had all season.

GO BUCKS!

[Leonidas]

Originally Posted by M GO BLUE!!!
Every time I see TOSU I think "How appropriate. Someone who went to school in lower ohio is asking 'may I tos u?'" Lick my ass you fuckeye. I hate you. I hate you. I hate you. I hope the entire student body of tos u passes only one subject that counts for a credit there: binge drinking. Get alcohol poisoning tonight and choke on the vomit. The world will be a better place.

When Holmes jumped into the end zone he should have had his upper torso separated from his lower. His spleen should have been left in a dumpster tonight. Next year, I would accept another Michigan loss, if it meant seeing every tos u palyer carried off the field in excruciating pain. Throw the crooked coach in on the injured list and I could die a happy man.Binge drinkers traditionally are more literate than that. Pop a twelve pack of Strohs my friend and get a good night's sleep. That way when you wake up it will only be another 364 days to cope with the shame.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

I said some things out of frustraton that were inappropriate and wrong. I did not intend to offend anybody. I apologize for what I said, and hope that any offense taken was not too great. I really should have thought about what I had posted, not just in this case, but in any case. If anything I had ever posted here offended anyone, I am sorry.

Good luck to you all, and God bless...

[Butter]

What a great game that was. Lloyd Carr looked particularly embittered by the loss, barely having time to stop and shake Tressel's hand.

I'm waiting for the guy here at work who actually went to the game to show up so I can talk to him about it. But that was just a wonderful way to win it, after it looked like they were gone being down 9 with under 7 minutes to go.

Sucks that OSU couldn't win the Big Ten outright, but at least the title went to Paterno instead of Alvarez. I hope PSU cleans up ND in the bowl game, and OSU can hammer on whichever SEC team they end up against in either the Sugar or Citrus bowls.

[RendeR]

I've waited a few days to post anything, because my sheer euphoria level was quite intense.

However, I am still really unhappy with how sloppy Tressel's teams have played the game since he came along. They never seem to just go out and win won without giving the opponent a reason for hope.

That being said, I am going to thoroughly enjoy the coming year comforted by the knowledge that the maize and blue will be aching from this loss the entire time and have to face trying to get their hopes up of coming into the 'Shoe next season to try and redeem themselves.

GO BUCKEYES!

[Butter]

However, I am still really unhappy with how sloppy Tressel's teams have played the game since he came along. They never seem to just go out and win won without giving the opponent a reason for hope.

I don't really think that's true. I think this year they have been very sloppy. But in the past, Tressel has preached defense and mistake-free offense and special teams. That's not sloppy, it's just ultra-conservative. And it pretty much dictates no big plays allowed on defense. So, OSU has been in a lot of close games because Tressel doesn't want to open up the offense and risk giving up a turnover.

But this year, they have been sloppy. Turnovers beat them at Happy Valley and against Texas, and really should've resulted in a 3rd loss in this game. The entire offense (most of whom is coming back) will be hearing about turnovers ALL YEAR LONG until the bowl game and on through until the return game at Texas next fall.

[Huckleberry]

Ohio St. won the turnover battle against Texas 3-1. The Buckeyes didn't turn the ball over until after they fell behind 23-22 in the 4th quarter.

[Butter]

Ohio St. won the turnover battle against Texas 3-1. The Buckeyes didn't turn the ball over until after they fell behind 23-22 in the 4th quarter.

And that pretty much handed the game to Texas. I know you had a bad experience in Columbus, but get over it. You guys won.

I also hope you beat USC in the national title game.

[Huckleberry]

And that pretty much handed the game to Texas. I know you had a bad experience in Columbus, but get over it. You guys won.

I also hope you beat USC in the national title game.
It sounds to me like you're the one that has something you need to get over. If the posting of facts regarding the game bothers you, it would probably be better for you not to talk about it.

That turnover didn't hand us the game. It just ended the drive. Ohio State averaged 4.1 ypp against Texas on the night. Hardly reason to be certain that the Buckeyes would have gotten into field goal range from their own 31.