OT: The FOFC Television Draft - Draft Thread

[Maple Leafs]

On the clock: 6.5 kcchief19

Team #1 - WSUCougar
1.1 Show, drama - MASH
2.10 Show, other - Star Trek
3.1 Moment, comedy - "As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly." (WKRP)
4.10 Actor, comedy - Kelsey Grammer (Frasier)
5.1 Show, drama - The Sopranos

Team #2 - Radii
1.2 Moment, drama - Who Shot JR? (Dallas)
2.9 Performer, comedy - Bill Cosby (The Cosby Show)
3.2 Moment, other - Ali vs. Foreman, the Rumble in the Jungle (ABC's Wide World of Sports)
4.9 Show, comedy - South Park
5.2 Show, drama - Hill Street Blues

Team #3 - Crapshoot
1.6 Show, comedy - Cheers*
2.5 Performer, comedy - Henry Winkler (Happy Days)
2.8 Moment, comedy - Dick wakes up next to Emily Hartley (Newhart)*
4.5 Show, drama - The Wonder Years*
5.3 Performer, other - Walter Cronkite (CBS Evening News)

Team #4 - JonInMiddleGA
1.9 Show, drama - Gunsmoke*
2.2 Show, other - Hockey Night in Canada*
3.4 Performer, comedy - Dick Van Dyke (The Dick Van Dyke Show)
4.7 Moment, comedy - The brownie episode (Barney Miller)
5.4 Show, drama - Playhouse 90

Team #5 - ThunderingHERD
1.5 Performer, other - Johnny Carson (The Tonight Show)
2.6 Moment, other - Edward R. Murrow vs Joseph McCarthy (See It Now)
3.5 Show, drama - The Twilight Zone
4.6 Moment, comedy - Ellen comes out (Ellen)
5.5 Performer, comedy - Andy Griffith (The Andy Griffith Show)

Team #6 - kcchief19
1.3 Moment, comedy - The Outing (Seinfeld)*
3.3 Moment, comedy - Chuckles the Clown Dies (The Mary Tyler Moore Show)*
3.6 Performer, other - David Letterman (Late Night)
4.8 Show, drama - Perry Mason
5.6 Moment, drama - Love's Labor Lost episode (ER)

Team #7 - Maple Leafs
1.7 Performer, comedy - Lucille Ball (I Love Lucy)
2.4 Moment, other - Howard Cossell announces the death of John Lennon (Monday Night Football)
3.7 Moment, drama - Richard Kimble catches the one-armed man (The Fugitive)
4.4 Show, drama - Roots
5.7 Show, comedy - Monty Python's Flying Circus
6.4 Performer, drama - Keifer Sutherland (24)

Team #8 - Schmidty
1.8 Show, comedy - All in the Family
2.3 Performer, comedy - Jackie Geason (The Honeymooners)
3.8 Performer, drama - Patrick Stewart (Star Trek: The Next Generation)
4.3 Show, other - 60 Minutes
5.8 Show, drama - The X-Files
6.3 Moment, other - Kermit sings "It's Not Easy Being Green" for the first time (The Muppet Show)

Team #9 - Raven
1.4 Moment, other - The Beatles make their first televised appearance in America (The Ed Sullivan Show)*
2.7 Show, other - Sportscenter*
3.9 Moment, other - Johnny Fairplay lies about the death of his grandmother (Survivor)
4.2 Performer, other - Kurt Cobain (MTV's Unplugged)
5.9 Performer, comedy - Redd Foxx (Sanford and Son)
6.2 Moment, comedy - Moment, Comedy - Al 's dream sequence reliving his 4 TD game from Polk High (Married... with Children)


Team #10 - sachmo71
1.10 Show, comedy - The Simpsons
2.1 Show, comedy - Saturday Night Live
3.10 Show, drama - CSI
4.1 Moment, other - Ken Jennings loses in his bid to win his 75th game (Jeopardy!)
5.10. Performer, comedy - Jack Klugman (The Odd Couple)
6.1. Moment, other - "That would be in the ass, Bob." (The Newlywed Game)

*via trade

Shows that have been taken:
24
60 Minutes
ABC's Wide World of Sports
All in the Family
The Andy Griffith Show
Barnie Miller
CBS Evening News
Cheers
The Cosby Show
CSI
Dallas
The Dick Van Dyke Show
The Ed Sullivan Show
Ellen
ER
Frasier
The Fugitive
Gunsmoke
Happy Days
Hill Street Blues
Hockey Night in Canada
The Honeymooners
I Love Lucy
Jeopardy!
Late Night
Married... with Children
The Mary Tyler Moore Show
MASH
Monday Night Football
Monty Python's Flying Circus
MTV's Unplugged
The Muppet Show
Newhart
The Newlywed Game
The Odd Couple
Perry Mason
Playhouse 90
Roots
Sanford and Son
Saturday Night Live
See It Now
Seinfeld
The Simpsons
The Sopranos
South Park
Sportscenter
Star Trek
Star Trek: The Next Generation
Survivor
The Tonight Show
The Twilight Zone
WKRP
The Wonder Years
The X-Files

[Maple Leafs]

Welcome to the FOFC Television Draft.

How to play:
The draft will be conducted via the foum, in this thread. When it's your turn to draft, you post, ideally with a brief note about the reason for your choice. If you won't be around, you PM someone else your picks in advance to keep things moving. The draft is a serpentine draft, which is a fancy way of saying that the order reverses each round. Draft order will be determined randomly before we start.

Please note that this draft is marginally more complicated than previous attempts. Please read and understand the rules before signing up.

How to win:
The fun here comes more from the draft itself than from actually winning, but just in case it matters: Once the draft is done, we'll hold a vote and let FOFC choose the winner.

The teams:
You will draft a "team" of ten, filling three "positions" with picks from three categories.

Each team will consist ten picks, made up of:

Three selections from each of the following categories:
- Drama
- Comedy
- Other

In addition, your ten picks must include three selections from each of the following "positions":
- Shows
- Performers
- Moments

Note that you can mix and match however you see fit. For example, you could choose three drama shows, three comedy performers, and three "other" moments. Alternatively, you could choose one of each possible combination. It's up to you.

That makes nine picks. Your tenth pick is a wildcard, and can be any position/category combo.

When you draft, be sure to include the position, category, and details including the name of the show. For example "Show, drama: Thirtysomething", or "Performer, comedy: Bob Sagat from Full House" or "Moment, comedy: When Jesse OD'd on caffeine pills on Saved By the Bell".

The catch:
Each draft pick must have a show associated with it, and each show may only be used once in the entire draft.

The details:
"Shows" is just that -- a specific tv show (i.e. a series). Be specific. "The news" or "Saturday morning cartoons" would not be a valid pick. A regularly scheduled event that switches networks does not count as a show (note that this rule changed since the original version). Keep in mind that sometimes one show will last a long time, and may have multiple hosts and/or casts.

"Performers" are real life people who appear on a show (i.e. not fictional characters, but the actual on-camera performer). When you draft a performer, you must also name the show you are drafting him from. Any performer can only be drafted once.

"Moments" are specific moments from a specific show. For purposes of this draft, a "moment" can be anything from a few seconds to a full episode, although voters may penalize selections that are too vague. Many of the moments that are drafted will be obvious and well known, but please be as specific as possible. Note that you are taking a moment from a specific show. "The OJ Simpson Bronco chase" is not a valid selection unless you also include a specific show.

"Drama" and "Comedy" are self-explanatory. "Other", is everything else -- including but not limited to reality tv, talk shows, children's programming, news, sports, variety, etc. In cases where a show could fit into multiple categories, it's up to you to decide where to slot it. However, be aware that voters may not agree and may penalize you for your choice.

A few notes:
The draft is open to everyone -- observers are welcome. Discussion of picks is encouraged.

In general, it's considered very poor form to suggest picks during the draft -- the equivalent of being the guy who doesn't play poker but sits at the rail and shouts out to get attention. However, it will happen. If you're the sort of person who thinks you'd be really, really bothered by this, do yourself a favor and don't play.

In order for the draft to be fun, it has to move quickly. That means that if you will not be checking the forums frequently, you should send an advance list of picks to a partipant or observer to choose for you. If you are not willing to send a list for your picks to keep the draft moving, you should not sign up to play. Players who cause delays in the draft will be replaced.

What about...:
What constitutes a "show"? Does something qualify as a "moment"? In cases where clarification is needed, the final call will be made by the commissioner (that's me, genius). At any time, you may ask the commisioner to clarify a rule or category -- however, you must post the question in the thread. No PMing the commish for advance rulings, please.

If someone makes an invalid pick, the commish will explain why the pick doesn't work and that team will pick again. However, if other teams have already made their picks, those picks will count (in order to avoid having to redo stretches of the draft). So if you try to get tricky with your picks and get burned, don't blame me.

[Crapshoot]

Ready and willing to go - here's hoping my top choice lasts till 3. :D

[Maple Leafs]

The draft has started. WSUCougar is on the clock.

Please re-read the rules to make sure you understand how it works, and post any questions here.

There will be no time limit for now, but I reserve the right to institute one if needed. I've made the first line of the first post an "on the clock" notice, so that you could mouse over the thread any time and see who's up. But keep in mind that I won't always be around to update the thread, so if your turn is near please check in from time to time just in case.

I doubt we'll really get going until tomorrow. So if you won't be around during the day, please consider sending a pick to someone else (either me, another player, or any FOFCer who agrees to help you). We don't want to rush people, but the fact is that if we don't move quickly then interest will fade. If you cause frequent delays you may be replaced.

A note to observers: Please feel free to debate, applaud or critique picks that have been made. However, please refrain from suggesting picks unless you've been asked -- it tends to ruin the fun for the players, and you'll probably have more fun seeing how your draft list stacks up if you don't shout it out during the draft.

Good luck and enjoy!

[WSUCougar]

Yikes, 1st overall pick? No pressure or anything. Any chance the TV version of Eli Manning doesn't want to play for me so I can trade down?

Actually, I'm eager to grab my top choice, but the debate is which category to place it in. I'm sure this will be deemed controversial by some, but I think the depth in comedy shows will more than counter. So...

With the first pick in the 2006 FOFC TV Draft, Team WSUCougar selects:

Show, drama: M*A*S*H

Falls into the nebulous "dramedy" zone, and certainly a worthy comedy in its own right, but I think it was a powerful drama and it was clearly one of the best TV series ever. Let the debate begin. :D

[Maple Leafs]

My wife and I have had fights over whether MASH was a comedy or drama. I still argue to this day that laugh track = sitcom, end of story. But I think it works in either spot.

MASH was a slam dunk first round pick, although I'm a little surprised it didn't get used in the "moment" category, since the final episode was the most watched show of all time.

[WSUCougar]

Yeah, I think early on in the Colonel Blake-Trapper-Frank Burns era it would have been placed almost strictly as a comedy, but as it evolved it became a powerful drama sprinkled with humor (sometimes quite dark). As for the laugh track...ugh.

[Crapshoot]

Good solid no 1 pick IMO - peak value and career value. Hard to question this choice.

[Radii]

Mash is what I was going to go with if what I felt is the easy #1 was taken... give me a minute to come up with the best way to word it, since its a 'moment' and i'll make my pick

[Radii]

With pick 1.2, I'll take:

Moment, Drama: Dallas - Who Shot JR?

The greatest cliffhanger in television history. Some googling told me that the episode where the answer was revealed was the most watched show in history until the MASH finale a couple of years later. This was the first thing that popped into my head when I read the thread about this draft and it took me some serious thinking as I was falling asleep last night to come up with anything that I would consider a close second(I would have selected MASH, and was debating last episode/show as a whole as Maple Leafs mentioned above).

Crapshoot is up.

[WSUCougar]

Interesting selection.

From a TV history perspective, the impact of that moment is undeniable. However, from a qualitative view (mine, anyway :D), I didn't think much of that show, so I feel this is a bit of a reach.

[Crapshoot]

engaged in a couple of trade discussions - will report back asap. I think my top choice might last... :D

[Crapshoot]

A trade has been agreed upon with KC:

Crapshoot sends:
1.3
3.3
4.7

KC Sends:
1.6
2.5
4.5

Here's hoping the gamble pays of for me!

[kcchief19]

Crapshoot and I have competed a trade -- I'm rushing out the door so I'll let Crappy complete the details -- but I'll move forward with my pick:

1.3 - Comedy, Moment: Seinfeld - The Outing

Probably the best done and best well handled Seinfeld episode of all time. The Soup Nazi is probably a bit more popular, but who here hasn't said, "Not that there's anything wrong with that?"

[WSUCougar]

Here's hoping the gamble pays of for me!
Interested to hear the details if/when you can discuss them. :cool:

[Crapshoot]

Interested to hear the details if/when you can discuss them. :cool:

Will do, after the 1.6 pick.. :D

[WSUCougar]

1.3 - Comedy, Moment: Seinfeld - The Outing

Wow...so Seinfeld gets removed from the draft with that, eh? Interesting.

[Raiders Army]

With pick 1.2, I'll take:

Moment, Drama: Dallas - Who Shot JR?

The greatest cliffhanger in television history. Some googling told me that the episode where the answer was revealed was the most watched show in history until the MASH finale a couple of years later. This was the first thing that popped into my head when I read the thread about this draft and it took me some serious thinking as I was falling asleep last night to come up with anything that I would consider a close second(I would have selected MASH, and was debating last episode/show as a whole as Maple Leafs mentioned above).

Crapshoot is up.
Nice moment. It might have been available later, but it would be difficult to match J.R.'s shooting.

[rkmsuf]

The Contest in Seinfeld could have been in play as well.

[Maple Leafs]

Note to all -- I'll be away this afternoon. Draft can of course continue, but the list at the top of the thread won't be updated until some time this evening.

Anyone want to volunteer to make my picks for me while I'm gone?

Edit: So please don't send any advance picks to me for this afternoon.

[George]

The Contest in Seinfeld could have been in play as well.

That's the first one that came to mind for me.

[vex]

Crapshoot and I have competed a trade -- I'm rushing out the door so I'll let Crappy complete the details -- but I'll move forward with my pick:

1.3 - Comedy, Moment: Seinfeld - The Outing

Probably the best done and best well handled Seinfeld episode of all time. The Soup Nazi is probably a bit more popular, but who here hasn't said, "Not that there's anything wrong with that?"
Soup Nazi and many others would have been a better choice.

[Radii]

lots of seinfeld moments could have really, and its the rare great series where to many people the last episode is a negative thing so you couldn't go with that. Though I think the most value out of that show could have been gained in the Performer category.

This draft is going to be even more wide open than the comedy draft. There are obviously drastically different opinions on various shows/moment/characters. It looks like there are 3 or 4 "clear #1 picks" out there to different people.

[Maple Leafs]

The question of whether to use a show in the show, performer or moment category will be the key to the draft, I suspect.

[Johnny93g]

Nice moment. It might have been available later, but it would be difficult to match J.R.'s shooting.

I cant think of a moment that hasnt been chosen that would match, and i think top any other tv moment. Curious as to whether it will go at all. Ill be watching

[Maple Leafs]

The problem the we'll run into -- and it's intentional -- is that many of the most memorable moments in TV history won't qualify because you can't associate them to a specific show.

[Abe Sargent]

lots of seinfeld moments could have really, and its the rare great series where to many people the last episode is a negative thing so you couldn't go with that. Though I think the most value out of that show could have been gained in the Performer category.

This draft is going to be even more wide open than the comedy draft. There are obviously drastically different opinions on various shows/moment/characters. It looks like there are 3 or 4 "clear #1 picks" out there to different people.


Agreed. I wonder how long it will take for my "obvious number one" to go. I would like drafting near or at the wheel on this one, because you might score two top of the top shows sitting there.

-Anxiety

[Maple Leafs]

Hi all...

Since it's still early, I'm going to make a rule change since it shouldn't affect anyone's strategy yet.

Original rule:
A regularly scheduled event is considered a show even if it switches networks -- e.g. "The Oscars" is one show

New rule:
A regularly scheduled event that switches networks does not count as a show.

Reason: After thinking about it, I think we open ourselves to an almost endless series of possible sporting event picks with the current rule. Someone will take the Super Bowl, then the Olympics, then the Indy 500, etc., until the draft partially morphs into a sporting event draft.

[Barkeep49]

Frankly if we're going for moments from Seinfeld, as opposed to episodes, I think there are many others that I'd pick above the Outing. While I think Seinfeld was a great pick I agree with those around here who are critical of how it has been used.

[Karlifornia]

M*A*S*H* got all preachy at the end, but I guess that's gotta go first round. The Seinfeld pick is sketchy, because there are so many great moments. I think I would have just taken it as a show overall, because it cannot be topped, IMO.

[Raven]

I agree, I would have taken Seinfeld as a whole.

Who Shot J.R. was a great pick, and was the first thing I thought of when I entered the game.

MASH - Though probably a great pick, I don't think it appeals much to the under 30 crowd.

I'm itching to make my pick and can only hope it falls to me at 1.9.

[ThunderingHERD]

MASH taken as a drama? A cheap, transparent attempt at gerrymandering genre borders which will, hopefully, be punished by the voters.

[Warhammer]

Actually, I thought MASH was a bit week as the #1 pick. I thought Seinfeld as a comedy show belongs there. J.R. at #2 is solid.

[Sublime 2]

I'm also in the Seinfeld #1 camp but then again i'm 20 years old and have maybe watched a combined 4 hours of MASH ever...though i still do understand it's importance and popularity.

[Maple Leafs]

JonInMiddleGA has been on the clock for six hours, and didn't send in an advance pick. I'm not going to penalize him now since it's possible he doesn't even realize the draft has started, but if he hasn't pick by tomorrow morning we'll replace him and move on.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I surely didn't realize the draft had started ... first day I'm away from the comp for any length of time since I don't know when, and (naturally) I hold up progress.

Heck, I didn't even realize I was "in", much less on the clock, so I'm really out of the swing I guess. Gimme a few minutes to absorb the thread & get caught up here & I'll make a selection.

[JonInMiddleGA]

With the fourth pick of the first round of the TV Draft, JonInMiddleGA selects:

1.4 -- Moment, Other, "Do you believe in miracles?" ... "Yes!"
(from ABC Olympic Coverage, Feb 20, 1980)


Of all the great moments in television history, few if any were more unlikely, more emotional, and became more a part of the American psyche than this one. No one who saw it is likely to ever forget the feeling.

[Maple Leafs]

As per my previous post, Olympics coverage is not eligible to be picked.

The Miracle on Ice is a great moment, but unless you can associate it to a specifc show (e.g. Wide World of Sports) then it doesn't qualify. I don't think there is a specifc show you can use here, although I admit I could be wrong if you feel like researching it.

Otherwise, definitely a first round moment.

[Raven]

MASH taken as a drama? A cheap, transparent attempt at gerrymandering genre borders which will, hopefully, be punished by the voters.

Does every post you make have to be so flamingly gay and pretentious? Do you really talk like that, or are you just another internet know it all?

[JonInMiddleGA]

As per my previous post, Olympics coverage is not eligible to be picked.

I must have missed that somewhere along the way, and I even re-read the rule post (I thought) while I was deciding the pick. Of course, with another review, I see the post that I missed (or actually, misread as saying something else) down in the thread.

I thoroughly, wholeheartedly, and enthusiastically disagree with the ruling ... but that has nothing to do with why I picked in violation of it either. That was just a flat out flub-up on my part & I'll re-pick as soon as possible.

[Raven]

jon, ill give you my first and second, for your first and second?

[Maple Leafs]

I must have missed that somewhere along the way, and I even re-read the rule post (I thought) while I was deciding the pick. Of course, with another review, I see the post that I missed (or actually, misread as saying something else) down in the thread.It was changed today. The original rules would have allowed "The Olympics" to be considered a show, but I just feel like I'm opening it up too much at that point. World events, both sporting and otherwise, will still have a place in this draft, but the idea is to focus on the shows, not the bigger, more general moments.

[ThunderingHERD]

Does every post you make have to be so flamingly gay and pretentious? Do you really talk like that, or are you just another internet know it all?

I <i>so</i> want you to rip my clothes off and have your way with me right now.

[Schmidty]

jon, ill give you my first and second, for your first and second?

HEY!!!! I saw you on TV!!!!!

[JonInMiddleGA]

With the 4th pick in th ... JonInMiddleGA has traded the 4th pick in the 1st round & the 7th pick of the 2nd round to Raven for the 9th pick of the 1st round & the 2nd pick of the 2nd round.

[Raven]

Thanks, Jon.


February 9th, 1964.

The Ed Sullivan Show gives most of America their first introduction to a British band named The Beatles. It was the first time The Beatles performed in the United States, and an estimated 73,000,000 people were watching the show. 40% of America's population.


My first choice for this is Other, Performers. If that doesn't work within the rules, I'll take Other, Moments.

[cthomer5000]

Weak usage of Seinfeld, IMHO.

[Schmidty]

Thanks, Jon.


February 9th, 1964.

The Ed Sullivan Show gives most of America their first introduction to a British band named The Beatles. It was the first time The Beatles performed in the United States, and an estimated 73,000,000 people were watching the show. 40% of America's population.


My first choice for this is Other, Performers. If that doesn't work within the rules, I'll take Other, Moments.

You took mine. Now I don't know what to do. :(

[Raven]

You took mine. Now I don't know what to do. :(


HEY!!!! I saw you on TV!!!!!

So I wasn't your first round pick?
:( :(

[ThunderingHERD]

<b>Johnny Carson</b>, for The Tonight Show (other).

[Schmidty]

So I wasn't your first round pick?
:( :(

While it was a good performance, I think your glass washing skills weren't very convincing. Sorry. :(

[Crapshoot]

Can I assume 1.4 and 1.5 fly ? I'm going to hold of on this pick until that's clear... :D

[Maple Leafs]

Both picks are good, although I'd like Raven to clarify whether he's taking Ed Sullivan or the Beatles as his performer.

[Maple Leafs]

<b>Johnny Carson</b>, for The Tonight Show (other).
Just to be clear for future picks, The Tonight Show is one show (i.e. you can't use the Leno version, etc).

[Crapshoot]

With Pick 1.6, Crapshoot takes Cheers in the Comedy category

I was very tempted to take this show at 1.3 - but decided it might last. In terms of the best comedies of all times, it ranks up there with Seinfeld and MASH - and given those two were taken in other roles, I feel confident that I've drafted the best show that will end up in the "Comedy" category. Sam "Mayday" Malone is one of the greatest characters ever seen on TV, and a supporting cast of Norm, Cliff, Coach/Woody, Fraiser, Carla, and of course Diane give it depth. Added bonus point for the sentimental touches - after the death of Nicholas Colasanto ("Coach"),the picture of "Geronimo" stays on the walls, as a tribute. As a bonus, it spun of "Frasier", another great show. In the end, we all want a place where "everybody knows your name, and they're always glad you came."

[Abe Sargent]

With Pick 1.6, Crapshoot takes Cheers in the Comedy category

I was very tempted to take this show at 1.3 - but decided it might last. In terms of the best comedies of all times, it ranks up there with Seinfeld and MASH - and given those two were taken in other roles, I feel confident that I've drafted the best show that will end up in the "Comedy" category. Sam "Mayday" Malone is one of the greatest characters ever seen on TV, and a supporting cast of Norm, Cliff, Coach/Woody, Fraiser, Carla, and of course Diane give it depth. Added bonus point for the sentimental touches - after the death of Nicholas Colasanto ("Coach"),the picture of "Geronimo" stays on the walls, as a tribute. As a bonus, it spun of "Frasier", another great show. In the end, we all want a place where "everybody knows your name, and they're always glad you came."


I like Cheers. I just don't feel that it was even close to the best comedy left on the board.

-Anxiety

[Crapshoot]

I like Cheers. I just don't feel that it was even close to the best comedy left on the board.

-Anxiety

Eh, different strokes. :D I love Arrested Devlopment, but it would not have been a popular pick at 1.6...

[Maple Leafs]

Both picks are good, although I'd like Raven to clarify whether he's taking Ed Sullivan or the Beatles as his performer.
After chatting with Raven, he's taking the Beatles in the moment category.

[Maple Leafs]

After missing out in the comedians draft, we make amends here...

1.7 Performer, comedy - Lucille Ball (I Love Lucy)

[Schmidty]

After missing out in the comedians draft, we make amends here...

1.7 Performer, comedy - Lucille Ball (I Love Lucy)

FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My pick might take awhile, because that was my pick too. :mad:

[Schmidty]

Do we need to know the exact name of an episode, or can we just describe it? I saw an episode of one of my favorite (old) shows recently that I love, but I have no idea what the name is.

[Schmidty]

Oh well, I'll just pick the show instead of the moment I'm thinking of:

Comedy, Show - All in the Family

[JonInMiddleGA]

Darn you Schmidty

[Maple Leafs]

Just a description is fine as long as it's fairly clear.

I seriously considered taking "Sammy Davis Jr kisses Archie Bunker" with my pick.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Schmidty's pick (of what would have been my first round pick) should bring us to me & my traded down selection at #1.9

For trading down, I'm pretty happy with what I get ... after all, it's hard to beat the longest-running series with the most episodes of any fictional content series in history.

Pick #1.9 is Show, Drama, Gunsmoke

[Schmidty]

Just a description is fine as long as it's fairly clear.

I seriously considered taking "Sammy Davis Jr kisses Archie Bunker" with my pick.

Bingo. That's the one I was thinking of. I should have done that instaed of the show. Oh well.

[JonInMiddleGA]

For those who may not recall the legacy of my selection, consider:
-- Three years running (57,58,59) as the highest rated show on television
-- It brought in the era of the TV western, paving the way for classics like Bonanza, and Wagon Train, and yet was the last one standing when the era finally ended
-- The show not only made the successful transition from radio to television, but also smoothly made the switch from black & white to color
-- The show was so much a part of Americana that rumors of its cancellation in 1967 sparked such a response that the show was praised in Congress and revived in the eye of the viewers who propelled the show back into the top twenty to continue its run.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Maple Leafs -- I've been working since 430 this morning & I'm pretty much wiped out. The next draftee isn't in the thread at the moment & I'm getting pretty doubtful that I'm going to even be awake when my 2nd choice comes up in a couple of picks. I also don't know how long things will keep moving here, so I'm wondering ... can I PM you a short preference list (enough to guarantee something in hand for my next pick) or should I do a longer list that would cover the next three rounds?

[Maple Leafs]

Maple Leafs -- I've been working since 430 this morning & I'm pretty much wiped out. The next draftee isn't in the thread at the moment & I'm getting pretty doubtful that I'm going to even be awake when my 2nd choice comes up in a couple of picks. I also don't know how long things will keep moving here, so I'm wondering ... can I PM you a short preference list (enough to guarantee something in hand for my next pick) or should I do a longer list that would cover the next three rounds?
No, a short list is fine. You'd be surprised how few of your picks will be used, so it wouldn't shock me if we can get two rounds with shorter list.

[JonInMiddleGA]

No, a short list is fine. You'd be surprised how few of your picks will be used, so it wouldn't shock me if we can get two rounds with shorter list.

PM sent, with 10 selections, that ought to cover me for the night pretty darned well. Meanwhile, I'm hitting the rack, 'cause I'm just too stinkin' old to work for 17 hours straight anymore.

[kcchief19]

Wow, I was away from my computer most of the day and just discovered how much everyone hated my usage of Seinfeld. Looks like I'm boned.

To each his own I supposed. I mentioned this in our earlier comedian draft, but I think the performers of Seinfeld were nothing more than instruments of the writing; there are plenty of people who are better performers than those actors. I certainly could have gone with the entirety of the show; that might have been a miscalculation.

I think I'm partial to The Outing because I think it was absolute genius in the way a controversial subject was handled. If you've seen the DVDs of the show, you can tell from the interviews and the commentary that The Outing is what the cast probably considers their best show. The Contest was great as well; I can also see that point.

[sachmo71]

1.10. Show, Comedy, The Simpsons

Put Fox on the map, and changed pop culture forever. Oh, and also kicked off the primetime cartoon craze. And some other stuff.

2.1. Show, Comedy, Saturday Night Live

Burning through my shows and comedy slots, but this show is another heavy hitter. Some of the greatest moments in TV were seen on this show and is a television institution.

[Crapshoot]

grr! I was hoping SNL would last till 2.5!

[Barkeep49]

I think SNL should have been used for some moment as there have been many, but otherwise I think Sachmo's off to a great start. The Ed Sullivan Beatles pick was something I hadn't though of, but certainly worth first round consideration. Gunsmoke was good, but I think a little early. Overall I'd say that I've been impressed with what people have drafted here.

[Crapshoot]

Yeah, I would have gone with Cowbell, or Sinead O Connor, or a whole bunch - but still, SNL as a show is a great pick.

[Karlifornia]

I don't have any qualms with sachmo's selections. I disagree to those that say one SNL moments stands out. There are just so many of them that are neck-and-neck.

[Maple Leafs]

See, to me SNL is clearly a show that you want to pick as a show, not a moment. I really can't think of any SNL moments that were so enormous that they should be recognized on their own. If I had to pick one, I'd probably go with Richard Pryor and Chevy Chase playing word association, but overall I think taking the show as a whole is the right pick.

[Maple Leafs]

Oops, I forgot that Raven and JonInMiddleGA had swapped second round picks. Jon did send in his picks, so...

2.2 Show, Other - Hockey Night in Canada

Schmidty is up at 2.3.

[Radii]

I'd agree with SNL being best used as a show. I was hoping the Simpsons would fall to me at 2.9. This is tough, I honestly have no idea what I want to take next.

[WSUCougar]

Yeah, I concur that SNL is best grabbed as a show and not a moment. You ask a dozen folks on the street what their favorite SNL "moment" is and you'd probably get that many different responses back.

"Hockey Night in Canada" is an interesting choice, but personally I think it's a major reach in the early second round.

[Maple Leafs]

Agreed that HNIC seems like a reach here. It's the sort of pick that could win you a lot of votes, though. Would it have been there in the third round (or later?) I think so, but I guess he wanted to be safe.

[Samdari]

1.10. Show, Comedy, The Simpsons

Put Fox on the map, and changed pop culture forever. Oh, and also kicked off the primetime cartoon craze. And some other stuff.

2.1. Show, Comedy, Saturday Night Live

Burning through my shows and comedy slots, but this show is another heavy hitter. Some of the greatest moments in TV were seen on this show and is a television institution.

Great pick with SNL.

I also like the Simpson, although I will quibble that it kicked off a primetime cartoon craze. A handful of short lived series, none successful on a major network, no top 40 rated shows, does not constitute, in any definition of the word, a "craze."

[Raiders Army]

1.10. Show, Comedy, The Simpsons

Put Fox on the map, and changed pop culture forever. Oh, and also kicked off the primetime cartoon craze. And some other stuff.

2.1. Show, Comedy, Saturday Night Live

Burning through my shows and comedy slots, but this show is another heavy hitter. Some of the greatest moments in TV were seen on this show and is a television institution.
Nice and nice.

[sachmo71]

Great pick with SNL.

I also like the Simpson, although I will quibble that it kicked off a primetime cartoon craze. A handful of short lived series, none successful on a major network, no top 40 rated shows, does not constitute, in any definition of the word, a "craze."


So to qualify to fit the word craze, it must be successful? Like the dot com craze? Or legwarmers?

By the way, here is the definition of "craze" from dictionary.com.


craze ( P ) Pronunciation Key (krz)
v. crazed, craz·ing, craz·es
v. tr.
To cause to become mentally deranged or obsessed; make insane.
To produce a network of fine cracks in the surface or glaze of.

v. intr.
To become mentally deranged or obsessed; go insane.
To become covered with fine cracks.

n.
A short-lived popular fashion; a fad.
A fine crack in a surface or glaze.

[Maple Leafs]

By the way, Schmidty didn't send a pick. If anyone who got yelled at for that in his sports draft wants to mock him now, be my guest.

[JonInMiddleGA]

re"HNIC -- it might well have been around in the 3rd round, but I was afraid that somebody else might stumble upon it by thinking along the lines of "hmm ... what about shows outside the U.S.". And in that scenario, poof, there goes my pick that I really feel good about overall. (HNIC may very well be to sports tv what FM is to text-sims)

It may be a little bit like drafting a kicking specialist early, but I really feel like I drafted Ray Guy not Sebastian Janikowski.

[WSUCougar]

It may be a little bit like drafting a kicking specialist early, but I really feel like I drafted Ray Guy not Sebastian Janikowski.Okay, THAT actually made sense. :D

[sachmo71]

re"HNIC -- it might well have been around in the 3rd round, but I was afraid that somebody else might stumble upon it by thinking along the lines of "hmm ... what about shows outside the U.S.". And in that scenario, poof, there goes my pick that I really feel good about overall. (HNIC may very well be to sports tv what FM is to text-sims)

It may be a little bit like drafting a kicking specialist early, but I really feel like I drafted Ray Guy not Sebastian Janikowski.


In my keeper league, on guy took Seabass in the 2nd round in his rookie year. But I won't compare you to him. :)

[Schmidty]

Comedy, Performer - Jackie Geason, "The Honeymooners"

[Samdari]

So to qualify to fit the word craze, it must be successful? Like the dot com craze? Or legwarmers?

By the way, here is the definition of "craze" from dictionary.com.


craze ( P ) Pronunciation Key (krz)
v. crazed, craz·ing, craz·es
v. tr.
To cause to become mentally deranged or obsessed; make insane.
To produce a network of fine cracks in the surface or glaze of.

v. intr.
To become mentally deranged or obsessed; go insane.
To become covered with fine cracks.

n.
A short-lived popular fashion; a fad.
A fine crack in a surface or glaze.

Legwarmers and dot-com stocks were both short-lived and very popular. Prime time cartoons do not fit that definition, because other than the Simpsons, none ever rose to the level of popular.

Reality shows are (I hope) a craze. Prime time cartoons are a very small niche.

[Abe Sargent]

I know that a lot of folks like and respect the Honeymooners and I Love Lucy, but to be honest, I don't think that those two shows stand the test of time as well as some contemporary shows of the day. I really think those two are overrated and that the major two actors (lucy and jackie) seem to have one major schtick and stick with in through thick and thin.

-Anxiety

[JonInMiddleGA]

re: prime-time cartoons -- I thought the Simpsons was a nice pick at that spot (and considered it myself even though I'm not particularly a fan of the show). It's the most successful of its kind, and I believe the success (and continuing growth) of properties like the Adult Swim lineup may be starting to redefine what "prime time" really is. Absent a Simpsons, I'm not at all sure those shows would exist at all.

re: Jackie Gleason -- again, it may be one schtick, but it's the defining example of the type. And minus Jackie/Honeymooners, I don't believe we see the same Archie Bunker, the same George Jefferson, or any of the countless other "flawed but lovable" male sitcom characters that are such a part of the whole genre.

[Maple Leafs]

2.4 Moment, other - Howard Cossell announces the death of John Lennon (Monday Night Football)

kcchief is on the clock.

[Maple Leafs]

I know that a lot of folks like and respect the Honeymooners and I Love Lucy, but to be honest, I don't think that those two shows stand the test of time as well as some contemporary shows of the day. I really think those two are overrated and that the major two actors (lucy and jackie) seem to have one major schtick and stick with in through thick and thin.
That may be true, but as Jon points out, it defined the genre. It's like listening to an old radio comedy from the first half of the century -- they don't hold up well now because the humor seems so cliched. But it wasn't cliched back then -- it became cliched because those people were the groundbreakers, and everyone else followed along until the path became very well worn.

[Schmidty]

I know that a lot of folks like and respect the Honeymooners and I Love Lucy, but to be honest, I don't think that those two shows stand the test of time as well as some contemporary shows of the day. I really think those two are overrated and that the major two actors (lucy and jackie) seem to have one major schtick and stick with in through thick and thin.

-Anxiety

That's cool, but I totally disagree. I love both shows and watch them everytime they're on, and Jackie and Lucy would be funny no matter what era it is. I mean, think about Gleason's hilarious performance in "Smokey and the Bandit". The man was a comedic genius.

[sachmo71]

Legwarmers and dot-com stocks were both short-lived and very popular. Prime time cartoons do not fit that definition, because other than the Simpsons, none ever rose to the level of popular.

Reality shows are (I hope) a craze. Prime time cartoons are a very small niche.


And primetime cartoons, before the Simpsons, consisted of...The Flintstones. How about after? Thus, my contention that the Simpsons started a short lived, popular fad. Two, actually, but that's another story.

[Crapshoot]

2.4 Moment, other - Howard Cossell announces the death of John Lennon (Monday Night Football)

kcchief is on the clock.

Actually, I'm on the clock as per the trade.

With pick 2.5, Moment, other - Neal Armstrong takes the first human steps on the moon - (news) - "One Small Step for man, one large step for mankind."

[kcchief19]

This is starting to make my head hurt.

Question: No neccessarily a protest, but a point of clarification -- does Crapshoot need to identify a show for the moon landing? I mean, I'm sure there is a show that could be associated with it. Or is this protected because it's listed as "other," making Other a catchall category?

[Crapshoot]

Good question - I re-read the rules before making the pick, and it suggested that news or whatever was fair game - thus I went ahead with my pick.

[Maple Leafs]

Specific news shows are OK. "The news" is not.

"The news" or "Saturday morning cartoons" would not be a valid pick.
If you can find a specific news program, it's good. However, note that for most famous world events (and there are literally dozens that would be early picks in this draft otherwise) you'll likely be unable to find a specific program, because the broadcasts were special events (i.e. "breaking news", etc).

Edit: To be even more specific, "NBC News Special Report" would not count since it's a generic catch-all. However, if you happen to know that the CBS Evening News showed the moon landing live during a regularly scheduled broadcast, then you can choose it (similar to my MNF pick). But be prepared to show a link or some other form of evidence.

[revrew]

I know that a lot of folks like and respect the Honeymooners and I Love Lucy, but to be honest, I don't think that those two shows stand the test of time as well as some contemporary shows of the day. I really think those two are overrated and that the major two actors (lucy and jackie) seem to have one major schtick and stick with in through thick and thin.

-Anxiety

Couldnt' disagree more. And adding to the Seinfeld pick controversy (perhaps the most controversial thus far), I think the controversy itself points to a--perhaps to be expected--bias toward the contemporary on the part of most of the discussion thus far.

I suggest that Seinfeld and certain other (not-yet-picked, so I won't name them) won't stand the "test of time" nearly as well as the oldies. "I Love Lucy" is still talked about 50 years later. Will Seinfeld? I'm guessing it won't.

But, lest you think me too old-fashioned, I think Gunsmoke--while a great sleeper pick at some point--doesn't have the emotional pull to be its team's franchise player. I would have went with a flashier QB first and hoped to pull this dependable RB later.

[Crapshoot]

fair enough - give me a minute to find a link. :D
http://www.cbs.com/specials/cbs_75/timeline/1960.shtml

CBS Evening NEws with Walter Cronkite - would that work ? Apologize for the confusion if it doesn't.

[JonInMiddleGA]

fair enough - give me a minute to find a link. :D
http://www.cbs.com/specials/cbs_75/timeline/1960.shtml

CBS Evening NEws with Walter Cronkite - would that work ? Apologize for the confusion if it doesn't.

Just off-hand ... As the rocket lands on the lunar surface at 4:19 PM, EDT ... the time suggests to me that it couldn't have been part of the CBS Evening News

[Maple Leafs]

Cronkite was the host, but I'm 99% sure it was special coverage.

FYI, my orginal first round pick was going to be Cronkite's voice cracking as he announced the death of John F. Kennedy. But after digging, I couldn't find any evidence that it happened on a regular program.

I'm not trying to make things complicated... it's just that this was meant to be a draft focused on TV shows, not world events that were televised (which is almost all of them of the last 50 years). If we don't draw the line, half the "moment" picks will be breaking news moments -- 9/11, the Challenger, the Berlin Wall, Oswald is shot, etc.

[Abe Sargent]

Couldnt' disagree more. And adding to the Seinfeld pick controversy (perhaps the most controversial thus far), I think the controversy itself points to a--perhaps to be expected--bias toward the contemporary on the part of most of the discussion thus far.

I suggest that Seinfeld and certain other (not-yet-picked, so I won't name them) won't stand the "test of time" nearly as well as the oldies. "I Love Lucy" is still talked about 50 years later. Will Seinfeld? I'm guessing it won't.

But, lest you think me too old-fashioned, I think Gunsmoke--while a great sleeper pick at some point--doesn't have the emotional pull to be its team's franchise player. I would have went with a flashier QB first and hoped to pull this dependable RB later.


I thik Seinfeld is overrated as well, and I think two of THE best possible picks for this are still around and from the early days of TV, so this is not a time bias thing on my part, at least.


-Anxiety

[Crapshoot]

Cronkite was the host, but I'm 99% sure it was special coverage.

FYI, my orginal first round pick was going to be Cronkite's voice cracking as he announced the death of John F. Kennedy. But after digging, I couldn't find any evidence that it happened on a regular program.

I'm not trying to make things complicated... it's just that this was meant to be a draft focused on TV shows, not world events that were televised (which is almost all of them of the last 50 years). If we don't draw the line, half the "moment" picks will be breaking news moments -- 9/11, the Challenger, the Berlin Wall, Oswald is shot, etc.

Fair enough - I'll change my pick..

And JIMGA - I saw the same time you did, but figured it was expanded coverage.

2.5 - Comedy - Performer - The Fonz, in Happy Days

[Maple Leafs]

Close enough!

(You're actually drafting real people, not characters, so I'll put you down for Henry Winkler.)

[Maple Leafs]

By the way, someone asked for clarification on this: A performer is a single person, not a group, duo, etc.

[Crapshoot]

Close enough!

(You're actually drafting real people, not characters, so I'll put you down for Henry Winkler.)

You know, I feel stupid - I just read that in the rules, but forgot to type out Winkler in the role - I know he can't be selected again. Brain Fart.

[JonInMiddleGA]

2.5 - Comedy - Performer - The Fonz, in Happy Days

Good call IMO, was on my list very close to next as well.

[Maple Leafs]

Hey Jon, should I still be using your list if/when you're not around?

[Raiders Army]

Close enough!

(You're actually drafting real people, not characters, so I'll put you down for Henry Winkler.)
But the Fonz is cool. Henry Winkler is not.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Hey Jon, should I still be using your list if/when you're not around? If it isn't dead yet, please do ... I'm having a hell of a time keeping up here and working at the same time. And considering the original deadline on this work project was Thanksgiving, I fear it kinda has to come first :(

[Maple Leafs]

Will do.

ThunderingHerd is up... he didn't send a pick, so I'm assuming he'll be along any minute.

[Schmidty]

Will do.

ThunderingHerd is up... he didn't send a pick, so I'm assuming he'll be along any minute.

Do you need me to crack some skulls?

[Crapshoot]

Eh - I should be back in time for 2.8

[sachmo71]

Just off-hand ... As the rocket lands on the lunar surface at 4:19 PM, EDT ... the time suggests to me that it couldn't have been part of the CBS Evening News


The evening was a lot earlier back then. And longer.

[kcchief19]

Couldnt' disagree more. And adding to the Seinfeld pick controversy (perhaps the most controversial thus far), I think the controversy itself points to a--perhaps to be expected--bias toward the contemporary on the part of most of the discussion thus far.

I suggest that Seinfeld and certain other (not-yet-picked, so I won't name them) won't stand the "test of time" nearly as well as the oldies. "I Love Lucy" is still talked about 50 years later. Will Seinfeld? I'm guessing it won't.
I take the opposite view. Your's is a popular view -- I've heard many people talk about how amazing "I Love Lucy" is because people still talk about it. But the only people who talk about it are people who were alive when it was on originally or grew up with the reruns. Aske a 20-year-old about the show and the best answer you might get, "Oh, I think I saw that on Nick at Nite when I was four." Generation X is the end of the "I Love Lucy" generation. Once we're gone, that's it.

I think Seinfeld will have slightly less shelf life, not because of a lower quality of greatness but because of the state of the times. Remember, some of those Seinfeld episodes were waxing nostalgic about are already 15 years old. I imagine that due to the 500-channel digital world and increased entertainment competition, Seinfeld probably won't be as popular a rerun in 2020 as I Love Lucy was in 1980.

But "I Love Lucy" is not Shakespeare. It's not eternal.

[Crapshoot]

Good call IMO, was on my list very close to next as well.

thanks - I realized that I had completely blanked out on this, and I figure I may as well load up on one category early... :D

[ThunderingHERD]

<b>Moment - Edward R. Murrow takes on Joseph McCarthy</b> on See It Now (other).

[Abe Sargent]

<b>Moment - Edward R. Murrow takes on Joseph McCarthy</b> on See It Now (other).



Wow.


-Anxiety

[Maple Leafs]

I like that pick... maybe a little more obscure than others, but should impress some voters.

[WSUCougar]

Yeah, wow. My whole concept of how this draft would proceed has long since flown the coop.

[Abe Sargent]

I just want to say that I think you broke this draft with that pick. Amazing! I am stunned. This is an absolutely courageous choice and I adore it! This is one of those events that changed the world. Someone reporting a death and crying is touching, but at the end of the day, that was just reporting events thaat happened. This is arguably one of the few truly inspiring moments that changed things. Great call.


-Anxiety

[Raven]

Other, Shows
ESPN SportsCenter


We used to get a 5 minute sports wrapup on our local television news. Now we get indepth analysis, recaps, highlights and more several times a day, every day.

[ThunderingHERD]

I didn't think it was such an obscure pick, what with Good Night and Good Luck getting so much hype. And strategically, it fit in with what I'm doing. But thanks. :)

[Crapshoot]

<b>Moment - Edward R. Murrow takes on Joseph McCarthy</b> on See It Now (other).

Great pick. I was going to go with that, but decided to stick to a light hearted approach for now - and my hopes of it lasting till 2.8 have sadly been dashed. :D

[Crapshoot]

2.8 - Newhart, the Finale - It was all a dream.

As a moment, Comedy.

[Schmidty]

2.8 - Newhart, the Finale - It was all a dream.

Another person steals my pick. :(

[Maple Leafs]

2.8 - Newhart, the Finale - It was all a dream.

As a moment, Comedy.
This may be my all-time favorite TV moment. Not the most important, most memorable, etc... but it was just so brilliant and done so perfectly. People who say that the Seinfeld finale could never have lived up to expectations should watch this one.

"You should really wear more sweaters."

[Radii]

2.9 - Performer - Comedy - Bill Cosby as Cliff Huxtable (The Cosby Show)


One of the best sitcoms ever, the reruns are still hilarious today, and Bill Cosby stands out as one of the best TV Dads in history.

[Barkeep49]

This may be my all-time favorite TV moment. Not the most important, most memorable, etc... but it was just so brilliant and done so perfectly. People who say that the Seinfeld finale could never have lived up to expectations should watch this one.

"You should really wear more sweaters."
I agree 100% with this. Not only taking Newhart a great show, but this to me is the all time best finale of any show on TV, even better than MASH (though I don't have quite the connection to MASH that I do to Newhart). ML did get one thing wrong.

"No more Chinese" is the best line from that scene.

[Barkeep49]

Dola -- I've the last few picks acutally. All have been wonderful picks, each groundbreaking in their own way from the good (Cosby), the bad (McCarthy), and the ugly (Spontscenter -- ok maybe not ugly, but you know).

[WSUCougar]

2.10: Show, other, Star Trek

Sure, there are many that scoff at Trek and use it as a punchline for sci-fi nerds and geeks. But it spawned a massive TV, movie, and computer game empire that continues in powerhouse fashion some forty years later. Not to mention I love it.

3.1: Moment, comedy, WKRP's turkey drop scene
"Oh the humanity!" "With God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly"

[Maple Leafs]

Man, in all the time I've had to think about this, the WKRP scene never came to mind. But it's a brilliant pick.

[Maple Leafs]

Radii sent a pick! God bless him...

He takes:
3.2 Moment, other - Ali vs. Foreman, the Rumble in the Jungle (ABC's Wide World of Sports)

I honestly have no idea if the fight actually took place of Wide World, but he seemed pretty confident. If he turns out to be wrong he can repick, but the draft can continue in the meantime.

[Radii]

http://espn.go.com/abcsports/wwos/milestones/1970s.html

Jan 5, 1975. I thought of taking Wide World of Sports as a show in other but after some googling figured there were a lot of great moments within the show and it was worth taking as a moment.

[Crapshoot]

mother! he got the "Rumble in the Jungle"- smart man!

[kcchief19]

I'm with Cougar ... my concept of how this was going to work is out the window. My esoteric side is going to rear its ugly head and eat Tokyo during this draft.

Via trade with Crapshoot, I'll take

3.3 Comedy, moment: Mary Tyler Moore Show, Chuckles the Clown Dies

[vtbub]

I can't edit ML's post, but I think Jon is on the clock.

[Abe Sargent]

I thought that the Cosby Show would have been way up there, I think it fell. You can't understate its importance or entertainment value.

I thought the Newhart show was the top moment on the board at the very beginning - I had it in my head all along.


-Anxiety

[Crapshoot]

I thought that the Cosby Show would have been way up there, I think it fell. You can't understate its importance or entertainment value.

I thought the Newhart show was the top moment on the board at the very beginning - I had it in my head all along.


-Anxiety

Definitely would have been a 4th round choice for me, but I figured I had my top comedy already. I like Newhart, but I think Cheers was just significantly better - I was sure it would have been gone in round 1.

[Abe Sargent]

Ummmmm


How is Star Trek other and not drama?


-Anxiety

[Schmidty]

Ummmmm


How is Star Trek other and not drama?


-Anxiety

Ok, it's official: You are the TV draft's version of okjibwa.

[Schmidty]

My pick is 5 from now. I am so tired, I can't even rmotely think.

I am going to bed. I doubt my pick will be up before I wake up. If it is, I'm sorry. Goodnight.

[Maple Leafs]

Hi guys...

My bad, I had to head out for the night. I sent a pick to vtbub to keep things moving, but I forgot that Jon had a pick in between -- he's the one guy who's sent a nice long list to work from, so I should have passed that on bub as well.

His pick is:
3.4 Performer, comedy - Dick Van Dyke (The Dick Van Dyke Show)

Herd is up.

[Maple Leafs]

Hm... from what I can tell, Herd never posts here during the day. He didn't send me a pick... I don't suppose he sent one to anyone else?

[Maple Leafs]

I'll give HERD until noon EST to show up. I understand that not everyone can be around all day, but he knew his pick was coming up and apparently didn't send one in. I won't remove him from the draft but I would like to keep this moving so we have some momentum going into the weekend.

Are there any observers who'd like to volunteer to make a pick for HERD if he doesn't show up by noon?

[Abe Sargent]

Ok, it's official: You are the TV draft's version of okjibwa.


????


-Anxiety

[Maple Leafs]

I think it's time to move on... I've asked someone to make a pick on Herd's behalf. The good news is that while we waited, a handful of other people did send lists so hopefully things will pick up.

[Abe Sargent]

I think it's time to move on... I've asked someone to make a pick on Herd's behalf. The good news is that while we waited, a handful of other people did send lists so hopefully things will pick up.


I want to do good for HERD since he's a fellow fan of a WV institution. He has a couple of great other picks, so I figure he wants something else with this pick. So:


3.5 Show, Drama, The Twilight Zone.



-Anxiety

[Radii]

I like the Twilight Zone pick a lot, I had thought briefly about it during my last two picks.

I didn't comment on it yet, but the WKRP moment is awesome too, I started laughing the second I saw it. I never would have thought of it either.

[Maple Leafs]

kcchief sent his pick:

3.6 Performer, other - David Letterman (Late Night)

(Note that I think we need to count Late Night as one show since it's been on the same channel at the same time for it's whole run. In other words, this counts the Conan version too.)

[Maple Leafs]

For my pick, I'll go with a TV moment that set a ratings record that wasn't broken until Who Shot JR.

3.7 Moment, drama - Richard Kimble catches the one-armed man (The Fugitive)

[Abe Sargent]

For my pick, I'll go with a TV moment that set a ratings record that wasn't broken until Who Shot JR.

3.7 Moment, drama - Richard Kimble catches the one-armed man (The Fugitive)


Nice.


-Anxiety

[Radii]

what happened to 3.4 and 3.5?

[Radii]

dola,
3.3 Show, Drama, The Twilight Zone(anxiety for herd), followed by 3.6(kcchief) is what threw me, I think the picks themselves are actulaly fine?

[Abe Sargent]

dola,
3.3 Show, Drama, The Twilight Zone(anxiety for herd), followed by 3.6(kcchief) is what threw me, I think the picks themselves are actulaly fine?


Sorry about that, I had the order wrong - I edited my post to correct it.

-Anxiety

[Schmidty]

Ok, this will get met with derision, but oh well:

Drama, Performer - Star Trek: The Next Generation - Patrick Stewart (Jean Luc Picard)

[Raven]

Other, Moment - Survivor

Survivor: Pearl Islands Johnny Fairplay lies about the death of his grandmother to win a reward

Love or hate Survivor, it is the most succesful reality tv show. With this, I think I get the show, and the most memorable moment from it.

[Maple Leafs]

Nice... was wondering if Survivor would show up.

(Random ruling: "Survivor" is one show, even though each season has a different name.)

[ThunderingHERD]

Sorry about the hold up, I planned on getting up early and picking or sending in a list, but computer wasn't cooperating and I had to get to work. Anyway, thanks for the pick Anxiety, not bad at all.

[sachmo71]

3.10 Show, Drama, CSI

The one that started it all. Who knew crazy murders would be so popular!



4.1 Moment, Other, Jeopardy!, Ken Jennings loses in his bid to win his 75th game


Almost $2.7 million...on a GAME SHOW!!!

[JonInMiddleGA]

Maple Leafs -- you have a new PM (and an updated list from me).

I'm going to be out of pocket most of the day today, off to look at three houses as the great (and thus far, futile) search for a new home continues.

[Buccaneer]

Lots of nice memories here. Fwiw, I won't be voting for any teams that have Seinfeld, Letterman or Survivor entries. :D :D :D :D

[Maple Leafs]

OK, thanks to people sending in lists we can rattle off several picks in a row:

Raven's pick:
4.2 Performer, other - Kurt Cobain (MTV's Unplugged)

Schmidty's pick:
4.3 Show, other - 60 Minutes

My pick:
4.4 Show, drama - Roots

kcchief is on the clock

[Crapshoot]

Actually, 4.5 is mine - 4.7 is KCChief as per the deal. I'll come up with something soon.

[Crapshoot]

4.5 - Show - Drama - The Wonder Years

[Buccaneer]

4.5 - Show - Drama - The Wonder Years
We finally have a winner.

[Schmidty]

4.5 - Show - Drama - The Wonder Years

It's one of my favorite shows of all-time, but I figured I could get it a bit later. Oh well.

[Maple Leafs]

Intersting pick... seems like a bit of a reach to me, but I know there are fans of the show who will appreciate the choice.

Herd is up... he did not send a pick, so hopefully he'll be by.

[ThunderingHERD]

Dang, you guys need to slow down. I'll have a pick in one sec.

[ThunderingHERD]

<b>Moment, comedy - Ellen comes out (Ellen)</b>

[Schmidty]

<b>Moment, comedy - Ellen comes out (Ellen)</b>

*shudder*

Ellen creeps me out.

[Maple Leafs]

Jon's pick:

4.7 Moment, comedy - The brownie episode (Barney Miller)

kcchief is up.

[Crapshoot]

We finally have a winner.

Heh - I wouldn't have pegged you for a fan Bucc. One of my all time favorite shows, and I thought very much about taking Winnie's brother's death or the final episode as a moment.

[Schmidty]

Heh - I wouldn't have pegged you for a fan Bucc. One of my all time favorite shows, and I thought very much about taking Winnie's brother's death or the final episode as a moment.

As embarrased as I am to admit this, it was the only TV show to ever make me cry. Maybe it was because I was going through puberty when I first started watching it, and later could relate to the teen episode since by then, I was a teen too. That was just an amazing, amazing show.

[Buccaneer]

Heh - I wouldn't have pegged you for a fan Bucc. One of my all time favorite shows, and I thought very much about taking Winnie's brother's death or the final episode as a moment.
Just do a search. We have talked about this show regularly here, including recently (in the thread about why TV shows decline or something like that). My ravings about Wonder Years is one of those things, like being a grumpy old man, that I thought is well known.

[kcchief19]

Keeping with my eccentric rep:

Drama, show: Perry Mason

Raymond Burr was simply amazing, and there is not a single lawyer/police drama that does owe something to this show. Some of the dialogue was a bit of the era, but by and large the plots and stories of Perry Mason are timeless; it's as good today as it was 50 years ago. Law & Order and its siblings are nothing more than modern day Perry Masons -- although I'm still surprised no one has tried to revive the show. I suppose the TV movies in the late '80s and early '90s spoiled the franchise a bit, but Raymond Burr on a bad day was still better than a lot of other people.

[kcchief19]

We finally have a winner.You don't like Seinfeld or Letterman, but like the Wonder Years. I love ya Bucc, but sometimes I wonder what's wrong with you. http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/smile.gif

[Maple Leafs]

Radii sent his pick...

4.9 Show, comedy - South Park

[Schmidty]

Keeping with my eccentric rep:

Drama, show: Perry Mason

Raymond Burr was simply amazing, and there is not a single lawyer/police drama that does owe something to this show. Some of the dialogue was a bit of the era, but by and large the plots and stories of Perry Mason are timeless; it's as good today as it was 50 years ago. Law & Order and its siblings are nothing more than modern day Perry Masons -- although I'm still surprised no one has tried to revive the show. I suppose the TV movies in the late '80s and early '90s spoiled the franchise a bit, but Raymond Burr on a bad day was still better than a lot of other people.

How is Perry Mason eccentric???? :confused:

Are you trying to sell your self as "counter-culture"? If so a pick like PM isn't helping your cause. :) (Not that it's a bad pick)

[kcchief19]

How is Perry Mason eccentric???? :confused:

Are you trying to sell your self as "counter-culture"? If so a pick like PM isn't helping your cause. :) (Not that it's a bad pick)Maybe eclectic is a better word. I'm NOT going for a counter-culture image, I'm just drafting what I like and letting the chips fall where they may.

[Schmidty]

Maybe eclectic is a better word. I'm going for a counter-culture image, I'm just drafting what I like and letting the chips fall where they may.

That's cool, but I would hardly call "Perry Mason" counter-culture. Hell, my grandparents STILL love that show, and they aren't remotely counter-culture. I've never met anyone who didn't know who Pery Mason was. :)

[Radii]

Perry Mason is good and something I'd never have thought of. Barney Miller isn't something I watched much so I don't know how that one will go over. I really don't know how South Park will go over either, but its one of my favorite shows and basically carried Comedy Central/The Comedy Channel for awhile when they were getting away from all standup all the time, which hopefully counts for something :)

Besides the simple toilet humor, I love the way they can have a show about any issue, offend everyone involved but in the end make a very intelligent and very reasonable point about an issue.

[kcchief19]

That's cool, but I would hardly call "Perry Mason" counter-culture. Hell, my grandparents STILL love that show, and they aren't remotely counter-culture. I've never met anyone who didn't know who Pery Mason was. :)Ack. I accidentally left out the word "NOT" when saying I was not trying to be counter culture.

Then again, Perry Mason had a number of episodes with beatnik characters and other counter-culture issues long before they became mainstream. Interestingly, these characters were usually portrayed very positive, unlike say on another crime show I won't mention where counter-culture characters were often the criminals.

[Karlifornia]

Perry Mason is good and something I'd never have thought of. Barney Miller isn't something I watched much so I don't know how that one will go over. I really don't know how South Park will go over either, but its one of my favorite shows and basically carried Comedy Central/The Comedy Channel for awhile when they were getting away from all standup all the time, which hopefully counts for something :)

Besides the simple toilet humor, I love the way they can have a show about any issue, offend everyone involved but in the end make a very intelligent and very reasonable point about an issue.

South Park is the most intelligently executed cartoon ever. It's even more intelligent and cutting-edge than the Simpsons, and I'm a Simpsons apologist. What makes this funny is that I can rarely stop channel-surfing because of South Park. I'm not sure what idea I'm trying to convey here, but I guess it's that South Park is an awesome show with an awesome resume, but it doesn't quite have that emotional pull...

I'm probably dead wrong.

[WSUCougar]

4.10: Actor, comedy, Kelsey Grammer (Frasier)

5.1: Show, drama, The Sopranos

And if possible, I'd like to change my M*A*S*H pick to comedy rather than drama.

[Crapshoot]

4.10: Actor, comedy, Kelsey Grammer (Frasier)

5.1: Show, drama, The Sopranos

And if possible, I'd like to change my M*A*S*H pick to comedy rather than drama.

Nice set WS - I was going to go for the Sopranos at 2.5 or 4.5, but felt other things topped it - but a good pick. Ditto on Frasier, as my Cheers pick will attest. ;)

[Maple Leafs]

Radii sent his pick, and I think he's getting excellent value here:

5.2 Show, drama - Hill Street Blues

WSUCougar, sorry, no changing picks after they've been made. I think we'll see some teams realizing they've drafted themselves into corners early on and overcoming that will be part of the strategy.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Radii sent his pick, and I think he's getting excellent value here:

I agree (especially since he knocked me out of one of my "moments" with it).

[Radii]

I am extremely happy with my draft so far. I think everyone has done well but I've gotten pretty much everything I wanted to this point. I had thought of the Sopranos and that's a solid pick. I assume many voters will give Kelsey Grammer his due for Cheers and possibly the Simpsons as well, which makes that a very good pick too.

[Schmidty]

I am extremely happy with my draft so far. I think everyone has done well but I've gotten pretty much everything I wanted to this point.

I agree with you. I feel happy with mine as well; however, I have a feeling that the draft is going to get EXTREMELY tough within a round or so. Because of that, I'm going to pick my favorites, regardless of whether the voters will like it.

[Maple Leafs]

A reminder to everyone that now would be a good time to start paying attention to which spots you've already filled. Remember, you need three shows, performers and moments, as well as three each from comedy, drama and other. You also have one wildcard.

For example, Raven has already used four "other" picks, and other teams have three in a category.

[WSUCougar]

Nice one with Hill Street, Radii. If I didn't pick The Sopranos I would have gone with that classic cop show instead.

[kcchief19]

South Park is the most intelligently executed cartoon ever. It's even more intelligent and cutting-edge than the Simpsons, and I'm a Simpsons apologist. What makes this funny is that I can rarely stop channel-surfing because of South Park. I'm not sure what idea I'm trying to convey here, but I guess it's that South Park is an awesome show with an awesome resume, but it doesn't quite have that emotional pull...I couldn't disagree more. I think South Park is one of those shows or performances that are dramatically overrated merely because they break social taboos. I call this the "Andrew Dice Clay Effect." Andrew Dice Clay was not remotely funny, but people thought he was funny because he did nursery rhymes with the word "pussy" in them. Certain people laughed and though it was funny for the same reason second-graders laugh their ass off at words like "fart" -- because social norms tell them that word is off limits.

That said, I think there is a lot of cleverness to South Park. I think a lot of the show's satire is well done and is very valid. But I think any value South Park has in its social commentary is often obscured by sophomoric elements.

[Maple Leafs]

Right now I have picks from Raven and Jon (thanks guys). We'll be looking to move quickly and hopefully finish this up by mid-week, so if you won't be checking in often then please send at least a few picks along to help us keep moving. If you can't check the forum during the day and you won't send in picks, you will be replaced.

[Maple Leafs]

Bump... Crapshoot has been on the clock since yesterday afternoon.

[Crapshoot]

give me 5 min - sorry about that.

[WSUCougar]

give me 5 min - sorry about that.
Proposed Penalty: Actress, comedy, Roseanne Barr

[Crapshoot]

5.3 - Performer, Other - Walter Cronkite (CBS Evening News)

[sachmo71]

5.3 - Performer, Other - Walter Cronkite (CBS Evening News)


Nice

[Radii]

5.3 - Performer, Other - Walter Cronkite (CBS Evening News)

good pick, I had thought about taking Cronkite announcing Kennedy's death as a moment, but I wasn't sure it would count at first, then I wasn't sure it was on the actual news show instead of a breaking news type of thing as Maple Leafs ended up disallowing that kind of thing, so I just dropped it. Excellent pick.

[Maple Leafs]

Thanks to people sending in picks, we can go rapid fire now...

Jon - 5.4 Show, drama - Playhouse 90
HERD - 5.5 Performer, comedy - Andy Griffith (The Andy Griffith Show)
kcchief - 5.6 Moment, drama Love's Labor Lost episode (ER)
Leafs - 5.7 Show, comedy - Monty Python's Flying Circus

Schmidty is on the clock.

[WSUCougar]

Leafs - 5.7 Show, comedy - Monty Python's Flying Circus
Damn it! I thought I could sneak that one through later. :mad:

[Maple Leafs]

Damn it! I thought I could sneak that one through later.
I thought it was decent value... thought they'd be gone by now. Strongly considered taking a moment instead of the whole show but looking at future picks this seemed the best way to go.

[sachmo71]

I thought it was decent value... thought they'd be gone by now. Strongly considered taking a moment instead of the whole show but looking at future picks this seemed the best way to go.


Spam!

[oliegirl]

kcchief - 5.6 Moment, drama Love's Labor Lost episode (ER)

Man - that episode is heartbreaking! I watch ER reruns on TNT and that one was on last week...always makes me cry at the end when the dad is in the rocker with the baby and Greene tells him the news :(

There is another one, a woman goes into early labor and they can't stop it - baby is born super tiny, obviously won't make it but hangs in for a couple hours...end of the show they have a priest give the baby last rites and they are holding this teeny tiny baby in their arms...turns me into a crying heap every time I see it...

[Johnny93g]

Love that episode of er...so so sad, which is why it is so great.

What is playhouse 90, ive never heard of it?

[JonInMiddleGA]

What is playhouse 90, ive never heard of it?

Aired on CBS from 1956 to 1961, anthology format that included classic productions of The Miracle Worker, Rod Serling's Requiem For A Heavyweight, The Comedian, and Judgement At Nuremberg.

Four consecutive Best Drama Emmy's, and numerous other Emmy wins (including a clean sweep of 6-for-6 nominations in 1956, including Best Direction, Teleplay Writing, Single Program, New Series, Best Single Peformance, ). And all of it live 90 minute presentations.

It's essentially the standard against which all other anthology series are judged, and is a very significant part of the Golden Age of Television.

[wade moore]

Jon,

I think the average age of FOFC is going to hurt you on that pick.. I'm 26 and I had never heard of it either.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I think the average age of FOFC is going to hurt you on that pick.. I'm 26 and I had never heard of it either.

You may very well be right, but it's quite possibly THE highest quality television ever produced. EVER. It's the gold standard for TV drama, the Dick Butkus of it's position if you will. If it ends up being a "wrong" pick, it's a wrong pick I can definitely live with.

[Schmidty]

Drama, Show - The X-Files

[wade moore]

Ok, I need to start picking some drama and moments, so I'll go with a moment from one of my all-time favorite shows:

Drama, Moment - The X-Files - Mulder's speech (and intertwined visuals) at the end of "Redux II".

I couldn't remember the name of the episode, so I had to look all over the internet for it this morning.
Can you give more details as to what this is? I was a regular X-files watcher for awhile, but not a fanatic and this isn't ringing a bell...

[WSUCougar]

Good pick, but X-Files is another one of those shows that I think the body of work outweighs one particular moment in terms of value. My two bits, anyway.

[Schmidty]

Good pick, but X-Files is another one of those shows that I think the body of work outweighs one particular moment in terms of value. My two bits, anyway.

I agree, but I haven't picked a moment yet, so I figured this was a good time for that.

[Schmidty]

Is it ok to change my pick to Show instead of moment?

[WSUCougar]

Is it ok to change my pick to Show instead of moment?
Maple Leafs ruled against changes post-pick, but personally since another pick has not yet been made, I think it'd be alright to do this.

[Maple Leafs]

Changing picks is OK as long as nobody else has picked yet.

So you can do it now if you want.

[sachmo71]

Maple Leafs, are you picking for Raven?

[Schmidty]

Changing picks is OK as long as nobody else has picked yet.

So you can do it now if you want.

Ok, thanks

[Maple Leafs]

Raven takes:
5.9 Performer, comedy - Redd Foxx (Sanford and Son)

Sachmo is up... I have another pick for Raven, so Schmidty stick around it will be back to you shortly.

[Schmidty]

Can you give more details as to what this is? I was a regular X-files watcher for awhile, but not a fanatic and this isn't ringing a bell...
It's the episode in season 5 where CSM gets shot, Mulder finally confronts the syndicate (the speech part), and Scully's cancer miraculously goes into remission. It was an awesome episode. Very "epic" feeling.

[Butter]

The X-Files in its prime was the best television I have ever seen, period. Unfortunately, all good things must come to an end, and they got a little too cute with trying to keep the conspiracy going on too long.

[sachmo71]

5.10. Performer, Comedy. Jack Klugman, The Odd Couple

Klugman and Randall were greatness...ALMOST as good as the movie. Almost. but great for TV.

6.1. Moment, Other. "That would be in the ass, Bob." (The Newlywed Game)

It really happened.

[wade moore]

It's the episode in season 5 where CSM gets shot, Mulder finally confronts the syndicate (the speech part), and Scully's cancer miraculously goes into remission. It was an awesome episode. Very "epic" feeling.
Know exactly which one you're talking about now...

[Maple Leafs]

Hm... timeout.

I'd previously mentioned that I was counting "Late Night" as one show, and someone already took David Letterman. This is the sort of thing I was referring to in the rules when I mentioned shows having multiple hosts. I didn't want shows like The Tonight Show or even something like The Daily Show being used multiple times.

What do people think on this? Am I splitting hairs?

[Crapshoot]

To be honest, I stayed away from the Late Show and a couple of others for this reason - I figure we might as well be consistent.

[Schmidty]

The X-Files in its prime was the best television I have ever seen, period. Unfortunately, all good things must come to an end, and they got a little too cute with trying to keep the conspiracy going on too long.

I watched the show all the way to the end, but I agree that the conspiracy got ridiculous in the final 2-3 seasons. I think it was a case of Chris Carter painting himself into a corner story-wise, and having to resort to cheesy ways of "tying" things up.

[wade moore]

Hm... timeout.

I'd previously mentioned that I was counting "Late Night" as one show, and someone already took David Letterman. This is the sort of thing I was referring to in the rules when I mentioned shows having multiple hosts. I didn't want shows like The Tonight Show or even something like The Daily Show being used multiple times.

What do people think on this? Am I splitting hairs?
Errr... isn't Late Night and Late Show different? Are we sure which one someone was using for Letterman?

[sachmo71]

Hm... timeout.

I'd previously mentioned that I was counting "Late Night" as one show, and someone already took David Letterman. This is the sort of thing I was referring to in the rules when I mentioned shows having multiple hosts. I didn't want shows like The Tonight Show or even something like The Daily Show being used multiple times.

What do people think on this? Am I splitting hairs?


I'll change it if you want, if that's the rule. Not crazy about it, but I'll change it.

[Maple Leafs]

Errr... isn't Late Night and Late Show different? Are we sure which one someone was using for Letterman?
Late Night and Late Show would be different shows... but the pick has been listed as Late Night all along.

(As it should be... Letterman was much better on Late Night than Late Show.)

[Maple Leafs]

I'll change it if you want, if that's the rule. Not crazy about it, but I'll change it.
OK, please make a new pick.

[sachmo71]

Errr... isn't Late Night and Late Show different? Are we sure which one someone was using for Letterman?


He's saying Late Night with Conan and Late Night with David Letterman are the same show. If that's what he wants, I'll change it.

I was thinking the rule was more "Late Show with David Letterman" and "Late Night with David Letterman" as being the same, but if the Tonight Show was his inspiration, then Late Night is indeed the same show. Not very similar in style, but it's not a judgement call.

[sachmo71]

OK, please make a new pick.


Done. :(

[Raven]

Moment, Comedy - Married with Children. Al 's dream sequence reliving his 4 TD game from Polk High

Al running down the sideline, stiffarming and putitng up the Heisman pose at the end.

[Schmidty]

Here's a childhood favorite:

Moment, Other - The Muppet Show - Kermit sings "It's Not Easy Being Green".

There are so many awesome moments in that show, but I loved that song (and whenever Kermit sang), so there ya go.

[Maple Leafs]

Here's a childhood favorite:

Moment, Other - The Muppet Show - Kermit sings "It's Not Easy Being Green".

There are so many awesome moments in that show, but I loved that song (and whenever Kermit sang), so there ya go.
Did that happen once, or often? Did you have a specific one in mind. Please clarify if needed.

[Maple Leafs]

For my pick... DAMMIT, we are OUT OF TIME! What is your draft pick's name? TELL ME NOW!

6.4 Performer, drama - Keifer Sutherland, 24

[Radii]

wow, the muppet show is a great pick(anything from it), another one i'd never thought of. 24 was on my list, I like that too.

[Schmidty]

Did that happen once, or often? Did you have a specific one in mind. Please clarify if needed.

I can only find one instance where it was notated as having been sung, and that was in an episode with John Cleese. I would think that he sang it other times, but even if that were true, my moment is referring to the first time.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Dunno if this helps or hurts the Kermit pick but ...
http://www.muppetcentral.com/guides/episodes/tms/season1/12_ustinov.shtml
Says the song deubted on ep 1/12 -- Original Airdates: November 8, 1976 (New York) and November 13, 1976 (LA)
AND says it appears again in episode 43 that aired February 27, 1978 (New York) and February 24, 1978 (LA) The recording of "Bein' Green" is the exact same one as what had previously appeared in the Peter Ustinov episode. Though some musical numbers have been repeated on The Muppet Show (usually with different singers), this is the only time the actual audio recording would be repeated. (Not counting when entire skits would be repeated as was the case with some of the UK skits.)
http://www.muppetcentral.com/guides/episodes/tms/season2/43_sellers.shtml

[Schmidty]

Dunno if this helps or hurts the Kermit pick but ...
http://www.muppetcentral.com/guides/episodes/tms/season1/12_ustinov.shtml
Says the song deubted on ep 1/12 -- Original Airdates: November 8, 1976 (New York) and November 13, 1976 (LA)
AND says it appears again in episode 43 that aired February 27, 1978 (New York) and February 24, 1978 (LA) The recording of "Bein' Green" is the exact same one as what had previously appeared in the Peter Ustinov episode. Though some musical numbers have been repeated on The Muppet Show (usually with different singers), this is the only time the actual audio recording would be repeated. (Not counting when entire skits would be repeated as was the case with some of the UK skits.)
http://www.muppetcentral.com/guides/episodes/tms/season2/43_sellers.shtml

Cool, thanks Jon.

The only specific thing I found was from a Best Of DVD set, which said the song was on there with Peter Sellers, Clesse and someone else I can't remember. So yeah, your info is much better. :)

[Johnny93g]

Moment, Comedy - Married with Children. Al 's dream sequence reliving his 4 TD game from Polk High

Al running down the sideline, stiffarming and putitng up the Heisman pose at the end.

I cant actually remember this episode, i remember Al mentioning the 4 td's in one game thousands of time's, but this one moment escpapes me. I think you should have taken the whole show, or even Ed O'neal as Al Bundy, but im not sure of your pick situation.....Love that Married With Children made it in though

[Maple Leafs]

If I had to take a MWC episode, I would have gone with "It's a Bundyful Life", with Sam Kinison. Can't really think of any specific moments I would take over the show as a whole, although I could make a case for: "Did you miss me Al?" -- "With every bullet so far."

[sachmo71]

err?

[Schmidty]

kcchief is MIA. It's been like 24 hours. I wonder if ML will have someone else pick for him.

[kcchief19]

Ack. Long story. Sorry. Didn't plan to be away from a computer this long. I e-mailed my last pick. How was I supposed to know everybody was going to pull their head out of their ass on a Monday.

Other - performer - Carol Burnett - The Carol Burnett Show

[ThunderingHERD]

<b>Moment, drama - Sam leaps in to Lee Harvey Oswald (Quantum Leap)</b>

[wade moore]

Moment, drama - Sam leaps in to Lee Harvey Oswald (Quantum Leap)
Nice, but this is another show that seems to have quite a few 'moments' to me making a moments pick at least somewhat questionable...