FOFC Draft: The Four Sport Challenge - VOTE FOR THE WINNER [Archive]

View Full Version : FOFC Draft: The Four Sport Challenge - VOTE FOR THE WINNER

Schmidty

01-27-2006, 11:24 AM

The FOFC Draft: Four Sport Challenge is now finished. Now we need YOU, the people of FOFC, to decide the winner. Place a vote for the team that you feel is the best, most interesting, et cetera.

Each team contains the following:

Football - 2 players
Baseball - 2 players
Basketball - 2 players
Hockey - 2 players
Other Sports - 1 player
Wildcard - 1 player

The original thread can be found Here (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=46236&page=1&pp=50)

Here are the teams:

Raiders Army
Michael Jordan - Basketball
Joe Montana - Football
Nolan Ryan - Baseball
Pete Sampras - Other
Ronnie Lott - Football
Doug Harvey - Hockey
Jaromir Jagr - Hockey
Tom Seaver - Baseball
George "Meadowlark" Lemon - Basketball
John Wooden - Wildcard

ThunderingHERD
Wayne Gretzky - Hockey
Mario Lemieux - Hockey
Ted Williams - Baseball
Stan Musial - Baseball
Dick Butkus - Football
Sugar Ray Robinson - Other
George Mikan - Basketball
Charles Barkley - Basketball
O.J. Simpson - Football
Diego Maradona - Wildcard

General Mike
Babe Ruth - Baseball
Gordie Howe - Hockey
Magic Johnson - Basketball
Reggie White- Football
Rocky Marciano - Other
Honus Wagner - Baseball
Deacon Jones - Football
Hakeem Olajuwon - Basketball
Mike Bossy - Hockey
Mike Schmidt - Wildcard

TazFTW
Jim Brown - Football
Patrick Roy - Hockey
Joe Louis - Other
Roger Clemens - Baseball
Barry Bonds - Baseball
Shaquille O'neal - Basketball
Elgin Baylor - Basketball
Ray Bourque - Hockey
Deion Sanders - Football
Bob Gibson - Wildcard

Maple Leafs
Muhammad Ali - Other
Jackie Robinson - Baseball
Bill Russell - Basketball
Walter Payton - Football
Mickey Mantle - Baseball
Jean Beliveau - Hockey
Arnold Palmer - Wildcard
Don Hutson - Football
Eddie Shore - Hockey
Karl Malone - Basketball

Schmidty
Tiger Woods - Other
Ty Cobb - Baseball
Larry Bird - Basketball
Johnny Unitas - Football
Pete Rose - Baseball
Steve Yzerman - Hockey
Rogers Hornsby - Wildcard
John Elway - Football
"Pistol" Pete Maravich - Basketball
Brett Hull - Hockey

kcchief19
Jim Thorpe - Other
Lance Armstrong - Wildcard
Mark Messier - hockey
Lou Gehrig - Baseball
Julius Erving - Basketball
Terry Sawchuck - Hockey
Gayle Sayers - Football
Brett Favre - Football
Dominique Wilkins - Basketball
Roberto Clemente - Baseball

vexroid
Bo Jackson - Wildcard
Carl Lewis - Other
Oscar Robertson - Basketball
Joe DiMaggio - Baseball
Sammy Baugh - Football
Isiah Thomas - Basketball
Red Grange - Football
Brooks Robinson - Baseball
Guy Lafleur - Hockey
Phil Esposito - Hockey

Travis
Jesse Owen - Other
Jerry Rice - Football
Babe Didrikson Zaharias - Wildcard
Hank Aaron - Baseball
Jerry West - Basketball
Vladislav Tretiak - Hockey
Bob Cousy - Basketball
Walter Johnson - Baseball
Paul Coffey - Hockey
Warren Moon - Football

vtbub
Jack Nicklaus - Other
Willie Mays - Baseball
Emmitt Smith - Football
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar - Basketball
Maurice Richard- Hockey
Sandy Koufax - Baseball
Mike Singletary - Football
Walt Frazie r- Basketball
Ken Dryden - Hockey
Steffi Graf- Wildcard

DeToxRoxDVHStyle/RadioFriendlyUnitShifter
Bobby Orr - Hockey
Barry Sanders - Football
Lawerence Taylor - Football
Cal Ripken Jr. - Baseball
Kurt Angle - Wildcard
LeBron James - Basketball
Mark Spitz - Other
Rickey Henderson - Baseball
Jacques Plante - Hockey
George Gervin - Basketball

DaddyTorgo
Wilt Chamberlain - Basketball
Pele - Other
Eddy Merckx - Wildcard
Bobby Hull - Hockey
John Havlicek - Basketball
Cy Young - Baseball
Steve Young - Football
Dan Marino - Football
Marcel Dionne - Hockey
Josh "The Black Babe Ruth" Gibson - Baseball

MIJB#19

01-27-2006, 11:41 AM

Is this useful?

<table><tr><td>Team<td>Baseball<td>Basketball<td>Football<td>Hockey<td>Other/WC
<tr><td>DaddyTorgo<td>Cy Young<td>John Havlicek<td>Dan Marino<td>Bobby Hull<td>Pele
<tr><td>DaddyTorgo<td>Josh Gibson<td>Wilt Chamberlain<td>Steve Young<td>Marcel Dionne<td>Eddy Merckx
<tr><td>DeToxRox/RFUS<td>Cal Ripken Jr.<td>George Gervin<td>Barry Sanders<td>Bobby Orr<td>Mark Spitz
<tr><td>DeToxRox/RFUS<td>Rickey Henderson<td>LeBron James<td>Lawerence Taylor<td>Jacques Plante<td>Kurt Angle
<tr><td>General Mike<td>Babe Ruth<td>Hakeem Olajuwon<td>Deacon Jones<td>Gordie Howe<td>Rocky Marciano
<tr><td>General Mike<td>Honus Wagner<td>Magic Johnson<td>Reggie White<td>Mike Bossy<td>Mike Schmidt
<tr><td>kcchief19<td>Lou Gehrig<td>Dominique Wilkins<td>Brett Favre<td>Mark Messier<td>Jim Thorpe
<tr><td>kcchief19<td>Roberto Clemente<td>Julius Erving<td>Gayle Sayers<td>Terry Sawchuck<td>Lance Armstrong
<tr><td>Maple Leafs<td>Jackie Robinson<td>Bill Russell<td>Don Hutson<td>Eddie Shore<td>Muhammad Ali
<tr><td>Maple Leafs<td>Mickey Mantle<td>Karl Malone<td>Walter Payton<td>Jean Beliveau<td>Arnold Palmer
<tr><td>Raiders Army <td>Nolan Ryan<td>George Lemon<td>Joe Montana<td>Doug Harvey<td>Pete Sampras
<tr><td>Raiders Army <td>Tom Seaver<td>Michael Jordan<td>Ronnie Lott<td>Jaromir Jagr<td>John Wooden
<tr><td>Schmidty<td>Pete Rose<td>Larry Bird<td>John Elway<td>Brett Hull<td>Tiger Woods
<tr><td>Schmidty<td>Ty Cobb<td>Pistol Pete Maravich<td>Johnny Unitas<td>Steve Yzerman<td>Rogers Hornsby
<tr><td>TazFTW<td>Barry Bonds<td>Elgin Baylor<td>Deion Sanders<td>Patrick Roy<td>Joe Louis
<tr><td>TazFTW<td>Roger Clemens<td>Shaquille O'neal<td>Jim Brown<td>Ray Bourque<td>Bob Gibson
<tr><td>ThunderingHERD<td>Stan Musial<td>Charles Barkley<td>Dick Butkus<td>Mario Lemieux<td>Sugar Ray Robinson
<tr><td>ThunderingHERD<td>Ted Williams<td>George Mikan<td>O.J. Simpson<td>Wayne Gretzky<td>Diego Maradona
<tr><td>Travis<td>Hank Aaron<td>Bob Cousy<td>Jerry Rice<td>Paul Coffey<td>Jesse Owen
<tr><td>Travis<td>Walter Johnson<td>Jerry West<td>Warren Moon<td>Vladislav Tretiak<td>Babe Didrikson Zaharias
<tr><td>vexroid<td>Brooks Robinson<td>Isiah Thomas<td>Red Grange<td>Guy Lafleur<td>Carl Lewis
<tr><td>vexroid<td>Joe DiMaggio<td>Oscar Robertson<td>Sammy Baugh<td>Phil Esposito<td>Bo Jackson
<tr><td>vtbub<td>Sandy Koufax<td>Kareem Abdul-Jabbar<td>Emmitt Smith<td>Ken Dryden<td>Jack Nicklaus
<tr><td>vtbub<td>Willie Mays<td>Walt Frazier<td>Mike Singletary<td>Maurice Richard<td>Steffi Graf</table>

Schmidty

01-27-2006, 11:55 AM

Thanks, MIJB. I think that will help some people. I'm not good at doing charts and such. :)

GreenMonster

01-27-2006, 12:21 PM

I like vtbub..

Singletary in football is kinda a weak pick compared to the rest but overall a solid team with good wildcard and other picks..(Graff, Nicklaus)..

Butter

01-27-2006, 12:54 PM

I'm gonna go with ThunderingHERD on this one. I can't call into question any of those picks, and I especially think that George Mikan was an inspired pick, along with Diego Maradona in the late rounds.

ISiddiqui

01-27-2006, 01:02 PM

I'll go with HERD and General Mike a close 2nd. Strong throughout.

Abe Sargent

01-27-2006, 01:10 PM

I like DannyTorgo's Pele pick, I think that was inspired.

-Anxiety

SnDvls

01-27-2006, 01:24 PM

Is this useful?

Yes thanks!

path12

01-27-2006, 03:01 PM

Tough call, but overall I'll go with HERD. Just looks to be the most consistently strong to me.

Buccaneer

01-27-2006, 06:40 PM

HERD is weak in football, imo. Got to go with Schmidty - a very strong team.

General Mike

01-27-2006, 07:06 PM

Oh come off it. I have the 2 best baseball players of all time, and the 2 best defensive lineman of all time. My other picks are all solid. I win.

DaddyTorgo

01-27-2006, 07:11 PM

I have the 2 best wildcard athletes you could possibly wish for. Both the unquestioned best in their sports, the winningest pitcher of all time (from an era where pitchers pitched complete games back-to-back all the time), the greatest slugger of all time (arguably tied with Ruth for that honor...his HOF plaque says he hit "well over 800 HR's", highest BA in Negro League history), the most unstoppable offensive force in basketball history, two HOF QB's, one who holds a ton of passing records and the other with the career QB-rating record, a HOF winger who was the poster boy for an entire LEAGUE and was the offensive force of multiple decades.

and my 2nd bball and hockey players are no slouches either. One is a points-man galore (dionne) and the other was one of those who just wins. championship after championship (havlicek).

how can my team not get your vote?

st.cronin

01-27-2006, 07:12 PM

I voted for Schmidty, even though I think Yzerman is overrated.

AstroFan

01-27-2006, 07:19 PM

I would go with General Mike.

Babe Ruth is the best baseball player ever, Honus Wagner is arguably the 2nd best player, and unarguably by far the best shortstop ever.

Magic Johnson is the best PG ever.

Mike Schmidt is the best 3B ever.

Hakeem is one of the best Centers ever.

Rocky Marciano was undefeated.

Gordie Howe is a top 5 hockey player.

Deacon Jones and Reggie White are two of the best defensive linemen ever.

sabotai

01-27-2006, 07:22 PM

I vote Taz with General Mike and HERD coming in close runner up spots.

Buccaneer

01-27-2006, 07:33 PM

Just for fun since I followed the draft pretty closely, I assigned a score of 1-5 to each player drafter and then averaged the scores by owner. Here's what I got, giving my personal comparisons, biases, likes, dislikes, etc.

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 width=343 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD width="80%" height=15>Schmidty

</TD><TD width="20%" height=15>4.1

</TD></TR><TR><TD width="80%" height=15>DaddyTorgo

</TD><TD width="20%" height=15>3.8

</TD></TR><TR><TD width="80%" height=15>vtbub

</TD><TD width="20%" height=15>3.6

</TD></TR><TR><TD width="80%" height=15>TazFTW

</TD><TD width="20%" height=15>3.5

</TD></TR><TR><TD width="80%" height=15>Maple Leafs

</TD><TD width="20%" height=15>3.5

</TD></TR><TR><TD width="80%" height=15>ThunderingHERD

</TD><TD width="20%" height=15>3.4

</TD></TR><TR><TD width="80%" height=15>kcchief19

</TD><TD width="20%" height=15>3.4

</TD></TR><TR><TD width="80%" height=15>Travis

</TD><TD width="20%" height=15>3.4

</TD></TR><TR><TD width="80%" height=15>Raiders Army

</TD><TD width="20%" height=15>3.3

</TD></TR><TR><TD width="80%" height=15>General Mike

</TD><TD width="20%" height=15>3.3

</TD></TR><TR><TD width="80%" height=15>DeToxRoxDVHStyle/RadioFriendlyUnitShifter

</TD><TD width="20%" height=15>3

</TD></TR><TR><TD width="80%" height=15>vexroid

</TD><TD width="20%" height=15>2.9

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

ThunderingHERD

01-27-2006, 07:36 PM

Had to go with my own team on this one. The two greatest hockey players ever according to many. The greatest boxer "pound-for-pound" ever. In the 8th round I got the greatest basketball player of the first half of the century. With the 2nd to last overall pick, I got a guy that was won more than 50% of the vote in an official FIFA poll as the greatest soccer player of the century. And there goes Ted Williams, the greatest hitter that ever lived. I got Dick Butkus, the greatest linebacker ever. OJ Simpson, the greatest wife-and-a-waiter murderer ever.

If I couldn't pick myself, I'd probably have to go with General Mike, with honorable mention for Maple Leafs for having the strongest first half of the draft.

Buccaneer

01-27-2006, 07:41 PM

The two greatest hockey players ever according to many.
Are you sure or is it just those that think sports did not exist before 1980? Gretsky, absolutely, he got a 5. But I had GHowe, Orr, Richard, Sawchuck and Roy up there too.

ThunderingHERD

01-27-2006, 07:47 PM

Are you sure or is it just those that think sports did not exist before 1980?

I'm not about to speculate on the many's other opinions. :)

Buccaneer

01-27-2006, 07:49 PM

Plus Hull, of course. I had a typo that would put Torgo at 4.0, a close 2nd to Schmidty.

Buccaneer

01-27-2006, 07:51 PM

I'm not about to speculate on the many's other opinions. :)
Fwiw, I had you tied for 1st in the most number of '5'. :)

Travis

01-27-2006, 07:57 PM

Just for fun since I followed the draft pretty closely, I assigned a score of 1-5 to each player drafter and then averaged the scores by owner. Here's what I got, giving my personal comparisons, biases, likes, dislikes, etc.

<table border="0" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0" width="343"><tbody><tr><td height="15" width="80%">Schmidty

</td><td height="15" width="20%">4.1

</td></tr><tr><td height="15" width="80%">DaddyTorgo

</td><td height="15" width="20%">3.8

</td></tr><tr><td height="15" width="80%">vtbub

</td><td height="15" width="20%">3.6

</td></tr><tr><td height="15" width="80%">TazFTW

</td><td height="15" width="20%">3.5

</td></tr><tr><td height="15" width="80%">Maple Leafs

</td><td height="15" width="20%">3.5

</td></tr><tr><td height="15" width="80%">ThunderingHERD

</td><td height="15" width="20%">3.4

</td></tr><tr><td height="15" width="80%">kcchief19

</td><td height="15" width="20%">3.4

</td></tr><tr><td height="15" width="80%">Travis

</td><td height="15" width="20%">3.4

</td></tr><tr><td height="15" width="80%">Raiders Army

</td><td height="15" width="20%">3.3

</td></tr><tr><td height="15" width="80%">General Mike

</td><td height="15" width="20%">3.3

</td></tr><tr><td height="15" width="80%">DeToxRoxDVHStyle/RadioFriendlyUnitShifter

</td><td height="15" width="20%">3

</td></tr><tr><td height="15" width="80%">vexroid

</td><td height="15" width="20%">2.9

</td></tr></tbody></table>
Call me a sucker for punishment, but seeing as how I'm pretty much getting spanked in the poll, I'd be curious to see which picks (whether just for my team, or overall) that you felt were the strongest/weakest.

I think it would have been interesting to randomly pair off the teams and do the voting tourney style, could have created some interesting matchups (pure athletes vs groundbreakers/those who fought through adversity to achieve what they did/etc).

Buccaneer

01-27-2006, 08:08 PM

Call me a sucker for punishment, but seeing as how I'm pretty much getting spanked in the poll, I'd be curious to see which picks (whether just for my team, or overall) that you felt were the strongest/weakest.

I think it would have been interesting to randomly pair off the teams and do the voting tourney style, could have created some interesting matchups (pure athletes vs groundbreakers/those who fought through adversity to achieve what they did/etc).
As if my votes mean anything. But remember, this is in part a popularity contest and in my view, a ranking contest. While you had great picks in Rice, Aaron, West, Big Train and Babe, your hockey players suck compared to others. Owens is a good pick but not compared Babe and Carl Lewis, imo. Plus I didn't like the Moon pick. ;)

Buccaneer

01-27-2006, 08:10 PM

By the way, in my rankings, you scored in 3rd place (i.e., not spanked), along with most of the others. So that's pretty good. :)

Schmidty

01-27-2006, 08:24 PM

HERD is weak in football, imo. Got to go with Schmidty - a very strong team.

Thanks Buc. I was hoping somebody would notice. :)

DaddyTorgo

01-27-2006, 08:38 PM

Plus Hull, of course. I had a typo that would put Torgo at 4.0, a close 2nd to Schmidty.Thanks Bucc.

sachmo71

01-28-2006, 12:18 AM

some very strong teams, but I'm going with kcchief19. It was VERY close, though.

Almost went with the Detox team, but wrasslin' isn't a sport.

Travis

01-28-2006, 01:53 AM

As if my votes mean anything. But remember, this is in part a popularity contest and in my view, a ranking contest. While you had great picks in Rice, Aaron, West, Big Train and Babe, your hockey players suck compared to others. Owens is a good pick but not compared Babe and Carl Lewis, imo. Plus I didn't like the Moon pick. ;)Wow, I personally thought the hockey picks weren't that bad. Guy that is arguably one of the top 3-5 goalies of all time plus a top 5 defenseman of all time (if not in the top 2 or 3).

Moon, well, that's a homer pick seeing as how he started his career here, and the fact he helped pave the way for black QB's, figured that was a nice addition to his professional stats.

But I can definitely see where you're coming from. My strategy of offsetting athletes that overcame adversity with some outside the box picks (Tretiak, Babe, Moon) isn't paying off all that well so far.

DaddyTorgo

01-28-2006, 01:58 AM

Karlifornia

01-28-2006, 02:24 AM

what's up with some participants voting for themselves and others voting for other participants?? that's skewing the voting #'s a tiny bit. And making me wonder if I should vote for myself to offest that, or vote for someone else? I think we need a ruling on what's up with that...

Well, I voted for vtbub. I got involved a little late, but I tried my best to vote objectively, and I feel vtbub has the best team overall...

ThunderingHERD

01-28-2006, 03:21 AM

I will agree that I'm weak in name value at american:) football. I certainly mulled that over after making a self-interest pick (Musial, who I've always thought was underrated. Not that I consider the pick a stretch talent wise--only value wise) and then considering how football players would be, for obvious reasons, more appreciated on this forum than other athletes.

Looking at it objectively, the only thing I'd change about my draft would be my 4th round pick--either drafting an NFl player or, had i still chosen to finish out my baseball slots, drafting Mantle (even though I feel he's an inferior player, he's certainly a bigger name.)

Believe me, I came into this thread determined to vote for someone else's team--only I couldn't find any better.

oykib

01-28-2006, 04:47 AM

I'll have to mull it over for a while.

During the draft, I had General Mike clearly ahead. But DaddyTorgo's and ThunderingHerd's teams are good as well.

vtbub is almost as good. But I don't like Clyde and Emmitt Smith so much.

I think it's easiest to eliminate teams based on bad picks:

Raiders Army - Meadowlark Lemon (clever, but...) and Nolan Ryan

Maple Leafs - Jackie Robinson

Schmidty - Pete Rose, Pistol Pete

kcchief - Gayle Sayers, Roberto Clemente

vexroid - Bo Jackson, Brooks Robinson

DeTox - Kurt Angle?!!!, Cal Ripken, jr.

Can't say that I have a serious problem with any picks other than these. I got a rep for sniping during the draft thread. But I am surprised by how well the majority of the drafters did.

MIJB#19

01-28-2006, 07:27 AM

how can my team not get your vote?
Well, you did get my vote. :D

The Eddy Merckx and Pele picks were by far the best other/wild card picks. Granted, my knowledge of the big four sports is worse than my cycling and soccer knowledge, but given the names of Wilt Chamberlain, Steve Young and Bobby Hull, that secured it for me.

Vtbub scored a negative on my page for picking Steffi Graf. Granted, she dominated the women's tennis tour, but ever since Venus Williams declared she could beat a random male tennis player and got humiliated by a guy ranked about 250th, I had to penalize that selection for not going with a male tennis player like Roger Federer, Andre Agassi, John McEnroe or another sports great. (Maybe it sounds sexist, but I looked at this from a get-the-best-human-beings contest, not a get-the-best-compared-to-their-competition contest.)

Kcchief scored negatives on going with Lance Armstrong for similar reasons. Fine, Armstrong decided to introduce something new and be the best at that. I would even say he's the best ridr of the last decade. But that doesn't make you better than Merckx, Miguel Indurain, Bernard Hinault or Fausto Coppi.

Schmidty

01-29-2006, 12:00 PM

Quick bump to get this back on the top 2 pages.