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Coffee Warlord

12-23-2005, 12:38 PM

Werewolf haters cry, it's another one!

Up into the mountains, a horrible gateway is on the verge of being opened to a distance place. Magic has gone awry, the ancient seals that protects humankind from this terrible evil have been heavily weakened. Those who have bonded with the Demons move into action, slipping themselves into the key places to pave the way for their masters arrival. The few remaining mages, sacrificing themselves to reinforce the power of their magic, seal off the entirety of the fortress. None may enter or exit until the threat has been ended. Unfortunately, the now-dead mages did not bother to tell anyone else about this predicament they thrust you all in. None are safe from the reckoning. Evil must be purged from this castle, or all is lost. Unless you are evil. Then it's time to get rid of those pesky good-for-nothing soldiers.

But there's more. Those strange, enigmatic creatures known only as the Elementals have taken a keen interest in this event. Clearly they have seen the possible re-emergence of demonkind into this world. However, their motives, as always, are unclear at best. The only possible hope for either side is to curry their favor with sacrifice. Perhaps they are the key to winning this conflict!

The Humans
The force of good, happiness, cheese, and all things shiny. The humans must find those among them who would tear open the gateway and allow the demons entry into this world. Luckily, this being a key defensive outpost, many of both military and magical skill are located here. Unfortunately, with everyone being a suspect, their skills and allegiances are unknown. There is one bit of good news, though. A demonic servant dies in both a spectacular and gruesome way, making their exit from this world quite obvious to any observer. Now if we could just find out who is who...

The Demon Servants
You sold your soul for power, you were promised immortality upon the return of your masters, and that moment is almost upon you. You have hidden your allegiances for ages, and now just a few goody two shoes stand between you and immortality. You may once again laugh maniacally without fear of persecution. You will be able to kick old people whenever you want. No one will tell you when to clean your room. Oh yes, soon you will have it all.

The Elementals
Immortal creatures of immense power, and immense enigma. Most people who have tried to understand them have long since gone stark-raving made. They are big, they are powerful, and they are there. Why they have taken interest in this event is uncertain, but what IS known about them is they can be appeased by certain sacrifice. If one of proper magical skill sacrifices the right living creature a the proper time of night, the Elementals just may grant that side a Favor. As for what they get out of the deal...who knows.

That said, while they are immortal in the sense that they do not die of age/disease, these creatures can be killed, though it is not easy. An elemental being threatened (ie - is lynched or murdered) will immediatly revert to their natural form, with the ensuing wave of power preventing their demise. However, once they have been reduced to their true form, they may be executed by either side at their leisure. Of course, also note, they can expend their vast powers in other ways. Pissing off an elemental is a sure way of getting yourself killed.

(In plain english, elementals ignore the first lynch vote OR night kill directed their way. Their role is revealed when it happens, and then they are just as vulnerable as anyone else. In futher plain english, they also have a once-per-game-per-elemental power to flat out kill another player.)

The Druid / Warlock
On each of the two main sides, there exists one player (who both are known to the Elementals) who has the power to sacrifice an animal once per night to the Elementals. Every night, the Elementals, being the wild and crazy creatures they are, decide among themselves what they would like to have sacrificed to them. If the Druid or the Warlock has chosen wisely and sacrificed the proper beast, their side will receive a Favor (tm). These favors come in various shapes and sizes, and will mostly benefit that side (some more than others). They last for a maximum of 1 turn (some are one shots, some last a night, some last a day, some last a full day/night phase), and the general effects are kept secret except to those involved.

(In plain english, the druid/warlock chooses an animal from a provided list. If they choose the animal the Elementals chose as their 'preferred' creature, they get a Favor. If they don't, they get nothing that night.)

Victory Conditions
Humans: Execute all Demons Servants.
Demons: Achieve a 1:1 ratio with Humans. Elementals are NOT counted as humans.
Elementals: Secret.

Rules
Two phases, Day and Night. 12/24 Hour Deadlines will be in effect. After Night(0), there will be 24 hours until the lynching deadline, then once the lynch post is made there will be 12 hours until the Night phase ends. Rinse, repeat.

Most players have a special role, though some do not. The special roles will NOT be revealed on death (on either side), with the exception of the Druid/Warlock. Note, special role or not, the SIDE the player is on will be revealed, just not their powers (if any). Also note, players without a special role MAY gain a special power during the course of the game, if certain things happen.

During the Day phase, everyone votes to lynch one player, as per normal werewolf games.

In the event of a tie, special (and secret) rules will apply.

Votes not in bold DO NOT COUNT.

Votes on an edited post DO NOT COUNT.

Votes after the deadline DO NOT COUNT.

Please unvote and re-vote in DIFFERENT posts, for my sanity.

During the Night phase, the Demons conspire to kill one player, and all players may use their Night actions, if any.

Warning: Do not PM with the dead players. They may still have an active role in this game after being executed. And if you ARE killed, don't go away. You may still have a part to play.

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Signups are now open. The game will not start till at least Tuesday, but it will further not start till the current WW game ends. We'll see what everyone's thoughts are on starting day.

This game is condusive to being fairly good sized, and a lot of goofy shit can go down, because, well, I've enjoyed the weird games played in the past. :)

In Like Flynn
1) Ardent Enthusiast
2) Blade6119
3) Schmidty
4) Dacman
5) Hoopsguy
6) SnDvls
7) Passacaglia
8) Path12
9) St cronin
10) Grammaticus
11) TazFTW
12) Saldana
13) WVUFAN
14) Kingfc22
15) Barkeep49
16) dubb93

Alternates
1)
2)
3)

Poli

12-23-2005, 12:40 PM

In. Gimme a good role, dang it.

Blade6119

12-23-2005, 12:43 PM

im in too....saldana wont be happy about this...he was just putting the finishing touches on the rules for a game of his own

Schmidty

12-23-2005, 12:43 PM

I really want in on this. I'll be in California most of next week (through Friday), but I'll have internet access at the in-laws. I won't be able to spend hours and hours online, but enough to strategize and cast my vote.

So I'm in.

Coffee Warlord

12-23-2005, 12:46 PM

im in too....saldana wont be happy about this...he was just putting the finishing touches on the rules for a game of his own

Heh, he gets the notorious XX then. I've been mucking around with this one for a few weeks now.

dacman

12-23-2005, 12:48 PM

YO!

Blade6119

12-23-2005, 12:49 PM

Doesnt your title say WW 9? i might be mistaken, since i knew the other one going on is 18, but IX looks like 9 and not 19

Coffee Warlord

12-23-2005, 12:49 PM

Doesnt your title say WW 9? i might be mistaken, since i knew the other one going on is 18, but IX looks like 9 and not 19

Whoooops

hoopsguy

12-23-2005, 12:49 PM

Good stuff - sounds like we have a few games in the pipeline from some new DMs.

I was planning to sit a few out after being viewed/eaten Day 1 the past couple of games but the idea to extend playing time after death makes me want to give this a spin. So lets give this a shot.

SnDvls

12-23-2005, 12:52 PM

looks like a hell of a ride....IN

Blade6119

12-23-2005, 12:54 PM

Coffee Warlord

12-23-2005, 12:54 PM

I dont see the post death in the rules...what am i missing?

The big bolded thing. :)

Warning: Do not PM with the dead players. They may still have an active role in this game after being executed. And if you ARE killed, don't go away. You may still have a part to play.

Poli

12-23-2005, 12:56 PM

I knew I should have stopped by the Warlord's last night.

Passacaglia

12-23-2005, 02:09 PM

In.

path12

12-23-2005, 03:30 PM

I'd like to finally give it a shot.....

st.cronin

12-23-2005, 05:21 PM

in like Doug Flynn

Grammaticus

12-23-2005, 05:49 PM

I'll play

TazFTW

12-23-2005, 06:00 PM

I want in.

saldana

12-23-2005, 06:55 PM

bastard....i was waiting until the other game was over to post my signups! it'll keep though, and i can do a little more refinement while i play this one.

i'm in

WVUFAN

12-23-2005, 07:52 PM

I'd love to play.

kingfc22

12-23-2005, 08:06 PM

Coffee Warlord

12-23-2005, 09:17 PM

bastard....i was waiting until the other game was over to post my signups! it'll keep though, and i can do a little more refinement while i play this one.

i'm in

Ironically, that was the exact reason I decided to post my signups a little early. I was gonna wait, then decided it might be best to do it before someone else snapped up the next game. :)

Barkeep49

12-23-2005, 09:38 PM

I'm in. And I'm glad we have this game and another in front of us since that should allow me time to perfect my next game where NO one starts as a werewolf.

dubb93

12-23-2005, 10:41 PM

I see RPI lurking. I'll let him take the last spot and I'll take 1st alternate.

Coffee Warlord

12-23-2005, 10:46 PM

I see RPI lurking. I'll let him take the last spot and I'll take 1st alternate.

Sure? He ain't lurking no more. :)

edit: You're listed as an alternate until either you or someone else snaps up the last spot.

dubb93

12-23-2005, 10:49 PM

Sure? He ain't lurking no more. :)

Go ahead and give me the last spot then.

Coffee Warlord

12-23-2005, 10:52 PM

I may open up 1 or 2 more spots if there's additional interest, but we'll see. 16 looks pretty decent on running the numbers, though a couple more shouldn't have much affect.

saldana

12-24-2005, 11:11 AM

Go ahead and give me the last spot then.

can i vote for dubb before the game even starts :D

Coffee Warlord

12-26-2005, 09:32 AM

So...you guys wanna kick this off tomorrow (Tuesday), or do you wanna wait till the other WW is over?

st.cronin

12-26-2005, 09:36 AM

So...you guys wanna kick this off tomorrow (Tuesday), or do you wanna wait till the other WW is over?

What other game? ;)

SnDvls

12-26-2005, 10:05 AM

I'd say wait as there are several players here who are still active in the other game too.

path12

12-26-2005, 01:24 PM

I'd vote Tuesday but of course I'm not in the other game....

Blade6119

12-26-2005, 04:23 PM

Im in the other game and id say start as soon as possible...the other game is winding down and will be over in a few days(day even maybe)...just start soon

Coffee Warlord

12-26-2005, 05:36 PM

Roles will go out tomorrow, Night 0 Actions will be due Wednesday at 9am (CST), at which point Day 1 commences.

The last sign up will be open until approximately 9am tomorrow (Tuesday) morning, which is when I'll be assigning roles.

Coffee Warlord

12-27-2005, 08:55 AM

Roles Have Been Sent!

Night 0 Actions Due 9am CST, 12/28

Day 1 will run 24 hours as well, at which point the 24/12 schedule commences.

By the way, if anyone is wondering, there is no Night 0 Kill.

SnDvls

12-27-2005, 09:05 AM

Normal human checking in.

saldana

12-27-2005, 10:23 AM

normal human standing up to be counted.

Grammaticus

12-27-2005, 10:27 AM

Vanilla human checking in

path12

12-27-2005, 10:56 AM

Normal human reporting.

Passacaglia

12-27-2005, 12:48 PM

Human here.

WVUFAN

12-27-2005, 12:51 PM

Human reporting.

st.cronin

12-27-2005, 12:54 PM

This human predicts that this game will be way confuzzling.

:D

Blade6119

12-27-2005, 01:12 PM

Human, over and out

hoopsguy

12-27-2005, 01:17 PM

Blade6119

12-27-2005, 02:05 PM

Present and accounted for.

And I don't believe that everyone checking in before me is human, but I understand stating this is part of the drill ...

Human checking in.

Hope there is an empath role in the game who can put the pressure on people later on with these statements.

I dont know if i believe everyone who checked in after me is telling the truth....thats means i should watch hoops and hoops ;)

dubb93

12-27-2005, 02:16 PM

human here. can't wait for the goofy shit i was promised.

hoopsguy

12-27-2005, 02:21 PM

I dont know if i believe everyone who checked in after me is telling the truth....thats means i should watch hoops and hoops

Wouldn't expect otherwise, Blade. I expect you to indicate me as a "suspect wolf" at least twice each day that we are both alive :p

Looking forward to making a list and checking it twice ...

Coffee Warlord

12-27-2005, 02:58 PM

human here. can't wait for the goofy shit i was promised.

Believe me, neither can I. :D

kingfc22

12-27-2005, 03:02 PM

Let's send these demons back to hell!

hoopsguy

12-27-2005, 03:19 PM

OK, first game-related question for discussion.

If an elemental is revealed after shrugging of a lynching/night kill is there any reason for either side to take this entity down? Without understanding the nature of "favors" it is hard to determine where the value-add would be.

CW, when an elemental is revealed do we learn if he is the "human" or "demon" elemental? Or just an elemental and it is up to us to discern which one?

Passacaglia

12-27-2005, 03:24 PM

I was under the impression that elementals weren't human or demon -- they were their own thing. I could be wrong, though.

Coffee Warlord

12-27-2005, 03:26 PM

CW, when an elemental is revealed do we learn if he is the "human" or "demon" elemental? Or just an elemental and it is up to us to discern which one?

The elementals are not affiliated with either side. They are independant entities who help/hinder both sides, and have their own agendas.

If you're speaking of the Druid/Warlock (the "mortal" player on both sides who actually try and barter favors from the elementals), yes. The Druid is on the Human side, the Warlock is the Demonic equivalent.

Edit: Those 2 (the druid and the warlock) are the ONLY "special" roles that will be revealed. For everyone else, they will simply be labeled "Human" or "Demon" (along an appropriate description of their death, which may give some clues, but I will never flat out say/describe a role upon death except for those two.)

hoopsguy

12-27-2005, 03:32 PM

CW, thanks for the clarification. It was indeed the druid/warlock descriptions that I had stuck in my mind for the elementals in terms of good/evil roles.

OK, so lets explore the warlock/druid roles with the elemental(s) ...

If both the warlock and druid sacrifice correctly and there is only one elemental would both sides gain a favor? Or would only one favor be granted?

Coffee Warlord

12-27-2005, 03:35 PM

Coffee Warlord

12-27-2005, 03:42 PM

By the way, I will be out most of the evening tonight. I'll try and field everyone's questions when I get back tonight, but I have no idea when that will be.

To field one question which has already been asked by PM...yes, sacrifice actions WILL take place on night 0, so I need those sent to me.

Blade6119

12-27-2005, 03:45 PM

Im guessing two elementals, 1 druid/warolock(1 of each), 2 other demons, and 8 humans...of those id say 3-4 have special roles(doctor, seer, etc.) so were really only looking at like 3-4 normal villagers...if im right, we already have a lot of liers...

As for the elementals, once they are killed once i think they might still be a good kill somewhat as they have their own agendas...their agendas could differ from our vastly....id still say take a shot for a demon though.

Time for me to review the player list to myself to review past games playing styles and contrast with this one

Grammaticus

12-27-2005, 04:29 PM

Poli

12-27-2005, 05:33 PM

Just a normal ardent checking in.

path12

12-27-2005, 05:59 PM

Im guessing two elementals, 1 druid/warolock(1 of each), 2 other demons, and 8 humans...of those id say 3-4 have special roles(doctor, seer, etc.) so were really only looking at like 3-4 normal villagers...if im right, we already have a lot of liers...

As for the elementals, once they are killed once i think they might still be a good kill somewhat as they have their own agendas...their agendas could differ from our vastly....id still say take a shot for a demon though.

I'd think there would be more than two demons, if we got lucky and got one right away you'd think there'd be more than one backup.

But this is my first game, so really I don't know what the hell I'm talking about. :D

hoopsguy

12-27-2005, 06:10 PM

CW, I assume that the druid counts as a human and the warlock counts as a demon? Or are they both counted as humans in the 1:1 ratio, with the warlock being a human working for the demons?

Coffee Warlord

12-27-2005, 06:13 PM

CW, I assume that the druid counts as a human and the warlock counts as a demon? Or are they both counted as humans in the 1:1 ratio, with the warlock being a human working for the demons?

Druid = Human, counted as human.

Warlock = Demon, counted as demon, is a demon, just with an extra job.

Barkeep49

12-27-2005, 06:14 PM

Well I'm checking in. But I call BS on all these people claiming to be simple villagers. I think in this game there are few, if any, simple villagers.

Barkeep49

12-27-2005, 06:15 PM

Dola: My guess is 2 elementals, 3 demons, and the rest humans. Although I think there could easily be 1 more elemental or demon (though not both).

Poli

12-27-2005, 06:22 PM

I'd guess 3 elementals, 3 demons and the rest villagers.

I'd guess if the druid and warlock have to sac something and the elementals have to agree beforehand, that there would have to be something of a simple majority setup at least in the beginning.

Maybe, dunno. Just throwing it out there.

Coffee Warlord

12-27-2005, 06:25 PM

Looks like my plans fell through tonight. But...

BTW, are we on strict timelines or will stuff be put out as it arrives?

The day votes are on strict timelines. Night actions will be processed early if I have everything. I'll give it a short while after all actions come in, in case someone changes their mind, but if everything gets in early, I'll run the night early.

path12

12-27-2005, 06:25 PM

Dola: My guess is 2 elementals, 3 demons, and the rest humans. Although I think there could easily be 1 more elemental or demon (though not both).

That makes more sense to me (especially once it was clarified that the Warlock is a demon with an extra ability). I wonder about three elementals -- they already get one free pass and the ability to make a kill (which it would seem likely to do immediately after being identified), plus the "vast power" that CW mentioned at the top which it would make sense to think that there are some sort of additional self-preservation secret power. So basically, I'm thinking that they're powerful enough to only be two of them.

And as I typed that, it occured to me to wonder if it's a good idea for me to be speculating about this....... ;)

Poli

12-27-2005, 06:26 PM

No kidding, I thought the same thing.

WVUFAN

12-27-2005, 06:38 PM

Out of curiosity, how do the Elementals "win" the game, or are they just unique beings in the game that have a role, but not one to win or lose?

Barkeep49

12-27-2005, 06:39 PM

This talk about the elementals power ignores that we don't know what the victory condition is for the elementals. I agree that they seem rather powerful, but I trust CW to have made something about their victory condition to equalize things.

Blade6119

12-27-2005, 06:46 PM

Im guessing two elementals, 1 druid/warolock(1 of each), 2 other demons, and 8 humans...

Dola: My guess is 2 elementals, 3 demons, and the rest humans. Although I think there could easily be 1 more elemental or demon (though not both).

LOL, just repeating me without acknowledging(i cant spell that word) me is called plagiarism...i can sue you now :)

Barkeep49

12-27-2005, 06:52 PM

LOL, just repeating me without acknowledging(i cant spell that word) me is called plagiarism...i can sue you now :)
Pfft. You're just jealous someone said they agreed with me instead of you :).

Coffee Warlord

12-27-2005, 06:53 PM

LOL, just repeating me without acknowledging(i cant spell that word) me is called plagiarism...i can sue you now :)

Wait a minute. You're still alive? :)

st.cronin

12-27-2005, 07:09 PM

Studying the rules ... I think I understood the last game fairly well, but this one is, um, quite a bit *wrinkled* compared to the others.

Coffee Warlord

12-27-2005, 08:07 PM

As the sun slowly rises admist the snow capped mountains, the remaining guardians of this fortress commence their unenviable task of hunting down the traitors. Who will be the first to go? And more importantly...will the forces of good kill one of their own, or will they manage to track down those who would unleash the minions of Hell?

As the gathered forces assemble for the first of many days, there is already a sign of carnage. Well, if you count a pair of dead animals carnage.

Atop a stone altar, a mass of filthy, bloody stained fur, the rapidly decaying remains of a Yak lay silent. Was it a diseased yak, worthy of mounting? Was it an offer worthy of the elementals? Only the great powers know.

Skewered across a blood-inscribed pentagram is the rotting carcass of a Goat. While it is not nearly as awe-inspiring as the might of the Yak, the potent Goat-esqueness of the offering cannot be ignored. But, while mere mortals could be impressed by this, were the elementals?

Let the games begin.

DAY 1 DEADLINE, LYNCH VOTES DUE 9am CST THURSDAY

Barkeep49

12-27-2005, 08:12 PM

Barring other revelations I once again will be voting for a nonparticipant on Day 1. So far that leaves:

3) Schmidty
4) Dacman
11) TazFTW

Poli

12-27-2005, 08:24 PM

Atop a stone altar, a mass of filthy, bloody stained fur, the rapidly decaying remains of a Yak lay silent. Was it a diseased yak, worthy of mounting?
Priceless.

Poli

12-27-2005, 08:30 PM

Barring other revelations I once again will be voting for a nonparticipant on Day 1. So far that leaves:

3) Schmidty
4) Dacman
11) TazFTW
I'm all for it. I'm weary of voting early, as I don't want to incur (is that the right word/right use of the word?) the wrath of the elementals.

Barkeep49

12-27-2005, 08:36 PM

I'm all for it. I'm weary of voting early, as I don't want to incur (is that the right word/right use of the word?) the wrath of the elementals.
I'm amazed based on your rules then that you haven't cast your Schmidty vote :).

Poli

12-27-2005, 08:38 PM

I'd like to...but like I said, if Schmidty turns out to be an elemental, I don't want to be Kentucky Fried Ardent, we do Ardent right.

st.cronin

12-27-2005, 08:55 PM

I used a random number generator to come up with my day 1 vote

VOTE HOOPSGUY

hoopsguy

12-27-2005, 09:15 PM

I hate being the random number on Day 1 votes. I'm never sure if it is BS with a wolf/demon voting for me or if someone is actually using a random number generator.

No strong opinions as of yet so I'll hold off on any votes.

WVUFAN

12-27-2005, 09:18 PM

I VOTE BLADE, for he is crafty, and crafty is evil. Therefore, he is a demon, since Demon are evil.

st.cronin

12-27-2005, 09:25 PM

I VOTE BLADE, for he is crafty, and crafty is evil. Therefore, he is a demon, since Demon are evil.

LOL

hoopsguy

12-27-2005, 09:43 PM

Some serious use of the transitive property there ...

Passacaglia

12-27-2005, 09:44 PM

Barring other revelations I once again will be voting for a nonparticipant on Day 1. So far that leaves:

3) Schmidty
4) Dacman
11) TazFTW

This sounds good to me. I'll see how that develops.

Grammaticus

12-27-2005, 09:50 PM

Priceless.
No kidding, I'm not mounting any Yaks :eek:

path12

12-27-2005, 09:55 PM

Pfft. You're just jealous someone said they agreed with me instead of you :).

Someone? Jeez, I know I don't post much and all, but damn, that's cold. :D

WVUFAN

12-27-2005, 09:55 PM

I VOTE BLADE, for he is crafty, and crafty is evil. Therefore, he is a demon, since Demon are evil.LOLYeah, it should read "since DEMONS are evil", and I realized my mistake, but it seems rather silly to re-input a new message to insert one letter.

But it did make me look rather idiotic, I admit. Sorry about that. :D

hoopsguy

12-27-2005, 09:56 PM

The goat is getting no love here. As the man said,
the potent Goat-esqueness of the offering cannot be ignored.

Grammaticus

12-27-2005, 10:02 PM

The goat is getting no love here. As the man said,

Alright, I'm not mounting any goats either!

Poli

12-27-2005, 10:08 PM

The goat is getting no love here. As the man said,I'll give the goat props, but I think the yak was better.

Meh, I might as well vote before the night is over.

No offense, Schmidty. If you're an elemental, please don't cook me over this. I haven't been obeying my rules lately.

VOTE SCHMIDTY

dubb93

12-27-2005, 10:26 PM

dubb93

12-27-2005, 10:28 PM

No offense, Schmidty. If you're an elemental, please don't cook me over this. I haven't been obeying my rules lately.

Do you know something I don't know? I have no clue what the elemental's can do, why do you believe they can kill you? I don't fear them, that is the place for the druid/warlock.

st.cronin

12-27-2005, 10:33 PM

Not sure why we are casting votes so early, but I don't really want to be late to the party. I'm going to

VOTE ST. CRONIN

Random number generators have no place in this game. I hate them, get no read off of them, and think they are stupid.

Day 1 votes are meaningless (or have been in every game so far). It's the votes and discussion about the votes that gives insight.

If you have something else to go by, by all means put it out there.

Barkeep49

12-27-2005, 10:36 PM

Random number generators have no place in this game.

I disagree. I think it's the best way for a GM to assign roles :D.

Poli

12-27-2005, 10:42 PM

Do you know something I don't know? I have no clue what the elemental's can do, why do you believe they can kill you? I don't fear them, that is the place for the druid/warlock.

(In futher plain english, they also have a once-per-game-per-elemental power to flat out kill another player.)
Thus, I don't want to make an elemental mad at me.

dubb93

12-27-2005, 11:03 PM

I disagree. I think it's the best way for a GM to assign roles :D.

I further disagree. When I run a game I'm going to do the tried and true names in one hat, roles in the other hat. I don't trust random number generators.

Coffee Warlord

12-27-2005, 11:04 PM

I further disagree. When I run a game I'm going to do the tried and true names in one hat, roles in the other hat. I don't trust random number generators.

Obviously you don't have MY random number generator then. :)

dubb93

12-27-2005, 11:04 PM

Thus, I don't want to make an elemental mad at me.

AH, I overlooked that. Still, I'm sure they will use the kills to meet their victory conditions late in the game, not early b/c you were the first to vote for them.

st.cronin

12-27-2005, 11:05 PM

I further disagree. When I run a game I'm going to do the tried and true names in one hat, roles in the other hat. I don't trust random number generators.

That *is* a random number generator.

My random # generator was a 6 sided die, tossed twice.

Poli

12-27-2005, 11:07 PM

AH, I overlooked that. Still, I'm sure they will use the kills to meet their victory conditions late in the game, not early b/c you were the first to vote for them.
I don't know. I'd probably kill Schmidty just to spite.

Just kidding, Schmidty. You're my boy, blue.

Barkeep49

12-27-2005, 11:13 PM

That *is* a random number generator.

My random # generator was a 6 sided die, tossed twice.
UGH! That's not random at all.

hoopsguy

12-27-2005, 11:13 PM

Random number generators have no place in this game. I hate them, get no read off of them, and think they are stupid.

Dubb, I knew there was a reason I liked you in this game. Glad to see that I have an ally in hating the random number generator.

Still not looking to vote yet. I don't see any reason in the rules to get in early. And with Day 1 being pretty random I would like to take my time and see what may develop.

TazFTW

12-27-2005, 11:14 PM

Taz checking in from the time suck that is Civ IV.

st.cronin

12-27-2005, 11:19 PM

UGH! That's not random at all.

no? explain, please

kingfc22

12-27-2005, 11:19 PM

A yak and a goat. Anyone know who here likes goats? That would lead us to a demon if you do.

Poli

12-27-2005, 11:24 PM

You know someone other than Coffee Warlord that likes yaks?

Barkeep49

12-27-2005, 11:39 PM

no? explain, please
Because rolling 2d6 produces a much higher liklihood that numbers in the middle will be rolled than numbers that are very high or very low. For instnace the most common number that will be rolled with 2d6 is 7. There is a 1 in 6 chance that this will be rolled while only a 1 in 36 chance that a 2 or 12 will be rolled.

hoopsguy

12-27-2005, 11:41 PM

If 2d6 becomes the random number generator of choice I will request the last slot for all games going forward.

st.cronin

12-27-2005, 11:45 PM

Because rolling 2d6 produces a much higher liklihood that numbers in the middle will be rolled than numbers that are very high or very low. For instnace the most common number that will be rolled with 2d6 is 7. There is a 1 in 6 chance that this will be rolled while only a 1 in 36 chance that a 2 or 12 will be rolled.

that's not what i said, and not what i did

I rolled 1 die once to determine a group of 6 (1-2 = 1-6, 3-4 = 7-12, and 5-6 = 13-18), then tossed it again to pick one in that group.

I think that should have worked just fine.

Barkeep49

12-27-2005, 11:50 PM

Ahh. That does indeed produce a 1 in 18 chance.

Barkeep49

12-27-2005, 11:51 PM

Well almost consideirng that whichever group you were in had a slightly better chance of being chosen as you would not vote for yourself.

Poli

12-27-2005, 11:53 PM

That went over my head. Maybe it's time for bed.

st.cronin

12-27-2005, 11:55 PM

Well almost consideirng that whichever group you were in had a slightly better chance of being chosen as you would not vote for yourself.

In that case, I had planned on starting again with the first roll, which I think makes it a 1/17 chance ...

I still don't see anything else to go on.

Barkeep49

12-27-2005, 11:56 PM

Well cronin that does seem to produce a 1/17 chance. Thanks for the chance for me to practice some of my long ago studied stats skills. :)

Blade6119

12-28-2005, 12:22 AM

I VOTE BLADE, for he is crafty, and crafty is evil. Therefore, he is a demon, since Demon are evil.
Didnt you just pwn me as a wolf? :( Sorry i got lucky, im quite certain ill do quite terrible this go around. Note that I had a nice game when hoops wasnt playing...now that he is im sure ill revert to true Blade form and vehemently accuse of being a bad guy both the seer and the doctor, as well as a few villagers.

But to be ever so kind for pwning me last game(i knew barkeep, you werent on my list)

VOTE WVUFAN

SnDvls

12-28-2005, 12:34 AM

wow lots of talk about dice and stuff...

just got back from the ASU/RU Insight Bowl.

I need to reread for the yak & goat stuff again seems I missed it.

SnDvls

12-28-2005, 12:37 AM

Atop a stone altar, a mass of filthy, bloody stained fur, the rapidly decaying remains of a Yak lay silent. Was it a diseased yak, worthy of mounting? Was it an offer worthy of the elementals? Only the great powers know.

Skewered across a blood-inscribed pentagram is the rotting carcass of a Goat. While it is not nearly as awe-inspiring as the might of the Yak, the potent Goat-esqueness of the offering cannot be ignored. But, while mere mortals could be impressed by this, were the elementals?

bolded by me...did anyone else pick up on this?
my guess is the deamons get the pentagram since it is associated with evil right?

hoopsguy

12-28-2005, 12:41 AM

SnDvls, do you have any inkling how the altar vs pentagram would help us in the game? I agree with your premise, just not sure how to apply it in a pro-human manner.

SnDvls

12-28-2005, 12:47 AM

SnDvls, do you have any inkling how the altar vs pentagram would help us in the game? I agree with your premise, just not sure how to apply it in a pro-human manner.

no none really, just happened to stick out to me I guess. Mabey it's just CW's creative writing that got to me. It's quarter to 12 here now I better get to bed gotta work tomorrow.

Blade6119

12-28-2005, 12:56 AM

SnDvls, do you have any inkling how the altar vs pentagram would help us in the game? I agree with your premise, just not sure how to apply it in a pro-human manner.

id be betting its just how coffee differentiates the good(stone alter) from bad(blood laden pentagram)...from that id take our guy did the yak, theirs the goat, and id assume from hes writing ours was more the the elementals liking though thats pure speculation...i think, until our druid comes out and tells us(which i hope he never does as the bad guys will kill him), the meaning of all this remain a secret. Honestly, id just hope the yak was what the elementals wnated and go about day one, as coffee made it clear in the rules even if we did gain favor it would only be known to those involved(druid/warlock i presume). Just hope our guy does a good job picking animals

Grammaticus

12-28-2005, 01:04 AM

id be betting its just how coffee differentiates the good(stone alter) from bad(blood laden pentagram)...from that id take our guy did the yak, theirs the goat, and id assume from hes writing ours was more the the elementals liking though thats pure speculation...i think, until our druid comes out and tells us(which i hope he never does as the bad guys will kill him), the meaning of all this remain a secret. Honestly, id just hope the yak was what the elementals wnated and go about day one, as coffee made it clear in the rules even if we did gain favor it would only be known to those involved(druid/warlock i presume). Just hope our guy does a good job picking animals
How can you tell ours was more to the elementals liking? I pretty much got, the same nuetral tone from both.

Blade6119

12-28-2005, 01:17 AM

Skewered across a blood-inscribed pentagram is the rotting carcass of a Goat. While it is not nearly as awe-inspiring as the might of the Yak, the potent Goat-esqueness of the offering cannot be ignored. But, while mere mortals could be impressed by this, were the elementals?

Merely my guess at his writing, could be off based entirely

saldana

12-28-2005, 01:24 AM

i thought i missed something huge when i saw the number of posts since the last time i checked the thread, too bad most of it was about shooting craps. at the risk of being accused later of piling on late, i am going to hold off my random number generator generated vote until a bit more yaking (pun intended) goes on since we have more than a day until the deadline.

Grammaticus

12-28-2005, 01:52 AM

Merely my guess at his writing, could be off based entirely
Oh, maybe it does, I just thought it was because a Yak is so much larger than a goat. Of course, the Yak makes me think of Apocalypse Now.

Coffee Warlord

12-28-2005, 08:29 AM

And we open this morning, and a lonnnnnng voting cycle with the current mess of a count.

1 - Hoopsguy
1 - Blade
1 - Schmidty
1 - St.Cronin
1 - WVUFAN

All hail the yak.

Poli

12-28-2005, 08:45 AM

bolded by me...did anyone else pick up on this?
my guess is the deamons get the pentagram since it is associated with evil right?Good catch. I guess I found the rest of it so funny I didn't notice that.

Poli

12-28-2005, 08:47 AM

When does the current vote end?

Coffee Warlord

12-28-2005, 08:49 AM

Not for another 24 hours. Long ass vote, due to the fact that everyone got their night actions in so early last night.

Grammaticus

12-28-2005, 10:40 AM

Well, as far as votes go, I'm gonna just throw one out for one of the really quite people

VOTE DACMAN

Can't really think of a better reason to vote for someone at this point.

Passacaglia

12-28-2005, 10:40 AM

Well, we're down to two who haven't shown up yet. Schmidty has a vote on him already, but dacman doesn't.

VOTE DACMAN

Poli

12-28-2005, 10:40 AM

Erie.

Barkeep49

12-28-2005, 10:45 AM

Well to round out the trio of no shows to this point:

Vote TazTFW

Passacaglia

12-28-2005, 10:46 AM

I thought Taz showed up, Barkeep.

Passacaglia

12-28-2005, 10:46 AM

Yeah, post 104. Not much, but he's here. Just for the record.

path12

12-28-2005, 10:48 AM

As good a pick as any, I guess.

VOTE DACMAN

saldana

12-28-2005, 10:51 AM

and the wheels start to roll on the bandwagon....again, with 24 hours to go, i am still going to reserve judgement.

Barkeep49

12-28-2005, 10:51 AM

Voting's going to inflate my post count in this game more than normal.

Unvote TazTFW

Barkeep49

12-28-2005, 10:52 AM

To vote for someone who ACTUALLY hasn't shown up and to keep things from bandwagoning

Vote Schmidity

Poli

12-28-2005, 10:53 AM

Well, that makes me a little uncomfortable. I don't like my first day vote to really count for anything. I don't like having a hand in the first day kill, as it's almost always someone innocent.

SnDvls

12-28-2005, 11:14 AM

vote update to help everyone out

1 - Hoopsguy
1 - Blade
2 - Schmidty
1 - St.Cronin
1 - WVUFAN
3 - Dacman

it's still day 1 so I'm holding out that something else comes around in the next few hours.

Coffee Warlord

12-28-2005, 11:26 AM

Question. While I'm not going to change the deadline this time around, would you rather I monkey'd with the deadlines if the night actions go through early? Always gonna keep a 24 hour day, but, if like last night night actions get to me at 9pm, do a 24 hour run from there. Or, stick to the current more rigid schedule?

Only reason I'm hesistant to make it a quasi 'roving' schedule is the fact that a "standard" 9am to 9pm night action window seems like it'd be more convenient than a 9pm to 9am run.

Lemme know what ya'll think there.

Grammaticus

12-28-2005, 11:34 AM

Well, that makes me a little uncomfortable. I don't like my first day vote to really count for anything. I don't like having a hand in the first day kill, as it's almost always someone innocent.
Yeah, I don't really like that either. Makes you feel like you are making a mistake or other people think you are up to something.

Well, I just saw Dacman reading the thread and he left without a post. So, I'm sure he will speak up at some point. Basically, he is around.

Poli

12-28-2005, 11:37 AM

Blade6119

12-28-2005, 11:39 AM

All hail the yak.

Anyone else think that means the villagers got favor today??

Poli

12-28-2005, 11:41 AM

After rereading it (thanks to whoever pointed out the stone altar and the pentagram thing), I think the yak may have been a winner.

Grammaticus

12-28-2005, 11:42 AM

Barkeep49

12-28-2005, 11:44 AM

I wouldn't want a morning deadline earlier than 9 but earlier night deadlines can work for me.

Blade6119

12-28-2005, 11:46 AM

UNVOTE WVUFAN

Im leaning to Passacaglia and King...bot are usually quiet and have been thus far...

Blade6119

12-28-2005, 11:46 AM

VOTE PASSACAGLIA

Poli

12-28-2005, 11:47 AM

I wonder what would happen if we were all tied. Would the elementals draw straws? :)

dacman

12-28-2005, 11:48 AM

Poli

12-28-2005, 11:48 AM

I've also wondered if we may have hidden roles in our midst.

Passacaglia

12-28-2005, 11:54 AM

Well, since dacman is here, I'll unvote him.

UNVOTE DACMAN

Passacaglia

12-28-2005, 11:55 AM

I don't really see myself as unusually quiet.

VOTE BLADE6119

Coffee Warlord

12-28-2005, 11:56 AM

Update (just cause I wanna get a marker in for my file)

1 - Hoopsguy
2 - Blade6119
2 - Schmidty
1 - St.Cronin
2 - Dacman
1 - Passacaglia
1 - Grammaticus

Goats need love too.

st.cronin

12-28-2005, 11:57 AM

I've also wondered if we may have hidden roles in our midst.

I thought Coffee pretty much announced that there were going to be hidden roles, both at the start, and added throughout the game. Not sure what they might be, although it seems that the theme for this game was inspired by Robert Jordan's books.

Poli

12-28-2005, 11:58 AM

UNVOTE SCHMIDTY.

I refuse to be the reason someone is lynched on day 1.

Poli

12-28-2005, 11:58 AM

I thought Coffee pretty much announced that there were going to be hidden roles, both at the start, and added throughout the game. Not sure what they might be, although it seems that the theme for this game was inspired by Robert Jordan's books.
I probably missed the posts, then.

Grammaticus

12-28-2005, 12:12 PM

Well, I'm here -- I had no idea this game would get started so soon. I still can't quite figure out exactly how this one works, particularly the elementals part. Should we be trying to figure out who they are? Would lynching them be a good thing, a bad thing? :confused:Also, does anyone know or have thoughts on whether or not the elementals have a third set of victory conditions? If you lynch an elemental and they are exposed, does that give them any additional powers?

st.cronin

12-28-2005, 12:18 PM

It just says 'secret' in the rules (iirc). I can't even imagine what that means.

hoopsguy

12-28-2005, 02:24 PM

Very quiet here today - not giving me much to work with. Not that Day 1 is known for all kinds of rich information most of the time ...

Lets see what happens when we turn the heat up a little bit on a player I really have no feel for one way or the other:

VOTE DACMAN

Poli

12-28-2005, 02:30 PM

VOTE PATH12

No offense. I'm just not going to have a hand in the first lynch.

SnDvls

12-28-2005, 03:35 PM

vote Kingfc

just because he's quiet and usually that gets people talking. even if it's wrong. I'll move it once he shows up probally.

TazFTW

12-28-2005, 03:48 PM

VOTE SnDvls

Dvls----->Pentogram----->Evil.
Yes, it is a throwaway Day 1 vote.

SnDvls

12-28-2005, 04:27 PM

VOTE SnDvls

Dvls----->Pentogram----->Evil.
Yes, it is a throwaway Day 1 vote.

I was waiting for someone to say that :rolleyes:
that was my one worry coming into this game, but I realized people could
tell the difference between a screen name and a role in a game.
it's all good though. ;)

Poli

12-28-2005, 04:31 PM

You give us too much credit.

SnDvls

12-28-2005, 04:37 PM

You give us too much credit.

does that mean I should switch my vote to you? j/k :D

Poli

12-28-2005, 04:59 PM

Ha!

SnDvls

12-28-2005, 05:04 PM

Update for those following along

1 - Hoopsguy
2 - Blade6119
1 - Schmidty
1 - St.Cronin
3 - Dacman
1 - Passacaglia
1 - Grammaticus
1 - SnDvls
1 - Path12
1 - Kingfc22

path12

12-28-2005, 05:04 PM

So, is this pretty typical for a day 1? Could someone fill me in on the pros and cons of the first day lynch?

SnDvls

12-28-2005, 05:07 PM

So, is this pretty typical for a day 1? Could someone fill me in on the pros and cons of the first day lynch?

ya it's usually pretty quiet.

In my mind you always want to lynch on day 1 (and in this game it doesn't appear that there is an option for us not to, unless we hit an elemental and then he is saved by his power). This helps establish voting paterns for future use. I'm sure someone might disagree with me on this (most likely a bad guy :) ), but I feel it does help.

SnDvls

12-28-2005, 05:10 PM

path12

12-28-2005, 05:18 PM

dola -
the trend is that the quiet ones get lynched first too.

1) because they don't come to defends themselves and
2) people see them as not only not helping in the discussion, but
hurting it by not participating.

then the vote turns to people who are too helpful...like I'm doing for you now....so I'll just keep quiet, but not too quiet for today I think. :)

I felt like that yesterday speculating on the elementals, then decided I didn't want them to notice me.

Funny about the trend, since that second point seems like a catch-22: There's really nothing to discuss, but if you don't do it you're not participating!

But then, that's how I got through college long ago. :D

Blade6119

12-28-2005, 06:10 PM

I don't really see myself as unusually quiet.

VOTE BLADE6119

Neither do i...i see your quietness quite normal and 99% of the time quite detrimental to the team....sorry, but you are the most useless person in these games from the lsit of players i see. i could be quite wrong, but every time i play with you you are quiet and dont do much but vote(which is all you have done so far again). Dont blame me for your playing style.

saldana

12-28-2005, 06:13 PM

I was waiting for someone to say that :rolleyes:
that was my one worry coming into this game, but I realized people could
tell the difference between a screen name and a role in a game.
it's all good though. ;)
you apparently dont remember all the votes i got in one of the Mafia games because Saldana sounds italian :)

Blade6119

12-28-2005, 06:15 PM

If coffee is around, what is the tiebreaker in case someone else votes for me. I will vote for dacman to be safe if i get into a tie situation so as to not die, but for clarification what is the tiebreaker?

Blade6119

12-28-2005, 06:16 PM

you apparently dont remember all the votes i got in one of the Mafia games because Saldana sounds italian :)

I got like 5 votes on first day of X-com due to godzilla dynasty and my fictional guys tendency to die on every mission he went on. I was always first dead lol...they didnt kill me though, luckily since i was the Alien Leader :) Damn hoopsguy got me killed with his smart thinking.

Poli

12-28-2005, 06:20 PM

That was funny.

kingfc22

12-28-2005, 06:31 PM

Grammaticus

12-28-2005, 06:35 PM

VOTE SnDvls

Dvls----->Pentogram----->Evil.
Yes, it is a throwaway Day 1 vote.
That is funny, I keep thinking about what the names could mean too. Of course, When I think of TazFTW, I think of the Tazmanian Devil, Hmm... :p

Poli

12-28-2005, 06:36 PM

That is funny, I keep thinking about what the names could mean too. Of course, When I think of TazFTW, I think of the Tazmanian Devil, Hmm... :p
You guys are hilarious.

Grammaticus

12-28-2005, 06:39 PM

You guys are hilarious.
I know, what is funny is, I find the more you look at any name in this game, it seems to sound sinister.

Barkeep49

12-28-2005, 06:42 PM

I've been thinking. Dubbs fake empath play last game seems like it could be quite valuable. In a game such as this having an empath around seems possible. I think, therefore, it would behoove us to each make the statement:

"I am not a Demon on day X" where Day X is the current day. In this way if there is an empath he will have reliable statements to go from. I choose am not a Demon since if someone is an elemental that isn't really bad, per se, for the human side. If, however, someone is a demon, well we want them gone. Failure to make such a statement could, in and of itself, be suspicious.

So I will start things off: I am not a Demon on Day 1.

Blade6119

12-28-2005, 06:43 PM

Your asking to get taken if you start doing that...your basically saying please someone repeat what dubb did last game...

Poli

12-28-2005, 06:51 PM

I'm game.

I am not a demon on day 1.

st.cronin

12-28-2005, 06:58 PM

Your asking to get taken if you start doing that...your basically saying please someone repeat what dubb did last game...

My first thought as well. We'll have to remember to be careful if/when something like that happens. Just going off of CW's promise that 'dead people may still have a role' (forget the exact wording), I think this game is going to be very unpredictable.

Anyway, I am not a demon on day 1.

hoopsguy

12-28-2005, 06:59 PM

I got like 5 votes on first day of X-com due to godzilla dynasty and my fictional guys tendency to die on every mission he went on. I was always first dead lol...they didnt kill me though, luckily since i was the Alien Leader Damn hoopsguy got me killed with his smart thinking.

Just remember, day one votes are random until they aren't random :)

That was my first full werewolf game. I had jumped in an earlier one as an alternate and let some of the more experienced players talk me off of hanging a wolf (Jeff) my first time out. And we got owned by BrianD in a fake role ... good times.

Blade6119

12-28-2005, 07:07 PM

Just remember, day one votes are random until they aren't random :)

That was my first full werewolf game. I had jumped in an earlier one as an alternate and let some of the more experienced players talk me off of hanging a wolf (Jeff) my first time out. And we got owned by BrianD in a fake role ... good times.

My first game too, and I almost had you guys when i posted the villager role from the converted guy...soo close! :p

Poli

12-28-2005, 07:08 PM

st.cronin

12-28-2005, 07:12 PM

I can't even remember my first one. I remember i did a random number generator for my first vote and everyone jumped my case for it. I had never followed the games before, so I didn't know people hated it.

I don't know what would be wrong with that... day 1 all we have is gut instinct and guesswork.

We do have some info (the description of the sacrifice), but I don't know how to tell what it means.

Barkeep49

12-28-2005, 07:40 PM

The real problem with using a random number generator is that it provides no insight in future days about the vote. As voting is the main tool we have, having some reason, which can be used in defense or accusation later on is important.

st.cronin

12-28-2005, 07:43 PM

Barkeep49

12-28-2005, 07:46 PM

Would a wild ass guess be better than a rng?
Yes.

Coffee Warlord

12-28-2005, 08:42 PM

By my count.

(Editor's Note: People with 0's are people who have been voted and unvoted)

1 - Hoopsguy
2 - Blade6119
2 - Schmidty
1 - St.Cronin
0 - WVUFAN
3 - Dacman
0 - TazFTW
1 - Passacaglia
1 - Grammaticus
1 - Path12
1 - Kingfc
1 - SnDvls

Yaks make good bricks. Goats taste better.

Coffee Warlord

12-28-2005, 08:45 PM

And Schmidity hasn't logged on since the 23rd. I see him mentioning he was gone till Friday, but obviously waiting that long won't work at this point. Gonna see if I can get a replacement for him.

st.cronin

12-28-2005, 08:46 PM

Yaks make good bricks?

Anybody understand that clue?

Grammaticus

12-28-2005, 09:08 PM

Yaks make good bricks?

Anybody understand that clue?
Ah, they are heavy?

st.cronin

12-28-2005, 09:10 PM

UNVOTE HOOPSGUY

VOTE BLADE

For purposes of making a tie, to inspire some debate. Nothing more than a wag.

path12

12-28-2005, 09:36 PM

Maybe "goats taste better" means that sacrifice was correct?

And: I am not a demon on Day 1.

Blade6119

12-28-2005, 09:40 PM

Coffee Warlord

12-28-2005, 09:42 PM

Deadline's tomorrow morning. Yes, I know, long ass day 1.

Blade6119

12-28-2005, 09:43 PM

UNVOTE PASSACAGLIA
VOTE SCHMIDTY
yes, i could vote for the other guy and take my ass off the block, but this makes more sense. Instead of coffee having to find a replacement, we just kill the idle guy and go about or day. Note, i will vote for whoever keeps me alive if it comes down to it, but you wanted a tie so now you have a 3-way

st.cronin

12-28-2005, 09:43 PM

Is the deadline tonight or tomorrow? if its tonight i have to act to save my ass...if not then i still have time to wonder why you vote for me over the other guy with 2 votes, schmidty, who hasnt been on the board in over a week

I think the deadline is tomorrow am. Schmidty may get replaced - or not, and he may end up lynched.

There's also this, which while I agree with the sentiment, is missing something:

Your asking to get taken if you start doing that...your basically saying please someone repeat what dubb did last game...

Blade6119

12-28-2005, 09:44 PM

I AM NOT A DEMON ON DAY ONE

we happy now?

path12

12-28-2005, 09:48 PM

UNVOTE DACMAN
VOTE SCHMIDTY

I'm west coast so I've got to have my vote in tonight. As long as we're looking for a replacement for him it seems like a good way to go.

st.cronin

12-28-2005, 09:50 PM

I AM NOT A DEMON ON DAY ONE

we happy now?

That puts us here:

0 - Hoopsguy
3 - Blade6119
3 - Schmidty
1 - St.Cronin
0 - WVUFAN
3 - Dacman
0 - TazFTW
0 - Passacaglia
1 - Grammaticus
1 - Path12
1 - Kingfc
1 - SnDvls

I think this is the best voting pattern for the humans, a 3-way tie. There's probably at least a 50/50 chance that one of those guys is a demon, forcing some demons to move their votes around.

Let's see how this shakes out.

path12

12-28-2005, 09:58 PM

I think this is the best voting pattern for the humans, a 3-way tie. There's probably at least a 50/50 chance that one of those guys is a demon, forcing some demons to move their votes around.

Let's see how this shakes out.

Great, I read this right after changing my vote.
:eek:

So forgive me for what may be a stupid question, but as the first day first game guy here, why would this be a 50/50 chance (3 guys with 3 votes if we assumed as earlier 16 total players and 3 demons?) and why would it force a demon's hand?

Barkeep49

12-28-2005, 09:59 PM

Assuming 3 demons there is a 40% chance that none of them are demons and a 60% chance that at least one is a demon.

path12

12-28-2005, 10:01 PM

Assuming 3 demons there is a 47% chance that there are no demons in that group while a 53% chance that there is at least 1 demon in that group.

Wow, that was quick. Thanks -- I knew I shoulda paid attention in math.

Barkeep49

12-28-2005, 10:02 PM

Wow, that was quick. Thanks -- I knew I shoulda paid attention in math.
I had done the math at first with 18 players. I edited my post to reflect the 16 player game.

st.cronin

12-28-2005, 10:03 PM

Great, I read this right after changing my vote.
:eek:

So forgive me for what may be a stupid question, but as the first day first game guy here, why would this be a 50/50 chance (3 guys with 3 votes if we assumed as earlier 16 total players and 3 demons?) and why would it force a demon's hand?

With your vote it's now Schmidty 4, two other guys 3. It doesn't neccesarily force a demon's hand even as a tie, but they are sure to be careful to make sure that a demon doesn't get lynched on day 1. In the following days, we can examine those day 1 votes to gather clues about who may be demonic.

path12

12-28-2005, 10:06 PM

With your vote it's now Schmidty 4, two other guys 3. It doesn't neccesarily force a demon's hand even as a tie, but they are sure to be careful to make sure that a demon doesn't get lynched on day 1. In the following days, we can examine those day 1 votes to gather clues about who may be demonic.

Actually, since I had originally voted Dacman it would now be Schmidty 4, Blade 3 and Dacman 2. I'd be willing to switch it back to Dacman if it's gonna be seen as suspicious later......like I said, I just switched it in the first place since it seemed the spot was open anyways.

SnDvls

12-28-2005, 10:18 PM

Yeesh, had Blade and SnDvls bring up my name on day 1. I guess that is a good rep to have in a WW game??? I am a villager and I haven't picked up on any baddies yet. BTW, I was the first to bring up the goat (demons pick) back in post #106. Thought CW's post was pretty clear to understand myself.

just wanted to see you post again to make sure you were still around. ;)
I'd move, but I don't want to seem like I'm jumping on a bandwagon either. If I hit Schmidty I'm piling on. If I move to dacman I force a tie and if my memory serves me right a decision that we don't know the outcome (possibly the elementals get to decide??) and if I go to Blade it allows someone to set me up later by jumping on him for the lynch if he turns out good. I think I'll stay on you king...unless someone comes up with something pretty dramatic.

Blade6119

12-28-2005, 10:24 PM

I should have tanked last game on purpose so i wouldnt get killed this time..just becuase i had a good game last time everyone wants me dead

st.cronin

12-28-2005, 10:27 PM

I should have tanked last game on purpose so i wouldnt get killed this time..just becuase i had a good game last time everyone wants me dead

lol

I actually would rather have you around, but I don't really know how to play day 1, and I don't think anybody really does. I think every game I've played it's been a villager lynched on day 1. I bet all three of the vote leaders are regular humans.

Blade6119

12-28-2005, 10:31 PM

lol

I actually would rather have you around, but I don't really know how to play day 1, and I don't think anybody really does. I think every game I've played it's been a villager lynched on day 1. I bet all three of the vote leaders are regular humans.

i remember the game we voted for illini, he was the duke, he swapped it randomly to a wolf, and at night they attacked the wolf hunter who killed the other wolf...we never even made it to day 2 lol

saldana

12-28-2005, 10:37 PM

ok, i guess i will vote now, i really dont have too many ideas right now, but one thing i do know is that schmidty isnt helping anything by not being around (and that is really the reason for this...im not piling on)

vote schmidty

Passacaglia

12-28-2005, 10:44 PM

Since Blade has laid off his vote, I will too. For the record, guys, CW asked for votes and unvotes to be in different posts.

UNVOTE BLADE6119

Passacaglia

12-28-2005, 10:47 PM

Just to get a vote on someone without any, and see what happens.

VOTE BARKEEP49

Coffee Warlord

12-28-2005, 11:08 PM

Last count for me before I crash.

0 - Hoopsguy
2 - Blade6119
5 - Schmidty
1 - St.Cronin
0 - WVUFAN
2 - Dacman
0 - TazFTW
0 - Passacaglia
1 - Grammaticus
1 - Path12
1 - Kingfc
1 - SnDvls
1 - Barkeep49

As yaks make good bricks, they don't make good pillows. Much too hard. Goats are far better for pillows.

Blade6119

12-28-2005, 11:13 PM

As yaks make good bricks, they don't make good pillows. Much too hard. Goats are far better for pillows.

I think that means we had favor during the day, and now the bad guys have favor at night

kingfc22

12-28-2005, 11:24 PM

I think that means we had favor during the day, and now the bad guys have favor at night

I think it is CW just messing with our heads.

Grammaticus

12-28-2005, 11:34 PM

I think that means we had favor during the day, and now the bad guys have favor at night
Crafty

Coffee Warlord

12-29-2005, 08:19 AM

40 minutes till deadline.

Coffee Warlord

12-29-2005, 08:58 AM

After a long, long, LONG series of discussions, arguments, in-fighting, paranoia, rants about dice, and after a tasty dinner of leftover yak & goat, you finally agree that an example must be made. Schmidty is dragged, silent as ever, to the massive executioner, who does not even give him the honor of a final request before lopping off his head. It rolls with a satisfying thud, and ends up splashing into a bowl of leftover goat stew.

Unfortunately, the tell tale signs of a person who has sold his soul to the minions of hell are not present this day. It becomes quickly apparent Schmidty was an untainted human through and through. A quick search of his quarters reveals nothing of major interest, merely a suit of battered & worn armor, and an old, blood-stained sword.

As you finish searching through Schmidty's room, you return to the courtyard to see a large piece of parchment nailed to a wall. Written in ornate script, it says...

The Norse god of thunder, Thor, had a chariot that was pulled by several goats. At night when he would set up camp, Thor would eat the meat of the goats, but take care that all bones remained whole. Then he would wrap the remains up, and in the morning, the goats would always come back to life to pull the chariot. When a mortal who was invited to share the meal broke one of the goats' legs to suck the marrow, however, the animal's leg remained broken in the morrow, and the mortal was forced to serve Thor as a servant to compensate for the damage.

NIGHT 1 DEADLINE, ACTIONS DUE 9pm CST THURSDAY

Final Tally
---
0 - Hoopsguy
2 - Blade6119
5 - Schmidty
1 - St.Cronin
0 - WVUFAN
2 - Dacman
0 - TazFTW
0 - Passacaglia
1 - Grammaticus
1 - Path12
1 - Kingfc
1 - SnDvls
1 - Barkeep49

Active List
-----------
1 Ardent Enthusiast
2 Blade6119
3 Schmidty, Human, Lynched Day 1
4 Dacman
5 Hoopsguy
6 SnDvls
7 Passacaglia
8 Path12
9 St.Cronin
10 Grammaticus
11 TazFTW
12 Saldana
13 WVUFAN
14 Kingfc22
15 Barkeep49
16 dubb93

Poli

12-29-2005, 09:01 AM

Ouch. Well, I mean, ouch. Always sucks to lose a fellow villager, but Schmidty is out of town.

Passacaglia

12-29-2005, 09:02 AM

Damn.

Barkeep49

12-29-2005, 09:03 AM

Ouch is right.

Grammaticus

12-29-2005, 09:05 AM

So, what do you think it means, the head rolling into the goat stew?

What about the Thor message? I wonder if that means hurting the wrong person can make you a demon.

Poli

12-29-2005, 09:08 AM

Maybe Schmidty or whoever takes over for him will now be a servant of the elementals...got me.

SnDvls

12-29-2005, 09:14 AM

that sucked.

CW....quit screwing with our minds!!! He's so good at that.

st.cronin

12-29-2005, 09:16 AM

huh

dacman

12-29-2005, 09:21 AM

I wonder if it means a goat sacrifice would bring him back? I'm guessing there is a way that a human could turn demon if we do the wrong thing, but who the hell knows what that would be? I guess we'll find out eventually.

st.cronin

12-29-2005, 09:35 AM

Deadline for night actions is 9pm?

st.cronin

12-29-2005, 09:37 AM

Deadline for night actions is 9pm?

never mind, my reading skillz are fine

Barkeep49

12-29-2005, 09:44 AM

Last game at the end of the day I posted a summary of who voted for who and a brief summary of the explanation. I don't know if anyone else found it helpful, but it was helpful for me to review the posts with votes, so I'm doing it yet again.

<TABLE style="WIDTH: 527pt; BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=703 border=0 x:str><COLGROUP><COL style="WIDTH: 89pt; mso-width-source: userset; mso-width-alt: 4238" width=119><COL style="WIDTH: 61pt; mso-width-source: userset; mso-width-alt: 2901" width=82><COL style="WIDTH: 377pt; mso-width-source: userset; mso-width-alt: 17863" width=502><TBODY><TR style="HEIGHT: 19.2pt; mso-height-source: userset" height=26><TD class=xl25 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 89pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; HEIGHT: 19.2pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white" width=119 height=26>9) St cronin</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 61pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=82>hoopsguy</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 377pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=502>Random number generator</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 19.2pt; mso-height-source: userset" height=26><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 89pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; HEIGHT: 19.2pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white" width=119 height=26>13) WVUFAN</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">blade</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Is a crafty player</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 24pt; mso-height-source: userset" height=32><TD class=xl25 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 89pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; HEIGHT: 24pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white" width=119 height=32>1) Ardent Enthusiast

</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">schmidty</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Obeying his rules</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 19.2pt; mso-height-source: userset" height=26><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 89pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; HEIGHT: 19.2pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white" width=119 height=26>16) dubb93

</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">st. cronin</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Voting against using random number generators</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 19.2pt; mso-height-source: userset" height=26><TD class=xl25 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 89pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; HEIGHT: 19.2pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white" width=119 height=26>2) Blade6119</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">wvufan</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Revenge for pwning him last game</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 19.2pt; mso-height-source: userset" height=26><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 89pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; HEIGHT: 19.2pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white" width=119 height=26>10) Grammaticus</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">dacman</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Voting for a quiet person</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 19.2pt; mso-height-source: userset" height=26><TD class=xl25 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 89pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; HEIGHT: 19.2pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white" width=119 height=26>7) Passacaglia</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">dacman</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Was trying to vote for someone without a vote</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 22.8pt; mso-height-source: userset" height=30><TD class=xl25 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 89pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; HEIGHT: 22.8pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white" width=119 height=30>15) Barkeep49</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">taztfw</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Believed he was voting for a no show</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 19.2pt; mso-height-source: userset" height=26><TD class=xl25 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 89pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; HEIGHT: 19.2pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white" width=119 height=26>8) Path12</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">dacman</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">As good of a pick as any</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 19.2pt; mso-height-source: userset" height=26><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 89pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; HEIGHT: 19.2pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white" width=119 height=26>Barkeep49</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">schmidty</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">To vote for no show and try to prevent bandwagon</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 19.2pt; mso-height-source: userset" height=26><TD class=xl25 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 89pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; HEIGHT: 19.2pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white" width=119 height=26>Blade</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">passacaglia</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Has been quiet so far</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 19.2pt; mso-height-source: userset" height=26><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 89pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; HEIGHT: 19.2pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white" width=119 height=26>4) Dacman</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">grammaticus</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Revenge vote</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 19.2pt; mso-height-source: userset" height=26><TD class=xl25 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 89pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; HEIGHT: 19.2pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white" width=119 height=26>Passacaglia</TD><TD class=xl26 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">blade</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Doesn't see himself as quiet</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 19.2pt; mso-height-source: userset" height=26><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 89pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; HEIGHT: 19.2pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white" width=119 height=26>5) Hoopsguy</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">dacman</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Wants to turn up the heat on a player he has no feel for</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 23.4pt; mso-height-source: userset" height=31><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 89pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; HEIGHT: 23.4pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white" width=119 height=31>ardent enthusiast</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">path</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Doesn't want to have hand in first lynch</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 19.2pt; mso-height-source: userset" height=26><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 89pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; HEIGHT: 19.2pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white" width=119 height=26>6) SnDvls</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">king</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Has been quiet so far</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 13.2pt" height=18><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 89pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; HEIGHT: 13.2pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white" width=119 height=18>11) TazFTW</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">SnDvls</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">He has an evil name</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 13.2pt" height=18><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 89pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; HEIGHT: 13.2pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white" width=119 height=18>14) Kingfc22</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">schmidty</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Wants to narrow votes a little</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 13.2pt" height=18><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 89pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; HEIGHT: 13.2pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white" width=119 height=18>st.cronin</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">blade</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Wants to make a tie</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 13.2pt" height=18><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 89pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; HEIGHT: 13.2pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white" width=119 height=18>Blade</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">schmidty</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Feels this vote makes more sense, but will vote for whoever he needs to keep alive</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 13.2pt" height=18><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 89pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; HEIGHT: 13.2pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white" width=119 height=18>path</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">schmidty</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Since a replacement is being sought</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 13.2pt" height=18><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 89pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; HEIGHT: 13.2pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white" width=119 height=18>12) Saldana</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">schmidty</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Isn't helping by being absent</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 13.2pt" height=18><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; WIDTH: 89pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; HEIGHT: 13.2pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: white" width=119 height=18>Passacaglia</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Barkeep49</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-TOP: #d4d0c8; BORDER-LEFT: #d4d0c8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #d4d0c8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Wants to see what happens</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

st.cronin

12-29-2005, 09:53 AM

Fwiw, path's was the lynching vote, saldana was just piling on. I have some thoughts which will wait for night actions.

SnDvls

12-29-2005, 09:54 AM

Barkeep - it helps me so please keep it up

Barkeep49

12-29-2005, 10:03 AM

To me the real turning point was King's vote for Schmidty as that changed the tide. If he'd gone for dacman it would have ensured that as a lynch. As it stands, I don't blame king for his vote, obviously as I voted the same way, despite our having failed to find a demon.

hoopsguy

12-29-2005, 10:13 AM

st.cronin

12-29-2005, 10:18 AM

So does anyone have any significant trust built up as of yet?

If not trust, are there people that are moving towards highly distrust?

Reasons for either would help generate some discussion. I understand if people may want to wait until after night actions are complete to go down this road.

Nothing significant yet, just a couple of hunches which I'm waiting for after night to bring up. Day 1 vote was more interesting than I'm used to.

hoopsguy

12-29-2005, 10:21 AM

Schmidty having the armor and sword may be indicative of some kind of protector role - which would obviously be bad news for the humans if he is dead (and not recoverable).

saldana

12-29-2005, 10:26 AM

Schmidty having the armor and sword may be indicative of some kind of protector role - which would obviously be bad news for the humans if he is dead (and not recoverable).

i was wondering if anyone else picked up on this...i am a lot more worried about the fact that he had armor and a sword than i am about his head landing in the goat soup (which i took to be CW's creative juices flowing out of control)

dubb93

12-29-2005, 10:27 AM

Poli

12-29-2005, 10:29 AM

st.cronin

12-29-2005, 10:32 AM

I don't remember a guardian ever actually saving anybody. I think seer/witness types are much more important.

SnDvls

12-29-2005, 10:36 AM

You were the brutal wolf last game, right? :)

I think you are right...mabey that's why I lost last game :(

Barkeep49

12-29-2005, 10:36 AM

I would just like to point out to Barkeep that my vote for St. Cronin was not due to me wanting to throw out an early vote, it was b/c of his use of a random number generator.

I do have a hunch at this point, but I'm not sure if I'm quite ready to come forward with it at this point without seeing what he does today.
I have fixed it. I read your post as the first part being the reason for your vote with the second part unrelated. With your explanation, it makes sense that the first part is explaining why you're voting with the second part the reason for your actual vote :).

Barkeep49

12-29-2005, 10:37 AM

You were the brutal wolf last game, right? :)
Well last game it was helpful knowing who to kill or not kill. This game it'll be useful for the purposes of good :).