PAt Robertson says A. Sharon brought storke on himself by....

[Flasch186]

...splitting up the land of Israel incurring God's wrath.

Evangelicals should be so proud of him....what a clown.

[gottimd]

He is such an asshat.

[Wolfpack]

I think a lot of us have pretty much written him off anyway. I know I have. I think he's going for shock value and headline-grabbing. If not, he's got the intellect of a very small pebble at this point.

[GrantDawg]

I vote pebble.

[MacroGuru]

Isn't that "What an assclown?" http://homepage.mac.com/theconfuzed1/.Pictures/smilies/assclown.gif

[Klinglerware]

So has Pat gone completely nuts just recently, or is the media just paying attention more now?

[Greyroofoo]

Why can't every child molestor get a stroke?

[GrantDawg]

Why can't every child molestor get a stroke?

God's only interested in property law.

[st.cronin]

He's a marginal political figure, becoming more marginal every day; he has roughly the same level of credibility as Al Sharpton.

[Klinglerware]

Why can't every child molestor get a stroke?

Because, apparently, most child molesters don't get an opportunity to split up Israel...

[CamEdwards]

arrggh. i hate pat robertson.

[Bonegavel]

Back when I was a church-goer (80s), Pat Robertson was basically seen as a fear-mongering money-grubbing televangelist (any other kind?) and not really related to your average christian.

He has and always should be ignored. Kind of scary how creepy looking his kid has become.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Sometimes I really do wish there was an afterlife for people like this guy...

[st.cronin]

by the way, Willie McGinest

[Subby]

storkes are bad news

[Schmidty]

Robertson is a twit.

[sabotai]

God's only interested in property law.
Gold. :D

[Schmidty]

Evangelicals should be so proud of him....what a clown.

By definition, Jesus was an Evangelical, and I highly doubt he'd approve of Robertson's political involvement or his mean-spirited pronouncements.

As an aside, the term "Evangelical" gets thrown all over the place as a negative catch-all for conservative christians, but really being an evangelical is to emulate Christ:


1.Conversionism: the belief that the lives of all humans need to be changed by way of a "born again" decision to repent of their sins and accept Jesus as Lord and Savior.

2. Activism: the expression of the gospel in various ways, including missionary outreach and social reform.

3. Biblicism: a particular regard for the Bible as the Word of God and the ultimate authority for religious belief and morality.

4. Crucicentrism: a stress on the substitutionary atonement by Christ on the cross.


All of those things are main points in the teaching of Jesus. The only thing in there that sounds even remotely political is point #2; however, I don't think that the only way for "social reform" to occur is through crooked politics and tossing around hateful, judgemental dercrees.

(Note: I got the above definition from David Bebbington)

[GrantDawg]

By definition, Jesus was an Evangelical, and I highly doubt he'd approve of Robertson's political involvement or his mean-spirited pronouncements.

As an aside, the term "Evangelical" gets thrown all over the place as a negative catch-all for conservative christians, but really being an evangelical is to emulate Christ:


1.Conversionism: the belief that the lives of all humans need to be changed by way of a "born again" decision to repent of their sins and accept Jesus as Lord and Savior.

2. Activism: the expression of the gospel in various ways, including missionary outreach and social reform.

3. Biblicism: a particular regard for the Bible as the Word of God and the ultimate authority for religious belief and morality.

4. Crucicentrism: a stress on the substitutionary atonement by Christ on the cross.


All of those things are main points in the teaching of Jesus. The only thing in there that sounds even remotely political is point #2; however, I don't think that the only way for "social reform" to occur is through crooked politics and tossing around hateful, judgemental dercrees.

(Note: I got the above definition from David Bebbington)

The orginal definition fits, but not the "label." Heck, there is nothing wrong with being "liberal" when it comes to charity, and nothing wrong with being "conservative" when it comes other people's property. But politically they take on different meanings. When "evangelical" is used in politics, it is discussing the section of politically activated Christians that are pushing for a Christian State.

[Maple Leafs]

How does he explain Teddy Bruschi? Does he think God is a Colts fan?

[Schmidty]

The orginal definition fits, but not the "label." Heck, there is nothing wrong with being "liberal" when it comes to charity, and nothing wrong with being "conservative" when it comes other people's property. But politically they take on different meanings. When "evangelical" is used in politics, it is discussing the section of politically activated Christians that are pushing for a Christian State.

Good point. I just wish people could seperate the two. The original term/way-of-life has gotten a bad rap because of the political "label".

[Grammaticus]

Well, if you think what Robertson said is bad, the president of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, said he hopes Sharon dies.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,180772,00.html

Not exactly a "love your brother" message.

[Solecismic]

Well, if you think what Robertson said is bad, the president of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, said he hopes Sharon dies.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,180772,00.html

Not exactly a "love your brother" message.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad can be anagrammed as "nah, momma, a jihad dude."

The fact that Pat Robertson has not yet been struck by lightning should be considered proof of the absence of a supreme being.

[Grammaticus]

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad can be anagrammed as "nah, momma, a jihad dude."

The fact that Pat Robertson has not yet been struck by lightning should be considered proof of the absence of a supreme being.
Yep, pretty much so. But any chance I can get to ensure people see how that sorry Iranian bastage is, I'll take it. On the flip side, when Yasser Arafat was on his death bed, Sharon said he wished Arafat would recover. There are bad guys and there are good guys. It's absolute, not relative. Ahmadinejad is Evil, Robertson is mis-guided.

[Flasch186]

Na EE na Na Ja. Naeenanaja. Is that so hard?

[st.cronin]

How does he explain Teddy Bruschi? Does he think God is a Colts fan?

Obviously. God favors the downtrodden, the meek, the beaten.

[Schmidty]

Obviously. God favors the downtrodden, the meek, the beaten.

And the millionaire athlete.

[st.cronin]

Yep, pretty much so. But any chance I can get to ensure people see how that sorry Iranian bastage is, I'll take it. On the flip side, when Yasser Arafat was on his death bed, Sharon said he wished Arafat would recover. There are bad guys and there are good guys. It's absolute, not relative. Ahmadinejad is Evil, Robertson is mis-guided.

And Sharon is good. Probably not pure good, but everything I know about him makes me think he's a good man.

[Schmidty]

The more I think about this the more angry I get at Robertson. He claims to be a man of God, yet he deigns to think he can speak God's mind and intentions? How unbelievably despicable on so many levels.

[Vinatieri for Prez]

He's a step beyond "misguided." That entails some notion of innocence. Robertson has none of that in his statements. It's hate, pure and simple.

[duckman]

Do what most of us Christians do when Robertson speaks: ignore him.

[Bubba Wheels]

Well, this is not to defend Robertson, just an observation no one else would dare make. If, indeed, God's Word (the Bible) says that any one who would dare to partition land God Himself has deeded to His chosen people (Israel) would suffer God's punishment for doing that...well its just interesting that when Jesus spoke about God's intentions those who heard Him attempted to stone Him for it. And the Bible does clearly state God's intentions, and the land belonging to Israel is one of them.

But then, that becomes a matter of believing that the Bible is actually God's Word.

The timing of this happening to Sharon is very interesting to me also, as I have heard (and stated before) that since the 80s the time frame for the end of the Church Era is somewhere between 2006-2012 according to many various Bible scholars. Drastic changes to take place.

[Flasch186]

I see your true Colors shining through
I see your true colors....

[Dutch]

arrggh. i hate pat robertson.

Not according to the media you don't. He's your spokesman and the media's "proof" that being spiritual is evil and wrong.

I really am beginning to not trust our media is looking out for us anymore. They are just there to generate anger to sell more papers. Modern 'journalists' are very good at their skillcraft if this thread is any indication.

[Flasch186]

um, Dutch, he said it...I saw the footage with my own two eyes...on Fox or CNN, the footage is still the same.

[duckman]

um, Dutch, he said it...I saw the footage with my own two eyes...on Fox or CNN, the footage is still the same.
It doesn't make him the freaking mouthpiece for the Christian faith. Once you get that through your thick skull the better off the planet will be. Geesh!

[Flasch186]

It doesn't make him the freaking mouthpiece for the Christian faith. Once you get that through your thick skull the better off the planet will be. Geesh!

And Evangelicals are not the entire Christian Faith...I agree that he is shunned as an idiot by even most Christians but check out those ratings for his shows, many many people watch, listen, and agree.

[duckman]

And Evangelicals are not the entire Christian Faith...I agree that he is shunned as an idiot by even most Christians but check out those ratings for his shows, many many people watch, listen, and agree.
How much is "many many?" :rolleyes:

The fact is you don't have a clue about what Christians believe except what you read in the newspaper and see on TV. Do everybody a favor a get off that high horse you're sitting a on and pull your head out your ass because you are no better than anybody else. You're another speck in the universe among billions of other little specks. Your holier than thou routine is wearing thin with me.

[Flasch186]

but I do know what Pat Robertson thinks...which is what this thread was about so why did you bring your judgment(s) in here...

I sarcastically said "Evangelicals should be proud"....you think that they should be.

There are many Jews who say stupid things that I would not be proud of...is Robertson exempt.

If you think my holier than thou attitude means something to you, then perhaps you should look at you....cuz me, is me, and this is who I am, on here, and in life...helps me go to bed at night and live a full life that allows me to treat others the way I want to be treated. How's what you do working out for you? I hope well....

Since I pass the Howard Litmus test, Ill continue to be me, thank you very much.

And Pat Robertson is still a clown and an Evangelical, and with sarcasm I say, they should be so proud of him

[Schmidty]

How much is "many many?" :rolleyes:

The fact is you don't have a clue about what Christians believe except what you read in the newspaper and see on TV. Do everybody a favor a get off that high horse you're sitting a on and pull your head out your ass because you are no better than anybody else. You're another speck in the universe among billions of other little specks. Your holier than thou routine is wearing thin with me.

I've actually never gotten the impression that he thinks that he knows everything about what Christians believe, nor have I ever seen him insult Christianity as a religion or belief-set. The only thing I've seen him do is call out asshats like Robertson and Jerry Falwell. I'm sure he knows that all Christians aren't like that. The problem is that the media only shows the world the loudmouth twits, not the normal, caring follower of Christ.

[Flasch186]

Not bad, I didnt even know that they were doing that good back then, and on the rise. Good for them (not sarcastic)...

922000 DAILY!!


Fox Family Channel


October 13, 2001


BROOKE GLADSTONE: One television product that is always engaged in matters of faith is Pat Robertson's 700 Club, the most watched evangelical Christian program in America. On September 13th the 700 Club played host to Jerry Falwell who pointed his finger at pagans, abortionists, feminists, gays and lesbians and the ACLU saying they've angered God and helped the terrorist attacks to happen.

BOB GARFIELD: That statement and Pat Robertson's agreement were universally denounced in the mainstream media.



http://www.backchannelmedia.com/newsletter/story/5028779305/The_Club_November_Sweeps_In_Tr.html

The 700 Club - November 2004 Sweeps In - Tremendous Ratings Growth
Backchannelmedia Feb 21, 2005

December Reaches Ten Year Ratings High

Shows Renewed Interest in Family and Faith Oriented Content

VIRGINIA BEACH, Va., January 20, 2005-- The 700 Club's average daily audience, according to AC Nielsen's November sweeps, is up 26% over last year. At a time when most daily shows are struggling The 700 Club is experiencing tremendous increases. November's average daily audience of 922,000 households is the highest in ten years and we experienced the same success in October and November. John Turver, Vice President of Marketing, said, "I attribute the ratings spike to strong program content, great distribution, and a trend in America towards family friendly and faith-based programming." This audience success has carried over to The Christian Broadcasting Network's website, www.cbn.com,. As one of the most popular Christian sites on the web there was a 28% jump in unique user sessions (15.3 million) from year to year and a 60% increase in page views (61 million), which resulted in a 7% growth in average session times to 15.8 minutes, according to Web Methods.

The 700 Club is a live television program that airs weekdays before a studio audience from the Christian Broadcasting Network's (CBN) broadcast facilities in Virginia Beach, Va. On the air continuously since 1966, it is one of the longest-running programs in broadcast history and can be seen in 95% of homes in America. Hosted by Pat Robertson, Terry Meeuwsen, Kristi Watts and Gordon Robertson, with news anchor Lee Webb, The 700 Club is a mix of news and commentary, interviews, feature stories and Christian ministry. The program is carried on The ABC Family Channel three times daily and is seen in 104 million homes by local broadcast syndication. It is seen daily by approximately one million households and over 17 million over the course of a month.

[Flasch186]

I've actually never gotten the impression that he thinks that he knows everything about what Christians believe, nor have I ever seen him insult Christianity as a religion or belief-set. The only thing I've seen him do is call out asshats like Robertson and Jerry Falwell. I'm sure he knows that all Christians aren't like that. The problem is that the media only shows the world the loudmouth twits, not the normal, caring follower of Christ.

thanks

[st.cronin]

I'm just amazed that Sharon got pregnant, even if we disagree about the how.

[Schmidty]

thanks

No problem.

I don't agree with you a lot of times, and I 'do' know that you enjoy stirring things up for a good argument, but I think you've got a well-meaning heart. :)

[Dutch]

The program is carried on The ABC Family Channel three times daily and is seen in 104 million homes by local broadcast syndication. It is seen daily by approximately one million households and over 17 million over the course of a month.

How else could we break those numbers down? Less than one point on the Nielson rating? One in 200 households watch it daily? One in twelve catch a glimpse of it one time a month?

I always thought that older people watch the 700 Club. That probably makes up the majority of it's audience.

[Flasch186]

obviously, Im viewing it in perspective but for its niche market, its doing VERY well. Which is good, when Robertson's not saying something assinine, Id rather have children watching that than some of the other scandalous crap that comes on TV. MTV immediately jumps to mind.

oh, and to your questions, I dont know, I just did an internet search...its late.

[duckman]

but I do know what Pat Robertson thinks...which is what this thread was about so why did you bring your judgment(s) in here...
So does everyone who has ever listened to him. Congratulations!

I sarcastically said "Evangelicals should be proud"....you think that they should be.
I like for you pull up a quote where I have EVER said that. Happy hunting! And when you can't find one, that makes you a liar (some "honest" person you are :rolleyes: ).

There are many Jews who say stupid things that I would not be proud of...is Robertson exempt.
I never said he was exempt from scrutiny. What I take exception is your implication that if Pat Robertson's comments are the reflection of the entire Chrisitian religion when you don't have any facts to back it up. You've bought into the entire hyperbole, sheep.

If you think my holier than thou attitude means something to you, then perhaps you should look at you....cuz me, is me, and this is who I am, on here, and in life...helps me go to bed at night and live a full life that allows me to treat others the way I want to be treated. How's what you do working out for you? I hope well....

Since I pass the Howard Litmus test, Ill continue to be me, thank you very much.
You so full of shit. You just lied about myself saying that Robertson was right. If you can sleep at night knowing that then you are just as big of a hypocrite that I have imagined. At least I'm honest with myself.

And Pat Robertson is still a clown and an Evangelical, and with sarcasm I say, they should be so proud of him
You're right. He's a gigantic asshat. It still doesn't make him the mouthpiece of the Evangelicals. If you were smart, you would ignore him like the vast majority of Christians do.

[Flasch186]

the you think that they should be....was a question. I left off the ? does that change anything.....Never would I assume to know your thoughts...Just Robertson's on this particular issue. Not a liar, just a bad typer..put that in the pipe.

Kinda funny to find a quote where you would say, "Evangelicals should be proud of Pat Robertson." No one would ever say that....it was a rhtorical question. too funny that your diatribe is based on my typo. LOL...sorry, but that is kinda funny.

I am definitely not a hypocrite, I walk my talk.

[duckman]

922,000 of 50 million Evangelical Christians? That's a whopping 1.8%. Wow, you really proved me wrong there. :rolleyes:

[Flasch186]

DOLA:

the title of the thread had one of my typo's in it LOL too funny.

[Flasch186]

922,000 of 50 million Evangelical Christians? That's a whopping 1.8%. Wow, you really proved me wrong there. :rolleyes:
I see the other side of the coin, the one that they tout, that they are proud of, the one that they promote, wherein they gladly say they are the most watched Evangelical TV show on the tube. Hey, im not knckin' it...I think that that is a good thing. The numbers bear fruit when youre not comparing it to CSI and Football.

[Flasch186]

BTW I just found a report that said there are 70 million self proclaimed Evangelicals....just thought Id toss that out there.

[duckman]

I see the other side of the coin, the one that they tout, that they are proud of, the one that they promote, wherein they gladly say they are the most watched Evangelical TV show on the tube. Hey, im not knckin' it...I think that that is a good thing. The numbers bear fruit when youre not comparing it to CSI and Football.
Great! It's the most watched Evangelical TV show. Yippee! It still is only watched by less than 2% of the entire Evangelical population. That means that 98% of the Evangelicals don't even pay attention to what he has to say.

They know he's a joke. He has no real clout in the Christian community anymore. I would even bet that his ratings have declined since the the early '90's. So, do what everyone else does and ignore him. He's a dipshit.

[duckman]

the you think that they should be....was a question. I left off the ? does that change anything.....Never would I assume to know your thoughts...Just Robertson's on this particular issue. Not a liar, just a bad typer..put that in the pipe.

Kinda funny to find a quote where you would say, "Evangelicals should be proud of Pat Robertson." No one would ever say that....it was a rhtorical question. too funny that your diatribe is based on my typo. LOL...sorry, but that is kinda funny.

I am definitely not a hypocrite, I walk my talk.
Now, it's a question. Nice CYA. :rolleyes:

[Flasch186]

honestly, you think during this debate where you exclaim he's a dipshit, in the middle I would state that you think otherwise as a quote...c'mon...

FWIW, the "is Robertson exempt" was a question too...I left the ? off that one but you answered as if it was a question....

no big deal, it was what it was, and it is what it is. I dont need a CYA...we agree, he's a clown, or as you put it, a "dipshit". cool

The number of viewers that watch his show, daily monthly etc. the number of sets its on (which whether theyre watched is immeasurable) does add up to many many Evangelicals (and Ill bet other denominations) and just because its 2% does not mean that 1 mill a day (which are not the same mill every day) is not a lot of viewers. NOW whether or not they watch and think he is a dipshit too, is also, ungaugeable.


I will in retrospect apologize for the typo as it did seem to affect things a bit.

[Flasch186]

Apparently money can make someone rethink their past comments. Good for him, I certainly hope that his apology is sincere since I dont see a shot of Israel changing their mind and letting him back in on the money.


Robertson apologizes to Sharon's son
Comments follow threatened exclusion from $50M heritage center

Thursday, January 12, 2006; Posted: 6:15 p.m. EST (23:15 GMT)


(CNN) -- Evangelist Pat Robertson apologized in a Wednesday letter for saying that the major stroke suffered by Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon was divine retribution for "dividing God's land."

The apology -- offered in a letter to Sharon's son, Omri -- followed a threat by Israel to exclude Robertson from a proposed $50 million Christian heritage site in northern Israel.

"My zeal, my love of Israel and my concern for the future safety of your nation led me to make remarks which I can now view in retrospect as inappropriate and insensitive in light of a national grief experienced because of your father's illness," Robertson wrote. (Read about Robertson's previous comments)

In his letter, Robertson expressed "profound sympathy" for Sharon, who is making slight improvements after the cerebral hemorrhage he suffered last week. Robertson also called the 77-year-old leader "a kind, gracious and gentle man" who was "carrying an almost insurmountable burden of making decisions for his nation."

He added, "I ask your forgiveness and the forgiveness of the people of Israel for saying what was clearly insensitive at the time."

The evangelist also chided the news media for not conveying the "heartfelt sentiments" he also expressed the day after Sharon fell ill. (Watch the apology -- :50)

Robertson -- who vehemently opposed Sharon's dismantling of Israeli settlements in Gaza -- told viewers of his show, "The 700 Club," that God was exacting revenge on Sharon for his actions in Gaza.

"Woe unto any prime minister of Israel who takes a similar course to appease the EU, the United Nations or the United States of America," Robertson said on the January 5 program. "God says, 'This land belongs to me, and you'd better leave it alone.' "

Robertson added that Sharon was a "very likable person" and expressed sadness to see the prime minister in such a dire condition, but linked his stroke to the 1995 assassination of then-Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin, who signed the Oslo Accords that granted the Palestinians limited self-rule.

"It was a terrible thing that happened, but nevertheless, now he's dead," Robertson said of Rabin's killing.

His remarks prompted Israel's tourism ministry to say it would go ahead with plans to build an evangelical Christian heritage center without Robertson. (Full story)

"From our perspective, such a statement made for a person that is lying in a hospital bed is outrageous," Deputy Tourism Minister Rami Levy said.

Israel's Tourism Ministry on Thursday said the decision to continue the project without Robertson still stands, a spokeswoman said.

The prime minister's office had no comment on the issue, but Daniel Ayalon, the Israeli ambassador to the United States, said his nation accepted Robertson's apology.

"Israel respects Rev. Robertson and accepts his apology, which reflects his true friendship and support for the state of Israel," Ayalon said.

Robertson was leading a group of evangelicals planning the $50 million joint venture with Israel, which donated land along the Sea of Galilee, where Jesus is believed to have walked on water.

The controversy stemming from Robertson's comments was deemed "a blow to evangelical-Israeli relations" by the Rev. Ted Haggard, president of the National Association of Evangelicals, which has 30 million members.

For the project to move forward, evangelical leaders "must exercise sensitivity and grace towards the people and leadership of the nation of Israel," Haggard said.

Israel says millions of evangelical Christians visit the nation each year, and the heritage center could draw even more tourists.

Robertson founded the Christian Coalition in 1989, the year after his failed bid for the Republican presidential nomination.

In August, Robertson stirred controversy among Jewish people by saying that God would bring judgment against Israel for its withdrawal from Gaza, which it has occupied since 1967.

[Dutch]

I'm beginning to think all Christians are like this nut-job.

[st.cronin]

Flasch, you would make a terrible journalist.

[miami_fan]

I believe this apology just as much as I believe T.O.'s

[revrew]

I'm beginning to think all Christians are like this nut-job.

Awww, don't go there, Dutch. Y'all know me better than that.

[Dutch]

Awww, don't go there, Dutch. Y'all know me better than that.

Are you sure? A recent article by the AFP, which polled 7 completely random internet users at Berkley shows that most Americans think Pat Robertson is the pope. And if the pope behaves this way, obviously all Christians do.

[Flasch186]

Flasch, you would make a terrible journalist.

I didnt write it...I just hit ctrl-C and ctrl-V although I did edit out the ads for new mortgages and stuff in the middle....thought that that wouldnt really be needed :cool: