BCS Matchups

[Joe]

I'm almost looking forward to Ohio State-Notre Dame as much as I am Texas-USC. West Virginia-Georgia, not so much.

[Noop]

Florida State vs. Penn State

[Joe]

the #3 team in the country vs. an unranked team? that will be awesome. or are they actually ranked now?

[Noop]

the #3 team in the country vs. an unranked team? that will be awesome. or are they actually ranked now?
Yeah we are ranked #22 now. We really screwed the pooch by not practicing in pads for as long as we did. Should be a good game.

[Joe]

it will be good. all around good matchups, although I would rather see a team like Oregon (or VT or LSU) rather than West Virginia.

[cthomer5000]

I'm a little surprised that Virginia Tech goes to the Gator Bowl over Miami.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Georgia Tech gets the Emerald Bowl instead of the Music City, who took Virginia.
GT vs Utah ... whoopdefriggindo.

[Honolulu_Blue]

I'm almost looking forward to Ohio State-Notre Dame as much as I am Texas-USC. West Virginia-Georgia, not so much.
Ohio State-Notre Dame. No matter who wins. We all lose.

When it all comes down to it, however, I will go with the evil over annoyance in this one.

Alamo Bowl. Dec. 28. Michigan vs. Nebraska. Well, we finally got the game we've always wanted. Too bad it's 8 years too late.

[gstelmack]

I'm trying to figure out how I can arrange things so I can make the Meineke Car Care Bowl in Charlotte on New Year's Eve. My alma-mater (South Florida) against my adopted local team (NC State) just 3 hours away...

[Joe]

ah crap, the Sun Bowl took Northwestern over Minnesota. I would've liked to see the Gophers take on UCLA. But at least we'll beat Virginia (most likely, anyway) in the Music City Bowl. I think the Peach Bowl matchup of Miami-LSU will be real good as well.

[ice4277]

I'm glad I've already got tickets for the Akron/Memphis Motor City Bowl!!!

I guess there should be a lot of offense, if nothing else.

[Galaxy]

Not too thrilled about FSU vs Penn State. Great names, but FSU is not a BCS team.

[Dr. Sak]

Yeah we are ranked #22 now. We really screwed the pooch by not practicing in pads for as long as we did. Should be a good game.

If you guys show up like they did last night it will be a game. If they dont, Penn State's defense will eat Weatherford alive.

[digamma]

Georgia Tech gets the Emerald Bowl instead of the Music City, who took Virginia.
GT vs Utah ... whoopdefriggindo.
The NC mafia in the ACC was up to their old tricks.

[panerd]

Two of college football's coaching geniuses in the Indepence Bowl.

Steve Spurrier will take on the up and coming Gary Pinkel.

[Airhog]

wow, did oregon get screwed? They are ranked #5 in the BCS, but they are playing OU in the holiday bowl? Oh well, it should be a good game.

[Joe]

wow, did oregon get screwed? They are ranked #5 in the BCS, but they are playing OU in the holiday bowl? Oh well, it should be a good game.

Yep that does suck. I guess the Sun Bowl just picked UCLA over them?

[Celeval]

The NC mafia in the ACC was up to their old tricks.
ACC teams that go to decent bowls on the East Coast:
Virginia (6-5, 3-5) (Music City Bowl v. Minnesota)
North Carolina State (6-5, 3-5) (Car Care Bowl v. South Florida)

ACC teams that go to lower bowls on the West Coast:
Boston College (8-3, 5-3) (MPC Computers Bowl v. Boise State)
Georgia Tech (7-4, 5-3) (Emerald Bowl v. Utah)

BS.

[Logan]

This Big East fan is thrilled to see BC get sent to Boise.

[Joe]

thought it was the other way around, good to know

[dawgfan]

Yep that does suck. I guess the Sun Bowl just picked UCLA over them?

The Holiday Bowl is the #2 Pac-10 Bowl, the Sun Bowl is the #3 Pac-10 Bowl, so no.

[cthomer5000]

This Big East fan is thrilled to see BC get sent to Boise.
I'm not shedding any tears either. http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[MrBug708]

Yep that does suck. I guess the Sun Bowl just picked UCLA over them?

The Holiday Bowl is the second place PAC-10 team vs the third place Big-12 team. The Sun Bowl is the Third Place PAC-10 team vs the fifth place Big-11 team.

PAC-10 bowl tie-ins suck.

Northwestern UCLA should be a game where the over/under is about at 80

[Galaril]

Yeah, BC got screwed with Florida State beating VT they get bumped to Boise and playinga shit bowl. I bet the BC players are psyched to be going to the Whatever bowl.

[Celeval]

To be fair - every report I've read about Boise has came out that the bowl is a great experience for the players. Not the best for the fans to get to, but teams have always been treated extremely well.

[MacroGuru]

The smurf turf up in Boise is awesome....It's going to be cold as hell, but they will enjoy it.

[RendeR]

Ohio State-Notre Dame. No matter who wins. We all lose.

When it all comes down to it, however, I will go with the evil over annoyance in this one.

Alamo Bowl. Dec. 28. Michigan vs. Nebraska. Well, we finally got the game we've always wanted. Too bad it's 8 years too late.
Stop whining maize-in-a-daze, be happy that shit team you have up north even got offered a bowl game. You have no excuses for losing to a pathetic nebraska team however.

Notre Dame is gonna get schooled, "Fiesta" style.

Buckeyes RULE.

[Galaril]

Stop whining maize-in-a-daze, be happy that shit team you have up north even got offered a bowl game. You have no excuses for losing to a pathetic nebraska team however.

Notre Dame is gonna get schooled, "Fiesta" style.

Buckeyes RULE.

We shall see OSU Defense vs ND offense.

[ISiddiqui]

I know no one cares about WVU v. UGA, but I'm thinking it's going to be a fun game, even though its basically a home game for the Dawgs. WVU is one of those old school run first, run often, run all the fucking time teams, with a very good defense. Should be interesting to see them against Georgia.

[Dr. Sak]

We shall see OSU Defense vs ND offense.

I think Ohio State wins by 10+. Remember last time Notre Dame made a BCS bowl game? They were blown out in the Fiesta Bowl by Oregon State. They had two losses and there was a lot of speculation whether or not they belong, just like this year. In my opinion a good defense beats a good offense anyday. Plus Troy Smith has come a long way this season and should have a field day on ND's defense.

[GrantDawg]

I know no one cares about WVU v. UGA, but I'm thinking it's going to be a fun game, even though its basically a home game for the Dawgs. WVU is one of those old school run first, run often, run all the fucking time teams, with a very good defense. Should be interesting to see them against Georgia.
It might be a good game, but it isn't "sexy."

[JW]

Interesting how the bowls work. Three SEC teams that LSU beat -- Alabama, Auburn, and Florida -- get Jan. 2 bowls. LSU gets the Peach Bowl Dec. 31. OTOH, LSU gets a matchup with Miami in the Peach Bowl, a matchup better imho than any of the other three SEC matchups and better than the Sugar Bowl matchup. LSU fans generally see this two ways; we're screwed by the SEC, but we end up with a glamour matchup. Of course the other problem is that LSU better be ready to play its best game if it wants to play with Miami.

[GrantDawg]

Interesting how the bowls work. Three SEC teams that LSU beat -- Alabama, Auburn, and Florida -- get Jan. 2 bowls. LSU gets the Peach Bowl Dec. 31. OTOH, LSU gets a matchup with Miami in the Peach Bowl, a matchup better imho than any of the other three SEC matchups and better than the Sugar Bowl matchup. LSU fans generally see this two ways; we're screwed by the SEC, but we end up with a glamour matchup. Of course the other problem is that LSU better be ready to play its best game if it wants to play with Miami.

Even though the Peach is played on Decemeber 31st, it has become as "prestigious" as most January 2nd bowls. It really isn't a slight at all (and generally is one of the best football matchups of all the bowls).

[Mr. Wednesday]

I know no one cares about WVU v. UGA, but I'm thinking it's going to be a fun game, even though its basically a home game for the Dawgs. WVU is one of those old school run first, run often, run all the fucking time teams, with a very good defense. Should be interesting to see them against Georgia. When I saw WVU play against Pitt, I was thinking that it could be a very interesting game if ND wound up paired with the Mountaineers. WVU may be very much a one-trick pony, but they do that trick very effectively.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Stop whining maize-in-a-daze, be happy that shit team you have up north even got offered a bowl game. You have no excuses for losing to a pathetic nebraska team however.

Notre Dame is gonna get schooled, "Fiesta" style.

Buckeyes RULE.
Ok. You've convinced me. I've changed my mind. Go Irish.

[JW]

Even though the Peach is played on Decemeber 31st, it has become as "prestigious" as most January 2nd bowls. It really isn't a slight at all (and generally is one of the best football matchups of all the bowls).

Actually I guess it is Dec. 30, based on the bowl listing I read. But besides being a prestige matchup, it is the only game on that night. It is not competing with two or three other bowl games. And the Peach matchup is just as good as most of the Jan. 2 matchups.

What irritates is that the payout is a good deal less than the Jan. 2 bowls. So SEC teams LSU beat end up getting more money due in part to SEC politics and in part to BCS and bowl politics.

But, from the lsusports.net announcement of the bowl invitation:

"The LSU-Miami matchup will be the only non-BCS game featuring a pair of top 10 teams. As a matter of fact, the LSU-Miami contest features teams with a higher combined ranking than that of the Nokia Sugar Bowl, which will also be played in Atlanta."

So that doesn't sound too bad at all.

[RendeR]

Ok. You've convinced me. I've changed my mind. Go Irish.Poor, bitter, Mi-shit-gin fan.

[General Mike]

I'm not shedding any tears either. http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

I am. Tears of Joy. :p

[timmynausea]

I would rather see a team like Oregon (or VT or LSU) rather than West Virginia.


I guess Houston Nutt feels the same as he didn't rank WVU in his final Coach's poll ballot.

[MrBigglesworth]

I'll be in Miami with my Posluszny jersey on.

Sucks that PSU has to play a 4 loss team, but it will be nice to beat on Bowden after all the crap that JoePa has taken in the past couple of years.

[Butter]

I'll be in Miami with my Posluszny jersey on.

Sucks that PSU has to play a 4 loss team, but it will be nice to beat on Bowden after all the crap that JoePa has taken in the past couple of years.

Please tell JoePa not to let that glory-hog B. Bowden pass him in career wins. Please. Never. Even if he has to coach to 110.

[Butter]

Ok. You've convinced me. I've changed my mind. Go Irish.

Aw, c'mon. What do I have to do to win you back to the right side? Sing the UM fight song? Put 3 stripes down the middle of my hair? Name it, and it's yours.

[Ksyrup]

Please tell JoePa not to let that glory-hog B. Bowden pass him in career wins. Please. Never. Even if he has to coach to 110.Welcome to 5 years ago. JoePa's been behind Bowden for quite some time.

They're both going to hold on too long - they both know that no one will even touch this record, so whichever one of them gets it, is going to hold it for eternity. In fact, I'm pissed JoePa had a great season this year just because it increases the chances of Bowden staying even longer than he probably thought he would have to. Just because Bowden's still a nice guy and media-savvy and not some crotchety old man doesn't make him any more focused on his own immortality than Joe Pa is.

[Wolfpack]

Please tell JoePa not to let that glory-hog B. Bowden pass him in career wins. Please. Never. Even if he has to coach to 110.


Errummm...Bobby's already passed him. It's a matter of JoePa catching up now.

[Ksyrup]

Picking a side in the OSU/ND game is the toughest choice I've had to make since OSU and Miami played for the title. And that game ended in the worst possible way - OSU won and Glen gave up the game-winning TD. I think OSU should win this game easily because ND's schedule just wasn't that tough, but I still might have to root for ND.

[GrantDawg]

Actually I guess it is Dec. 30, based on the bowl listing I read. But besides being a prestige matchup, it is the only game on that night. It is not competing with two or three other bowl games. And the Peach matchup is just as good as most of the Jan. 2 matchups.

What irritates is that the payout is a good deal less than the Jan. 2 bowls. So SEC teams LSU beat end up getting more money due in part to SEC politics and in part to BCS and bowl politics.

But, from the lsusports.net announcement of the bowl invitation:

"The LSU-Miami matchup will be the only non-BCS game featuring a pair of top 10 teams. As a matter of fact, the LSU-Miami contest features teams with a higher combined ranking than that of the Nokia Sugar Bowl, which will also be played in Atlanta."

So that doesn't sound too bad at all.

Yeah, it really is a great game. I'm surprised that the money is much lower than the Jan. 2 bowls, really. It makes as much money as any of them. Doesn't all the conference teams split the money, or is it the team gets half and the conference splits the other half?

[Wolfpack]

In the ACC, it's a total revenue-share. All monies after compensating teams for their efforts to be at the game are divided 12 ways. Same thing happens in the NCAA tournament. In this way, Duke can live off FSU in football, while FSU can live off Duke in basketball.

[Butter]

Welcome to 5 years ago. JoePa's been behind Bowden for quite some time.

They're both going to hold on too long - they both know that no one will even touch this record, so whichever one of them gets it, is going to hold it for eternity. In fact, I'm pissed JoePa had a great season this year just because it increases the chances of Bowden staying even longer than he probably thought he would have to. Just because Bowden's still a nice guy and media-savvy and not some crotchety old man doesn't make him any more focused on his own immortality than Joe Pa is.

That's just how much of a mental block I have on it then, I must've totally refused to recognize it when it happened.

[Ksyrup]

Hey, at least FSU's basketball team has beaten Duke a couple of times in the last several years...

[Ksyrup]

That's just how much of a mental block I have on it then, I must've totally refused to recognize it when it happened.
JoePa broke the record first, but Bowden has since passed him. Maybe you remember the original race to break the record.

[Butter]

JoePa broke the record first, but Bowden has since passed him. Maybe you remember the original race to break the record.

Vaguely. It was probably while I was in college, and I have to say most of that was a blur.

Eddie Robinson's still coaching Grambling, right?

[IMetTrentGreen]

oregon is going to throttle ou

[Dr. Sak]

Welcome to 5 years ago. JoePa's been behind Bowden for quite some time.


Too bad Bobby has to count on 50 (not sure exact number) of wins while he was at NAIA Samford while Paterno has all of his wins at a D-1a level.

[Ksyrup]

I don't set the criteria. I don't care if they count them or not.

[dawgfan]

Too bad Bobby has to count on 50 (not sure exact number) of wins while he was at NAIA Samford while Paterno has all of his wins at a D-1a level.

Bowden had 31 wins while the head man at Samford.

[Dr. Sak]

Bowden had 31 wins while the head man at Samford.

Thank you for clairfying me. I was not sure of the exact amount.

[Swaggs]

I guess Houston Nutt feels the same as he didn't rank WVU in his final Coach's poll ballot.

That guy doesn't deserve a vote.

Even if you are in the camp that thinks the Big East is utterly and completely wretched, WVU still won the conference with an undefeated record, beat a respectable ACC team (Maryland), beat a team that finished the season in the top 15 (Louisville), and lost only once all season, to the then #3 team (VT, who is still a top 12 team).

Houston Nutt can bite my ass.

[Klinglerware]

That guy doesn't deserve a vote.

Even if you are in the camp that thinks the Big East is utterly and completely wretched, WVU still won the conference with an undefeated record, beat a respectable ACC team (Maryland), beat a team that finished the season in the top 15 (Louisville), and lost only once all season, to the then #3 team (VT, who is still a top 12 team).

Houston Nutt can bite my ass.

And the funny and ironic thing is that the conference that is in the greatest danger of losing it's autobid via the so-called "Big East" rule is the ACC (not that the BCS powers-that-be would ever let it happen).

I believe that the Big East rule states that in order for a BCS conference to retain its autobid, its past four conference champions must have a final regular-season BCS ranking averaging 12 or better.

(From a post in a Rutgers message board):

Big East four year average:
2002: #1 (Miami)
2003: #9 (Miami)
2004: #10 (Louisville)*
2005: #11 (West Virginia)
Total: 31/4 = 7.5 (#8)

* louisville counted due to John Swofford, ACC commissioner, lobbying for teams moving conferences counting toward their new conference in 2004.

ACC four year average:
2002: #14 (FSU)
2003: #7 (FSU)
2004: #8 (Va Tech)
2005: #22 (FSU)
Total: 51/4 = 12.75 (#13)

[Huckleberry]

Keep in mind that they're going to revisit this after the 2007 season for the 2004-2007 seasons.

So, to start off the two conferences have

Big East - #10, #11
ACC - #8, #22

[Klinglerware]

Keep in mind that they're going to revisit this after the 2007 season for the 2004-2007 seasons.

So, to start off the two conferences have

Big East - #10, #11
ACC - #8, #22

True, but the ACC's start is a bit shakier than the Big East's. Theoretically, the ACC has to hope that their strongest BCS-ranked teams don't continue to lose in the conference championship game. But in fact, as unfair as it may seem, I still can't see how the BCS would take the ACC's bid away even if they fail to meet this rule...

[Honolulu_Blue]

Aw, c'mon. What do I have to do to win you back to the right side? Sing the UM fight song? Put 3 stripes down the middle of my hair? Name it, and it's yours.
Interesting offers. For you, I will consider it...

[jbmagic]

do you guys think Penn State should of gotten a better team to face them?

why not #3 vs #4?

[Joe]

do you guys think Penn State should of gotten a better team to face them?

why not #3 vs #4?

Doesn't really matter. They get the big payday from being in a BCS bowl and they're high enough that they will be highly ranked at the beginning of next season.

[timmynausea]

Really the BCS money just gets divided up among the different conferences revenue sharing plans. Everyone talks about it like each team actually gets $15 million.

[cthomer5000]

Really the BCS money just gets divided up among the different conferences revenue sharing plans. Everyone talks about it like each team actually gets $15 million.
Yes, the media does totally misrepresent this.

[miami_fan]

Really the BCS money just gets divided up among the different conferences revenue sharing plans. Everyone talks about it like each team actually gets $15 million.

Is that for all the conferences?

[Dr. Sak]

Is that for all the conferences?

All except for ND who gets to keep it all. But that all changes for them next year.

[timmynausea]

Is that for all the conferences?

I'm not sure how each conference does it, but yes every conference does have a revenue sharing plan in place for their bowl money. I know a lot of conferences basically split the money evenly among the teams, but the Big East gives the 1st place team a little more than the second place team and so on. In fact, Miami had a pretty sweet deal in the Big East as up until this season the first place Big East team got a much bigger cut of the BCS money (I've read around $8 million) whereas this year it'll be closer to $2.5 or $3 million for first place as it is a lot closer to an even split among the 8 teams.

[cthomer5000]

All except for ND who gets to keep it all. But that all changes for them next year.
1. Does Notre Dame keep it all this year?
2. How does it change next year?

[timmynausea]

1. Does Notre Dame keep it all this year?
2. How does it change next year?

Starting next year Notre Dame would get around $5 million if they make the BCS and $1.4 million in years when they don't make it, basically making it closer to how things would be for them if they were in a conference.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Notre Dame will be keeping all of the money this year. The money is already earmarked for financial aid and for purchasing equipment for the new undergraduate sciences building under construction.

[MrBigglesworth]

Notre Dame will be keeping all of the money this year. The money is already earmarked for financial aid and for purchasing equipment for the new undergraduate sciences building under construction.
I have to wonder, if ND didn't make the BCS this year, would the undergraduate science buildings be left empty? Not singling out ND, I think every school does this, but I think they go over the top to make it seem like the BCS money is going to 'good causes'.

[scooper]

I have to wonder, if ND didn't make the BCS this year, would the undergraduate science buildings be left empty? Not singling out ND, I think every school does this, but I think they go over the top to make it seem like the BCS money is going to 'good causes'.
Bowl money at ND always goes to academic endeavors. That was probably a concession to allow them back into bowls in the first place. ND didn't participate in bowls for about 45 years.

I don't mean this to show them as some sort of shining example. I'm sure there are a lot of schools that put bowl money into academics.

To answer your question, the money would have probably come from the general fund or some fund raising efforts would have happened. Saving money in the general fund is never a bad thing.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I have to wonder, if ND didn't make the BCS this year, would the undergraduate science buildings be left empty? Not singling out ND, I think every school does this, but I think they go over the top to make it seem like the BCS money is going to 'good causes'.I would imagine it would have come from fundraising. Since we're planning to build a new engineering building or three, anything that makes a dent there is a positive in my book.

I don't know that ND is unique in allocating one-time windfalls like this to academics, but I am pleased that they did so.

[duckman]

oregon is going to throttle ou
Shift key and punctuation is your friend.

Seriously, I think the game will fairly close, but it wouldn't suprise me to see Oregon win by a couple touchdowns. The team has really improved over the course of the season, so I would not suprise to see OU pull off the upset either.

[Cuckoo]

Shift key and punctuation is your friend.

Seriously, I think the game will fairly close, but it wouldn't suprise me to see Oregon win by a couple touchdowns. The team has really improved over the course of the season, so I would not suprise to see OU pull off the upset either.

Bah. I was hoping nobody would give IMTG the satisfaction of a response. He'll make idiot predictions like this, and if it happens, he'll come back and say, "See, I told you. OU sucks. Mack Brown is recruiting god. Bob Stoops just gets lucky."

Or rather, he'll do it without the capitalization and periods.

If he's wrong, he'll never come back and admit it. He has proven that time and time again.

As for the game, I too expect it to be a good game. Based on the teams OU has lost to this year, they're still a quality team (despite what the media will have you believe). And Oregon has had a bit easier schedule than OU overall, so I would set aside their records and say they're closer in quality than that would indicate.

To be honest, I haven't seen Oregon play since they lost their QB. I hear they play a couple of guys, and one is a top recruit with tons of talent. I know their defense has been solid. I expect it to be fairly low-scoring, and the one thing that can't be discounted is Oregon being BCS-snubbed. They could respond to that by playing with a ton of emotion, or they could feel sorry for themselves. Whichever is the case might determine the outcome.

I don't think this will be a blowout either way - I think the winning team does so by 0-10 points or so. I'm not ready to make a score prediction yet, though, as I'd still like to look at some of Oregon's games since losing their QB.

[Noop]

Nole envy. Is such a great thing.

[IMetTrentGreen]

i just wasted 20 minutes typing an in depth post, since my one line one didn't go over, and i got logged out before i could post it. didn't save it, now its gone why can't a stay logged in?

Shift key and punctuation is your friend.

grammar is yours

[IMetTrentGreen]

Bah. I was hoping nobody would give IMTG the satisfaction of a response. He'll make idiot predictions like this, and if it happens, he'll come back and say, "See, I told you. OU sucks. Mack Brown is recruiting god. Bob Stoops just gets lucky."

Or rather, he'll do it without the capitalization and periods.

If he's wrong, he'll never come back and admit it. He has proven that time and time again.

As for the game, I too expect it to be a good game. Based on the teams OU has lost to this year, they're still a quality team (despite what the media will have you believe). And Oregon has had a bit easier schedule than OU overall, so I would set aside their records and say they're closer in quality than that would indicate.

To be honest, I haven't seen Oregon play since they lost their QB. I hear they play a couple of guys, and one is a top recruit with tons of talent. I know their defense has been solid. I expect it to be fairly low-scoring, and the one thing that can't be discounted is Oregon being BCS-snubbed. They could respond to that by playing with a ton of emotion, or they could feel sorry for themselves. Whichever is the case might determine the outcome.

I don't think this will be a blowout either way - I think the winning team does so by 0-10 points or so. I'm not ready to make a score prediction yet, though, as I'd still like to look at some of Oregon's games since losing their QB.

hilarious post. lets take this one by one:

1. "If he's wrong, he'll never come back and admit it. He has proven that time and time again."

i get that a lot, mostly from you. i make predictions then go away. i mean, a lot. its like all anyone says to me anymore. yet not once has anyone offered up an example. i prove it? how about you prove it. im sure i've been wrong before, but i have tried to admit it best i can. its like how everyone says i always picked texas to beat ou, when this year was the first time i did. im a perfect 5-0 on this forum, but you'd think i was 0-5. i think im getting a bum rap here. im not trying to make myself a martyr here, just be fair. the ou game, and scotty bowman being fired are all i can remember predicing in the last year, and i was right on both . . . just a little late on one. i only visit this site about once every 6 weeks before i joined that bbcf league yesterday, so i dont come back right or wrong

2. "See, I told you. OU sucks. Mack Brown is recruiting god. Bob Stoops just gets lucky."

im fine with nobody liking me sticking up for mack brown. we all have eggs on our faces about that. i certainly didnt think he'd get to this point after that shameful holiday bowl performance. a clinic in how not to win a game. but the fact of the matter is, he's a top 1-3 coach in all of college football now. we've got a 25ish game winning streak (if texas beats usc and vince comes back, the s treak should hit 38), talent out the wazoo with another giant class coming, he fired all the terrible assistants and replaced them with the cream of the crop. you should hear some of the stuff he says now, im not sure its the same guy. mack took his whooping from stoops, continued to get better players, and now its showing. until he retires, texas will be in the top 5 before the bowl games. i'd much rather have him than stoops. by a lot. i was laughed out of any forum i said it on, but i stuck by my guns on stoops not recruiting well and being too predictable. now there are maybe 5-6 guys starting for ou that could even play for texas (three would start, by my count). the talent isn't there. chuck long is maybe the worst oc in the country, for sure in the conference. that offensive scheme doesn't make any sense. i almost feel bad for you guys

3. "I too expect it to be a good game. Based on the teams OU has lost to this year, they're still a quality team (despite what the media will have you believe). And Oregon has had a bit easier schedule than OU overall, so I would set aside their records and say they're closer in quality than that would indicate."

ha . . . ha. ou lost to tcu and ucla. a wac team and the softest team in the country. they got played evenly with tulsa, peterson bailed them out. baylor nearly took them to overtime at home. ou lost to tech, a week or two after tech lost to ok state. tech also got beat by about 35 in austin. stoops had never lost to leach. oregon's schedule isn't much, but they are 10-1 with a loss to the team that beat the good ou team by 40, half of that was without their best player on offense. this is the kind of stuff that made me really lose my want to have serious discussions here

4. "I don't think this will be a blowout either way - I think the winning team does so by 0-10 points or so."

yeah, i'd expect the winning team to win by 0 also

oregon does the same stuff a&m and stephen mcgee killed ou with, but better. they can actually complete a pass. i had forgotten that oregon lost their qb, so maybe that will keep it from a throttling, maybe 10-14 now. the oregon dl is the strong point of their defense, the dt's specifically. ou's interior ol is the weakest point. peterson won't have room, bomar won't have time, not that it matters since he is horrible, and ou won't come within a td

i can't make it clear enough, oklahoma is a bad football team. they went 7-4 in a terrible conference. they are not rebuilding. once peterson leaves there is nobody there than can win a game, unless they have someone i don't know about yet. the ol is horrid. bomar, well . . . you can have him. none of the recievers are legit threats outside of wilson. the lb's can't cover, the safties just stink, and the good dl are all on crutches on the sideline

oregon 30s ou less than 17

if i'm wrong, i'll be back. i hate ou but i've always been objective about them. i loved watching the 2000 team, and i was damn right about them not being better every year since, despite vegasvic and bob stoops declarations. i have legitimate reasons from thinking oregon wins, so im not scared to be wrong

[IMetTrentGreen]

sorry that was so long

[Cuckoo]

sorry that was so long

Me too. It's tough reading so much garbage. I wish I had the last 2 minutes of my life back.