Jan 2006 LOL...Wie misses the cut AGAIN!!!

[WrongWay]

Like death and taxes Wie once again proves she is all hype by missing the cut for the 7th straight time.



Where are all those Wie Warriors now. :p

[timmae]

dude... she's like 14 or whatever and she's playing against much older professionals who have been doing this thing for years. I still think she's amazing if she misses every cut this year... and she also can outdrive my dumb self by 50 yards, yikes.

I'm starting to think the happy wanderers aren't such a bad thing afterall.. ;)

[jeff061]

You are deranged.

[Jesse_Ewiak]

It's like Wie raped his mom or something.

[vex]

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=44887

[ice4277]

Seriously man, get over it.

[st.cronin]

what jeff said

[WrongWay]

Hey, I am having my moment in the sun here. This is for All those idiot Wie Warrior fans around here that thought she was the second comming or something.

Hell, in her last attempt, at the Sony she had the worst score posted for the entire day on thursday!

Wie is just not that good, and not getting any better. All hype and no results.

[st.cronin]

Hey, I am having my moment in the sun here. This is for All those idiot Wie Warrior fans around here that thought she was the second comming or something.

Hell, in her last attempt, at the Sony she had the worst score posted for the entire day on thursday!

Wie is just not that good, and not getting any better. All hype and no results.

lol

[Honolulu_Blue]

Hey, I am having my moment in the sun here. This is for All those idiot Wie Warrior fans around here that thought she was the second comming or something.

Hell, in her last attempt, at the Sony she had the worst score posted for the entire day!

Wie is just not that good, and not getting any better. All hype and no results.
So, a 16 year old girl failing to make the cut in a mens professional golf tournament is your "moment in the sun"? Wow. What a fulfilling life you must lead. I stand in awe.

[timmae]

All those idiot Wie Warrior fans

not sure what this is suppose to mean... is there a fan club I should send my application into?? The Wie Warriors??

Wie is just not that good, and not getting any better. All hype and no results.

Wie is good... and given her age she is downright awesome. I didn't expect she'd coast into "best ever" immediately because of it though. She may or may not get better and she may or may not end up having a long career. All I know is that I am in awe of what she can do right now. And I hope she continues to improve and play decent golf.

Aren't there some pee-wee playground legends that you can go pick on??

[21C]

Like death and taxes . . . exactly what I was thinking about this thread.

[WrongWay]

Wie is good... and given her age she is downright awesome.
What no comment about Wie having the worst score for the entire tournament on Thursday?

[vex]

So, a 16 year old girl failing to make the cut in a mens professional golf tournament is your "moment in the sun"? Wow. What a fulfilling life you must lead. I stand in awe.
haha:p

[timmae]

What no comment about Wie having the worst score for the entire tournament on Thursday?
Dude... a single round doesn't matter in golf. It's a cumulative score. Meaning her 68 the following day shows that she did better over those 2 days than 18 professional men did. That's just awesome in my mind. Tiger Woods happened to shoot a 77 in 1995... are you ready to dethrone him as well?

[CraigSca]

Because of WW I am now becoming a Wie fan. Good job, Wrongway!

[Joe]

I think Wie stole WrongWay's elmo

[Eaglesfan27]

I think Wie stole WrongWay's elmo

I think she stole his phallus. Must have been something terrible like that.

[Logan]

Hey, I am having my moment in the sun here.

While you're on your high horse, would you mind giving us your predictions on the hottest Christmas toys again?



I've been on these boards since they started, and its unreal to say, but with all the jackasses who have come and gone, WW is the only one who I really don't like.

[Toddzilla]

What no comment about Wie having the worst score for the entire tournament on Thursday?
I hesitate to comment in threads like these, but I thought it bears mentioning that you are a complete fucking moron.

[miked]

You are such a tool. I'll bet you Tivo'd it and are jacking to her missing a put or something. Why don't you concentrate on your own life rather than worry about the short game of a 14 year old.

[timmae]

wow... a united front it seems. We should start a poll to see how wrong ww actual is...

on second thought, maybe that's not such a good idea. Maybe leave well enough alone..

[cartman]

I don't think any of us here would come close to making the cut in even an LPGA tourney, and I'm sure that she'd clean us out in a skins game.

[Ajaxab]

Hey, I am having my moment in the sun here. This is for All those idiot Wie Warrior fans around here that thought she was the second comming or something.

Hell, in her last attempt, at the Sony she had the worst score posted for the entire day on thursday!

Wie is just not that good, and not getting any better. All hype and no results.

Don't know what the deal is, but someone's got a severe case of schadenfreude.

[waltwal]

this poor girl is the victim of some very poor management. i think it is long past due where she should concentrate 100% on the woman's tour and prove she can win there before trying to qualify in a men's event. it is really sad because while money is important it is also important to have a successful career. i know that if you asked tiger about the noteworthy things he has accomplished i don't think he would cite the amount of money he has amassed as part of his career highlights.

[Logan]

i know that if you asked tiger about the noteworthy things he has accomplished i don't think he would cite the amount of money he has amassed as part of his career highlights.

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2005/04/11/rigerkiss_wideweb__430x293,1.jpg

[timmae]

looks like a white woman with blond hair, a bad taste in shades and an irregular jawline... :D

[Senator]

moments in the sun come too few in these sad times. Bask Wrong Way. Bask in the sun like you have never basked before!!

[Young Drachma]

Hey, I am having my moment in the sun here. This is for All those idiot Wie Warrior fans around here that thought she was the second comming or something.

Hell, in her last attempt, at the Sony she had the worst score posted for the entire day on thursday!

Wie is just not that good, and not getting any better. All hype and no results.

Nah, someone else posted an 80 on that first day of play. She didn't post the worst score. Even after posting a 79 on the first day, she posted the best score of anyone who missed the cut today, shooting -2 (68) for the day and missing the cut by 4 strokes. (Corey Pavin shot 68 too, in missing the cut)

And again, like everyone always points out with this girl. She's just 16 and Tiger wasn't even playing this well at her age, let alone anyone else. She has no contemporaries and her time will come.

That said, I think that she'd be better served not to be in school and to have a tutor and to take more time to practice. I think that she's probably killing herself with having to worry about school exams, other stuff and then having to get herself geared up to play in a golf tournament for a few days with everyone watching.

Although, maybe it's having that "other" life that keeps her centered, rather than her just burning out at 21. So...we'll just have to wait and see.

She still beat 19 other players, plus one guy who DQ'd on the first day. Todd Hamilton, who finished #28 on the PGA Tour Money list in 2005 and her total score was still two strokes better than when she played there last year.

This was Wie's seventh time against the men, and fourth time on the PGA Tour, and she has yet to make the cut. She had a paper to write over the weekend, and a math exam on Monday, followed by a big test -- going for her driver's license -- on Tuesday. She returns to tournament golf next month on the LPGA Tour.

Her driving accuracy was Top 20 in the field, too.

I think she'll probably win an LPGA tournament at some point this year. So will Morgan Pressel, which should make the LPGA mad and happy at the same time.

I'm not drawing straws, but just saying that anyone that understands the game

[Desnudo]

Like death and taxes Wie once again proves she is all hype by missing the cut for the 7th straight time.



Where are all those Wie Warriors now. :p

I find your pleasure in the failure of a 16 year old girl disturbing.

[sovereignstar]

I'd say this thread has gone exactly how WrongWay wanted.

WrongWay 1, Guys who can't help it 0

[WrongWay]

Why don't you concentrate on your own life rather than worry about the short game of a 14 year old.
I think 2006 will be the 3rd time Wie turns 14 (removed)!

[duckman]

Don't feed the trolls.

[hoosiergoody]

:rolleyes: WW seems to show some intelligence here...

The attention that she is bringing to the game and to her very lucrative career that is STILL very much ahead of her seems to me a good enough reason to play in these tournaments. Would guess that any tourney that she or Tiger plays in draws 2x the tv viewers- some being the demented, deranged type who cannot wait to see them fail, and most being the "more power to her/him" type.

Any of us couch-potato amateur golfers who are happy to get a sub-90 day should go play those courses just once. Our sub-90 will easily turn to a sub-110 just due to the length/handicap of the course.

Let her have her day(s) of sunshine.

[MikeVic]

So when WrongWay is wrong again, can we ban him for being such an annoying prick?

[Julio Riddols]

A cigarette rests between her lips, but I'm staring at her tits.. Its the wrong way.

[Honolulu_Blue]

I'd say this thread has gone exactly how WrongWay wanted.

WrongWay 1, Guys who can't help it 0
You're giving him waaaaay too much credit here.

[sterlingice]

I'd say this thread has gone exactly how WrongWay wanted.

WrongWay 1, Guys who can't help it 0Yeah, no kidding. I love how when someone makes an NBA or NHL sucks thread, most people just ignore it. But make a comment about how some 16yo golf phenom sucks and there seems to be an irrational backlash for someone in a sport (women's golf) that ranks about 15th in people's conciousness.

SI

[stevew]

WrongWay has a supporter.

http://www.travelgolf.com/blogs/chris.baldwin/2006/01/16/at_least_peyton_manning_s_always_won_mor

At least Peyton Manning's always won more than Michelle Wie

Peyton Manning's taking a lot of heat right now for coming up small in another big game. Deservedly so. And it didn't help that Manning tried to shift the blame with a weak, "I'm trying to be a good teammate here, but we had some protection problems."

Hint: If you feel the need to start a sentence with "I'm trying to be a good teammate" or "No offense intended, but", it's probably better kept to yourself.

Still, at least Colts fans can take solace that Manning's shown himself to be more of an winner than a pure marketing machine creation. Like, oh I don't know, Michelle Wie for example.

Manning's more like Phil Mickeslon before he won that first major. He's won plenty of games, he just hasn't won the big one yet. Whereas Michelle Wie's would settle for a Scrabble victory about now.

Manning won plenty of high-profile, pressure games as a top quarterback prospect in high school. Sixteen-year-old Michelle Wie is now O for 31 in her pro career. The Sony Open makes 25 LPGA tournaments and six PGA events for the seasoned excuse maker.

Peyton only wishes he had that many playoff chances. He could have used Wie's "I want some chocolate" line after his Sunday of spraying passes. Might have saved him some trouble.

Of course, Manning cannot just shrug off losses. He's worried about a legacy, not just a fortune.

Michelle Wie's place in golf history? That's sort of laughable right now. But not really her fault. You can chalk that up to the vaunted Team Wie.

[jeff061]

Has Wie blamed her caddy?

[stevew]

Has Wie blamed her caddy?

"I'm trying to be a good teammate here, but we had some club selection problems."

[Subby]

I thought Mrs kippy wasn't going to be allowed back on the board...

[Huckleberry]

And again, like everyone always points out with this girl. She's just 16 and Tiger wasn't even playing this well at her age, let alone anyone else. She has no contemporaries and her time will come.
I always feel obliged to point out that comparing a female athlete to a male athlete at a similar age is not very compelling. Females develop faster and reach their peak earlier compared to males in pretty much every athletic endeavor.

As for Wie, she is clearly a great player for her age. But don't compare her at 16 to Tiger Woods at 16. A more reasonable comparison would be Wie at 16 to Woods at 20. IMO. Not that Wie doesn't hold up well in that comparison.

[rkmsuf]

I'd hit it once legal.

[kcchief19]

WrongWay's just upset because he didn't get a Michelle Wie Knows Your Name doll for Christmas. He got stuck with one of those damn Elmo dolls that Wal-Mart couldn't give away.

[FrogMan]

WrogWay better never miss the cut at anything, not even once, or I'm pretty sure that all the Michelle Wie of this world will be posting about it on message boards...

FM

[Galaril]

WrongWay's just upset because he didn't get a Michelle Wie Knows Your Name doll for Christmas. He got stuck with one of those damn Elmo dolls that Wal-Mart couldn't give away.


I would guess Wrongway had an ex-girlfriend/ex-wife who was of Korean descendant or something like that fucked him over. I read something personal. Geez it is just a sport.

[WrongWay]

I would guess Wrongway had an ex-girlfriend/ex-wife who was of Korean descendant or something like that fucked him over. I read something personal. Geez it is just a sport.
Sorry dude this has nothing to do with race.

I just hate overhyped, undeserving, spoiled brats.


I don't understand the strategy of putting her against opponents that she has no chance to beat. The only thing Wie is learning right now is how to lose. Shouldn't they put her in a position to win at least once?

How many people here were surpised at all that this spoiled brat was kicked out of her first women's pro tournament for cheating?

[jeff061]

I wasn't surprised at all when I saw this thread.

[kcchief19]

Sorry dude this has nothing to do with race.

I just hate overhyped, undeserving, spoiled brats.


I don't understand the strategy of putting her against opponents that she has no chance to beat. The only thing Wie is learning right now is how to lose. Shouldn't they put her in a position to win at least once?

How many people here were surpised at all that this spoiled brat was kicked out of her first women's pro tournament for cheating?I don't think it has anything to do with race; I think it has to do more with sex, but ultimately I think it has to do with the fact that you can't deal with a 16-year-old girl being more successful than you.

You hate overhyped, undeserving, spoiled brats? Where are your threads on the thousands of other overhyped, undeserving, spoiled brats? This is sports; you can't turn around without seeing one of those. Your countless Wie tirades make it sounds like there is something else for your rants. That is why you will get called on it every single time you do it. Maybe that's how you get your kicks. I don't know.

That said, I haven't seen anything to suggest that she's a spoiled brat. That makes you sounds like you are projecting traits on to her based on your feelings.

And you obviously know nothing of the details of her disqualification. She was disqualified because during a drop the ball ended up a few inches closer to the hole than it was originally, even though she dropped the ball BEHIND where the ball was originally. The videotape was inconclusive, but after talking with Wie and getting her version of the events and where she was at, they ruled the ball was a few inches closer than it was originally. Had she noticed this during her round, she could have accepted the penalty, but the spectator who noticed it didn't report it until after she signed her scorecard. Nice touch.

Wie's response?
I am really sad but rules are rules and I respect them.If she had played in the NFL and got hosed on a ball call, maybe she would have said, "It's clear the rules officials are cheating and don't want me to win."

Where have we heard THAT recently? Where are your threads on the sportsmanship in the NFL? Oh, they aren't 16-year-old girls. Got it.

[Ben E Lou]

Don't feed the trolls.This troll is done.

[jeff061]

So, what's the betting line on whether this causes a fallout or not :D.

[Desnudo]

I thought he was funny. I mean what sane person takes a stand on Tickle Me Elmo? Let's give some credit here.

[rkmsuf]

Banned for picking on Michelle Wie. What's next, Gerald Ford getting eaten by wolves?

[Samdari]

I think Wie stole WrongWay's elmo

I was just re-reading this thread, trying to find exactly what/where was the breaking point of WrongWay's banning, when I saw this and decided you never got enough credit for how funny this is.

[Craptacular]

I just turned on CBS to see the Nabisco Championship (1st major of the year), and Wie was in a 3-way for 1st. She's on 16, and just sticks her approach shot to about 6 inches away. 30 seconds later, Karrie Webb (who was one of the three tied) holes out from about 115 yards on 18 for an eagle. 18 is a par 5, so assuming Wie taps in on 16 and doesn't bogey 17, she should have a good chance to at least make a playoff.

[Young Drachma]

Michelle Wie is down by 1 with two holes in the final group at the first LPGA major of the year. Karrie Webb was tied with her and Natalie Gulbis for the lead, before hitting an eagle on 18, to end at -9. Wie birdied 16, so she's just one back at -8 and the 18th hole is a Par 5.

The commentating is awful.

It'll be interesting to see if she can close out, but I dunno..it might not be her day. That eagle by Karrie Webb was outstanding. Of course, Wie makes her own and the game is over.

Morgan Pressel (+2) and Paula Creamer (+5) didn't factor here.

[Young Drachma]

Ugh. This isn't good.

[Craptacular]

Getting interesting:

Webb done at -9
Wie at -8 with an eagle putt/chip from the fringe
Gulbis at -8 with a wedge approach coming up
Ochoa at -7 with a makeable eagle putt

And on the men's side, Phil Mickelson has a 12 shot lead. :)

[Young Drachma]

Why did she chip that thing?

[Craptacular]

Yikes. Not a good pitch by Wie.

[Craptacular]

WrongWay smiles somewhere.

[Young Drachma]

First George Mason, now her. Geez...what a weekend. I still don't understand the decision to chip on the fringe.

[Young Drachma]

Karrie Webb made some really nice shots though down the stretch the past two days and that eagle was clutch. So, it's not as if she's not deserving.

[Young Drachma]

Clutch

[Craptacular]

Well you can't say Webb and Ochoa didn't earn the right to be in the playoff. Wow.

[Young Drachma]

Well you can't say Webb and Ochoa didn't earn the right to be in the playoff. Wow.

Yeah, no doubt. That's what being a veteran is all about. Wie can learn from their poise down the stretch. She clearly rushed those shots on both 17 and 18. I think that's where her decisions not to have a regular caddy and not playing week in and week out really hurts her. Because she just doesn't have the real poise to handle situations like that and it's not like practice where you come back tomorrow and do it again.

I guess the critics who will say she hasn't "learned" how to win yet, will point to this as another example, but I think just being a young player had way more to do with it than that.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Urgh. I wish a new thread had been started instead of resurrecting and sensationalizing WrongWay's trolling. :(

[Desnudo]

It's only by learning history that we will repeat it or something.

Wie wins local qualifier for Men's US Open

http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/news/story?id=2446362

[BrianD]

I still think she is pushing too far too fast in a potentially career-damaging way, but if she makes the Open, she will certainly have earned it. Playing through all of the qualification matches is not easy. Out of curiosity, anyone know how many more levels she would have to play before qualifying for the Open?

[SackAttack]

I still think she is pushing too far too fast in a potentially career-damaging way, but if she makes the Open, she will certainly have earned it. Playing through all of the qualification matches is not easy. Out of curiosity, anyone know how many more levels she would have to play before qualifying for the Open?

She just finished the local qualifiers. If she wins the sectional qualifiers, she's in the U.S. Open field.

[IwasHere]

So Wie beats up on some local middle-schoolers in front of a crowd of a couple dozen. Is this big news?

Others to Qualify were a 15 year old boy from the local middle school.

[moriarty]

So Wie beats up on some local middle-schoolers in front of a crowd of a couple dozen. Is this big news?

Others to Qualify were a 15 year old boy from the local middle school.

If she qualifies from the sectional it will be quite an accomplishment ... there's a lot of touring pros that won't.

A few years back at Bethpage, some high school boy qualified for the US Open. Not sure what ever happened to him ...

[BrianD]

So Wie beats up on some local middle-schoolers in front of a crowd of a couple dozen. Is this big news?

Others to Qualify were a 15 year old boy from the local middle school.

It is posts like these that get me lumped in with the crazy Wie-bashing crowd. Obviously this first round is nowhere near the competition of the sectionals or the Open itself, but it takes a pretty good round of golf to get through. This is clearly treated as bigger news because it is Wie and the papers are trying to push her as much as possible, but comparing it to beating up on some middle-schoolers is pretty silly.

[Franklinnoble]

Actually, if the dude's 15, he ought to be in high school already ... slacker.

[Bee]

Others to Qualify were a 15 year old boy from the local middle school.

Congrats Shorty!

[kcchief19]

So Wie beats up on some local middle-schoolers in front of a crowd of a couple dozen. Is this big news?

Others to Qualify were a 15 year old boy from the local middle school.
He's a freshman in high school, not middle school, and he is an accomplished junior golfer, winning the Hawaii State Junior Title and the Callaway Golf PGA Junior Tour Series. He already has a sixth place finish in the men's state amateur and he came within two strokes of becoming the youngest person to ever qualifiy for a PGA tour event.

Just your typical local middle schooler that she beat -- a kid who will probably be playing PGA Tour events before he's 18.

[kcchief19]

It is posts like these that get me lumped in with the crazy Wie-bashing crowd. Obviously this first round is nowhere near the competition of the sectionals or the Open itself, but it takes a pretty good round of golf to get through. This is clearly treated as bigger news because it is Wie and the papers are trying to push her as much as possible, but comparing it to beating up on some middle-schoolers is pretty silly.
See, and I'm the opposite. People searching high and low for ways and reasons to criticize her make me a bigger fan of her because she clearly has obstacles to overcome regarding people who critcize her for no real good reason. Why skin off anybody's nose is it if Wie plays with the men if she's good enough? She's not suing for the right to play or getting sponsor exepmptions and shooting a David Duval-esque 86. She's going out there and playing and trying to win. Good for her.

Local qualifying isn't a tremendouse deal. It's the sectional qualifying that's a bear. I'll bet she's not uncorking champagne for winning the local qualifier, but there's not reason to run her down for winning a local qualifier either.

[SackAttack]

See, and I'm the opposite. People searching high and low for ways and reasons to criticize her make me a bigger fan of her because she clearly has obstacles to overcome regarding people who critcize her for no real good reason. Why skin off anybody's nose is it if Wie plays with the men if she's good enough? She's not suing for the right to play or getting sponsor exepmptions and shooting a David Duval-esque 86. She's going out there and playing and trying to win. Good for her.

Local qualifying isn't a tremendouse deal. It's the sectional qualifying that's a bear. I'll bet she's not uncorking champagne for winning the local qualifier, but there's not reason to run her down for winning a local qualifier either.

Right. Anybody else wins the local qualifier and it doesn't even make the back page. With Wie, farting is news. It's not her fault the media is just breathless waiting for her to win the Masters.

[BrianD]

See, and I'm the opposite. People searching high and low for ways and reasons to criticize her make me a bigger fan of her because she clearly has obstacles to overcome regarding people who critcize her for no real good reason. Why skin off anybody's nose is it if Wie plays with the men if she's good enough? She's not suing for the right to play or getting sponsor exepmptions and shooting a David Duval-esque 86. She's going out there and playing and trying to win. Good for her.

Local qualifying isn't a tremendouse deal. It's the sectional qualifying that's a bear. I'll bet she's not uncorking champagne for winning the local qualifier, but there's not reason to run her down for winning a local qualifier either.

I don't think I am looking for reasons to criticize her. I really do believe that she could be good enough to compete with the men, I just think she could be going about it a better way.

She clearly wants to play against the best competition and she thinks that will make her better. In the process, she is probably looking to cash in a bit on her fame while going through the process. I happen to believe that she will stunt her progress by going this route. Having stretch goals are a good thing, but if you reach too high you will start to not really try to reach the goals you know are unreachable. I would advise her to hold off on trying to play with the men, and get a taste for winning on the women's tour. Even though she has come close to winning on the women's tour, she hasn't yet. You need to win a few times to let the hunger build and to get used to winning.

While you may cheer for her more because others are rooting against her, the fact is that she isn't gaining nearly as many fans as if she dominated on the women's tour for a couple years. This will also hurt her career since she won't have as big a fan base to feed off of.

If she does qualify for the Men's Open, she will have earned the right to be there and I won't say anything about her not deserving to be there. But I would still say that I think she is doing herself a disservce by reaching so high already.

If she did things right, I could see her being the biggest name in women's golf and possibly golf in general. I just worry that she isn't even going to be playing golf in 5 years the way she is going.

[IwasHere]

I blame Nike for making her compete in some of these tournaments and not allowing her to play full time on the women's circuit. I guess Nike has decided that they do not want her losing to amateur girls her same age. Nike was fast to anounce how Wie made the cut at some men's Asian tournament last month, but did not mention the fact that a couple years ago a 13 year old Korean girl had made the cut at the same men's tournament.

A 15 year old 9th graded to me is a Middle Schooler.

[sovereignstar]

A 15 year old 9th graded to me is a Middle Schooler.

Are college freshmen considered high schoolers to you as well?

[Axxon]

Right. Anybody else wins the local qualifier and it doesn't even make the back page. With Wie, farting is news. It's not her fault the media is just breathless waiting for her to win the Masters.

False, I ran into Wie at a 7/11 and she broke horrendous wind and it didn't even make the local paper.

[IwasHere]

Are college freshmen considered high schoolers to you as well?
No.

Middle School 7-9
High School 10-12

What is it in your area?

[wade moore]

I blame Nike for making her compete in some of these tournaments and not allowing her to play full time on the women's circuit. I guess Nike has decided that they do not want her losing to amateur girls her same age. Nike was fast to anounce how Wie made the cut at some men's Asian tournament last month, but did not mention the fact that a couple years ago a 13 year old Korean girl had made the cut at the same men's tournament.

A 15 year old 9th graded to me is a Middle Schooler.

Umm... I'm curious as to where 9th graders are Middle Schoolers.. in most of the US, High School is Grade 9-12...

[Axxon]

Umm... I'm curious as to where 9th graders are Middle Schoolers.. in most of the US, High School is Grade 9-12...

Depends on the school district actually.

[IwasHere]

In most US schools 9th graders are NOT High schoolers

[Axxon]

In most US schools 9th graders are NOT High schoolers

Other way around actually but again, both systems are used.

[scooper]

In most US schools 9th graders are NOT High schoolers

You're wrong. Most 9th graders are high schoolers.

[Young Drachma]

No.

Middle School 7-9
High School 10-12

What is it in your area?

In New Jersey, when my parents were growing up..it was Middle school 7-9 and High School 10-12.

When I went through, 7-8 for Middle School 9-12 for high school.

Now? In my home district specifically, its 6-8 for middle school and 9-12 for high school.

[IwasHere]

I am just repeating what I was told. When I went to school 9th grade has high School. There was no such thing as middle School. Grade School --> Junior High --> High School.

Now 9th graders are no longer in the High School and there is this new school called Middle School somewhere in the equation.

[Bee]

When I was in 9th Grade, it was still Middle School. High School was 10-12.

[stevew]

Umm... I'm curious as to where 9th graders are Middle Schoolers.. in most of the US, High School is Grade 9-12...

Yeah, it's 1-5, 678, and 9-12 in VA. Unfortunately you get a bunch of 16 year old 6th graders there, but that's a different issue for a different day.

[Julio Riddols]

Fuck most 9th graders.

[MikeVick7]

Umm... I'm curious as to where 9th graders are Middle Schoolers.. in most of the US, High School is Grade 9-12...
This is how it was in the city I grew up in.

7-9 Jr. High School
10-12 High School

[Young Drachma]

I blame Nike for making her compete in some of these tournaments and not allowing her to play full time on the women's circuit. I guess Nike has decided that they do not want her losing to amateur girls her same age. Nike was fast to anounce how Wie made the cut at some men's Asian tournament last month, but did not mention the fact that a couple years ago a 13 year old Korean girl had made the cut at the same men's tournament.

A 15 year old 9th graded to me is a Middle Schooler.

Nike surely isn't pulling the strings on her.

And 9th graders are high schoolers. That's why HS kids have 4 years of eligibility in most places.

Anyway...Michelle seems fairly resolute that these are her goals and she wants to do this stuff. A Korean Girl did not make the cut at that same men's tournament.

Se Ri Pak, a Korean WOMAN who plays and has WON on the LPGA tour came in 10th in KPGA tour event.

The tour event that Michelle Wie played in was an Asian Tour event, which while not being "PGA tour" level, is a higher level of play than the tournament event Pak played in.

Look, its cool that she's worth more than most of us and probably will accomplish more in golf than your ordinary beer gutted hacker or even your local 0 handicap pro at the country club.

But that doesn't mean people need to hate her or to want her to do it "their way" simply because they don't like what she's doing. She's 16 years old. She's a girl. We forget that Tiger was the first "child prodigy" of sorts that made good and surpassed our expectations. LeBron James is doing it in a different way and is living up to the hype, but he plays a completely different game and the dynamics are different naturally.

Tennis players have been playing young for ages and doing well, but the difference of course, is they all peak out at 21 and end their careers at 24 or something.

But to decry her talent as something that's going to flame out is a matter of opinion I suppose. But she's still outstanding.

[rkmsuf]

Fran look; she's gotten her boobies. Oh, and they are so perky!

[stevew]

The first page of this thread has some definate LOL moments. Now that I'm re-reading it for the first time in months.

[IwasHere]

Yeah, it's 1-5, 678, and 9-12 in VA. Unfortunately you get a bunch of 16 year old 6th graders there, but that's a different issue for a different day.
Bee from Fairfax Virgina says different.

You would think it would at least try to be the same for each state. I wonder how Jr. High sports works in VA if some schools have 6-8 and others have 7-9?

[sabotai]

I am just repeating what I was told. When I went to school 9th grade has high School. There was no such thing as middle School. Grade School --> Junior High --> High School.

That's how it was for me too. K-6 was grade school, 7-8 was Junior High and then 9-12 was High School. (Junior High and High School were in the same building).

[stevew]

Fuck most 9th graders.
Not if you want to stay out of prison.

[Oilers9911]

Like death and taxes Wie once again proves she is all hype by missing the cut for the 7th straight time.



Where are all those Wie Warriors now. :p

Like death and taxes WrongWay spews more shit from his keyboard.

[Bee]

Bee from Fairfax Virgina says different.

You would think it would at least try to be the same for each state. I wonder how Jr. High sports works in VA if some schools have 6-8 and others have 7-9?

Sorry, I went to school in WV and I'm an old man...so things may have changed there in the last 20 years. :D

As far as sports go, I played on the HS team in 9th grade even though I didn't attend the HS.
Edit: Most 9th graders when I was in school played on the Junior High team. I think there were 3 of us that played on the HS team.

[Samdari]

In most US schools 9th graders are NOT High schoolers

Actually, 9th grade in most states is considered to be part of high school, i.e. part of the credits one earns towards a 4 year HS diploma. Where the students are physically located (in many cases, the middle school) is immaterial - 9th grade is high school.

[BrianD]

But that doesn't mean people need to hate her or to want her to do it "their way" simply because they don't like what she's doing. She's 16 years old. She's a girl. We forget that Tiger was the first "child prodigy" of sorts that made good and surpassed our expectations. LeBron James is doing it in a different way and is living up to the hype, but he plays a completely different game and the dynamics are different naturally.


Was this directed at me? I've got yet another frustrated response, but I'm hoping that I don't have to use it here.

[IwasHere]

Se Ri Pak, a Korean WOMAN who plays and has WON on the LPGA tour came in 10th in KPGA tour event.


Why was I thinking this was a 13 year old girl? Born in 1977 she would of been about 25.

[digamma]

I blame Nike for making her compete in some of these tournaments and not allowing her to play full time on the women's circuit. I guess Nike has decided that they do not want her losing to amateur girls her same age. Nike was fast to anounce how Wie made the cut at some men's Asian tournament last month, but did not mention the fact that a couple years ago a 13 year old Korean girl had made the cut at the same men's tournament.


I don't think she can play full time on the women's circuit yet because of their age limit, so she's getting into the tournaments she can, including men's tournaments, for the time being.

[IwasHere]

I don't think she can play full time on the women's circuit yet because of their age limit, so she's getting into the tournaments she can, including men's tournaments, for the time being.
Really? What was the point of her turning pro then?

I am assuming she has been playing in all these tournament on Sponsor Exemptions.

[stevew]

Really? What was the point of her turning pro then?
$$$$$$$$$

[wade moore]

Bee from Fairfax Virgina says different.

You would think it would at least try to be the same for each state. I wonder how Jr. High sports works in VA if some schools have 6-8 and others have 7-9?

I promise you that a LARGE MAJORITY of VA is 9-12 is HS...

And I would come just short of promising you that is true for the rest of the US.

[wade moore]

From Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_school#United_States


United States

<dl><dd>Main article: Secondary education in the United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secondary_education_in_the_United_States)</dd></dl> In the United States, high schools generally consists of grades (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_grades_%28US%29) 9, 10, 11, and 12, although the inclusion of grade 9 varies by school district. Students usually graduate from high school in the year of their 18th birthday if they were born between January 1 and August 31, or in the following year if they were born between September 1 and December 31, except in New York (where all students usually graduate in the year of their 18th birthday) and California (where students usually graduate in the year of their 18th birthday if they were born between January 1 and November 30, or in the following year if they were born between December 1 and December 31). A few American secondary schools still incorporate grades 7 through 12, but the norm is usually either grades 9-12 or grades 10-12.
About 90% of American students complete high school.[3] (http://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d04/tables/dt04_107.asp)[4] (http://www.ed.gov/pubs/OR/ConsumerGuides/dropout.html) A high school diploma or GED (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GED) certificate is usually required for entrance into a two or four-year college (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College) or university (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University) and to other post-secondary education programs.
As a practical matter, while laws in most states mandate school attendance at least until graduation or age 16, enforcement of the truancy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truancy) laws is sporadic. Conversely, students who have failed a grade may remain in high school past the age of 18. In general, students over 18 attend alternative high schools, with the end result being attainment of a GED. State laws vary on the cut-off age for students to receive free public education services.

[BrianD]

I don't think she can play full time on the women's circuit yet because of their age limit, so she's getting into the tournaments she can, including men's tournaments, for the time being.

Do you have any additional information on the age limit and the rules surrounding it? If what you say is true, it does add an interesting wrinkle to the situation.

[Young Drachma]

Was this directed at me? I've got yet another frustrated response, but I'm hoping that I don't have to use it here.

It wasn't directed at anyone in particular, to be honest. I just go off sometimes...

[Young Drachma]

I don't think she can play full time on the women's circuit yet because of their age limit, so she's getting into the tournaments she can, including men's tournaments, for the time being.

They could exempt her if she applied. But they never applied.

[BrianD]

It wasn't directed at anyone in particular, to be honest. I just go off sometimes...

Ok, I'll hold off on the response then. :) I've tried to explain where I think some of the negativity comes from, and where I think she might be hurting her career, and most responses come back as "I don't see why you hate her for wanting to play with men". That frustrates me a bit because it misses the point so completely.

[Desnudo]

The first page of this thread has some definate LOL moments. Now that I'm re-reading it for the first time in months.

I'm pretty sure the heated argument over middle school grades will age well. Check back in a few months.

[Axxon]

From Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_school#United_States

So, basically what I said. ;)

[Samdari]

I promise you that a LARGE MAJORITY of VA is 9-12 is HS...

And I would come just short of promising you that is true for the rest of the US.

Actually, the entire state is considered to be in high school starting in 9th grade, regardless of what the district calls the building their classes are housed in - http://www.pen.k12.va.us/2plus4in2004/faq.shtml.

In fact, IWasHere, I bet that your state's rules are the same - 9th graders are taking high school classes, earning credits towards their high school diploma. Just because they happen to be housed in the building called the middle school in your district, does not mean they are not high schoolers.

[TroyF]

I don't think I am looking for reasons to criticize her. I really do believe that she could be good enough to compete with the men, I just think she could be going about it a better way.

She clearly wants to play against the best competition and she thinks that will make her better. In the process, she is probably looking to cash in a bit on her fame while going through the process. I happen to believe that she will stunt her progress by going this route. Having stretch goals are a good thing, but if you reach too high you will start to not really try to reach the goals you know are unreachable. I would advise her to hold off on trying to play with the men, and get a taste for winning on the women's tour. Even though she has come close to winning on the women's tour, she hasn't yet. You need to win a few times to let the hunger build and to get used to winning.

While you may cheer for her more because others are rooting against her, the fact is that she isn't gaining nearly as many fans as if she dominated on the women's tour for a couple years. This will also hurt her career since she won't have as big a fan base to feed off of.

If she does qualify for the Men's Open, she will have earned the right to be there and I won't say anything about her not deserving to be there. But I would still say that I think she is doing herself a disservce by reaching so high already.

If she did things right, I could see her being the biggest name in women's golf and possibly golf in general. I just worry that she isn't even going to be playing golf in 5 years the way she is going.


And I still fail to see how most of this holds true. Her fan base is huge. Yeah, some people hate her guts, but most of those people don't understand the game of golf.

This idea that everyone is in a box and there is only one way to do things is baffling to me. Who is to say playing with the men isn't HELPING her career? Even though she hasn't won on the LPGA tour, she has played exceptionally well. We aren't talking about a young golfer trying to make some cuts and being overmatched.

We are talking about a kid who is consistently finishing in the top five of majors. Her goal is to play with the men eventually. I have no idea if she'll make it or not, but I don't see what the problem is with her playing in some mens events now to get experience. In fact, I think now is the perfect time.

The expectations are low, the money is high, and the experience could prove to be invaluable down the road. As for burnout, that's always possible, no matter what way she goes about this. It's possible with anyone.

If it happens to her, she'll have a nice amount of cash in the bank and will be able to live the second part of her life well taken care of. The reality is that she probably won't burn out. No idea what's going to happen on the men's circuit for Wie, but she's likely going to dominate the women's tour for the next twenty years.

[BrianD]

And I still fail to see how most of this holds true. Her fan base is huge. Yeah, some people hate her guts, but most of those people don't understand the game of golf.

This idea that everyone is in a box and there is only one way to do things is baffling to me. Who is to say playing with the men isn't HELPING her career? Even though she hasn't won on the LPGA tour, she has played exceptionally well. We aren't talking about a young golfer trying to make some cuts and being overmatched.

At this point, I'm saying that it may not help her career and may actually hurt it. I could be very wrong as I have no great experience in this area, but that is my current stance. Being a mostly sports-related message board, it is still proper to debate sports issues, right? Or is it bad form to debate a sports issue dealing with a girl?

We are talking about a kid who is consistently finishing in the top five of majors. Her goal is to play with the men eventually. I have no idea if she'll make it or not, but I don't see what the problem is with her playing in some mens events now to get experience. In fact, I think now is the perfect time.

So are you disagreeing with my post explaining why I think this may stunt her development, or did you not read it? I don't think her trying to compete with men is a problem, per se, but I do worry that it could be bad for her development.

The expectations are low, the money is high, and the experience could prove to be invaluable down the road. As for burnout, that's always possible, no matter what way she goes about this. It's possible with anyone.

If it happens to her, she'll have a nice amount of cash in the bank and will be able to live the second part of her life well taken care of. The reality is that she probably won't burn out. No idea what's going to happen on the men's circuit for Wie, but she's likely going to dominate the women's tour for the next twenty years.

The money is high, and I have no problem with a talented athelete cashing in while her stock is high. If she can make $50million and retire in 5 years, that is great. If she can make $200million+ and retire in 50 years, that is great too.

My point was, and still is, that by reaching too high and not establishing a pattern of winning, her development will end up being slower and less complete...possibly quite so. Again, I could be wrong. I'm not rooting against her, and I'm not hoping that she will crash and burn. We'll just have to wait and see if she follows the path of LeBron James, or Todd Marinovich.

[kcchief19]

Fifteen-year-old Tadd Fujikawa, a high school freshman from Honolulu, holed a 60-foot birdie putt on the third playoff hole to earn the third spot.
I can't believe our bashing of WrongWay degraded into a debate about what a middle schooler is. All I did was read the article. :)

[kcchief19]

Do you have any additional information on the age limit and the rules surrounding it? If what you say is true, it does add an interesting wrinkle to the situation.
http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/ESPNSports/story?id=1421622

The LPGA has an age requirement of 18. You can apply for an exemption as young as 15, but the LPGA has been very adamant about not granting exemptions.

Morgan Pressel applied for an exemption last year and was initially rejected, but they allowed her to participate in the Q-School since she would turn 18 in May and then would be legal. She qualified in the Q-School for the tour, at which point they then granted her exemption so she could begin play in January instead of May.

If Wie pursed the same course, I'm reasonably certain the LPGA would make a similar exemption; if she qualified at Q-School, they would let her in. But I think she has different ambitions. I don't she necessarily wants to be a great women's golfer; I think she wants to be a great golfer.

And from a financial standpoint, the course of action she is taking is suiting her much better than if she just said she was going to play the LPGA and not try to do anything else. She's got a lot more endorement and sponsor money than Morgan Pressel, even though both are very accomplished and similar players.

[kcchief19]

My point was, and still is, that by reaching too high and not establishing a pattern of winning, her development will end up being slower and less complete...possibly quite so. Again, I could be wrong. I'm not rooting against her, and I'm not hoping that she will crash and burn. We'll just have to wait and see if she follows the path of LeBron James, or Todd Marinovich.
I do think that's a valid concern. There are plenty of stories of teenage phenoms who flame out. I think more apt comparisons may be to look at tennis and see the struggles that Tracy Austin and Jennifer Capriati went through after reaching great success at a young age and flamed out. It can happen.

Part of that is luck and you can't account for that. Tracy Austin got hurt and could never recover from injuries. But a large part of it is maturity and the ability to handle success and failure at an early age. Capriati simply wasn't mature enough to handle success and went down the drugs and shoplifting role. I always like Capriati, but it was always very clear from early on and even during her late career renaissance and that she wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer and had maturity issues.

There's a lot of talk about comparing her to Tiger and the path he took. I don't think there is any doubt Tiger was ready to compete as a pro long before he turned pro, but he remained an amateur because he was having fun in college and having fun as an amateur. Maybe Wie just wasn't having fun as an amateur and wanted to do something more. My first impression of Wie is that she tends to play better against better competition. I think she got bored playing against amateur women because she was so much better than all but a handful that it wasn't pushing her to be better and she went through the motions. In that regard, I think the path she is pursuing is a path to be a better player.

But I do agree that there is a concern that she won't be able to handle so much money and fame at a young age. That's tough for anybody, man or woman. But I don't think that's a reason for her not to compete against men; that's a reason for her being either an amateur or pro.

[BrianD]

I do think that's a valid concern.

Thank you for being the first person to give me that much. Flaming out after initial success is a distinct possibility, and it is really tough to guard against. I don't think it would matter if she gains that success in the men's or women's tour, the result will be the same. Either she flames out or she doesn't. My concerns don't really address her being able to handle success. I'm more worried about her handling fame and "failure".

Failure is, of course, a relative term. Competing in a men's tournament is a great accomplishment. Finishing second in a few women't tournaments is a great accomplishment. She has already had lots of great accomplishments, but in the world of golf, you either finish first or not-first.

I'm a big proponent of setting goals, accomplishing those goals, and then setting new goals. If you follow Tiger's path, he played at many different levels, dominated at each level, and then dominated as a pro. He got a taste for winning, decided he liked it, and became tenacious.

Michelle hasn't seemed to develop that level of tenaciousness and confidence yet. Part of the reason for that is that she is young. Everybody has less confidence when they are young. I think another reason is that she hasn't done a lot of winning yet. Success breeds success.

If she really is bored at her current level, maybe stretching so far is a good idea. Maybe it will really improve her game. Maybe she'll reach a respectable place on the men's money-list in a few years. I just worry that at her age, the stress and the lack of success (defined as winning) might be too much to handle. She is reaching for the top of the mountain without any intermediate hand-holds. We'll see if she can grasp the peak or if she goes tumbling into the abyss.

[IwasHere]

I do think that's a valid concern. There are plenty of stories of teenage phenoms who flame out. I think more apt comparisons may be to look at tennis and see the struggles that Tracy Austin and Jennifer Capriati went through after reaching great success at a young age and flamed out. It can happen.

What great success are you talking about? Could you please list any of the major tournaments she has won.

I think your list is going to be empty, because she has yet to win on any level.

[Young Drachma]

What great success are you talking about? Could you please list any of the major tournaments she has won.

I think your list is going to be empty, because she has yet to win on any level.

Winning golf tournaments isn't exactly a slam dunk for people not named Tiger Woods or Annika Sorenstam. It's a big deal to win 1 in a season and winning a major is a career accomplishment in golf. And to a lesser degree in tennis.

You're talking about it as if its some routine thing that everyone does.

She's finished in the Top-10 numerous times at 16. She's younger than any of her contemporaries and yet, she's not just playing them, she's BEATING them.

If she joined the LPGA tour after going to Q-School, she'd have to play the LPGA schedule, meaning her pursuit of men's events -- and the sponsors dollars for being essentially a free agent -- wouldn't be there.

But you can't deny this girl's talent. She's streaky, sure. She hasn't "learned to win, yet." I'll grant you that.

Her performance at the LPGA's first major was a good indicator of how she's progressed and yet, how far she has to go. She was on 18, all she needed was par to enter the playoff with 2 other golfers. She took a chip on the fringe, rather than a putt which would've setup a tap-in for par.

Afterwards, she said she was going for birdie. That's where more experience in situations like that would've helped her. It's far better to put yourself in position to win via playoff, (aka playing it safe) versus going to for the kill when you have no cushion.

But that also shows you that she doesn't give a damn what the media, male golfers, women golfers or anyone else thinks about her path and you have to respect that to a degree. Because no one is pulling the strings here, this girl is doing what she wants.

If at 25, she doesn't fulfill her "potential" this is far from an Anna Kournikova situation, because Michelle isn't going to be posing in swimsuits anytime soon that we can figure. She's doing what Tiger did for men's golf.

By competing with men now, she gets the advice of the guys on tour who -- among the elite players who aren't threatened by her -- see her as something great for golf and a player with a ton of talent and skill.

The ONLY reason this is an issue is because she's a girl. Folks wanted Tiger on tour before college and throughout his time at Stanford. For Wie, she's further along than Tiger was at this point in his career -- he didn't make his first pro cut until he was 19. (at the Masters, no less...)

So, for all the folks who say she needs to win are folks who don't watch golf. Otherwise, they'd say the same thing about Natalie Gulbis and Morgan Pressel.

Instead, they're just threatened by this girl's ability to do unconventional things. And the fact that she's rich for what they percieve is not being very good, when clearly..she's beyond good.

Link (http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12821967/page/2/)

For those who say she needs to win, Wie has redefined winning without hoisting a trophy.

She didn’t win the Sony Open, but her 68 in the second round at age 14 was the lowest score ever shot by a female on a men’s tour. (Yes, Annika..that means you.) She didn’t win the U.S. Amateur Public Links — or a trip to the Masters that came with it — but she reached the quarterfinals last summer and kept everyone watching and wondering. (Losing to the guy who won the thing...)

Along the way, these “victories” have turned her into the biggest attraction in women’s golf, and probably the third-biggest draw in all of golf behind Tiger Woods and Phil Mickelson. Name another player capable of spiking ticket sales or TV ratings.

Against women, winning now seems to be a matter of when, not if.

In her only two LPGA Tour events this year, she missed a playoff by one shot both times, one of those tournaments a major. That’s what led to her free pass to the U.S. Women’s Open. Had she been an LPGA Tour member — the tour has a minimum age limit of 18 — Wie would be No. 16 on the money list after two tournaments. The top 35 are exempt to the Women’s Open.

[BrianD]

I think this is where we request you not feed the trolls.

[Young Drachma]

I think this is where we request you not feed the trolls.

I thought that after I clicked "send"

A lot of times, I just use this place as a notepad to flesh out things I want to write in a commentary piece later or something along those lines.

Plus, nothing like increasing the post count. :D

[st.cronin]

Plus, nothing like increasing the post count. :D

word

[IwasHere]

Her performance at the LPGA's first major was a good indicator of how she's progressed and yet, how far she has to go. She was on 18, all she needed was par to enter the playoff with 2 other golfers. She took a chip on the fringe, rather than a putt which would've setup a tap-in for par.
This would be the tournament that she was thrown out of for cheating. Correct?

[BrianD]

I thought that after I clicked "send"

A lot of times, I just use this place as a notepad to flesh out things I want to write in a commentary piece later or something along those lines.

Plus, nothing like increasing the post count. :D

No, nothing wrong with increasing the post count. I had just really hoped we were past the "but she wasn't won anything yet" argument.

[IwasHere]

No, nothing wrong with increasing the post count. I had just really hoped we were past the "but she wasn't won anything yet" argument.
Why, has she recently won something?

We will see how she does in the Women's US open.

[Young Drachma]

This would be the tournament that she was thrown out of for cheating. Correct?

Either watch women's golf or learn how to use google.

[stevew]

I think this is where we request you not feed the trolls.

Wie has an AK47, since she is armed with golf knowledge.

[stevew]

It takes a lot of balls to get banned in a thread, and then to post in it again with a different username.

[Axxon]

It takes a lot of balls to get banned in a thread, and then to post in it again with a different username.

Not really, it's only a message board.

[EagleFan]

Who is this idiot and what is his obsession with this girl? I think it has reached a whole new level of "pathetic loser".

[KWhit]

It takes a lot of balls to get banned in a thread, and then to post in it again with a different username.

iwashere = wrongway??????

[BrianD]

Either the same person, or functionally (disfunctionally?) equivalent.

[sabotai]

iwashere = wrongway??????
I think so. IwasHere is just as (as someone just said) disfunctionally the same. Started to post here a lot right after WrongWay got tossed. I even called him WrongWay in a thread not too long ago.

[kcchief19]

Your U.S. Women's Open update: Wie is currently tied for second at 1-under, 1 shot behind Sorenstam.

[Subby]

http://espn-ak.starwave.com/photo/2006/1012/pga_a_wie_195.jpg

LOL WIE IS HOT.

Wait. How old is she?

[Pumpy Tudors]

http://espn-ak.starwave.com/photo/2006/1012/pga_a_wie_195.jpg

LOL WIE IS HOT.

Wait. How old is she?
Go ogle chicks at a buffet.

[Subby]

Good suggestion.

I googled "chicks at a buffet" and got this:

http://www.osage.net/%7Ethemillers92/SCFBlog/chickstrough.jpg

[sterlingice]

Good suggestion.

I googled "chicks at a buffet" and got this:

Awesome :D

SI

[Ben E Lou]

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!! I am SICK AND TIRED of these m*****f*****' chicks at this m*****f*****' buffet!!!

[Pumpy Tudors]

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!! I am SICK AND TIRED of these m*****f*****' chicks at this m*****f*****' buffet!!!
Why did I laugh so hard at this?

[wade moore]

Why did I laugh so hard at this?

When you figure it out, explain to me why I did.

[robbgmaier3]

pine cones?

[Ben E Lou]

pine cones?

AAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[Huckleberry]

http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/news/story?id=2888308

Poor WrongWay. He could have had a field day with this one.

[albionmoonlight]

What better?

WrongWay posting ability or Wie golf ability?

OK. Thanks.

[stevew]

typical wie choke in the first round.

[albionmoonlight]

I love this thread.

[stevew]

I love it as well. I think we should merge this one and the Elmo one together.

Dec 2005 LOL....Wie misses out on Elmo Fever AGAIN!!!!!

Would be the ultimate thread.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Dec 2005 LOL....Wie misses out on Elmo Fever AGAIN!!!!! But looking good in preseason in patriotic undies

Fixed.

[stevew]

Fixed.

err, I meant the all encompassing WrongWay thread, but yours works too.

[Senator]

If loving Wie is WrongWay, I don't want to be right.

Hey oh.

[Easy Mac]

I should have gone out there and heckled her for WrongWay. Every errant tee shot, I could have yelled WIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[SFL Cat]

Never understood this dude's thing about Wie. Did she dump him or something?

[dawgfan]

Just saw this quote from Wie's swing coach, and I have to admit my mind was completely in the gutter after reading it:

“It’s not the cocking of the wrists on the backswing, it’s the contact with the turf where she’s been a little protective with,” said her coach, David Leadbetter, who has been working with Wie via video sent over the Internet. “She likes to go at it hard and comes down at a steeper angle than the other girls.”

[Antmeister]

Just saw this quote from Wie's swing coach, and I have to admit my mind was completely in the gutter after reading it:

Thanks for throwing me in the gutter with you. :D

[dawgfan]

Thanks for throwing me in the gutter with you. :D
No problem - I figured others might get a chuckle out of it...

[bulletsponge]

am i going to jail now?

[MIJB#19]

If loving Wie is WrongWay, I don't want to be right.

Hey oh.Faithless?

[k0ruptr]

In her first tourney of the LPGA season, through 14 holes shes currently all alone in 1st place at -4

i probably just jinxed her tho.

[Young Drachma]

In her first tourney of the LPGA season, through 14 holes shes currently all alone in 1st place at -4

i probably just jinxed her tho.

She's still a very talented player and amazingly, she's only 18. It's hard to say she'll win after leading on the first day, but..I'll be happy for her if taking off some time, going to college and getting off the whirlwind she was on for a while has helped her regain her focus and get back to playing top-tier golf.

[k0ruptr]

She's still a very talented player and amazingly, she's only 18. It's hard to say she'll win after leading on the first day, but..I'll be happy for her if taking off some time, going to college and getting off the whirlwind she was on for a while has helped her regain her focus and get back to playing top-tier golf.

yea, I agree, hopefully she finishes today off strong. the thing i noticed though,was the good LPGA golfers have yet to tee off today. so her -4 might not mean much at the end of the day.

[k0ruptr]

lol next hole bogey.

[Young Drachma]

She won't win, but the point is just that at least she's back to women's golf and trying to be respectable. All she needed maybe was getting rid of parents off her back, going to Stanford and a little peace from the paparazzi.

[k0ruptr]

yes hopefully she just plays a respectable tourney and gains some confidence back.

[Suburban Rhythm]

With all the name changes going on, I thought someone would alter their's to WrongWay just to post this.

http://www.golf.com/golf/tours_news/article/0,28136,1824638,00.html


Wie DQ'd on the brink of first LPGA win

[Easy Mac]

seriously, signing score cards is the dumbest rule in golf.

[miked]

Yeah, in this day and age it seems about as useful as a pitcher turning his line to the official scorer after a game.

[PackerFanatic]

I think it is a little harsh to DQ her for forgetting that, but seriously, how the hell hard is it to sign your scorecard? It something she has to do ALL THE TIME!

[Passacaglia]

I think it is a little harsh to DQ her for forgetting that, but seriously, how the hell hard is it to sign your scorecard? It something she has to do ALL THE TIME!

On the other hand, how hard is it to do something about it BEFORE she plays her next round?

[PackerFanatic]

On the other hand, how hard is it to do something about it BEFORE she plays her next round?

That too - from the little I heard about it, she didn't find out she was DQ'd until after she played her next round, right?

Oh wow, and I just skimmed the article and apparently she "walked outside the scoring tent", but then was flagged down by volunteers that she forgot, so she went back and signed it. But apparently that wasn't good enough. That is just plain bogus.

[RPI-Fan]

LPGA tour was finally building up some decent momentum this year with other good young players, the Sorenstam farewell tour, and of course the Wie story, and they go and take several HUGE steps back by pulling a stunt like this. What a joke.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Yeah, it's just terrible isn't it?

It's only one of the oldest & most fundamental rules of golf, at the heart of the honor system. I just can't believe the audacity of the governing body to {gasp} actually, you know, enforce the rules :rolleyes:

[Zelig]

WRONGWAY! WRONGWAY! WRONGWAY!

[BrianD]

First, I think this is crappy sensationalist journalism to call 2nd place in a golf tournament with a whole round to go being on the brink of a championship. Getting DQ'd walking up to the 18th on Sunday while in the lead would be the brink of a championship. She may have been in good position, but they are over dramatizing the event.

Second, this is a very old and well-understood rule. There is no gray area. There is no selective prosecution. You finish your round, verify your scorecard is correct, and sign your card. You can't pick which rules to enforce.

Third, the fact that scoring is still done by the players on the honor system seems wrong. Players can now be DQ'd because someone on TV saw an infraction and called it in. It just seems like each golfer or each pair should have an official scorer who handles this part of the game. When you've got this much money on the line, the golfers shouldn't have to interpret a rule to know if they need to assess themselves another stroke with the penalty for getting it wrong be a total DQ.

[Passacaglia]

Yeah, it's just terrible isn't it?

It's only one of the oldest & most fundamental rules of golf, at the heart of the honor system. I just can't believe the audacity of the governing body to {gasp} actually, you know, enforce the rules :rolleyes:

Do you really mean golf, or do you mean the PGA? I've never signed a scorecard anytime I've golfed -- the rule doesn't seem that fundamental to golf from where I'm sitting.

[QuikSand]

It's only one of the oldest & most fundamental rules of golf, at the heart of the honor system.

I'm really not well informed on this subject, and willing to admit it.

Is the rule that you must sign your card before leaving the tent, rather than a few seconds later really an ancient and fundamental rule? To me, that seems like the point that intuitively sounds pretty rough. Had she never attested to her score at all, I could see the essential argument. If it's just a matter of a 30 second delay... it's tough for me to see the gravity of the offense, and I'm sure plenty of people will share that.

I realize I'm (sort of) asking the wrong guy a "letter of the law" question, but to me that's the heart of the matter.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Damn kid...probably too busy texting on her phone to remember to sign the card.

But honestly, whoever said earlier sensational journalism, spot on. If this was ANYONE else on the LPGA, not even a story.

[QuikSand]

LPGA, not even a story.

Well, that's generally true, too.

[digamma]

Yeah, it's just terrible isn't it?

It's only one of the oldest & most fundamental rules of golf, at the heart of the honor system. I just can't believe the audacity of the governing body to {gasp} actually, you know, enforce the rules :rolleyes:

We should probably play with leather helmets also. While requiring players to keep their own scores and sign score cards was an important feature when there weren't television cameras or tournament officials on every hole with every pairing, it now seems to be just a vestige of the past with no real function or purpose.

I realize I'm stepping out of the debate on how the rule was applied in this case and into a more general debate as to whether the rule should be more fundamentally reviewed by the relevant tours.

[Noop]

She should change her last name to Wii, it will sound the same but atleast she can get Nintendo to sponsor her, then she can get some lips for her mouth.

[Suburban Rhythm]

While we are at it, if we are removing some of these archaic rules, can we get rid of the funny golf pants too?

[MJ4H]

Is the rule that you must sign your card before leaving the tent, rather than a few seconds later really an ancient and fundamental rule? To me, that seems like the point that intuitively sounds pretty rough. Had she never attested to her score at all, I could see the essential argument. If it's just a matter of a 30 second delay... it's tough for me to see the gravity of the offense, and I'm sure plenty of people will share that.



A+

[Young Drachma]

But honestly, whoever said earlier sensational journalism, spot on. If this was ANYONE else on the LPGA, not even a story.

I agree with that. There are a lot of sour grapes about her on the LPGA. She's the highest paid woman golfer, simply because Nike decided to pay her that way...and so, the rest of them don't like her. It is an old rule. But after reading the story, it's bogus and yet, not even a little surprising to me.

[Lathum]

Yeah, it's just terrible isn't it?

It's only one of the oldest & most fundamental rules of golf, at the heart of the honor system. I just can't believe the audacity of the governing body to {gasp} actually, you know, enforce the rules :rolleyes:

yeah, you know there was a time when the forward pass was illegeal in football. I just can't believe the audacity of the governing body to let quarterbacks throw the ball 40 yards downfield.

[Ryan S]

Regardless of whether or not we agree with the rule, it is inexcusable for any professional golfer to forget to sign their card.

At every level of competitive golf the penalty is disqualification, and every single player in the field knows this.

You can't blame the LPGA tour for this. They did not make up the rules.

[kcchief19]

Regardless of whether or not we agree with the rule, it is inexcusable for any professional golfer to forget to sign their card.

At every level of competitive golf the penalty is disqualification, and every single player in the field knows this.

You can't blame the LPGA tour for this. They did not make up the rules.
I agree with the first 2/3. Wie should know better, and the fact that she made a funamental mental error is indicative of a lot of things w have seen from her so far in her young life. She has the physical skills to be a great player and assuming she didn't buy her way into Stanford, she's intelligent. Is it bad luck, lack of attention, bad caddying or just being 18 that has lead to two DQs from scoring card errors already.

However, the LPGA does deserve some blame. It took them 24 hours to figure this out, and then they didn't tell her until after her round was over? Tournament people obviously knew this was an issue Friday.

That said, let's take a look at the rule:
6-6. Scoring in Stroke Play
• b. Signing and Returning Card
After completion of the round, the competitor should check his score for each hole and settle any doubtful points with the Committee. He must ensure that the marker or markers have signed the score card, sign the score card himself and return it to the Committee as soon as possible.
PENALTY FOR BREACH OF RULE 6-6b:
Disqualification.

I don't seen anything about a tent or ropes or anything else in the rule. The only thing I see is "as soon as possible." So does that mean if you walk out of the trailer you're DQ? What if you stop and go to the bathroom after walking off 18, or stop and grab a drink? What's the definition of "as soon as possible," other than you apparently can't leave the scoring tent/trailer? That seems ambiguous at best.

I imagine that had some not stopper her and said she didn't sign the card she wouldn't have remembered, so it's still an issue. From what I've read and heard in the past, doublechecking to make sure the card is signed correctly is another job of the caddy -- where was her caddy?

I'm still rooting for her, although I wish her head was a little bit more together.

[kcchief19]

While we are at it, if we are removing some of these archaic rules, can we get rid of the funny golf pants too?
I really rooted hard against Ian Poulter today because he's a d-bag but also because of those horrible pink pants.

[JPhillips]

She should have known better, but the rule is ridiculous. What would be the reaction if Eli Manning forgot to sign the Super Bowl scorecard and the Giants had to forfeit the game? With tournament officials on every hole there's no reason to still enforce this rule.

[Young Drachma]

I'm still rooting for her, although I wish her head was a little bit more together.

Yeah, this is how I feel about the matter. She's clearly got the wrong people around her, still. But then, she's poured through caddies for ages and I'm not sure if her mental toughness is where it needs to be. Then again, these sets of experiences will either make her rebound like a tour de force down the road or will cause her to spreading it in some B-list magazine down the road.

[larrymcg421]

I agree that the rule is ridiculous, but if it is the correct ruling, then the answer isn't to ignore it, it is to change it for the future.

However, I'm still not convinced this was handled appropriately. According to the citation of the rules that was presented in this thread, I don't see how leaving the tent should disqualify you. If it was so clear cut and known that you can't do that, then I doubt anyone would have run after her, much less let her sign it when she came back in. She shouldn't have even been able to retreive her scorecard. This was handled about as badly as possible by the LPGA.

[BrianD]

She should have known better, but the rule is ridiculous. What would be the reaction if Eli Manning forgot to sign the Super Bowl scorecard and the Giants had to forfeit the game? With tournament officials on every hole there's no reason to still enforce this rule.

Pointless analogy. There is not rule about signing scorecards in the Super Bowl so asking about the reaction is meaningless. Part two is also wrong. You can't just decide a rule is stupid and stop enforcing it. You can decide a rule is stupid and get it taken off the books though. Ever year there are at least a couple of people that get DQ'd for scorecard infractions. This isn't a technicality pulled out just to penalize Wie. I agree that the rule is stupid, but it is on the books and everybody plays by the rule. Play by the rule or try to get it changed. Those are the only available options I see.

[Axxon]

Pointless analogy. There is not rule about signing scorecards in the Super Bowl so asking about the reaction is meaningless. Part two is also wrong. You can't just decide a rule is stupid and stop enforcing it. You can decide a rule is stupid and get it taken off the books though. Ever year there are at least a couple of people that get DQ'd for scorecard infractions. This isn't a technicality pulled out just to penalize Wie. I agree that the rule is stupid, but it is on the books and everybody plays by the rule. Play by the rule or try to get it changed. Those are the only available options I see.

Probably correct but the ruling bodies have to ask themselves how much they want to expand their viewership. I watch golf rarely but people like Woods and Wie are the draws and incidents like this convince me not to bother. I don't like events where it's settled by the lawyers and not the contestants. Had she been cheating that would be one thing but since this had zero to do with golf, it convinces me not to bother.

It all boils down to how insular the sport wants to be. If it wants to be for the elitists who already watch it then good job. If it wants to appeal to the masses, not so much. Since people like myself only watch once in a while, it's hard to call us to arms to fix a fundamental flaw in the system.

[BrianD]

Probably correct but the ruling bodies have to ask themselves how much they want to expand their viewership. I watch golf rarely but people like Woods and Wie are the draws and incidents like this convince me not to bother. I don't like events where it's settled by the lawyers and not the contestants. Had she been cheating that would be one thing but since this had zero to do with golf, it convinces me not to bother.

It all boils down to how insular the sport wants to be. If it wants to be for the elitists who already watch it then good job. If it wants to appeal to the masses, not so much. Since people like myself only watch once in a while, it's hard to call us to arms to fix a fundamental flaw in the system.

This is why I am all for changing the rule. I don't believe it serves a purpose in this day and age. A situation like this can serve to point out how silly the rule is, but I'm not willing to go so far as to say the rule should be ignored. In fact, it would be irresponsible to ignore the rule since other have gotten bit by it.

[Axxon]

This is why I am all for changing the rule. I don't believe it serves a purpose in this day and age. A situation like this can serve to point out how silly the rule is, but I'm not willing to go so far as to say the rule should be ignored. In fact, it would be irresponsible to ignore the rule since other have gotten bit by it.

To be sure, I've heard about this happening before and am shocked it's still going on. That's part of my point. I agree with you, until the rule is changed it has to be enforced but this didn't just come up today.

[JPhillips]

Pointless analogy. There is not rule about signing scorecards in the Super Bowl so asking about the reaction is meaningless. Part two is also wrong. You can't just decide a rule is stupid and stop enforcing it. You can decide a rule is stupid and get it taken off the books though. Ever year there are at least a couple of people that get DQ'd for scorecard infractions. This isn't a technicality pulled out just to penalize Wie. I agree that the rule is stupid, but it is on the books and everybody plays by the rule. Play by the rule or try to get it changed. Those are the only available options I see.

I don't think she should get a pass, I just think the rule is stupid and should be repealed. Nobody should be punished for a signature again.

[chesapeake]

The rule still has validity today because the camera isn't on every player every minute of every round. Unless you are Tiger Woods.

If you are not Tiger, you may be the only one who was there and paying attention when you accidentally played the wrong ball out of the rough. So, you have to either call a penalty on yourself or you have to decide to cheat. Signing the scorecard at the end of the round at the appointed time puts you definitively on record. Allowing someone to sign the scorecard "later," maybe that evening or the next morning, allows the person to see if they got away with it. If someone caught on, plausible deniability -- "I meant to declare it, but I forgot to sign the scorecard. Oops!"

And, honestly, this is the rule for every level of competitive golf. Wie has done it correctly literally hundreds, if not thousands, of times before. She screwed up. Again. I have no sympathy.

[JPhillips]

But why should the signature matter? Couldn't you achieve the same thing by formalizing how the scorecard is given to officials? And while there may not be camera's on every shot, there are tour officials and scores are being kept outside of the individual golfer's card.

[chesapeake]

A signature is a long-accepted way of taking personal responsibility for the contents of a document. It means that you consciously accept the consequences of what you have submitted. And it takes about 1.4 seconds.

[chesapeake]

I should clarify -- I have no sympathy for Wie on the DQ. I do have tremendous sympathy for her as a child (now young adult) who, in my judgment, has been horribly misused by her parents and their hangers-on. Could you imagine being a huge failure in the eyes of many -- even to the point of being reviled by some -- at the ripe old age of 18? Her parents should be deeply ashamed of themselves for having made this happen.

[JPhillips]

Even if you want to keep the signature, why not have an official that checks the cards as they're turned in for signatures?

Also, are the cards the official score or does that come from tour officials?

[JonInMiddleGA]

... and so, the rest of them don't like her. It is an old rule.

And between the whining done by third parties about her getting DQ'ed for a rule that even I (who doesn't golf) knew and her general spoiled brat behavior in the past ("I got an owwie, I can't play ... but I can practice") frankly I officially don't like the bitch either.

[Young Drachma]

http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/news/story?id=3498905

Fresh off a disqualification on the LPGA Tour, Michelle Wie has decided to tee it up against the men, again.

Wie will play next week in the Legends Reno-Tahoe Open, the first time she'll play on the PGA Tour this year, tournament organizers said.


The Reno-Tahoe Open starts July 31 at Montreux Golf & Country Club. The Nevada tournament is one of the weakest fields on the PGA Tour, held opposite the World Golf Championship in Ohio. Steve Flesch won the Reno-Tahoe Open last year.

[Ryan S]

This is probably the best chance she will ever have to make the cut in a PGA Tour event as the Bridgestone Invitational WGC event is taking place at the same time.

[Young Drachma]

I suspect the LPGA has gotten a lot of heat about the Wie disqualification, so it was on their front page. (http://www.lpga.com/content_1.aspx?mid=2&pid=16531)

Wie was notified following the conclusion of today's third round in order to provide her the opportunity to give an account of yesterday's second round situation. The LPGA first heard of the violation mid-morning today, but it was after Wie had begun third-round play, and action could not be further taken until she had completed 18 holes and been given the opportunity to recount the events of Friday's second round.

The 2008 LPGA Rules of Play define the scoring area as the roped area defining the boundary of the scoring tent. Supplementary rules of play stipulate that the scoring area boundary may instead be defined by a white line, which has the effect of decreasing the size of the scoring area. The white line was not deemed necessary this week and was not put in place, and as a result the boundary is the roped area.

Prior to signing her card, Wie had left the defined scoring area according to item No. 3 resulting in her subsequent disqualification.

[Buccaneer]

Michelle Wie has been making news as she is competing in the Q-School for the LPGA. I was curious about that since I knew she wasn't a LPGA Tour player and she had gotten by on exemptions. I then read the wiki about her. She's not that good, is she (compared to her earlier hype)? And rather controversal.

[k0ruptr]

shes doing well in Q School - 2nd place, top 20 get there tour cards with 1 round to go.

[kcchief19]

Michelle Wie breaks through at Lorena Ochoa Invitational for 1st professional win - ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/news/story?id=4657907)

Wie capped off her breakthrough year in her first full year on tour by winning her first tournament. She's 14th on the money list and 9th in scoring average. Not bad for a 20-year-old.

Is there a hot Elmo doll this year we should stock up on?

[Young Drachma]

Sobel: After first win, Michelle Wie headed in right direction - ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=4656992&name=sobel_jason)

He's talking to HHMNBN (WrongWay)

[k0ruptr]

Michelle Wie @ the US Women's Open so far:
R1- 74 R2- 66!! R3 +3 through 7 and 4 shots off the lead

so then tomorrow 66 again to win? I hope :)

really though as inconsistent as Wie is, I really root for her, even more now then when all the crazy hype and insane expectations started as a 12 year old (lol)

She's attended Stanford since Fall 07 and graduated last month during which time she earned her tour card (2009) and posting her 1st 2 tour wins (2009 & 2010)

I feel like if she wasnt 6 foot tall and hitting 300y @ age 12 we would be seeing her accomplishments so far as pretty amazing. Unfortunately she did not meet expections or progress fast enough while attending college and being a pro at the same time. She regressed. Her body , and thus her swing changed. Everyone wonders what happened to Michelle Wie, or assumes she never was that great.

I have no idea where she will end up, but I'd like to remind people shes only 22 years old (don't most careers begin around then?). She finally finished college, and if she finds the motivation and mental game I think she could find what once was rather quickly again.

[Young Drachma]

Yeah, she's still young. She's working with Meg Mallon and seems to have humbled a great deal, even since her parents got out of her way and she seems to have friends on tour. A long way from the days of insisting she wanted to play on the PGA Tour and never wanted anything to do with the women.

She's had a rough year with the missed cuts and all, but...it's golf, she's young and if she doesn't burn out of it, there's a strong possibility that she'll turn into a consistent winner on the tour. But then, Paula Creamer and Morgan Pressel; her contemporaries haven't exactly been setting the world either.

So there is that.

[k0ruptr]

well.. I jinxed that shit.

[k0ruptr]

Yeah, she's still young. She's working with Meg Mallon and seems to have humbled a great deal, even since her parents got out of her way and she seems to have friends on tour. A long way from the days of insisting she wanted to play on the PGA Tour and never wanted anything to do with the women.

She's had a rough year with the missed cuts and all, but...it's golf, she's young and if she doesn't burn out of it, there's a strong possibility that she'll turn into a consistent winner on the tour. But then, Paula Creamer and Morgan Pressel; her contemporaries haven't exactly been setting the world either.

So there is that.

I'm not sure why, but I always felt Michelle was always very humble. It kinda seemed like she was just being a good daughter and doing & saying what her parents told her too. It would make sense that they would push(shove) her in that PGA Tour high and mighty position since they wanted to capitalize on her so badly.

[Logan]

Can't believe WW has been banned for 6.5 years.

[sabotai]

Can't believe WW has been banned for 6.5 years.

I remember he came back under a different name and just couldn't help himself and started a second Michelle Wie thread. I never understood his obsession with her and why he couldn't just not talk about her.

[larrymcg421]

I remember he came back under a different name and just couldn't help himself and started a second Michelle Wie thread. I never understood his obsession with her and why he couldn't just not talk about her.

Under his new account, he also showed is idiocy in the thread for The Office, where he insisted that the actors were terrible because they kept looking at the camera. He apparently did not understand the documentary concept.

[sabotai]

Under his new account, he also showed is idiocy in the thread for The Office, where he insisted that the actors were terrible because they kept looking at the camera. He apparently did not understand the documentary concept.

I'm not sure my brain is capable of going to a place where it's possible that someone that stupid actually exists in this universe.

[Logan]

I just read the thread in question (it was the one where the Office was paired with My Name is Earl).

Yeah, it was possible.

[PackerFanatic]

Man, that name brings back memories...yikes.

[Kodos]

I'd like to think that somewhere out there, he has become RightWay. It's the optimist in me.

[Logan]

Wonder if our friend is shedding a tear into his Elmo today with the Augusta news?

[Young Drachma]

Hahahaha...

[digamma]

What's up?

[Shkspr]

LOL...Li missed the cut!

[TroyF]

Amazing thing about Wie is she is still so young. 24? Lewis didn't win a major until 25 or 26. Hell, Lewis has 2 major wins right now and Wie is about 4 1/2 years younger with 1.

Good for Michelle, happy she got the title.

[Matthean]

Amazing thing about Wie is she is still so young. 24? Lewis didn't win a major until 25 or 26. Hell, Lewis has 2 major wins right now and Wie is about 4 1/2 years younger with 1.

Good for Michelle, happy she got the title.

She's also first in terms of money winner as well. I doubt she isn't the #1 ranked women's player that long from now. Leave it to sports to make it seem like someone is a failure at 24.