Survivor: Panama cast revealed today...

[hoosiergoody]

Some interesting twists, so they say. What else can they do to keep people coming back, aside from having all 20-something women on the show...? ;)

[Rasmuth]

maybe some mentally challenged people....or midgets...or circus freaks....

[oliegirl]

I don't know about twists, but there are some fine looking men on that cast!

[Lathum]

link please

[Maple Leafs]

Interesting twist... they'll be starting with four tribes, based on age and gender. Looking at the biographies, the "old men" tribe includes an astronaut, a fighter jet pilot and a fifth-level black belt.

[hoosiergoody]

link please
http://www.cbs.com/primetime/survivor12/

[hoosiergoody]

all joking aside from my thread-starter post, I do like this series, and am looking forward to the twists, and to the mix that they have this go-round. Sill a distant 2nd to Alias for me, but is still an interesting show.

[dervack]

all joking aside from my thread-starter post, I do like this series, and am looking forward to the twists, and to the mix that they have this go-round. Sill a distant 2nd to Alias for me, but is still an interesting show.
Everything for me is a distant 2nd to Alias, unfortunately, it's the last year.

[hoosiergoody]

Everything for me is a distant 2nd to Alias, unfortunately, it's the last year.

I hate that it is the last year for Alias. Agree with you 100%!

[Desmond]

That Shane dude looks like some weird "If They Made It" morph of Jennifer Love Hewit and Peter Gallagher. Also his name is Shane Powers. His sons name is Boston...........Boston Powers. Kill me now.

[MacroGuru]

Well.....


Since I won't have anything better to do on Thurs nights again...looks like I get to watch survivor again.

[Joe]

what did they do with all of the hot chicks

[Lathum]

what did they do with all of the hot chicks
tina ?

[Lorena]

Wow 3 minorities... better than previous shows.

[Maple Leafs]

Wow 3 minorities... better than previous shows.
.. combined.

[General Mike]

Misty aint too bad.

[Swaggs]

Has there ever been a young, black woman on Survivor? It seems like they always have a 35-45 black woman.

I'm also disappointed to see no former NFL QBs again. Babe Laufenberg will have to wait another year, I guess.

[Lathum]

Has there ever been a young, black woman on Survivor? It seems like they always have a 35-45 black woman.

I'm also disappointed to see no former NFL QBs again. Babe Laufenberg will have to wait another year, I guess.
there was the ultra ripped young black girl that was on one season and she was also on all stars, but i forget her name.

[Toddzilla]

Has there ever been a young, black woman on Survivor? It seems like they always have a 35-45 black woman.

I'm also disappointed to see no former NFL QBs again. Babe Laufenberg will have to wait another year, I guess.

Yes - I think her name was Vecepia - Survivor Thailand? She ended up flying under the radar and winning the whloe shebang when the favorite - old guy Pascal - was kicked out after a tie vote and he drew the short straw with only 5 people left.

[Joe]

I think Tina is the woman who was suppossed to be on last season, but her son died right before and she couldnt go.

[hoosiergoody]

Has there ever been a young, black woman on Survivor? It seems like they always have a 35-45 black woman.

I'm also disappointed to see no former NFL QBs again. Babe Laufenberg will have to wait another year, I guess.

1st one had Ramona (28), 2nd one had Alicia (32), 4th had Vecepia (36, but won), 5th had Ghandia (33), 6th had JoAnna (31), 8th had Alicia again...

Can't do research on QB's- only the one.

Agree with you in the fact that only Ramona actually looked young...

[General Mike]

there was the ultra ripped young black girl that was on one season and she was also on all stars, but i forget her name.

Alicia.

[Maple Leafs]

Has there ever been a young, black woman on Survivor? It seems like they always have a 35-45 black woman.

The black guy is always young and lazy. The black woman is always older and sassy. Also, latinos need to be firey and anyone from the south is a bigot (although he will eventually learn to accept the gay guy, who will of course be mincingly gay). This is the way it is on reality shows.

Not sure what stereotype they'll break out for the asian guy, although having him be a karate black belt is a good start.

[Hoya1]

Tijuana Bradley. She was the only really hot black chick. Big boobs too, if I remember correctly

[Eaglesfan27]

I've never watched a single Survivor episode, but the idea of 4 tribes based on gender and age is intriguing. Particularly, the older guy tribe mentioned in this thread. I might give it a shot this year.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

I've never watched a single Survivor episode, but the idea of 4 tribes based on gender and age is intriguing. Particularly, the older guy tribe mentioned in this thread. I might give it a shot this year.

Just be prepared to lose your Thursday nights for the forseeable future. Once you start, you can't stop. Take it from a Survivor watcher who's seen every episode from the very beginning.

[Swaggs]

Just be prepared to lose your Thursday nights for the forseeable future. Once you start, you can't stop. Take it from a Survivor watcher who's seen every episode from the very beginning.

I agree here, but also advise you to give it a few episodes. The first few are overwhelming because there are so many contestants, but if you watch one season, you will be hooked.

[Joe]

just saw a commercial, and the 4 tribes don't last for very long..

[TazFTW]

Danielle http://images.dvdtalk.com/images/smilies/drool.gif

The older women tribe is useless. How the heck was Cirie able to convince the other two women to keep her?

Go Bruce! I think the winner is coming from the older men tribe, probably the NASA guy or the Airline pilot.

[FBPro]

Danielle http://images.dvdtalk.com/images/smilies/drool.gif

The older women tribe is useless. How the heck was Cirie able to convince the other two women to keep her?

Go Bruce! I think the winner is coming from the older men tribe, probably the NASA guy or the Airline pilot.
Wow, that tribe tonight screwed themselves BIGTIME. Voting Tina(I think was her name) off and keeping Cirie, OMG they'll be dead in no time.

[Raiders Army]

just saw a commercial, and the 4 tribes don't last for very long..
Nice observation. We watched the previews last night and we thought they just switched up the tribes. Reducing the tribes makes more sense...

[Mota]

Nice observation. We watched the previews last night and we thought they just switched up the tribes. Reducing the tribes makes more sense...

I disagree with you here. As soon as they go back to 2 tribes it brings back the "I have more people after the merge so I win!!!" feel to Survivor. Coming from someone who has seen all episodes, it gets much too predictable after one side has a numbers advantage. With 4 tribes there would be a lot more room for twists and turns.

[Raiders Army]

I disagree with you here. As soon as they go back to 2 tribes it brings back the "I have more people after the merge so I win!!!" feel to Survivor. Coming from someone who has seen all episodes, it gets much too predictable after one side has a numbers advantage. With 4 tribes there would be a lot more room for twists and turns.
Who says they go to 2 tribes? It would make sense for them to go to 3 tribes. Split the older women amongst the other three tribes. You would have 3 teams of 5.

[Toddzilla]

Based on the previews for next week - with one of the girls complaining about how one of the boys was behaving - it indicates that they indeed do switch up the tribes somewhat.

I think it would be a nice idea to keep the tribes as even as possible right up to the merge. That way the competitions don't become a numbers game, rather a fair fight. It kind of sucked when one tribe had to sit out 4 people to make the teams even.

[rkmsuf]

the girl on exile island was kind of hot

I'd hit it right at tribal council.

[hoosiergoody]

if the tribes were the normal 2 vs. 4, tina would still be around. she would be too valuable to cut off right away. I remember the old song "Older women make good lovers" -in this case it should be changed to "Older women make bad choices" :D

[KevinNU7]

if the tribes were the normal 2 vs. 4, tina would still be around. she would be too valuable to cut off right away. I remember the old song "Older women make good lovers" -in this case it should be changed to "Older women make bad choices" :D
At the beginning the tribe mate that orders the other around always gets voted off. I thought this season would be different since the tribes are so small and she has all these skills that they need. Meanwhile they have a fat cow in there group afraid of the woods. But I guess not, I guess people who haven't bathed in 3 days and have been sleeping on the ground with rats crawling on them really hate people bossing them around.

[Raven]

How do you go on Survivor and say you are afraid of leaves?

[rkmsuf]

How do you go on Survivor and say you are afraid of leaves?


Or wear that bathing suit.

[Raiders Army]

How do you go on Survivor and say you are afraid of leaves?
She looks like she's on the wrong show. The Biggest Loser is on NBC.

[Raiders Army]

Ruth Marie is a MILF.

[Sublime 2]

Or wear that bathing suit.

That was a crime against humanity!! Oh me and the woman were watching that and just shaking our heads!

[kingfc22]

Daniele = HOT!! I hope she doesn't get voted off for a long time.

The meatheads look clueless, just look at the shelter they built. Right now I'd put my money on the NASA guy or the fighter pilot to win.

As for the older women, buh bye. You voted off whatever chance you had at winning anything.

[yabanci]

I've never watched survivor in the past, but I caught some of it last night. I thought it was really strange that the young guys, for example, were completely clueless on how to start a fire or make a shelter. I'm assuming that these people get notice that they've been picked to be on the show. If that's the case, wouldn't you go out and learn all about survivalism, reading books or at least talking to a boy scout or something? Isn't there a million dollars at stake? They all seemed so clueless, unprepared, out of shape (some of them), etc. It seemed hokey.

[Joe]

this season should've been called Survivor: Danielle's Cleavage

[kingfc22]

this season should've been called Survivor: Danielle's Cleavagepics plz.http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/biggrin.gifhttp://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/biggrin.gifhttp://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/biggrin.gif


Sorry couldn't resist.

[Desmond]

I hope this isn't bannable round here but my lord this is as if all the stars alligned at once to provide the perfect framing of a pair of breasts.

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/921/greatness2he.jpg

[Desmond]

BTW, I didn't find a single likeable person in the first episode. They all seemed like twits and numbnuts.

[Bearcat729]

Ugh I can't believe they combined the 4 tribes so soon, but I figured they would

[FBPro]

Shane is a complete basket-case hands down.

[TazFTW]

Shane is a complete basket-case hands down.
Just damn.

Just damn x2 for Danielle's bikini...

Question for those that have watched all of seasons (I've only watched the first one and then started watching again when it was Chris winning on the lesbian tribe), has anyone said in the open "we've got an alliance and we're deciding between you two as to who we're voting out"? Just seemed off for them to go about it like that.

Speaking of the vote, why did they keep Cirie? Melinda looked to be more useful than Cirie.

Poor Bruce. :( First he doesn't get picked for dodgeball and now he gets put on the team that is going to lose all of the challenges (I'm thinking of a Tom's tribe vs Steph and Bobby Jon scenario again).

[kingfc22]

Ugh. I didn't update my Tivo so I missed tonight's show.

Anybody got a quick recap?

[kingfc22]

dola

Is Danielle and her perfect cleavage still on the show?

[AgustusM]

I think Shane is having more then just cigarette withdraws, that guy is just nuts.

[saldana]

this season should've been called Survivor: Danielle's Cleavage
either that or Survivor: Danielle's Gigantic Horse Teeth

[Raiders Army]

Speaking of the vote, why did they keep Cirie? Melinda looked to be more useful than Cirie.
Cirie looked like she was helping more at the reward challenge. Other than that, it looked as if Cirie and the black guy had a connection, which is more than Melinda had with anyone else on the tribe.

[rkmsuf]

The show is becoming predictable. You knew when they spent so much time on Shane that there was no way he was going home.

On a separate note I want to do Misty right on Exile Island. In front of Jeff.

[Raiders Army]

The show is becoming predictable. You knew when they spent so much time on Shane that there was no way he was going home.

On a separate note I want to do Misty right on Exile Island. In front of Jeff.
I'm with ya. On a side note, did you notice how eaten up her arms were? I think I'd go insane with that many bug bites.

[rkmsuf]

I'm with ya. On a side note, did you notice how eaten up her arms were? I think I'd go insane with that many bug bites.

didn't notice...i was too busy thinking about doing her.


Also, I'd love to bludgeon the fire dancer with a blunt object repeatedly.

[Raiders Army]

didn't notice...i was too busy thinking about doing her.


Also, I'd love to bludgeon the fire dancer with a blunt object repeatedly.
I agree with the bludgeon part wholeheartedly. But I'd rather pick her up and use her to beat the guy who's going through smoking withdrawal so they can both share in the pain.

[FrogMan]

I agree with the bludgeon part wholeheartedly. But I'd rather pick her up and use her to beat the guy who's going through smoking withdrawal so they can both share in the pain.
While he needs to share some pain, if I'd be on the team of the girl that lost the fishing spear, I'd probably keep some for her too... Try the spear in 50 feet of water, what a good idea!!! :rolleyes:

True about Misty's arms. On one camera angle it looked nasty, then at the challenge, I don't recall thinking it looked that bad...

FM

[Poli]

Cirie looked like she was helping more at the reward challenge. Other than that, it looked as if Cirie and the black guy had a connection, which is more than Melinda had with anyone else on the tribe.
That connection was her big ass knee in the back of his head. I don't care who you are. That had to hurt.

[Maple Leafs]

The producers of this show are geniuses. Putting a guy who smokes three packs a day on an island and filming his nic fits -- brilliant!

[FrogMan]

The producers of this show are geniuses. Putting a guy who smokes three packs a day on an island and filming his nic fits -- brilliant!
think about how it went when they were looking at the video he sent in with his application, video in which he probably kept lighting a new one every 15 seconds or so. They really must have gone "Man, we need this dude, he'll simply go crazy out there!" :D

FM

[Kodos]

That guy is a nutjob. We need to get rid of him and Cerie.

[hoosiergoody]

his being nutz will probably end up keeping him around- no one will view him as a serious threat. Wrong person once again voted out.

[JonInMiddleGA]

http://medialifemagazine.com/artman/publish/article_2794.asp

Move over, “Survivor,” there’s a new No. 1 reality show on Thursday nights: ABC’s “Dancing with the Stars.”

After finishing behind the premiere of the 12th season of “Survivor” on CBS last week, “Stars” jumped ahead of the veteran show during the 8 p.m. hour last night among total viewers.

The first hour of a 90-minute “Stars” averaged 19.1 million total viewers, according to Nielsen overnights, just edging the 18.9 million “Survivor” attracted. That would appear to be the first time a regularly scheduled show beat “Survivor” in total viewers during the hour since NBC’s “Friends” went off the air in May 2004.
...
The show was up 7 percent over last week’s 17.8 million at 8 p.m., and it grew in the 9 p.m. half hour. “Survivor” lost only 2 percent of the 19.3 million who tuned in to last week’s season premiere.

“Stars” grew to 21.3 million total viewers during the 9-9:30 p.m. half hour, even as CBS shot up by 5 million viewers for the first half of a new “CSI.”

But “Survivor” did remain dominant in adults 18-49, averaging a 6.6 to “Dancing’s” 5.0 rating.

[Raven]

They chose a group of very strange personalities for this season, and it doesn't look like an interesting recipe.

Cirie, yoga guy, fire girl, melinda, shane...I don't think i'd want any of them around for more than a couple episodes.

Karate Bruce looks interesting, but he seems to be an introvert and probably won't be able to do well with the alliance part of the game.

[Flame Eater]

I like the combination of Shane's withdrawls and Courtney's "Mother Earth, California Fruits and Nuts, oddball performing artist" schtic.

I'm betting on the fighter pilot guy and the astronaut.

[saldana]

I like the combination of Shane's withdrawls and Courtney's "Mother Earth, California Fruits and Nuts, oddball performing artist" schtic.

I'm betting on the fighter pilot guy and the astronaut.


when ever courtney's name and profession gets shown it says, fire dancer....anyone.....wtf is a fire dancer?

[TazFTW]

when ever courtney's name and profession gets shown it says, fire dancer....anyone.....wtf is a fire dancer?
They dance with fire. :) You can see it a lot here in Hawaii like during a luau or if you go to the Polynesian Cultural Center. Think of a cheerleading baton except both ends are on fire and they start twirling it around their body.

[Raiders Army]

I like the combination of Shane's withdrawls and Courtney's "Mother Earth, California Fruits and Nuts, oddball performing artist" schtic.

I'm betting on the fighter pilot guy and the astronaut.
The fighter pilot guy kicked some serious ass in the immunity challenge. I think he moved the anchor by himself for much of the challenge.

[TazFTW]

Poor Bruce.

The immunity challenge rocked. Seeing Bruce using a full guard, Terry using a small package, Danielle blurred. :D Good times, good times. "Cirie, sit on her!" http://images.dvdtalk.com/images/smilies/lol.gif Finally she does something.

Shane's alliance has got to be the worst alliance ever.

Nice to see the younger guys on La Mina choose the right pair to align themselves with.

[Swaggs]

That was one of the best immunity challenges I have seen.

[EagleFan]

I thought good strategy for that would be to dig entirely oppiosite sides of the area.

The when player one finds the bag, give some sort of signal to their team member(s) in which case a team member would say something to seem like he/she found it.

When the other team mobs that player, he/she/they would hold onto them for dear life while team member one yanks the bag from the ground and runs as fast as he/she can for the mat.


Just an idea that I was hoping to see. That poor girl had no chance once the guy got a hold of her and drug her to that team's mat. On that note though, didn't they make a mistake in awarding that point? Wasn't the team member supposed to be touching the bag and the mat at the same time? He was only holdnig her I thought and not the bag (he grabbed the back of her shirt and pulled.

Oh well, over-thinking things.

I want to see Terry and Dan do well in this game but that is uslaly the kiss of death. It's kind of freaky how pale Dan is though (not like I have much more color and he is a little darker than the present day Michael Jackson), I keep thinking that he has some sort of illness everytime I see him because of that.

[Glengoyne]

Just an idea that I was hoping to see. That poor girl had no chance once the guy got a hold of her and drug her to that team's mat. On that not though, didn;t they make a mistake in awarding that point? Wasn't the team member supposed to be touching the bag and the mat at the same time? He was only holdnig her I thought and not the bag (he grabbed the back of her shirt and pulled.


I think you are correct. He might have well gone and touched the bag before she recovered though. But yeah...she could have screwed him if she just stuck her foot out and touched her matt afterward.

[Raiders Army]

Nice to see the younger guys on La Mina choose the right pair to align themselves with.
Looking further down the line, I think that was the best option. I would've done the same thing. Chicks are fickle, will turn on you, and use you. An alliance of four is okay, but there would come a time when the two chicks would try to use you against your partner and vice versa. It's much harder for men to do the same thing to men because there is no sexual attraction there...at least in most cases.

[rkmsuf]

Misty, come back!

[CraigSca]

That was one of the best immunity challenges I have seen.
Very true - I thought, "man, these tribes are going to definitely going to hate each other after this."

[kingfc22]

Awesome challange last night. Shane's alliance will CRUMBLE before they even hit the merge.

[FrogMan]

Awesome challange last night. Shane will CRUMBLE before they even hit the merge.
fixed it for ya... The guy's a frigging ticking bomb...

FM

[Swaggs]

fixed it for ya... The guy's a frigging ticking bomb...

FM

Agreed. I was actually pretty surprised that the nature of last night's challenge, with it being so physical, didn't cause him to erupt and flip out.

[FrogMan]

Agreed. I was actually pretty surprised that the nature of last night's challenge, with it being so physical, didn't cause him to erupt and flip out.
Know what, I almost think that the physical nature of the challenge was a welcomed thing for him. Seems like it's when he's sitting down and thinkinf that the little hamster on the second floor is doing too many cartwheels for the space available...

FM

[saldana]

Know what, I almost think that the physical nature of the challenge was a welcomed thing for him. Seems like it's when he's sitting down and thinkinf that the little hamster on the second floor is doing too many cartwheels for the space available...

FM
i agree...which is why they should have sent him to exile island instead of bruce...shane would lose his freakin mind if he had to spend the night out there by himself....he would be totally useless when he got back.

[kingfc22]

when he's sitting down
Speaking of Shane sitting down. What is up with him and his "stool". He totally went bezerk for a minute last night.

[EagleFan]

Speaking of Shane sitting down. What is up with him and his "stool". He totally went bezerk for a minute last night.

That was weird. At first I thought he was just trying to kid around about it but by the end it actually seemed like he was being serious. He's a ticking time bomb. I think he was voted "Most likely to masacre his tribe mates ni their sleep."

[FrogMan]

Speaking of Shane sitting down. What is up with him and his "stool". He totally went bezerk for a minute last night.
that little preview is what made me write "sitting down" and not simply "walking around by himself" :D

The guy is seriously going crazy but then, wouldn't you if you were a three pack a day smoker and you quite cold turkey to go in the jungle with little food and water? I'm not a smoker, never have been, but from what I've been told, quitting can be very hard. And even more so, from his own description, he seems to have a very short attention span (mimicking video game playing on speed) and this standing around with no TV/xbox/phone/computer has got to be wearing him down on top of the no smoking thing...

FM

[EagleFan]

But on that note. If you were a 3 pack a day smoker and knew you were going on that show, wouldn't you quite before going?

[FrogMan]

But on that note. If you were a 3 pack a day smoker and knew you were going on that show, wouldn't you quite before going?
that's a given but I didn't say it was a bright move on his part. Heck he could move up to 4 packs a day when he comes back :D

FM

[FrogMan]

dola, and on the same line of thinking, would you really sign up to do the show if you had never lived outdoors really and if you were afraid of, say, LEAVES!!!! That was 3 episodes ago and I still can't believe she said that...

And yes, "sit on her" was probably the best advice they could have given her in that challenge :D

FM

[TazFTW]

"I'm going to drop a deuce" http://images.dvdtalk.com/images/smilies/rotflmao.gif

Can't wait to see the first time the tribe selects Terry to be voted off. ;)

I also hope that Terry reburied the bottle.

[EagleFan]

I said to my wife when he was selected. If anyone will find it, Terry will.

This idol could come into play in a big way. It could now allow Terry's group to have an advantage when the merger comes of being able to vote out who they want if Terry is the target.

On that note. If you were in the minority after the merger, would you let it be know that you had the idol to keep people from voting for you as they wouldn't want to risk being the one with the 2nd most votes at that point. I would go that way if the odds were stacked against me where just one simple use of the idol couldn't swing the numbers back.


Think of some of the possibilities. Terry's group could work on th eothers without tipping their hand until needed. He knows that he will be the target and gets his group to seemingly turn on him to try and sawy some of the others in their direction. Then have the others in his group vote for him the time he is being targeted so it looks like a unanymous vote and only his vote ends up counting to eliminate the other group's leader (Bruce?). He can then reign back in his group and see where they stand with the others who are left, where they should be able to easily split up that other team as they seem to have no cohesiveness.


Not sure if that all made sene in the wording. I think I overthought things.

[Swaggs]

I said to my wife when he was selected. If anyone will find it, Terry will.

This idol could come into play in a big way. It could now allow Terry's group to have an advantage when the merger comes of being able to vote out who they want if Terry is the target.

On that note. If you were in the minority after the merger, would you let it be know that you had the idol to keep people from voting for you as they wouldn't want to risk being the one with the 2nd most votes at that point. I would go that way if the odds were stacked against me where just one simple use of the idol couldn't swing the numbers back.


Think of some of the possibilities. Terry's group could work on th eothers without tipping their hand until needed. He knows that he will be the target and gets his group to seemingly turn on him to try and sawy some of the others in their direction. Then have the others in his group vote for him the time he is being targeted so it looks like a unanymous vote and only his vote ends up counting to eliminate the other group's leader (Bruce?). He can then reign back in his group and see where they stand with the others who are left, where they should be able to easily split up that other team as they seem to have no cohesiveness.


Not sure if that all made sene in the wording. I think I overthought things.

I think you are right on the ball.

If his tribe can go into the merge with even numbers, they would just need to let the other tribe think that they are ready to vote him out, and then they can pretty much decide who goes and get numbers.

I was wondering the same thing about whether or not it would just be smart to let everyone know he has it, since it will kind of protect him w/o him having to use it. There is a lot to think about.

[stkelly52]

But if I were on the other tribe, there would be no way that I would vote for Terry, or anyone else who had been sent to Exile Island. You have to get rid of the people who don't have any chance of having it first.

[BrianD]

I think it is better if he doesn't tell anyone that he found the idol. At some point people are going to vote him out just to get rid of the idol. If they do it right, they can get rid of his idol and still knock out the person they want with the second-most votes. It would be better for Terry if he could surprise people with the idol since he may learn who tried to double-cross him.

[Jas_lov]

Not sure I would tell anyone either. If it's 5-5 into the merge won't Terry want people to vote for him so his side can get the 5-4 advantage? If they know he has it, they'll vote for someone else and it's a tie. It's already 7-5 though so i'm not sure if terry's team can get there tied. And if Terry does have to use the idol before the final 5, it benefits the other members in his team because they can then vote him off and get rid of a well liked strong leader.

[EagleFan]

I don't know if I can remember a tribe that was such a wreck as far as relationships go. Wow, they have no unity at all. If the 4 person alliance Terry is on can stay tight, they could be able to take this thing down to the final 4 and then let it be every man for themselves.

[TazFTW]

That tribe really is dysfunctional. How do you have 4 different people end up with votes?

I loved the look that Shane gave when Jeff was talking about how this honesty would help them. Nice cowboying up for La Mina to win the immunity challenge. Bruce needs to roundhouse Courtney. :cool:

[Swaggs]

Bruce needs to roundhouse Courtney. :cool:

Amen. Courtney is high up there on the annoying meter. The Bobbie-Courtney wine conversation actually made me like Bobbie.

Too bad that Bobbie didn't keep his word with Bruce. If he hadn't voted for Bruce, he could have tied things up by voting for Courtney or Aras.

Aside from Bruce, Cirie, and Danielle (who probably has the potential, but hasn't gotten enough screentime), that entire tribe annoys the crap out of me.

[Raiders Army]

Actually, I think Aras is pretty likeable. I think he was right with Bruce that he should've gotten firewood instead of making a rock garden. Also, it seems as if he can argue pretty well for a 22 year old.

[TazFTW]

That tribal was sad. :( I think that tribal council was the most congenial one I've ever seen. La Mina is way too nice. I hate that it now looks like Casaya are going to have the numbers when they merge.

[EagleFan]

But the good news is that tribe is like a bunch of individuals with no real unity. They will jump alliances very quickly.

Plus, think how this could optentially work out post merger. 6-4 and the other tribe decides that they just cannot take Shane anymore and figure they have numbers anyway so get rid of him. Now it's 5-4 and then the idol that Terry found could come into play. Say he tells his tribemates about it and says, let them vote for me and we'll even this thing out. Now it's 4-4 and suddenly anyone's game.

Not saying that's how it would go, but it's not entirely out the realm of possibility.

[EagleFan]

dola: Hated to see Dan go but that may have been a good move by Terry. If he goes for the 2-2 tie and Dan ends up going home, he now is the odd man out who voted against one of the other two guys where now he is showing solidarity.


I thought for sure they were going to win that challenge with the lead they had before trying to solve it.

[TazFTW]

But the good news is that tribe is like a bunch of individuals with no real unity. They will jump alliances very quickly.

Plus, think how this could optentially work out post merger. 6-4 and the other tribe decides that they just cannot take Shane anymore and figure they have numbers anyway so get rid of him. Now it's 5-4 and then the idol that Terry found could come into play. Say he tells his tribemates about it and says, let them vote for me and we'll even this thing out. Now it's 4-4 and suddenly anyone's game.

Not saying that's how it would go, but it's not entirely out the realm of possibility.
I don't see Sally staying with the La Mina faction at the merge though. Once they merge, I see her jumping to the women. I guess the La Mina guys could grab Shane and Bruce. Shane can not trust that the rest of Casaya will be keeping him and Bruce has been an outcast the entire game.

[saldana]

i think i dislike casaya more than any other tribe i have ever seen...there is not one person in that entire group that i like.

[Raiders Army]

i think i dislike casaya more than any other tribe i have ever seen...there is not one person in that entire group that i like.
I liked Bobby before they voted him out.

Last night's tribal was pretty good. Even though Jeff tried to make something there and failed miserably at instigating "good TV", the men were open and honest about things. I liked the fact that Dan wasn't blindsided and that Terry was a man about voting him out.

[Maple Leafs]

Casaya is awful. Possibly the worst tribe of all time. The only redeeming feature is Cyrie, who could end up being the most interesting female contestant the show has ever had. She cracks me up everytime she speaks, and she really seems to understand the game well.

The producers really need to get away from their cliche of "open the show with the person who is getting voted off sitting by themselves and 'taking in' the experience". As soon as they showed Dan at the start of the show and he talked about how great the experience was, my wife said "Oh no, he's gone tonight". He might as well have pulled out a muslim prayer mat while he was it. Keep this in mind for the inevitable show-opening montage of Bruce meditating -- you know it's coming.

The tribal last night seemed too simple. While they were counting votes, I wondered out loud if the two young guys would be smart enough to know that since Terry was voting for Dan and Dan was voting for one of them, they could both vote Terry and take probably their only opportunity to get him out of the game. It would have been a brilliant move, and when Terry responded by pulling out the immunity idol it would have been among the great moments in show history. Alas, it was not to be.

I've wathced every minute of every episode, and I honestly have no idea who the 'other' young guy is, by the way. There's Austin, there's Terry, there was Dan, and then there's the other guy. Does he have a name? Has he done anything? Does he speak? Does the fact that we're six episodes in and the producers haven't featured him at all mean that he makes the final two?

[EagleFan]

The other guy's name on that team is... uh ... I have no freaking idea either.

[FrogMan]

it's Aras, the dude who got pissed at Bruce for making a rock garden...

FM

[FrogMan]

dola, just realized that the other guy that ML is talking about is the other in the current alliance of four, the guy that was talking with Dan on the raft, right? iirc, it's Nick, no? Could be anything to be honest :)

FM

[EagleFan]

Yeah, I know Aras from the other team. Can't think of the 4th guy from that alliance though. Could be Nick, sounds as good as any other guess. :)

[saldana]

it is nick

[FrogMan]

think about how it went when they were looking at the video he sent in with his application, video in which he probably kept lighting a new one every 15 seconds or so. They really must have gone "Man, we need this dude, he'll simply go crazy out there!" :D

FM
quoting myself about Shane. Think about the crew thinking of what kind of reward they would give the team: "Oh, we should send them to this little village. One villager out of two smokes, this'll drive him crazy, he'll have a smoke or a dozen and the habit will kick right back in. GOOD TV!!!" :D

FM

[TazFTW]

Just as you found out his name, boom goes the dynamite.

Who needs Isaac Newton and apples when you have Cirie hanging upside down?

It's a shame that Bruce didn't switch, I hate the Casaya tribe.

I don't understand why the preview for next week is mentioning Terry giving his idol to someone else. It won't help his side because it is now 6-3 and giving it would only make it 5-3. It would only have worked if Bruce switched and he used it to save Nick.

[EagleFan]

I was hoping that Bruce would switch, I can't stand the people on that tribe and it looks like that's who we'll be stuck with.

I think that it may make sense for Terry to now let the idea that he may have the idol come out. That may help keep him on longer as they may not want to vote for him if it's going to mean that one of them will be at risk if he whips out the idol after his name is revealed.

I hope they have a challenge coming up where the players chose who to attempt to eliminate. That usually shows the pecking order and gets the fringe people thinking about turning.

[Fouts]

They treat Bruce like crap for days and then he votes with them. Crazy.

If Terry hadn't won that immunity, it would have been interesting to see what happened. I'm not sure Bruce would have voted against Terry. Throwing that challenge may have been his best chance.

[Raiders Army]

Throwing that challenge may have been his best chance.
I agree. I thought he should have held on as long as possible, and then gotten 2nd place on the challenge, showing he gave it his all. Then they would attempt to vote him out, but Shane would be voted out instead. That would have made it 5-4 and given them a much better chance to break up the alliance of 5, especially without Shane there. He seemed to be a pretty big cheerleader for their team.

At 6-3, I don't see how they'll pull it out.

This seems as if it's a new season because of the 3 week layoff. As it stands right now, I'm pulling for Terry, Austin, and the socks chick. I don't want anyone else to win.

[gstelmack]

I don't understand why the preview for next week is mentioning Terry giving his idol to someone else. It won't help his side because it is now 6-3 and giving it would only make it 5-3. It would only have worked if Bruce switched and he used it to save Nick.

He was talking to the girls in that shot. He's trying to get the two young girls to switch away from Shane and join his group.

[mauchow]

It would have been absolutely high-larious if Terry protected Nick last night thus sending home Shane. Imagine that.. but he ruined his chance.

[Raiders Army]

*speculation on next week's preview*










I was just thinking after watching the preview, it would be cool if Terry pretended he gave the immunity idol to one of the people in the other tribe to get them to switch. They wouldn't know which one had it and it would induce extreme amounts of paranoia. We know he tells Sally stockings about the immunity idol. We also know that the other tribe become fractured (at least according to the previews). Could this be it?

[kingfc22]

Damn, that Casaya tribe is annoying. I just have this eerie feeling that somehow Cerie wins this thing by flying under the radar until the very end and having her tribe blow up around her.

[gstelmack]

I think Terry wins it. If everyone knows/thinks he has the idol, they won't vote for him, 'cause then he decides who goes home that episode. Who'll take one for the team? And he can just keep winning a fair number of immunities as well. He'd have to lose two of them AND have enough people willing to vote for him and risk being the one who goes home instead to knock him out. They can pick off his allies, but he has a ton of power right now.

[BrianD]

I also thought Terry should have thrown the immunity challenge. Hey may have lost his individual immunity, but he would have knocked Shane out and messed up their tribe. I'm guessing that Bruce would have flipped with a few more days around Terry and not Shane.

If Terry makes it known that he has the idol, the other tribe will pick off his tribe until there are two left, arrange a 3-3 vote against the other two, vote for Terry on the tie-breaker, have him lose the idol and vote off the other member.

I'm not sure how Terry is going to make this work for him.

[gstelmack]

I'm not sure how Terry is going to make this work for him.

Keep winning immunity ;)

[BrianD]

Keep winning immunity ;)

That would certainly help, but he is bound to slip up eventually. Using the individual immunity to get his tribe ahead would probably serve him better than using it to try to stay alive on his own.

[Buccaneer]

Was at my parent's house last week and they had this on briefly. We all made the comment about the lack of sunburns and insect bites on the "contestants". Shouldn't they have made that less obvious?

[saldana]

Was at my parent's house last week and they had this on briefly. We all made the comment about the lack of sunburns and insect bites on the "contestants". Shouldn't they have made that less obvious?
i guess you didnt see the part where they were all hangin upside down...they guys legs were ghostly white when their shorts fell up. as for the bug bites, you see them in the closeups all the time

[Maple Leafs]

Was at my parent's house last week and they had this on briefly. We all made the comment about the lack of sunburns and insect bites on the "contestants". Shouldn't they have made that less obvious?
Not sure about sunburns, but some of the girls have insect bites that are disgusting. Entire legs covered with red bumps and rashes.

[Maple Leafs]

Finally got around to watching last week's episode.

One of the things I find interesting about Survivor is that the producers follow a very strict set of rules. If you've watched for a while, you're used to the various aspects of the show that are always the same -- the pacing, the pattern, the order of the challenges, Jeff's various catch phrases, etc. There actually seems to be far more structure and order to the show than most, which sort of gives the show a very unique "feel".

This week was that the producers broke two of their own rules (for the first time, as far as I can tell):

- They used footage in the previous week's "Scenes from the next Survivor" that weren't actually in the show -- the medical team shots, which never appeared in the episode. The scenes from next week are always set up to be as dramatic as possible, to the point of being misleading, but they've always used actual show footage.

- They used instant replay for the machete incident. This has always been sort of interesting, since so much of the show involves physical competition -- think of all the close finishes, rules violations, physical confrontations, etc. They've never shown something twice, up to and include Mike falling into a fire pit. I wonder if they'll start doing it now.

The latter is especially interesting

[TazFTW]

The producers must hate Cirie. First challenge is an endurance challenge and then she has to dig a hole big enough for her to fit through.

Bruce sucks. :(

Looks like Terry will have to go on an immunity streak to win this. Good news though is that he has been winning them and the 6 keep voting out the people that actually challenge him.

[kingfc22]

I was really hoping to see a flop by Bruce and Danielle. It would be nice for a change to see the chumps on the larger tribe finally switch to the weaker tribe to advance further in the game.

[gstelmack]

I was really hoping to see a flop by Bruce and Danielle. It would be nice for a change to see the chumps on the larger tribe finally switch to the weaker tribe to advance further in the game.

I think they didn't flop because Bruce, Danielle, Cirie, and Courtney are planning to take out Shane and Aras once they get down to their 6, so they've got final 4 instead of final 5. Once they get rid of Sally, they'll be 4-on-3 even if Terry joins the other 2 guys.

And now that Terry has let everyone else know he's got the idol, he's in good shape as they won't vote for him even if he loses immunity, 'cause they're better off selecting someone to go rather than letting him choose. He's pretty much guaranteed final four at this point, if not final 3.

[Barkeep49]

Exactly because he has the idol they have to vote for him at the first opportunity.

[FBPro]

Does anyonelse think Shane is one of the biggest meatballs to ever be on the show besides me? They should have voted him off the week he was asking to be voted off....

[Raiders Army]

Does anyonelse think Shane is one of the biggest meatballs to ever be on the show besides me? They should have voted him off the week he was asking to be voted off....
I agree, but he's definitely entertaining to watch.

[FBPro]

I'm curious how many psych. meds he's on or will be put on once the show ends....

[Maple Leafs]

I'm amazed Shane has lasted because he's clearly a complete dick to be around. But as far as leadership and understanding of the game, he's actually a very good player. He's basically taken on the role of being the guy in charge of keeping the alliance together and he's done a brilliant job.

[Swaggs]

I also imagine that Shane is the person that most of the other players would like to be in the final two with, since he has not done the best job of making friends.

[Mota]

I have to say that Terry is one of the most dominating players from an immunity standpoint, but one of the most pathetic from a strategic standpoint. By not using the idol in the last 2 weeks to save one of his own, they are now hopelessly outnumbered and he would just earn himself 3 extra days by using it. If he had saved his teammate last week, it could have flipped the numbers and as a group they would have stood a chance to survive until the final few.

[Barkeep49]

If Terry had given it up last week it would have been 5-4 with Shane gone and I think Bruce would have flipped at that point. I agree that Terry's strategic game seems to be pretty poor despite his indvidual toughness.

[Maple Leafs]

Remember though, Terry has to give the idol up before the tribal council. He can't just hand it to whoever is voted out. My guess is that he gave it to Sally last week, hoping they'd assume Austin had it and vote for her.

[Barkeep49]

Remember though, Terry has to give the idol up before the tribal council. He can't just hand it to whoever is voted out. My guess is that he gave it to Sally last week, hoping they'd assume Austin had it and vote for her.
It seemed that Austin was pretty clearly the person they were going to vote out. There also was no mention of Austin knowing Terry had the idol so I don't think Sally secretly had it, especially judging by her reaction this week. Could be clever editing, I suppose, but still doesn't ring true.

[TazFTW]

Looks like we get Terry vs the hateable six.

Courtney seemed to be very comfortable that if Terry went on to the final, Casaya would vote as a block for the remaining final Casaya member. I hope that will not be the case.

From the preview it looks like Bruce may be going out on a medical. Of course CBS ran that preview before and all we got was Bruce chipping his tooth from the machete.

[Raiders Army]

Go Terry.

Maybe Cirie is the only pseudo-likeable person left other than Terry. If I were Terry, I'd act as cocky and arrogant as I could. That might keep him around (to go against in the final 2) if he loses two immunity challenges. Also, I think I'd get tired of their "six" BS and push back in whatever way I could.

[Wolfpack]

It'll be interesting to see how Terry approaches trying to fracture the G6. As long as he keeps winning immunities, he can allow the group to tear itself up at-will and as long as he holds the idol, he can also control who could go out if he doesn't win immunity (since presumably they'd all vote for him).

[Raiders Army]

Was anyone else like WTF when we found out he isn't keeping the idol on him? I wonder if it can be stolen.

[FrogMan]

Was anyone else like WTF when we found out he isn't keeping the idol on him? I wonder if it can be stolen.

I had that reaction when I saw the girl going through his bag. It's everybody for themselves in this game and I'm sure anybody could steal it, although they'd have a hard time winning over the jury at the end, but people could see this as great gamesmanship in some strange ways...

FM

[Glengoyne]

Looks like we get Terry vs the hateable six.

Courtney seemed to be very comfortable that if Terry went on to the final, Casaya would vote as a block for the remaining final Casaya member. I hope that will not be the case.
...

I think the history shows this is not likely. At some point the group of six will have to cannibalize itself, and feelings will get hurt. Someone is going to end up hating someone.

[jbmagic]

I think next season they need t change the format.

Instead of two or three teams like in past seasons, they need to make it one team only.

The way it is now if you have the numbers when the merge comes that team usually votes off the other team.

[Raiders Army]

I think next season they need t change the format.

Instead of two or three teams like in past seasons, they need to make it one team only.

The way it is now if you have the numbers when the merge comes that team usually votes off the other team.
Not necessarily. I think it's really a rare situation when your original tribe stays together like they have. I really didn't see it coming since pre-merge they acted like a bunch of idiots (at least what we were shown).

If they had one huge tribe, what would be the real difference between then and now? I mean, they're always going to have some alliances.

[Raiders Army]

Dola,

Maybe if they did a format where they had one tribe that was separated halfway through. The jury could see what happens at all tribal councils. That would be different.

[kingfc22]

Go Terry! I can't wait to see this tribe implode. I hope Bruce and Danielle get knocked out first for being complete dumbasses for not making it 5-4 last week.

Jeff was good at tribal last night. He basically bitch slapped Danielle when she made a remark about Terry being cocky, when the 5 of them just sat out an immunity challange.

[wade moore]

Go Terry! I can't wait to see this tribe implode. I hope Bruce and Danielle get knocked out first for being complete dumbasses for not making it 5-4 last week.

Jeff was good at tribal last night. He basically bitch slapped Danielle when she made a remark about Terry being cocky, when the 5 of them just sat out an immunity challange.

I love Probst... I know many here hate him, but last night was a perfect example.. he said what Terry and Sally couldn't...

[Raiders Army]

Ummm...I don't like Jeffy, but last night he did say some good stuff. :)

[JPhillips]

RA: How can you say Cirie is likeable? She's afraid of leaves for God's sake. Why she hasn't been sent packing is a giant mystery to me.

[Raiders Army]

Her confessionals are pretty funny, sometimes unintentionally so. I remember one where she was standing in ankle deep water talking. I was like why is she doing that???

Last night's were pretty funny as well. I think she has some pretty good insight into how the other Survivors tick and has said some intelligent remarks about them.

[gstelmack]

I hope Bruce and Danielle get knocked out first for being complete dumbasses for not making it 5-4 last week.

Why would they? They are final-4 material right now, as Bruce, Danielle, Cirie, and Courtney are going to drop Shane and Aras as soon as they can.

[Swaggs]

I was a little surprised that Terry didn't try to get Aras on his side after that last challenge. If he would have approached him and told him that, one, I have the immunity idol, and two, Sally will use it on you if you do not vote with us, I think they could have gotten him to break.

On the other hand, I think Terry is pretty well set right now and, especially so, if he can win one more immunity challenge. One more immunity, and the alliance will break as they figure out that not all six of them are in the grand plan. Even without immunity, I would start flashing the statue and not say a word about who I am voting for. I think most of the remaining contestants would rather vote off one another, than risk a 1 in 6 chance of Terry randomly picking one of them off.

[TazFTW]

Poor Bruce. :( A blocked colon and bladder had to hurt.

"Can I do it naked?" :D What is weird is that I thought Shane was wearing pants when the medics came.

Despite the ganging up on Terry, the reward challenge was great. Good to know the tribe thinks Courtney is obnoxious.

I guess the good news for Terry is that he didn't need to use the idol or win immunity to get rid of someone.

I'm wondering if Shane is using his acting prowess (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0694615/) to act crazy among the group. I mean when he's doing the "confessional" he seems normal but when he's with the group, he just goes bonkers.

The preview had footage of Shane and his blackberry, looks hilarious.

[Raiders Army]

Shane and Cirie are the funniest people left. Does anyone else notice how Shane stands there with his belly sticking out? I also agree that he's acting since he's doing the Richard (walking around nekkid).

Courtney needs to STFU. I utterly despise her selfishness and stupidity. When she said, "Bruce's MEDEVAC just capped off an utterly horrible day for me." I was shaking my head. It made it sound like Bruce did it on purpose to disrupt her life. I think what most people would've been saying was "After going through a horrible reward challenge, seeing Bruce in phyiscal pain makes my emotional pain seem like nothing."

[Swaggs]

I think he said he took off his pants to help with the stretcher because he didn't want to sleep in wet pants.

[kingfc22]

Right now I think Cirie has to be the favorite to win it.

No way Courtney wins.
Terry can't possibly win all the immunity challanges?
Danielle is lazy as hell and will get the boot soon after Terry.
Shane and Cirie will gang up on Aras to get rid of him.
Cirie wins head to head with Shane.

[Subby]

Cirie-Aras-Danielle have a pretty solid alliance. I have to think that the if Terry can be gotten rid of prior to the final three, you'll see a Danielle v Aras final, with Aras for teh win.

[JPhillips]

So should I spoil this by pointing out that there's been another betting scandal that seems to pinpoint the two finalists?

[jbmagic]

So should I spoil this by pointing out that there's been another betting scandal that seems to pinpoint the two finalists?


Its already been mention who will win this year survivor in this thread. They found out who going to win it all and they close the betting site.

If you want to know who wins it all look in this thread. Someone already mention it.

[Swaggs]

I think Terry would stand a great chance if he got to the Final 2. He would without much doubt get Austin's and Sally's vote, and I would guess Bruce's vote, as well. The remaining four judges would probably have some type of hostility for being recently shut out of a perceived alliance and/or respect for Terry working his way through.

[gstelmack]

I love the whole bit about Terry not being able to survive a day on his own.

First, as an F-14 pilot, I'm pretty sure he's been through worse survival training than Survivor could ever think of. Second, he's already spent several days on Exile Island. I was just waiting for him to say "See you Aras, I'm off to survive for a day-and-a-half on my own" when he was sent to Exile Island after the reward challenge...

What a bunch of morons left from that tribe.

[JPhillips]

Greg: It was obvious to me that Aras forfieted the last qustion. He knew Cirie was going to take him and he didn't have the anamosity that comes with winning. Terry even asked him whether he did that on purpose and Aras grinned.

[marshall881]

Aras is really playing the game well. I don't think anyone would want to take Cirie into the final two with them. Therefore I don't see her getting there.

[Subby]

yeah - I agree that Aras is doing a fantastic job - the fact that he has been able to hold it together for so long with all those nutjobs around him is pretty impressive.

[Toddzilla]

I'd personally like to see a Survivor with 4 tribes, with 2 of them completely seperated and unaware of the other 2. Basically 2 mini-survivors going on. After each pair of tribes merge and then pare down to say 8 people, they are taken to a new location where they meet for the first time and compete head-to-head. Talk about a surprise - you think you've made it to the final 8, a guaranteed spot on the jury, then.....uh-oh.

[kingfc22]

I'd personally like to see a Survivor with 4 tribes, with 2 of them completely seperated and unaware of the other 2. Basically 2 mini-survivors going on. After each pair of tribes merge and then pare down to say 8 people, they are taken to a new location where they meet for the first time and compete head-to-head. Talk about a surprise - you think you've made it to the final 8, a guaranteed spot on the jury, then.....uh-oh.

Then take those 2 final 8's, split them in half and combine them with each other. That should help prevent the standard numbers game from being played.

[Maple Leafs]

Greg: It was obvious to me that Aras forfieted the last qustion. He knew Cirie was going to take him and he didn't have the anamosity that comes with winning. Terry even asked him whether he did that on purpose and Aras grinned.
I've wondered for years when someone would figure out that it's never good to win these type of challenges. He played it brilliantly -- he knew he was going anyways because of their agreement, so he let her take the heat. Picking Terry was his only choice if he didn't want to offend anyone on his tribe.

He was even smart enough to try (unsuccessfully) to prevent the tribe from splintering over the voting in that game. He said something along the lines of "Come on guys, this is exactly what this game is designed to do".

From a game perspective, it seems to me that Aras and Cyrie are playing on a totally different level from the rest of them.

[TazFTW]

"You get to eat as much as you want and I won't yell at you". Shane was hilarious. That quote, the blackberry, and his expression when Courtney was voted out were great.

Looks like Danielle needs a razor.

Terry keeps breezing through the challenges. Will he be the first to beat the car curse?

[Swaggs]

"You get to eat as much as you want and I won't yell at you". Shane was hilarious. That quote, the blackberry, and his expression when Courtney was voted out were great.

Looks like Danielle needs a razor.

Terry keeps breezing through the challenges. Will he be the first to beat the car curse?

Didn't Amber beat the car curse in the All Star season?

Cirie is one of the strongest mental players I have seen. She really has a good perspective of things. If she can avoid facing Aras or Terry in the final two, I like her chances.

I think Terry has to be the favorite over anyone if he gets to the final two. He has Sally and Austin locked up, and most likely Bruce, who seems to respect and admire him. And now, Courtney will probably be pissed that she got double-crossed and will favor him, too. When you consider that some feelings are going to be hurt as Casaya cuts its numbers in the next few weeks, Terry is looking great. He has almost pitched a perfect game, as far as I am concerned.

[TazFTW]

Didn't Amber beat the car curse in the All Star season?

Don't know because I did not watch All Stars. I did do a quick search and it says that Rob won the car and had a movie night with Amber.

[Glengoyne]

Didn't Amber beat the car curse in the All Star season?

Cirie is one of the strongest mental players I have seen. She really has a good perspective of things. If she can avoid facing Aras or Terry in the final two, I like her chances.

I think Terry has to be the favorite over anyone if he gets to the final two. He has Sally and Austin locked up, and most likely Bruce, who seems to respect and admire him. And now, Courtney will probably be pissed that she got double-crossed and will favor him, too. When you consider that some feelings are going to be hurt as Casaya cuts its numbers in the next few weeks, Terry is looking great. He has almost pitched a perfect game, as far as I am concerned.

I hope you are correct about Terry's chances if he makes it to the two. I was stunned when Courtney felt like people would like to bring Terry with them to the final. Being THE best candidate to bring to the final, that must just have been denial talking.

I went from hating Cirie, thinking she was worthless, to giving her some begrudging respect when she manipulated the older women's tribe to voting off "the outsider" who was doing all of the work at camp. I wrote that off as a fluke, and then just hoped that she didn't somehow coat-tail or fluke into the final. Tonight she made one of the best plays I've seen in the history of the show. It was the stuff that the game is made of, yet so few have been able to pull off anything even close to her move tonight. I've become a Cirie fan.

I'd be happy now with Cirie, Terry, or really even Shane winning.

[Sublime 2]

I went from hating Cirie, thinking she was worthless, to giving her some begrudging respect when she manipulated the older women's tribe to voting off "the outsider" who was doing all of the work at camp. I wrote that off as a fluke, and then just hoped that she didn't somehow coat-tail or fluke into the final. Tonight she made one of the best plays I've seen in the history of the show. It was the stuff that the game is made of, yet so few have been able to pull off anything even close to her move tonight. I've become a Cirie fan.

I'd be happy now with Cirie, Terry, or really even Shane winning.

I completely agree with that. I could not stand Cirie in the first 4-5 shows and hoped she got voted off each week. Then she just started growing on me a little bit each episode and tonight just capped it off. She's made some great moves and I applaud her for it. I'd still much rather see Terry win and I do like Aras but I wouldn't be upset if she snuck into there and won it.

[Joe]

Didn't Amber beat the car curse in the All Star season?


Rob won the car challenge and got to give Amber a car as well.

[Raiders Army]

Nice episode last night. The surprise vote always is nice although I think we saw it coming a long way off that it was going to be 3-2-1, Courtney, Aras, Danielle.

[marshall881]

What a masterful move by Cirie! I was also one of those who thought she was worthless, but now she is playing a great game.

[Barkeep49]

Terry's chances to use the immunity idol are almost up. If he doesn't use it at one of the next two tribal councils it becomes a moot point.

[Subby]

One of the better episodes in a long time last night. Theyhave had to really futz with the editing this season to make the vote look like it was up in the air, but we are to a point now where there is actually intirgue.

Good stuff.

[Glengoyne]

Terry's chances to use the immunity idol are almost up. If he doesn't use it at one of the next two tribal councils it becomes a moot point.

Is the hidden immunity idol good through the final four, or just until the final four?

[mauchow]

All Terry has to do is win one of the next two immunities to go to the final three. I think there's a good chance of that happening.

[EagleFan]

Think of the bargaining chip Terry would have if he won individual immunity on the last chance that he has to use the hidden idol. He would have certain immunity and would be able to bargain giving someone else imunity, that is priceless.

I would really want to get a chance to "use" that idol by the last chance to use it so I might even consider throwing that challenge just to use the idol. It would be kind of nice to hear "the tribe has spoken" and then pull out the idol and say "I have spoken".


On another note, Danielle is an idiot. She had a much better chance just telling Cirie that she was with them and then going with Terry and Courtney. She could very well end up as the next one voted out at this point instead of locking up 3rd or better. I would rather be on the same "team" as the person who has been dominating the imunity challenges AND has the "hidden" idol instead of now having to worry about where I stand with the others when it comes to a point where we can't vote that guy out.

[Joe]

even if terry doesnt win the next immunity challenge, I don't think they'll vote for him and let him decide who goes. it would be smart for the group to decide on someone else to eliminate.

[Maple Leafs]

Good to see Courtney has stepped in to fill the traditional role of "whining, self-entitled female who does nothing, coasts through the game and then sulks when she's finally voted out long after she should have been". Good work, Court!

On the other hand, after this week's episode Cyrie has easily wrapped up the title of "smartest female player in Survivor history", and is making a strong run at "smartest player, period".

[Joe]

I think Cirie should steal the battery to Shane's blackberry and then send him to exile island

[Swaggs]

Terry probably would get Courtney's vote in the final two now, too.

[Maple Leafs]

By the way, as much as I think Cirie is the brains behind the show, we need to recognize Terry's brilliant move of convincing Danielle that it would be "fair" for the top two in the final challenge to advance. I feel safe in saying that the chances of him coming in third to two girls in any sort of physical challenge are essentially zero.

[wade moore]

By the way, as much as I think Cirie is the brains behind the show, we need to recognize Terry's brilliant move of convincing Danielle that it would be "fair" for the top two in the final challenge to advance. I feel safe in saying that the chances of him coming in third to two girls in any sort of physical challenge are essentially zero.

The thing I wonder about for Terry, especially with the clips from "scenes from the next" is if his cockiness is going to cost him votes if he gets to the final two...

[Maple Leafs]

When it comes right down to it, Terry can be as cocky as he wants as long as he's up against the right opponent.

He has Austin and Sally's vote. Aras and Bruce would almost definitely vote for him over a "fly under the radar" opponent like Danielle. Shane might too. And Courtney will play the role of delusional jury member who gives a rambling speech about how they were betrayed and then votes for whoever can keep a straight face and pretend to care.

Here's a scenario -- what if Aras wins a few immunties and makes the final three? Will Terry still stick to his "top two go to the finals" agreement if it means he has to take Aras with him? I think Aras beats Terry in a close vote.

[Barkeep49]

I don't think Terry was under any obligation to do the "top 2" go to the finals except with Courtney and Danielle.

[wade moore]

I don't think Terry was under any obligation to do the "top 2" go to the finals except with Courtney and Danielle.

Exactly.. that was purely a thing with Courtney and Danielle, and was only to make Danielle feel better because she knew he would take Courtney...

as ANYONE would...

[Swaggs]

Agreed. I'm pretty sure that the deal Terry made was pretty well voided by Danielle not voting with him.

I still contend that Terry already owns the votes of Austin, Sally, and Bruce. Bruce is perhaps a little less certain, but he always talked as if he holds Terry in very high esteem. And I think Courtney will be pissed that she got "backstabbed" (before she could pull off a backstabbing of her own), so I think she would probably give Terry the money over anyone, with the possible exception of maybe Shane, who she seems to have a strange crush on (plus, he didn't vote for her). Between those four and the potential anger that the remaining players who get voted off will have, I am thinking Terry is pretty well set if he makes it to the finals.

[wade moore]

Agreed. I'm pretty sure that the deal Terry made was pretty well voided by Danielle not voting with him.

I still contend that Terry already owns the votes of Austin, Sally, and Bruce. Bruce is perhaps a little less certain, but he always talked as if he holds Terry in very high esteem. And I think Courtney will be pissed that she got "backstabbed" (before she could pull off a backstabbing of her own), so I think she would probably give Terry the money over anyone, with the possible exception of maybe Shane, who she seems to have a strange crush on (plus, he didn't vote for her). Between those four and the potential anger that the remaining players who get voted off will have, I am thinking Terry is pretty well set if he makes it to the finals.

You make a good point that he probably has 3 locked in, so really he just needs one more... and those people will backstab each other enough that at least 1 should fall in line.

[Maple Leafs]

If it comes down to Terry and Danielle, Terry will just smile at Courtney and say "You were a great player, you did really well in that one challenge, I don't see why the rest of them didn't like you". She'll practically sprint over to the voting booth to write his name down. That's his fourth vote.

[gkb]

I'd really like to see Terry win, but I don't think he will. He's been an awesome competitor though.

[Swaggs]

I'd really like to see Terry win, but I don't think he will. He's been an awesome competitor though.

I think he's got better than a 50% chance of advancing to the final 2. Only five players left and he has the idol. He needs to hope that they do not have a pecking order challenge as an immunity challenge. It seems like they already did that as a reward challenge, so I think he'll be alright there.

[Joe]

I think he's got better than a 50% chance of advancing to the final 2. Only five players left and he has the idol. He needs to hope that they do not have a pecking order challenge as an immunity challenge. It seems like they already did that as a reward challenge, so I think he'll be alright there.

they'll most likely do a "how well do you know your fellow survivors" immunity challenge at either final 5 or 4 like usual.. he could suffer there.

[TazFTW]

I'd really like to see Terry win, but I don't think he will. He's been an awesome competitor though.

If there is an All Stars 2, they need Terry and Tom.

Terry keeps on rolling through the challenges. If he gets to the final two, he looks to have 4 locks with Shane and Courtney being pissed at the Casaya 3 and Austin and Sally as Terry locks. Loved the reaction shots of Austin/Sally and Terry's wink after Jeff asked Aras why Terry hasn't cracked yet.

[kingfc22]

Terry should throw the next immunity challenge and hope Aras doesn't win. That way he can use the idol to send Aras to the jury.

Then all he has to do is win the final challenge and take Danielle with him to the finals.

Austin, Sally, Courtney are locks for Terry. Shane would probably be like 80/20 and Bruce like 60/40 in favor of Terry.

[TazFTW]

Terry should throw the next immunity challenge and hope Aras doesn't win. That way he can use the idol to send Aras to the jury.

Not too sure about that because Aras would probably win it (if it is a physical challenge) if Terry throws the challenge. If Terry wins then Aras can be voted out. If Terry holds both idols, Cirie and Danielle would have to vote out the physical threat of Aras, right?

[Raiders Army]

Does the immunity head trump the immunity necklace? If so, I could see Terry throwing the challenge. If not...

Anyhow, I think Cirie is the next to go. I hope Danielle gets voted off next though. If she went up against Terry, who do you think Austin would vote for?

[Joe]

I could see Terry winning the next immunity challenge, and then making an alliance by giving someone else the hidden immunity idol.

[Barkeep49]

I could see Terry winning the next immunity challenge, and then making an alliance by giving someone else the hidden immunity idol.
I actually see him doing this but giving the regular immunity necklace to the other person. Everyone already knows he has the idol and so they could publicly force his chosen of the remaining two to vote the way they want. For instance if he gives it to Danielle, as the previews hinted, then he basically leaves Cirie with no choice but to join him and Danielle in voting for Aras.

[Bisbo]

Terry has been one of the best competitors in the history of the show, but I didn't think it was smart of him to win the 'allocate the love' reward challenge - just too many opportunities to piss people off. Also, I would have given the other overnight to Cirie and her husband - let them have a private bedroom, instead of Shane and his son. Shane and son would have had almost as nice a time at the camp. I think Cirie may be the biggest threat to Terry right now.

[KevinNU7]

If Terry wins immunity he has to give the idol to someone else and say "I'm going to give you a free ride to the final 3, but if you win the final three immunity challenge you have to take me to the final two."

If Terry loses immunity the tribe probably won't vote for Terry to go home because they will essentially be allowing Terry to decide who goes with his one vote. I think you'd be more likely to see a 2-1-1 vote.

[Raiders Army]

I don't see any of the remaining three not wanting to take Terry into the final 2. Danielle and Aras would be idiots to take Cirie into the final 2. Aras and Cirie wouldn't want to go up against Danielle who bonded with Austin and probably Sally (in the beginning of the show). Cirie and Danielle wouldn't want to go up against one of the smarter people playing the game, Aras. I think it's a no-brainer to take Terry into the final 2.

[jbmagic]

I tought the idol was only good to use until they get to the final 4?

[gstelmack]

I tought the idol was only good to use until they get to the final 4?

Final 4 is the last time it can be played (i.e. you can't use it to get to the Final 2, they don't want to limit the Final 3 immunity challenge winner from picking who goes to the 2 with them).

[mauchow]

Great vote by Terry by allowing him to not be hated by Danielle by voting for her. I really didn't see Shane getting voted off last night, but that's the way it goes.

[Dutch]

Terry has benefitted from one of the least competative group of players in the history of the show.

Fixed it. The strategy of wiping out all the good players at the beginning of the game has allowed Terry to shine against the group of wimps.

I would be surprised if Terry doesn't win the whole thing. Everybody is voting everybody else off now and he hasn't had to piss anybody off at Tribal council. He may be annoying, but he's on easy street in the final 2.

Unless they can band together one last time to spite him. Which I guess I wouldn't put past these clowns.

Regardless, still very interesting to watch the group dynamics and how this plays out.

[LloydLungs]

Great vote by Terry by allowing him to not be hated by Danielle by voting for her. I really didn't see Shane getting voted off last night, but that's the way it goes.

No, I'm pretty sure Danielle still hates him for exiling her and not letting her hang out with her mom. I doubt that non-vote makes any difference.

I think Terry is pretty well despised by all the Casayas and would likely lose to anyone in the finals. Historically, being a challenge-hog means almost nothing to Survivor juries.

[Raiders Army]

Fixed it. The strategy of wiping out all the good players at the beginning of the game has allowed Terry to shine against the group of wimps.

I would be surprised if Terry doesn't win the whole thing. Everybody is voting everybody else off now and he hasn't had to piss anybody off at Tribal council. He may be annoying, but he's on easy street in the final 2.

Unless they can band together one last time to spite him. Which I guess I wouldn't put past these clowns.

Regardless, still very interesting to watch the group dynamics and how this plays out.
You're right. While good, he's not performed any herculean deeds. He was almost beat by Courtney in the last immunity challenge. I can really see the "nerds" banding together so the "jock" doesn't win the game.

[Swaggs]

I think Terry's best play is to win the immunity this time and give away the idol to someone like Danielle and tell her to keep quiet about it. He would probably request and hope that she would show some loyalty towards him, but the bigger benefit would be that Danielle would be looked at as a traitor by the rest of her tribe for screwing them over and then Terry would have a good shot of going to the final two with her, where people would be pissed at her.

I can now see every current jury member voting for Terry. Austin and Sally are locks, due to their original tribe. Bruce seemed to really admire and respect Terry. Courtney got screwed by all of the Casaya members when they flipped on her, while Terry was the only one that voted with her. Shane got screwed by Casaya last night and Terry picked him to spend time with his son, so the two most recent events that occurred to him would favor Terry.

[Dutch]

I think Terry's best play is to win the immunity this time and give away the idol to someone like Danielle and tell her to keep quiet about it. He would probably request and hope that she would show some loyalty towards him, but the bigger benefit would be that Danielle would be looked at as a traitor by the rest of her tribe for screwing them over and then Terry would have a good shot of going to the final two with her, where people would be pissed at her.

I can now see every current jury member voting for Terry. Austin and Sally are locks, due to their original tribe. Bruce seemed to really admire and respect Terry. Courtney got screwed by all of the Casaya members when they flipped on her, while Terry was the only one that voted with her. Shane got screwed by Casaya last night and Terry picked him to spend time with his son, so the two most recent events that occurred to him would favor Terry.

That looks about right to me. I have no clue what Danielle's gamesmanship is like. They would be key to her working with Terry.

[Thomkal]

Danielle has been a possible ally target for Terry at least two times now, and has ended up going back to the others both times. From the previews it looks like he's going to try again or she's going to come to him with a deal. Probably the best move she can make now that Courtney and Shane are out of the game. Wouldn't stand a chance against Aras and Cirie in the Final Two I think.

[Swaggs]

Danielle has been a possible ally target for Terry at least two times now, and has ended up going back to the others both times. From the previews it looks like he's going to try again or she's going to come to him with a deal. Probably the best move she can make now that Courtney and Shane are out of the game. Wouldn't stand a chance against Aras and Cirie in the Final Two I think.

As a bonus for Terry, keeping Danielle off the jury is good for him since you can tell they pretty much do not like each other now, so taking her to the final two gives saves him from a virtually automatic vote against him. Other than being a bit too cocky, which I think he is doing purposely to get under peoples' skin (but I think is somewhat questionable due to the potential jury implications), I think he is playing a near perfect game.

[Barkeep49]

I don't think Terry's asshole behavior comes by way of anything but nature. It was clear from the interview that he really did believe that wives mean more then mothers. This is only the latest example.

[saldana]

I think Terry is pretty well despised by all the Casayas and would likely lose to anyone in the finals. Historically, being a challenge-hog means almost nothing to Survivor juries.


i disagree...looking at the jury right now, terry has automatic votes from austen and sally. i would wager that he gets bruce's vote as well, because bruce will respect the fact that he won every time to get there. he will probably get courtney's as she is obviously bent about being voted off, and if danielle is the other finalist, he definitely gets courtneys. and i wouldnt be surprised if he gets shanes out of respect for winning so many times as well if you factor in giving shane the overnight with boston and the fact that he got blindsided out of the game.

i think danielle would be his best bet to take to the final, to keep shane and courntey on his side, and if he doesnt win, i may stop watching survivor, because who deserves it more than the guy who knows he has to win everytime and actually does.

[Dutch]

I don't think Terry's asshole behavior comes by way of anything but nature. It was clear from the interview that he really did believe that wives mean more then mothers. This is only the latest example.

What would your priority be? Wife or Mother?

And the reason I ask is that he had to give an answer and had to explain it. Any answer would either sound like bullshit or honesty.

[Swaggs]

What would your priority be? Wife or Mother?

And the reason I ask is that he had to give an answer and had to explain it. Any answer would either sound like bullshit or honesty.

I agree that there was no real easy way to explain it, but I agreed with Terry. (almost) Everyone loves their mother more than life itself, but you live with your wife everyday and would miss her more, in my opinion. I live 7 hours away from my parents, so going 40 days without seeing them would not be much of a stretch, but not seeing my wife, who I live with and see every day, would be much more difficult.

If Aras still lives at home, I could understand how he would miss his mother a lot, but I still agree with Terry that it is different when you are married.

[Joe]

Aras should just be happy Danielle screwed Terry, otherwise his ass wouldve been at exile island instead of her.

[gstelmack]

I live 7 hours away from my parents, so going 40 days without seeing them would not be much of a stretch, but not seeing my wife, who I live with and see every day, would be much more difficult.

If Aras still lives at home, I could understand how he would miss his mother a lot, but I still agree with Terry that it is different when you are married.

Agreed 100%. You're an adult, you should be used to not seeing your parents for a stretch. But a wife is your life partner, a key part of who you are, and is much more difficult to be apart from. Aras was just being a whiny baby.

[LloydLungs]

i disagree...looking at the jury right now, terry has automatic votes from austen and sally.

Actually, I'm really not sure I would be so quick to count Sally for Terry just because she was a La Mina. I don't believe she was ever particularly fond of him, plus she bonded with Danielle back in the beginning of the game. It all kind of depends on matchups. I think Aras could potentially sweep a final vote against Terry, though I don't see Aras-Terry as a realistic final 2 scenario so that's probably moot.

Terry-Danielle would be close. Terry-Aras or Terry-Cirie I suspect might get lopsided. I do expect Terry in the final 2 against somebody, though. Just remember, even though there may be some hurt feelings on Casaya and they never have seemed to like each other as a tribe, theirs has been one of the most disciplined alliances in the history of the show. Why exactly, I don't know, but I suspect that would carry over into a jury vote. We'll have to see.

[Dutch]

even though there may be some hurt feelings on Casaya and they never have seemed to like each other as a tribe, theirs has been one of the most disciplined alliances in the history of the show. Why exactly, I don't know, but I suspect that would carry over into a jury vote.

I have always been under the impression that once a player is removed from the game, they slowly lose their game alliances and by the time of the vote, at least half of the jury start to consider giving both players fair evaluation. If only half of the jury looks at both players equally, Terry wins.

[Jas_lov]

So did the fact that they showed Circe making her 1st fire after the boat reward a dead giveaway that she beats Danielle for the chance to go to the Final 3? Looks like Circe and Aras are becoming close and will take each other to the Final 2. Danielle would probably take Terry since that is her best chance. But I really hope Terry is able to win the final immunity because I think he deserves to win the most. It's gonna be an endurance who can stand the longest and hold the idol so Circe would have little chance, Danielle may present a challenge, but the rivalry between Terry and Aras is being built up nicely and it will probably come down to those two again.

Would you guys have given the hidden immunity idol to Danielle if you were Terry? They knew the other two were voting for her and Circe would have been gone without a fire challenge. Danielle could have turned around and voted Terry out, but I don't think she would have as Terry would take her to the final 2 and Danielle probably needs to face Terry in the final 2 to have a shot. I think Terry was right in keeping it, and it might become a moot point if Danielle wins the fire challenge.

[TazFTW]

"To be continued" Booooo!

Courtney can be annoying even from the jury. Nice "salute" from Shane. :)

I'm trying to remember who was in the last week's preview. Last week also had a shot of Aras, Terry and someone else climbing a wall (this week had a preview of Aras and Terry).

I don't think Danielle would take Terry with her to the final two. It seems to me that her best chance at winning is taking one of the other Casaya members. That way it forces Shane and Courtney to vote for who they think betrayed them less.

Would you guys have given the hidden immunity idol to Danielle if you were Terry?

Hell no. You can't trust Danielle. I would think she would tell the other two she has it and they just vote off Terry.

[Jas_lov]

Yeah, I agree taz. Keeping the hidden idol puts Terry's fate in his own hands to win the last challenge. Giving it to Danielle puts his fate in her hands to not vote him out. But, in reality, if she tells the other two she has the idol do they really beleive she'll have it at tribal council? Let's say she says, "Hey guys Terry gave me the hidden idol, here it is, let's all vote him off!" So Aras and Circe vote Terry, Danielle and Terry vote Circe, and Terry has gotten the idol back from Danielle, goodbye Circe. Do you really think Aras and Circe trust her?

Now that I think about it, you're right that Danielle probably shouldn't take Terry. Austin and Sally were in his former tribe and seemed to like him. Bruce would probably vote Terry as well. And if he doesn't, Shane and Courtney were betrayed by the remaining 3 which would give Terry 4 votes. I beleive Shane had a deal with Circe and Aras to vote Danielle off and they voted Courtney off instead right? So Shane may be more likely to vote for Danielle than Aras. Circe would vote for Aras. Terry could vote for either one, and Austin, Sally, and Bruce are unclear.

So if Danielle wins, she takes Aras. If Circe wins she takes Aras. If Aras wins he takes Circe. If Terry wins he takes Dannielle, Circe, or Aras or does it really matter?

[Raiders Army]

"To be continued" Booooo!
Ditto. Aras was an annoying little bitch last night.

[Swaggs]

Without giving away any spoilers, did anyone else watch the previews for next week (or Sunday, I guess) and get a pretty good idea whose fire was much stronger? Could be a tease, but it sure looked like one of them had a much bigger fire in those scenes.

[Barkeep49]

Without giving away any spoilers, did anyone else watch the previews for next week (or Sunday, I guess) and get a pretty good idea whose fire was much stronger? Could be a tease, but it sure looked like one of them had a much bigger fire in those scenes.
I thought the preview made it pretty clear who wins.

[gstelmack]

Without giving away any spoilers, did anyone else watch the previews for next week (or Sunday, I guess) and get a pretty good idea whose fire was much stronger? Could be a tease, but it sure looked like one of them had a much bigger fire in those scenes.

It wasn't even close. If the other one wins, I'd be amazed. It looked like the challenge was about over in that clip. Of course, maybe they just caught one fire flaring up and the other in a down moment, and it goes completely the other way...

[gstelmack]

they'll most likely do a "how well do you know your fellow survivors" immunity challenge at either final 5 or 4 like usual.. he could suffer there.

I'm still amazed they haven't done one of these yet. Would be awesome if they dusted it off for the final-3 challenge as a twist...

[Subby]

It wasn't even close. If the other one wins, I'd be amazed. It looked like the challenge was about over in that clip. Of course, maybe they just caught one fire flaring up and the other in a down moment, and it goes completely the other way...
That has to be what happens - taking into account the history of spoilers on the show, that makes the most sense.

[Wolfpack]

I thought it was interesting that they had all the buildup to the fire challenge and it was what ended up being done. It would have been interesting if they had thrown a curveball at them and had a different challenge.

[FrogMan]

I thought it was interesting that they had all the buildup to the fire challenge and it was what ended up being done. It would have been interesting if they had thrown a curveball at them and had a different challenge.

That's what I expected too, they've used the firestarting tiebreaker in the past, so people expected it to be that way so I expected the game planners to have cooked up something different. A gross crap eating contest would have been fun :)

FM

[Raiders Army]

There's a discussion on Survivor Sucks about the vidcaps from the preview for Sunday and who wins the fire challenge. Interesting stuff.

[Maple Leafs]

That has to be what happens - taking into account the history of spoilers on the show, that makes the most sense.
I'm assuming the same... I thought the clip was a giveaway spoiler, but in the other direction.

[Swaggs]

I wonder if Terry offering to give Danielle the hidden idol, had he won immunity, won him any favor with her if she becomes part of the jury and if that is why he offered to do it in the first place.

[rkmsuf]

they should have arm wrestled for it

[kingfc22]

Here's how I see it:

Cirie beats everybody
Aras beats Danielle and probably beats Terry 5-4, but it could go the other way.
Terry beats Danielle
Danielle has no shot. She will be viewed as someone who rode coat tails.

[Glengoyne]

I still can't believe that they just didn't bring the idol in with them and set it in a bag between them. Just reach down and pull it out. They would be covered either way.

Aside from that. It should have been obvious to Terry that Cirie wouldn't vote for him, because with him having the idol, it would spell her doom. He should have given it up to Danielle, cause there is no chance that Cirie would vote for him, unless of course Danielle had played him.

[Raiders Army]

I still can't believe that they just didn't bring the idol in with them and set it in a bag between them. Just reach down and pull it out. They would be covered either way.
By Terry ripping on Aras during the RC, I would guess that he follows the rules. :)

BTW, did anyone else think Aras was being whiny last night? I think he needs to grow up a lot since he made a statement that was totally false (the women statement against Terry). I'd like to see Aras lose. I'm pulling for Terry, Cirie, Danielle, and then Aras in that order.

[hoosiergoody]

It wasn't even close. If the other one wins, I'd be amazed. It looked like the challenge was about over in that clip. Of course, maybe they just caught one fire flaring up and the other in a down moment, and it goes completely the other way...


At the end of the episode they show Cirie's fire bigger, but then show the final immunity challenge footage with Danielle, Aras, and Terry; then in another commercial for Sunday night, they show Danielle's fire bigger than Cirie's and the same or similar footage for the immunity challenge.

Go Terry

[gstelmack]

At the end of the episode they show Cirie's fire bigger, but then show the final immunity challenge footage with Danielle, Aras, and Terry; then in another commercial for Sunday night, they show Danielle's fire bigger than Cirie's and the same or similar footage for the immunity challenge.


The Danielle final immunity challenge actually looked like it was the reward challenge with her grabbing the bag out of the sand. They were also showing clips of other challenges (people jumping off the poles in the water, for example). It sure looked like Terry and Aras were the only two they showed in the final immunity challenge.

But Danielle with bigger fire I believe. I bet they keep alternating those shots to keep everyone guessing.

[Maple Leafs]

Interesting that the final immunity challenge didn't look like an endurance contest, as it has been in just about every season up until now.

[Wolfpack]

Is the fire-building best 2-of-3? That may explain the discrepancies people are seeing.