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Balldog
12-05-2005, 07:08 PM
I must admit I’ve been lurking as of late, mostly due to my login problems. I guess I am coming back with a pretty serious topic and hoping for serious answers, but I know I’ll get the usual smartass ones.

Its now been almost five months since moving to my new apartment, just down the hall was a place with 2 couples and a friend. We had a party about a month after moving in and got to meet the people that lived there and a few of their friends. One of them an 18-year old girl, my new roommate and I have gotten to know her very well as a friend. Nothing sexual you smartasses, we both have girlfriends.

Come to find out her and her boyfriend of 3 ½ years just broken up the night before we met her. The guy is a complete wack job in our opinion. They had been off and on for the last 6 months of their relationship before she ended it again. During that last 6 months he threatened to kill himself, she told me he has scars that indicate that he did try to at one point. A few weeks after we met her she had called and wanted to come talk to us, but she never showed up. Ends up her and her ex were at the same party, where he again threatened to kill himself. She panicked and stayed because she couldn’t deal with someone killing themselves over her. I told her that most people that say that are just looking for attention, and it worked because she stayed. She agreed.

About 3 months ago, they went to a formal dance together because she didn’t have a date and they had already agreed to go with a group of couples. She told him in advance that she promised a few of her guy friends that she would dance with them. She did, he freaked out and threw her keys at her and left. She called me all upset about it, I told her to just avoid him the rest of the night and stay with her friends. He called her up later apologizing and asking if they could talk. Like a dumbass she said met up with him, at that time she told him that they can’t talk anymore. He cried, she cried, they didn’t talk for a few weeks. She told me there was no way she would ever go back with him.

After a few weeks he was still calling her all the time, she finally answered and he asked her to come visit him at school that night. He said not to get back together but to make things right, because he didn’t want to end the way they did. She didn’t tell us this because she knew we would be pissed at her, but she went.

They got in a fight of course, and she stormed out of his dorm running down the stairs. He chased after her, once she got to the bottom of the stairs she heard him fall. She stopped and called his name, he didn’t answer so she went back up the stairs to make sure he was okay. There he laid breathing heavily, and he grabbed her hand and wouldn’t let go. She called his roommate and they helped him up to his room, she wanted to leave but he wouldn’t let go of her. Note: his roommate and her couldn’t find anything wrong physically with him. After about an hour he quit breathing heavily and she tried to leave, he grabbed her again and wouldn’t let her leave.

I think this scared the shit out of her because ever since then she has been thinking about getting back with him.

A few more random notes:
·A number of times he has deleted all the guy's numbers from her phone book.
·He has deleted text messages from me and other friends and not told her.
·He has tried to access her voice mail to see who is calling her.
·Her parents think he is the greatest thing since sliced bread, not knowing about any of these events.
·Her parents want her to get back with him.
·They have been trying to make it work for the last month and all they have done is fight.

Now that she is trying to work things out he says he can’t get over the fact that she dated other guys while they were split up because in his mind they were still together.

I’ve tried to get it through her head that what he is doing is controlling her, manipulating her and borderline mentally abusive. She can’t seem to see it though.

I guess I am asking for suggestions, I’ve thought about collecting news articles from girl’s getting injured by such guy’s and giving them to her but I don’t know if she will take them for what it is worth or not.

I fear her safety with this guy!

I figure someone here has to have some experience with this kind of thing.

sovereignstar
12-05-2005, 07:14 PM
There's only so much you can do to help. In the end, she's the one that has to burn the bridge. Don't burn yourself out over a situation that you have so little control of.

Eaglesfan27
12-05-2005, 07:14 PM
I’ve tried to get it through her head that what he is doing is controlling her, manipulating her and borderline mentally abusive. She can’t seem to see it though.

I guess I am asking for suggestions, I’ve thought about collecting news articles from girl’s getting injured by such guy’s and giving them to her but I don’t know if she will take them for what it is worth or not.

I fear her safety with this guy!

I figure someone here has to have some experience with this kind of thing. Assuming that all of this info is accurate, that is not borderline mentally abusive, but clearly mentally abusive IMHO. This guy sounds like he has a serious personality disorder. As far as what to do, it is hard to say what to do, because she seems like she has some issues herself. The articles might be a good idea, but she might reject them outright as well. I think you need to try to figure out why she went back to this guy and address that. However, if she doesn't want to be helped out of this situation, it is probably going to be futile.

Edit: I also really wonder why her parents want her to get back with him.

Double Edit: I see that this guy is pulling the wool over their eyes. You might try to talk to them to enlist their help if you are truly worried about this woman's safety, but it sounds like some very murky waters you might be treading into..

Easy Mac
12-05-2005, 07:19 PM
She should have him committed. Sounds harsh, but it seems his roommate would be on her side, and this guy can only cause problems for her. Imagine if she dated someone else, she'd have to fear for their safety. Hell, tell her to just challenge him, if he's that serious about killing himself, nothing she can do will stop him, might as well see if he'll do it. There's still a big leap between cutting and suicide.

Easy Mac
12-05-2005, 07:20 PM
dola,

and just tell her you're worried. Tell her you know they've been together a hell of a lot longer than you've known them, but he's dangerous. Let her know if you telling her this costs you her friendship, so be it, just tell her you're worried.

Raiders Army
12-05-2005, 07:26 PM
Man, that's unreal. I'd agree, tell her to not get back with him. That's a no-brainer.

Schmidty
12-05-2005, 07:27 PM
To me, anyone who dramatically talks about suicide, doesn't really want to commit suicide, they just want attention, ot to guilt-trip someone.

Ryche
12-05-2005, 07:41 PM
Those cuts on the wrists are just cries for attention unless they run along the wrists...cutting across the wrist doesn't accomplish anything except exposing the muscles underneath (yes, I have seen those muscles, on someone else).

You can try providing a safety net against the worst happening, but ultimately she has to make the decision.

ThunderingHERD
12-05-2005, 07:53 PM
I'm guessing she is intoxicated by the drama this guy creates or she would have cut him off completely. Sounds like they deserve each other.

Dutch
12-05-2005, 10:04 PM
To me, anyone who dramatically talks about suicide, doesn't really want to commit suicide, they just want attention, ot to guilt-trip someone.

However, we've gone through a lot of suicide prevention briefings in the Air Force and while most of them are just being dramatic, it's only most of them, not all of them.

Once you add a lot of alchohol or drugs in a person who likes to be dramatic about suicide---that's when "accidents" happen. Best to get that guy to a shrink or something.

As for the girl? She's 18 and hanging with somebody that "somewhat" abuses her in public. She's in for a bad ride if she doesn't see the light.

But regardless, here's hoping for the best of that situation. Keep us up to date.

stevew
12-05-2005, 10:21 PM
I'm guessing she is intoxicated by the drama this guy creates or she would have cut him off completely. Sounds like they deserve each other.
Yep.

This girl is FUBAR, just leave her alone. Suggest to her that both she and her guy get treatment, and then wash your hands of the situation. You'll do nothing but worry about it, and its totally out of your control.

Balldog
12-08-2005, 09:19 PM
Little update, I guess Tuesday night they talked on the phone.

She got a text message from some other girl, who she doesn't know saying that she has been hooking up with him. She called him up and asked him who the fuck is (name). He replied "I am done with you." Then she tells me she thinks the text message is fake because people don't want them to get back together.

She was upset all day Wednesday, but some guy she was dating (and supposedly falling for) for a few months before she decided to try to get back with the ex, sent her a birthday present and she loved it/made her day.

I think she is stopping by tomorrow, I'm going to suggest she gets the ex out of her life or gets out of mine. I already told her she needs to realize she is better than this and deserves better.

I just want to slap her upside the head sometimes.

Draft Dodger
12-08-2005, 09:24 PM
I think she is stopping by tomorrow, I'm going to suggest she gets the ex out of her life or gets out of mine. I already told her she needs to realize she is better than this and deserves better.

I just want to slap her upside the head sometimes.

this covers all the recommendations I would have had, including the slapping part.

Izulde
12-08-2005, 09:51 PM
I think it can still work if he gets a combination of psychotherapy and medication. It's pretty clear from there that he's got a chemical imbalance of some kind.

Izulde
12-08-2005, 09:52 PM
dola,

I have to ask... how old is this guy? My guess is he's somewhere in his 20s.

Flasch186
12-08-2005, 09:54 PM
RUN AWAY!! RUN AWAY!!

Reminds me of the time this girl visited me in LA and dropped this incest abuse story that she was in present day, like, when she went home she would be living in the home where this occurs regularly.......

Well not to sound crass but, she went home early and GF or Fi, whatever you want to call her does not have that drama to drag into my life. I sure hope the other girl has straightened her shit out....mine's fine.