Best College Football Conference This Year?

[mauchow]

Big 12

Kansas over Houston
Clemson over Colorado
Nebraska over Michigan
Missouri over South Carolina
TCU over Iowa State
Alabama over Texas Tech
Oklahoma over Oregon

4-3 pending the Texas game tonight.

Big 10

Wisconsin over Auburn
Ohio State over Notre Dame
Penn State over Florida State
Florida over Iowa
Virginia over Minnesota
Nebraska over Michigan
UCLA over Northwestern

3-4 Bowl Games Record

SEC

Missorui over South Carolina
Florida over Iowa
LSU over Miami
Alabama over Texas Tech
Wisconsin over Auburn
West Virginia over Georgia

3-3 Bowl Games Record

ACC

Clemson over Colorado
Boston College over Boise State
Utah over GT
Virginia over Minnesota
LSU over Miami
NC St over South Florida
VT over Louisvile

5-2 Bowl Games Record

PAC 10

UCLA over Northwestern
ASU over Rutgers
Oklahoma over Oregon
California over BYU

3-1 Pending tonight's game.


So who gets labeled as the best conference this year? Do we give it to the Pac 10 if USC wins tonight? I say no just because they had a cupcake Bowl Season with Rutgers, BYU, and some would say Northwestern but I'll give them that one.

Big 12 if Texas wins tonight? Probably not as they were pretty bad as a whole this year. A nice win for Oklahoma over Oregon, but that's about it at the moment.

ACC? They've got a good resume, going 5-2 in bowl games.

Big 10? They started 0-4 in conference games but won the three biggest matchups in the end, 3-4.

SEC? LSU came out with a big win, but Auburn ruined it a little with a Bowl Game loss.



So who's the best conference of the 2005 season?

[timmynausea]

It really is tough to say. The ACC got embarassed with their highest rated team getting blown away by LSU. The SEC champs lost to the Big East champs. The Big 12 had a down year, but played better in the bowls with Oklahoma and Nebraska getting wins. The Pac 10 squeaked by in 3 of their bowl games and took a big hit with their second place team losing to an unranked team. I can't decide.

[Klinglerware]

Parity?

[mauchow]

Parity?
Yup, a pretty balanced year.

Too bad there weren't toilet bowls to see how well the bottom of the conferences would do.

[ISiddiqui]

The ACC is 5-3 actually... You forgot to include Florida State.

[st.cronin]

I thought it was SEC earlier. I think they were a bit overrated, but still probably the best of the bunch. Big East is definitely most UNDERrated.

[ISiddiqui]

I voted for the Big 10. Sure they started 0-4, but they won the BIG games and their 3 best teams won (and Ohio State & Wisconsin rolled). There is also a legitimate complaint by Iowa.

[GrantDawg]

I think that bowl games are the absolute worst way to judge conference strength. For one thing, teams play quite differently in the bowls than they did in the regular seasons. That three week stretch before the games transforms many teams because it allows 1) guys that have been injured all year to heal, 2) freshmen who haven't played all year to improve (and some to point of starts), 3) Regular starters to get rusty. If bowls were played within 1 to 2 weeks of the regular season, you wouldn't see so many erratic games with many teams playing totally different football than they did before.

Then there is the match-up factor. Hardly ever are the conferences matched-up straight up. #1 versus #1 usually happens, but most bowls are like #3 versus #5, and even then the bowls will flip them around by who "travels best." So, seeing a #6 in a conference going up against a #3 in an another conference is not uncommon.

The bowls are just a bad metric for determining anything. The only way I can see to make a determination is just looking at conferences from top to bottom and giving your best guess.

[VPI97]

Big East is definitely most UNDERrated.I'm not sure how you can make that claim based on WVU beating Georgia....because other than that game, the Big East did nothing this season.

My vote goes to the SEC. I thought LSU and Auburn were the best two teams in there this year, but since UGA won the conference, you'd have to include them among the SEC elite. After that, Florida & Alabama are solid enough to boost the conference over all of the others.

[timmynausea]

I'm not sure how you can make that claim based on WVU beating Georgia....because other than that game, the Big East did nothing this season.

My vote goes to the SEC. I thought LSU and Auburn were the best two teams in there this year, but since UGA won the conference, you'd have to include them among the SEC elite. After that, Florida & Alabama are solid enough to boost the conference over all of the others.

What conference can make a case for being more underrated than the Big East? I doubt they have a victory over the SEC champions on their resume.

[st.cronin]

The Big East was probably better than the Big 12 this year.

[VPI97]

The Big East was probably better than the Big 12 this year.I just don't see it. As a conference, the Big East has one quality OOC win all season. One. Based off of that, you're putting them ahead of the Big 12? Ridiculous.

[Cuckoo]

Yep, close year. The Big 12 redeemed themselves a little with Missouri, OK and NU, but anyone who has watched Big 12 games this year knows it's not close to the best conference.

I think the Pac-10 is a bit overrated, and I agree that their bowl wins haven't been as impressive as some other conferences.

I would have said SEC was the best this year, top to bottom. They didn't do as much in the bowls as I thought they'd do, but I still think overall they're the best.

[Swaggs]

Big 10 wins this one over the SEC based on their heavyweights' performances in the bowls (even though the Penn State-Florida State game was pretty ugly, in my opinion). Penn State and Ohio State should both finish the season ranked in the top 5.

As much as I love and root for the Big East, other than West Virginia's season and Sugar Bowl win, things could not have gone much worse. Coming off a BCS bid, Pitt crapped their pants in a high profile game vs Notre Dame to open the season and then lost to Ohio (not State) University on national TV. Louisville began to earn some respect, climbing the rankings and then got hammered on national TV by South Florida. UConn had a lot of unfortunate injuries and took a step back as a program. Syracuse hit rock bottom with a 1-11 record. The close bowl losses were still losses and Louisville, in particular, could have really jumped up the polls had they held on against VT, since so many teams ahead of them lost. I think only WVU, Rutgers, and South Florida met or exceeded expectations in the Big East.

I think and hope the good news for the BE is that the Sugar Bowl performance and top 6-7 final ranking that WVU should earn may have weathered the storm for the league and bought a little more time to gain some respect. There should be no coaching changes in the conference this season, which will be nice since five of the eight BE coaches this season were debuting in the league. The league will have a nice crop of QBs returning with experience under their belt (Brohm at UL, White at WVU, and Palko at Pitt) and some exciting skill players (Slaton at WVU, Leonard/Rice at Rutgers, Michael Bush at UL), so the league will have some higher profile players to market. Last season, the only returning player with any type of "name" was Palko. There will be a number of chances for the BE to compete with other BCS conferences and hopefully they can win a fair share of those games in '06.

[st.cronin]

I just don't see it. As a conference, the Big East has one quality OOC win all season. One. Based off of that, you're putting them ahead of the Big 12? Ridiculous.

How many quality ooc wins do you think the Big 12 had?

[Wolfpack]

Texas 28-25 over Ohio State in Columbus comes to mind....

Edit to add: Oklahoma over Oregon in the Holiday Bowl (even if Oregon was overrated a bit at #6).

Nebraska over Michigan in the Alamo Bowl. (Not much, but still, it's a win over another BCS member)

[st.cronin]

Texas 28-25 over Ohio State in Columbus comes to mind....

I'm trying to think of others.

[Karlifornia]

I have no idea. There doesn't appear to be a dominant conference this season.

[timmynausea]

Well, Oklahoma over Oregon is probably their second best win. Iowa was pretty highly rated when Iowa State beat them, but they wound up unranked.

[st.cronin]

Iowa State over Iowa
Oklahoma over Tulsa

Only other ooc wins that could be called quality that I find.

Big East has
WVU over Georgia
Louisville over Oregon State
Rutgers over Navy
South Florida over Central Florida

[st.cronin]

I guess you could also add Nebraska over Pitt.

The Big 12 ooc scheduling is really a joke.

[cartman]

I guess you could also add Nebraska over Pitt.

The Big 12 ooc scheduling is really a joke.

Pitt was the Big East BCS representative last year.

[st.cronin]

Pitt was the Big East BCS representative last year.

I know. I was counting that as a quality win. Nebraska also scheduled Maine.

[Klinglerware]

The Big East was probably better than the Big 12 this year.

I'm a big Big East supporter too, but I wouldn't go that far yet. The Big East made some big strides in showing that they are a legitimate conference, but it will still take a few years for them to stabilize into a respected top-bottom football conference. But, I think that the Big East will be okay if schools like WVU, Pitt, and Louisville pick up the slack for a few years by not embarrasing the BE during the bowl season; while the other schools establish/re-establish themselves.

[SnDvls]

as a Pac-10 fan we had a down year. after U$C, UCLA & Oregon there really wasn't much. This isn't taking away from U$C going undeafeated in conference thogh as they had to play both of those teams. I would have to say overall THIS YEAR the Big 11 was the best overall football conference.

[cartman]

I know. I was counting that as a quality win. Nebraska also scheduled Maine.

But your next statement was that the Big 12 OOC scheduling was a joke, which, to me, meant that scheduling Pitt was a joke.

Look at all of the conferences, and tell me none of the other conferences schedule pasties. I'll admit that Texas Tech is probably the worst offender, but as a whole I don't see the Big 12's OOC schedule as all that different from the other BCS conferences.

[timmynausea]

I had to go with the Big 10 over the SEC.

[Cuckoo]

The Big 12 ooc scheduling is really a joke.

Not any worse than any other conference (I say without any real evidence to back that up.)

Texas scheduled arguable the toughest OOC game of the year with Ohio State while Oklahoma had the toughest schedule in the nation with Tulsa, TCU and UCLA OOC. A&M played Clemson, and Colorado played Miami.

Granted, plenty of Big 12 teams played major cupcakes (Texas Tech comes to mind), but I think overall, the Big 12 was pretty solid with their OOC scheduling.

[st.cronin]

Not any worse than any other conference (I say without any real evidence to back that up.)

Texas scheduled arguable the toughest OOC game of the year with Ohio State while Oklahoma had the toughest schedule in the nation with Tulsa, TCU and UCLA OOC. A&M played Clemson, and Colorado played Miami.

Granted, plenty of Big 12 teams played major cupcakes (Texas Tech comes to mind), but I think overall, the Big 12 was pretty solid with their OOC scheduling.

Well, I don't have any metrics, but I was just looking over the schedules for the Big East, Big 10, and Big 12, and it seemed like the Big 12 was way, way worse than the other 2.

[cartman]

Doing a little bit of research, and it appears that the SEC wins the softest out of conference scheduling race. This past season, the 12 SEC teams scheduled 13 games against Div. 1AA or Sun Belt conference opponents.

[Huckleberry]

Iowa State over Iowa
Oklahoma over Tulsa

Only other ooc wins that could be called quality that I find.

Big East has
WVU over Georgia
Louisville over Oregon State
Rutgers over Navy
South Florida over Central Florida
Wait, you counted WVU's bowl game but not Oklahoma's or Nebraska's?

And you seriously counted a win over Navy? In that case, Colorado beat Colorado State and Missouri beat South Carolina. Hell, Kansas beat Houston if we're being that charitable.

[timmynausea]

Oklahoma had the toughest schedule in the nation with Tulsa, TCU and UCLA OOC.


It was a down year for Syracuse, but they played Virginia, Florida State and Notre Dame out of conference and that is just off the top of my head a tougher schedule than Oklahoma's.

[st.cronin]

Wait, you counted WVU's bowl game but not Oklahoma's or Nebraska's?

And you seriously counted a win over Navy? In that case, Colorado beat Colorado State and Missouri beat South Carolina. Hell, Kansas beat Houston if we're being that charitable.

fair enough - I basically see the two conferences as equal this year

[timmynausea]

Keep in mind the Big East only has 8 teams, so the Big 12 should have more quality wins.
I think the Big 12 was probably better than the Big East top to bottom this year, but not by much. It was a down year for both conferences as well (outside of Texas and WVU).

[Cuckoo]

From glancing at the Big 12 schedules, a couple of schools (Texas Tech, OK State, Kansas) certainly played poor OOC opponents. But with the ones I mentioned, and also Iowa State playing Iowa and Nebraska playing Pitt, I'd say the OOC scheduling overall for the conference was pretty solid.

[Cuckoo]

It was a down year for Syracuse, but they played Virginia, Florida State and Notre Dame out of conference and that is just off the top of my head a tougher schedule than Oklahoma's.

I meant overall schedule, not just OOC. Oklahoma was rated by the computers to have the toughest SOS overall.

[Wolfpack]

I did some digging and present a list of all the wins posted by one BCS conference's teams against other BCS conference teams:

ACC
*Georgia Tech over *Auburn
*Clemson over Texas A&M
*Clemson over *South Carolina
*Clemson over *Colorado
*Miami over *Colorado
*Georgia Tech over Connecticut
*Florida State over Syracuse
*Virginia Tech over *Louisville
*Miami over *South Florida
*Virginia over *Minnesota
*NC State over *South Florida
*Virginia over Syracuse
*Virginia Tech over *West Virginia
--8 bowl teams (5-3 in bowls)
--13 wins over other BCS conference members (9 against other BCS bowl teams)

Big East
*West Virginia over *Georgia
*Louisville over Kentucky
*Louisville over Oregon State
*Louisville over North Carolina
*West Virginia over Maryland
--4 bowl teams (1-3 in bowls)
--5 wins over other BCS conference members (1 against other BCS bowl teams)


Big Ten
Purdue over Arizona
*Wisconsin over *Auburn
*Penn State over Cincinnati
*Penn State over *Florida State
Illinois over *Rutgers
Indiana over Kentucky
Michigan State over *Notre Dame
*Wisconsin over North Carolina
*Ohio State over *Notre Dame
--7 bowl teams (3-4 in bowls)
--9 wins over other BCS conference members (3 against other BCS bowl teams)

Big XII
*Iowa State over *Iowa
*Nebraska over *Michigan
*Missouri over *South Carolina
*Nebraska over Wake Forest
*Nebraska over Pittsburgh
*Texas over *Ohio State
*Oklahoma over *Oregon
--8 bowl teams (4-3 in bowls, Texas pending)
--7 wins over other BCS conference members (5 against other BCS bowl teams)

Pac-10
*Arizona State over *Northwestern
*Arizona State over *Rutgers
*USC over Arkansas
*California over Illinois
*UCLA over *Northwestern
*USC over *Notre Dame
*UCLA over *Oklahoma
--5 bowl teams (3-1 in bowls, USC pending)
--7 wins over other BCS conference members (5 against other BCS bowl teams)

SEC
*LSU over *Arizona State
*Alabama over *Texas Tech
*Florida over *Florida State
*Florida over *Iowa
*Georgia over *Georgia Tech
*LSU over *Miami
Vanderbilt over Wake Forest
--6 bowl teams (3-3 in bowls)
--7 wins over other BCS conference members (6 against other BCS bowl teams)

*-indicates bowl team


Make of it what you will.

[timmynausea]

I meant overall schedule, not just OOC. Oklahoma was rated by the computers to have the toughest SOS overall.

That makes more sense. I misunderstood.

[VPI97]

I did some digging and present a list of all the wins posted by one BCS conference's teams against other BCS conference teams:If you look at a conference's record against OOC bowl teams, you'll see:

12-6 (.667) - Pac 10
10-7 (.588) - Big 12
14-10 (.583) - ACC
11-9 (.550) - SEC
9-10 (.474) - Big 10
5-12 (.294) - MWC
4-16 (.200) - Conference USA
3-13 (.188) - Big East
2-15 (.118) - WAC
1-17 (.056) - MAC
0-16 (.000) - Sun Belt

6-15 (.286) - Indep.


If you just want to compare how the BCS conferences (& ND) did against each other's bowl teams, it's:

9-8 (.529) - ACC
5-5 (.500) - Big 12
5-5 (.500) - Pac 10
6-8 (.429) - SEC
6-10 (.375) - Big 10
1-13 (.071) - Big East

3-2 (.600) - Notre Dame

The complete list is:

ACC
Wins
Boston College beat Brigham Young (20-3)
Boston College beat Boise State (27-21)
Clemson beat Colorado (19-10)
Clemson beat South Carolina (13-9)
Georgia Tech beat Auburn (23-14)
Maryland beat Navy (23-20)
Miami(FL) beat Colorado (23-3)
Miami(FL) beat South Florida (27-7)
North Carolina beat Utah (31-17)
North Carolina State beat South Florida (14-0)
North Carolina State beat Southern Miss (21-17)
Virginia beat Minnesota (34-31)
Virginia Tech beat West Virginia (34-17)
Virginia Tech beat Louisville (35-24)
Losses
Duke lost to Navy (28-21)
Florida State lost to Florida (34-7)
Florida State lost to Penn State (26-23)
Georgia Tech lost to Georgia (14-7)
Georgia Tech lost to Utah (38-10)
Maryland lost to West Virginia (31-19)
Miami(FL) lost to LSU (40-3)
North Carolina lost to Wisconsin (14-5)
North Carolina lost to Louisville (69-14)
Wake Forest lost to Nebraska (31-3)

Big 10
Wins
Illinois beat Rutgers (33-30)
Michigan State beat Notre Dame (44-41)
Minnesota beat Tulsa (41-10)
Minnesota beat Colorado State (56-24)
Ohio State beat Notre Dame (34-20)
Penn State beat Florida State (26-23)
Penn State beat South Florida (23-13)
Purdue beat Akron (49-24)
Wisconsin beat Auburn (24-10)
Losses
Illinois lost to California (35-20)
Iowa lost to Iowa State (23-3)
Iowa lost to Florida (31-24)
Michigan lost to Nebraska (32-28)
Michigan lost to Notre Dame (17-10)
Minnesota lost to Virginia (34-31)
Northwestern lost to UCLA (50-38)
Northwestern lost to Arizona State (52-21)
Ohio State lost to Texas (25-22)
Purdue lost to Notre Dame (49-28)

Big 12
Wins
Colorado beat Colorado State (31-28)
Iowa State beat Iowa (23-3)
Kansas beat Houston (42-13)
Missouri beat South Carolina (38-31)
Missouri beat Arkansas State (44-17)
Nebraska beat Michigan (32-28)
Oklahoma beat Oregon (17-14)
Oklahoma beat Tulsa (31-15)
Oklahoma State beat Arkansas State (20-10)
Texas beat Ohio State (25-22)
Losses
Colorado lost to Miami(FL) (23-3)
Colorado lost to Clemson (19-10)
Iowa State lost to TCU (27-24)
Oklahoma lost to UCLA (41-24)
Oklahoma lost to TCU (17-10)
Texas A&M lost to Clemson (25-24)
Texas Tech lost to Alabama (13-10)

Big East
Wins
Rutgers beat Navy (31-21)
South Florida beat Central Florida (31-14)
West Virginia beat Georgia (38-35)
Losses
Cincinnati lost to Penn State (42-24)
Connecticut lost to Georgia Tech (28-13)
Louisville lost to Virginia Tech (35-24)
Pittsburgh lost to Nebraska (7-6)
Pittsburgh lost to Notre Dame (42-21)
Rutgers lost to Arizona State (45-40)
South Florida lost to Miami(FL) (27-7)
South Florida lost to North Carolina State (14-0)
South Florida lost to Penn State (23-13)
Syracuse lost to Virginia (27-24)
Syracuse lost to Florida State (38-14)
Syracuse lost to Notre Dame (34-10)
West Virginia lost to Virginia Tech (34-17)

Conference USA
Wins
Memphis beat Akron (38-31)
Southern Miss beat Arkansas State (31-19)
SMU beat TCU (21-10)
Tulsa beat Fresno State (31-24)
Losses
Central Florida lost to South Carolina (24-15)
Central Florida lost to South Florida (31-14)
Central Florida lost to Nevada (49-48)
East Carolina lost to West Virginia (20-15)
Houston lost to Kansas (42-13)
Houston lost to Oregon (38-24)
Marshall lost to Virginia Tech (41-14)
Rice lost to Texas (51-10)
Rice lost to UCLA (63-21)
Rice lost to Navy (41-9)
Southern Miss lost to North Carolina State (21-17)
Southern Miss lost to Alabama (30-21)
Tulane lost to Navy (49-21)
Tulsa lost to Minnesota (41-10)
Tulsa lost to Oklahoma (31-15)
UTEP lost to Toledo (45-13)

MAC
Wins
Toledo beat UTEP (45-13)
Losses
Akron lost to Memphis (38-31)
Ball State lost to Boston College (38-0)
Ball State lost to Iowa (56-0)
Ball State lost to Auburn (63-3)
Bowling Green lost to Wisconsin (55-42)
Bowling Green lost to Boise State (48-20)
Buffalo lost to Rutgers (17-3)
C.Michigan lost to Penn State (40-3)
E.Michigan lost to Michigan (55-0)
Kent State lost to Navy (34-31)
Miami(OH) lost to Ohio State (34-14)
N.Illinois lost to Michigan (33-17)
N.Illinois lost to Northwestern (38-37)
Ohio lost to Virginia Tech (45-0)
Ohio lost to Northwestern (38-14)
Toledo lost to Fresno State (44-14)
W.Michigan lost to Virginia (31-19)

Pac 10
Wins
Arizona State beat Northwestern (52-21)
Arizona State beat Rutgers (45-40)
California beat Brigham Young (35-28)
Oregon beat Houston (38-24)
Oregon beat Fresno State (37-34)
Oregon State beat Boise State (30-27)
Stanford beat Navy (41-38)
UCLA beat Northwestern (50-38)
UCLA beat Oklahoma (41-24)
USC beat Fresno State (50-42)
USC beat Notre Dame (34-31)
Washington State beat Nevada (55-21)
Losses
Arizona lost to Utah (27-24)
Arizona State lost to LSU (35-31)
Oregon lost to Oklahoma (17-14)
Oregon State lost to Louisville (63-27)
Stanford lost to Notre Dame (38-31)
Washington lost to Notre Dame (36-17)

SEC
Wins
Alabama beat Texas Tech (13-10)
Alabama beat Southern Miss (30-21)
Florida beat Florida State (34-7)
Florida beat Iowa (31-24)
Georgia beat Georgia Tech (14-7)
Georgia beat Boise State (48-13)
LSU beat Miami(FL) (40-3)
LSU beat Arizona State (35-31)
Mississippi beat Memphis (10-6)
South Carolina beat Central Florida (24-15)
Tennessee beat Memphis (20-16)
Losses
Arkansas lost to USC (70-17)
Auburn lost to Georgia Tech (23-14)
Auburn lost to Wisconsin (24-10)
Georgia lost to West Virginia (38-35)
Kentucky lost to Louisville (31-24)
Mississippi State lost to Houston (28-16)
South Carolina lost to Clemson (13-9)
South Carolina lost to Missouri (38-31)
Tennessee lost to Notre Dame (41-21)

Sun Belt
Wins
Losses
Arkansas State lost to Missouri (44-17)
Arkansas State lost to Southern Miss (31-19)
Florida Atlantic lost to Minnesota (46-7)
Florida Atlantic lost to Kansas (30-19)
Florida Atlantic lost to Louisville (61-10)
Florida Intl lost to Texas Tech (56-3)
Louisiana-Laf lost to Texas (60-3)
Louisiana-Laf lost to Central Florida (24-21)
Louisiana-Mon lost to Georgia (44-7)
Middle Tenn State lost to North Carolina State (24-3)
Middle Tenn State lost to Alabama (26-7)
Middle Tenn State lost to Akron (17-7)
Troy lost to Missouri (52-21)
Troy lost to South Carolina (45-20)
North Texas lost to LSU (56-3)
North Texas lost to Tulsa (54-2)

WAC
Wins
Nevada beat Central Florida (49-48)
Fresno State beat Toledo (44-14)
Losses
Boise State lost to Boston College (27-21)
Boise State lost to Georgia (48-13)
Fresno State lost to USC (50-42)
Fresno State lost to Oregon (37-34)
Fresno State lost to Tulsa (31-24)
Hawaii lost to Wisconsin (41-24)
Hawaii lost to USC (63-17)
Louisiana Tech lost to Kansas (34-14)
Louisiana Tech lost to Florida (41-3)
Nevada lost to Colorado State (42-21)
New Mexico State lost to Colorado (39-0)
New Mexico State lost to California (41-13)
New Mexico State lost to UTEP (34-17)
Utah State lost to Alabama (35-3)
Utah State lost to Utah (31-7)

MWC
Wins
Colorado State beat Nevada (42-21)
New Mexico beat Missouri (45-35)
TCU beat Iowa State (27-24)
TCU beat Oklahoma (17-10)
Utah beat Georgia Tech (38-10)
Losses
Air Force lost to Navy (27-24)
Brigham Young lost to Boston College (20-3)
Brigham Young lost to California (35-28)
Brigham Young lost to Notre Dame (49-23)
Colorado State lost to Minnesota (56-24)
Colorado State lost to Colorado (31-28)
Colorado State lost to Navy (51-30)
New Mexico lost to UTEP (21-13)
San Diego State lost to Ohio State (27-6)
San Diego State lost to UCLA (44-21)
UNLV lost to Nevada (22-14)
Wyoming lost to Florida (32-14)

Ind.
Wins
Army beat Akron (20-0)
Army beat Arkansas State (38-10)
Navy beat Colorado State (51-30)
Notre Dame beat Michigan (17-10)
Notre Dame beat Brigham Young (49-23)
Notre Dame beat Navy (42-21)
Losses
Army lost to Boston College (44-7)
Army lost to Iowa State (28-21)
Army lost to TCU (38-17)
Army lost to Navy (42-23)
Navy lost to Rutgers (31-21)
Navy lost to Notre Dame (42-21)
Notre Dame lost to Ohio State (34-20)
Notre Dame lost to USC (34-31)
Temple lost to Miami(FL) (34-3)
Temple lost to Virginia (51-3)
Temple lost to Clemson (37-7)
Temple lost to Wisconsin (65-0)
Temple lost to Arizona State (63-16)
Temple lost to Toledo (42-17)
Temple lost to Navy (38-17)


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I don't know what st.cronin is smoking, but as a whole, the Big East conference is squarely in the Mountain West, CUSA & WAC camp. Not even close to the other BCS conferences.

[Pumpy Tudors]

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[timmynausea]

I don't know what st.cronin is smoking, but as a whole, the Big East conference is squarely in the Mountain West, CUSA & WAC camp. Not even close to the other BCS conferences.

I guess we're not going to get the Virginia Tech stomp of approval on this, but: The Big East is the 6th best conference right now and on the rise. WVU and Louisville are better than any non-BCS teams and Pitt and Syracuse won't be down for long. The win over Georgia was huge.

[cartman]

I don't know what st.cronin is smoking, but as a whole, the Big East conference is squarely in the Mountain West, CUSA & WAC camp. Not even close to the other BCS conferences.

I think this quote is applicable:

"I don't like facts. Facts change - my opinion doesn't. My opinion stays the same
no matter what the facts are."

:D

[st.cronin]

I think this quote is applicable:

"I don't like facts. Facts change - my opinion doesn't. My opinion stays the same
no matter what the facts are."

:D

Actually my opinion has changed. At the beginning of the year, I said the Big East was no better than the Mountain West. Then the Mountain West went out and sucked.

[Klinglerware]

I guess we're not going to get the Virginia Tech stomp of approval on this, but: The Big East is the 6th best conference right now and on the rise. WVU and Louisville are better than any non-BCS teams and Pitt and Syracuse won't be down for long. The win over Georgia was huge.

Agreed. As long as the BCS keeps awarding autobids to the top 6 conferences, and there are no other conferences that are clearly better than the Big East, the BE will probably keep the autobid so long as the yearly conference champs don't consistently embarass themselves.

[Craptacular]

Very tough call this year. I'd have a hard time picking between the SEC and Big 10, and I actually don't think the Big 12 is too far behind.