113 points, am i the only one who sees a problem with this?

[saldana]

yes. 113 points is impressive, but what kind of a coach leaves that player in a game like this.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/basketball/more/02/01/prince.113/index.html?cnn=yes

when wilt went for 100, and kobe made 81, their teams needed those points...i think this is a disgrace to the coach and school she plays for. i dont blame girl.

[ISiddiqui]

Shut up, she's going to Rutgers :D

;)

[Lathum]

I agree, very poor sportsmanship.

[Eaglesfan27]

I'm a Rutger's fan and a fan of girl's basketball in NJ, but I agree this is disgraceful. I don't think Kobe's team needed his last 10 points or so, but this is a much more egregious offense. I agree with you that I don't blame the player.

[stevew]

There is no shot clock in HS girls basketball. The other teams coach should have just let the air out of the ball if he was embarassed by it.

[Groundhog]

Two-time WNBA MVP Lisa Leslie scored 101 points in a half for Morningside High School in Inglewood, Calif., against South Torrance in 1990. South Torrance refused to play the second half.


Man, youch.

[sovereignstar]

pics plz k thx

[Desmond]

http://www.3drose.com/images/upload/FP1043.jpg

She's Hawwwwt

[Joe]

if you don't like it, stop her from scoring and quit complaining like a bunch of fucking pussies

[Blade6119]

if you don't like it, stop her from scoring and quit complaining like a bunch of fucking pussies
My thoughts exactly...i think it was the texas tech football O-coordinator who put it best.."Its not my job to stop my offense, it their D-coordinators job...Dont blame me if they cant stop my offense, that just means im doing my job"

[IwasHere]

if you don't like it, stop her from scoring and quit complaining like a bunch of fucking pussies
Exactly, just go out their and put five between her eye. Go old school and clothesline her. There should of many ways for the opposing team to take her out of the game permanently.

[Cap Ologist]

yes. 113 points is impressive, but what kind of a coach leaves that player in a game like this.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/basketball/more/02/01/prince.113/index.html?cnn=yes

when wilt went for 100, and kobe made 81, their teams needed those points...i think this is a disgrace to the coach and school she plays for. i dont blame girl.

I'll grant you that the Laker's needed Kobe's points, but Wilt's 100 was dubious. The other team started stalling in the 2nd half and Wilt's team started fouling them so they could get the ball back just so he could score. His goal of 100 became the focus of the game instead of trying to win it.

[Ragone]

Girls Hs Basketball lends itself to bad scoring mismatches.. really think they need to put in some sort of mercy rule.. hell reading that article.. lisa leslie had 106 at halftime? wtf

[Subby]

This doesn't hold a candle to the lameness of the Nykesha Sales thing...

[Gary Gorski]

You can't compare this to what Kobe and Wilt did - Kobe and Wilt did it playing professional basketball. They play against other paid professionals who are among the best basketball players in the world. If there's a blowout or whatever everyone's a big boy (and well paid) so I'm sure they can handle it and if not then maybe they should find another profession.

This is high school sports - sports in which the vast majority of players on a team will never be good enough to play outside of high school. This was an embarassment to the coach, the school and the player. If she needed to score 113 for her team to win that's one thing but for the coach to allow her to stay in the game and win by 105 points or whatever..that's horrible.

I coach high school boys basketball and I feel guilty if my team gets up by 25 or 30 in a game and I absolutely use those opportunities to get in the kids who don't get to play that often. Obviously it was a pretty bad team they were playing and it would have been a perfect opportunity for that coach and player to make some of the other players on the team feel good about themselves by giving them an opportunity to play and score. I would rather see the last guy on my bench score two points than my best player score 100 any day of the week.

[Ksyrup]

Girls Hs Basketball lends itself to bad scoring mismatches.. really think they need to put in some sort of mercy rule.. hell reading that article.. lisa leslie had 106 at halftime? wtf
Lisa Leslie only had 101 in that game. She's not the kind of person who would have embarrassed the other team by putting up 106, that would have been over the top.

[Samdari]

if you don't like it, stop her from scoring and quit complaining like a bunch of fucking pussies

I wasn't in the game, so I had no chance to stop her. I still think I have a right to form an opinion that what that coach did was poor sportsmanship at best, disgraceful at worst.

That article did not contain quotes with anyone from the other team complaining. Or were your comments to "stop her from scoring and quit complaining like a bunch of fucking pussies" directed at people complaining in this thread - who were also commenting as observers of human behavior.

[saldana]

This doesn't hold a candle to the lameness of the Nykesha Sales thing...
i must admit i am not familiar with this....what did she do?

[saldana]

dola, or is this the girl that they brough in on the virtually broken ankle or leg a couple years ago to shoot free throws to set a scoring record?

[rkmsuf]

if you don't like it, stop her from scoring and quit complaining like a bunch of fucking pussies

Pro sports I agree wholeheartedly. High school sports I couldn't disagree more.

[JeeberD]

dola, or is this the girl that they brough in on the virtually broken ankle or leg a couple years ago to shoot free throws to set a scoring record?

She shredded her ACL when she was one point away from the UConn career scoring record, so the next game the UConn coach arranged it with the other coach so that UConn would win the opening tip and then pass it to Sales, who was standing alone under the basket, so that she could make an easy layup and break the record...

[albionmoonlight]

if you don't like it, stop her from scoring and quit complaining like a bunch of fucking pussies
Not to add on to what every rational person in this thread has already pointed out . . . but what is up with your anger problem, dude?

[BrianD]

I would rather see the last guy on my bench score two points than my best player score 100 any day of the week.

This is the kind of sportsmanship we should be seeing in high school sports.

[Ryche]

There's no excuse for running up the score like that in high school sports. A few hard fouls would not have been unjustified. Preferably on the coach.

[BrianD]

There's no excuse for running up the score like that in high school sports. A few hard fouls would not have been unjustified. Preferably on the coach.

I was thinking the same thing, but it is hard to advocate an act of bad sportmanship to protest bad sportsmanship.

Personally, I would have liked to see all of the players on the losing team either sit down on our court to show their disgust at the play, or just quintuple-team their player. I'd like to see her get a pass with 5 players running around her.

[rkmsuf]

Chuck Norris should go get that coach.

[saldana]

You can't compare this to what Kobe and Wilt did - Kobe and Wilt did it playing professional basketball. They play against other paid professionals who are among the best basketball players in the world. If there's a blowout or whatever everyone's a big boy (and well paid) so I'm sure they can handle it and if not then maybe they should find another profession.

This is high school sports - sports in which the vast majority of players on a team will never be good enough to play outside of high school. This was an embarassment to the coach, the school and the player. If she needed to score 113 for her team to win that's one thing but for the coach to allow her to stay in the game and win by 105 points or whatever..that's horrible.

I coach high school boys basketball and I feel guilty if my team gets up by 25 or 30 in a game and I absolutely use those opportunities to get in the kids who don't get to play that often. Obviously it was a pretty bad team they were playing and it would have been a perfect opportunity for that coach and player to make some of the other players on the team feel good about themselves by giving them an opportunity to play and score. I would rather see the last guy on my bench score two points than my best player score 100 any day of the week.

you can coach my kids team anytime.

[wishbone]

"Originally Posted by George W Bush
if you don't like it, stop her from scoring and quit complaining like a bunch of fucking pussies"
Not to add on to what every rational person in this thread has already pointed out . . . but what is up with your anger problem, dude?

He's had a rough week with the State of the union and everything, give him a break
:D

[Wolfpack]

Chuck Norris should go get that coach.

Chuck Norris can score everywhere on the floor all at the same time and put up 100 points in a second, the last coming on a roundhouse kick of the ball from 94 feet, nothing but net.

[Huckleberry]

http://members.aol.com/jeff570/heater.html

[PackerFanatic]

Chuck Norris can score everywhere on the floor all at the same time and put up 100 points in a second, the last coming on a roundhouse kick of the ball from 94 feet, nothing but net.

Quoted for truth.

[Oilers9911]

if you don't like it, stop her from scoring and quit complaining like a bunch of fucking pussiesThese are high school kids most of whom are playing for fun, for the enjoyment of the game and don't deserve to be embarrassed like this. Thank God you don't coach kids in any type of sport. OR, God help us if you do.

[stevew]

She shredded her ACL when she was one point away from the UConn career scoring record, so the next game the UConn coach arranged it with the other coach so that UConn would win the opening tip and then pass it to Sales, who was standing alone under the basket, so that she could make an easy layup and break the record...

Yeah, i remember that. That was totally stupid.

[SFL Cat]

While I do believe records were made to be broken, I'd have to agree that it was kind of classless to run-it-up against a clearly outmanned team.

[rkmsuf]

While I do believe records were made to be broken, I'd have to agree that it was kind of classless to run-it-up against a clearly outmanned team.


technically they were outwomened

[SFL Cat]

;)

[KevinNU7]

"It's an amazing thing when an individual does that," said Cavaliers star LeBron James, who was told about Prince's performance Wednesday night after Cleveland beat New Jersey. "I don't know who she is, but maybe we'll see her in the WNBA. For that matter, the NBA." :rolleyes:

[rkmsuf]

:rolleyes:


Lebron is a Mimbo.

[Drake]

http://members.aol.com/jeff570/heater.html

Good article (if a little overwrought at times -- a sportswriter trying too hard to be literary). Thanks for posting the link, Huckleberry.

[sabotai]

She shredded her ACL when she was one point away from the UConn career scoring record, so the next game the UConn coach arranged it with the other coach so that UConn would win the opening tip and then pass it to Sales, who was standing alone under the basket, so that she could make an easy layup and break the record...It would have been funny if she stumbled when she got the ball and they called her for traveling. :D

Alas, another missed UIC moment in real life...

[molson]

I never understood this kind of thing - do high school kids (or even younger kids) really fell embarassed and sad when they lose by 50 instead of 20 because the other team kept trying? I never felt like that. If you're running a race, and you're losing badly, does it make you feel better if the leader slows down so you don't lose by as much? Wouldn't that be even more embarassing?

[Zippo]

I never understood this kind of thing - do high school kids (or even younger kids) really fell embarassed and sad when they lose by 50 instead of 20 because the other team kept trying? I never felt like that. If you're running a race, and you're losing badly, does it make you feel better if the leader slows down so you don't lose by as much? Wouldn't that be even more embarassing?
I agree with that myself. I think the embarassment is more so on the spectators, the school, the fans, the parents and whatnot, rather than the athletes themselves. Like molson mentioned, I personally think it doesn't matter either way, losing by 20 or 50; both are equally embarassing to the athletes, especially when the other team isn't even trying.

[BrianD]

I never understood this kind of thing - do high school kids (or even younger kids) really fell embarassed and sad when they lose by 50 instead of 20 because the other team kept trying? I never felt like that. If you're running a race, and you're losing badly, does it make you feel better if the leader slows down so you don't lose by as much? Wouldn't that be even more embarassing?

Yes they do. That is why you see things like hard fouls and cheap-shots/fights toward the end of blow-out games. People can accept being beat, but nobody likes to be shown up or mocked while they are being beat. Once the outcome is decided, the winning team should stop pressing, stop running the break and shift to a half-court offense. Even better would be to pull all of the starters and give the bench players some playing time.

[Joe]

lol

[Vince]

http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news;_ylt=AtsR0DWQLfNY3EjSYQHcb945nYcB?slug=ap-113-pointgame&prov=ap&type=lgns


"It's nothing against Epiphanny," Springer told the newspaper. "I have great admiration for her. This was an adult decision. Why would you do this against a team like ours?"

Springer said her team, which has won only four league games this season, stopped playing defense in the second half.

"She didn't earn this," Springer told the Post. "It was like picking on a handicapped person."

While I agree wholeheartedly that the girl should never have been in the game to score that many points, isn't this response by the other coach rather childish?

[Joe]

maybe if they didn't stop playing defense in the second half they could've held her under 100. what are you suppossed to do when a team stops playing? dribble around in circles?

[Poli]

When I'm getting spanked in a game and my opponent attempts to run the score up, regardless of game or sport, I go into protect mode.

I'll skate with puck back and forth and in circles. I'll run the football and the clock over and over. I'll waste as much time as I can and foul every one of my players out in basketball.

My goal is no longer to win. It's to keep you from winning by as much as you want.

[Solecismic]

Some day, her parents will have another Epiphany and realize that it may not have been such a great idea not to consult a dictionary before naming their child.

On the score thing, as a player I always felt it stunk to have a clearly superior team run up the score. I remember a team trying to put 100 on us in college intramurals - which is pretty damned difficult with a 30-minute running clock. They happened to be the JV basketball team for our college (I transfered to Michigan from a Division III school) - what they were doing playing intramurals was mystifying.

One of my teammates got pissed off when we were down, 98 to about 20, and decided to contest this guy's dunk - not that he could have even touched the rim himself. Long story short, this 6-foot-8 JVer had his college career ended on the play. It was a pretty ugly scene. They did get their 100 right in the end, though, so I guess they won. It didn't feel good seeing him around campus the rest of the year in a soft cast, but at the time it happened I remember thinking, briefly, that he deserved it.

Any coach who uses a mismatch like that to pad the stat sheet should be removed immediately.

[TroyF]

I never understood this kind of thing - do high school kids (or even younger kids) really fell embarassed and sad when they lose by 50 instead of 20 because the other team kept trying? I never felt like that. If you're running a race, and you're losing badly, does it make you feel better if the leader slows down so you don't lose by as much? Wouldn't that be even more embarassing?

No. You can accept defeat. And you can accept someone being better than you. That's what happens sometimes, you get your ass kicked.

But when a team is intentionally trying to run up the score, trying to pad a players stats, trying to set records. . . it's a ridiculously pathetic form of sportsmanship. As an athlete, you get it. You aren't as good as they are. You can't stop em and they are better.

And you also know when the score gets to 30+, you aren't coming back. And at that point, the other team should have the brains to call off the dogs. What the coach did was disgraceful.

[Vince]

On the score thing, as a player I always felt it stunk to have a clearly superior team run up the score. I remember a team trying to put 100 on us in college intramurals - which is pretty damned difficult with a 30-minute running clock. They happened to be the JV basketball team for our college (I transfered to Michigan from a Division III school) - what they were doing playing intramurals was mystifying.

One of my teammates got pissed off when we were down, 98 to about 20, and decided to contest this guy's dunk - not that he could have even touched the rim himself. Long story short, this 6-foot-8 JVer had his college career ended on the play. It was a pretty ugly scene. They did get their 100 right in the end, though, so I guess they won. It didn't feel good seeing him around campus the rest of the year in a soft cast, but at the time it happened I remember thinking, briefly, that he deserved it.

Any coach who uses a mismatch like that to pad the stat sheet should be removed immediately.
In my final intramural game ever of my intramural career (7 years, I made it last :)), we were obviously the better squad. At half, it was 48-30. Some of the newer guys on my team wanted to run the score up to 100, and kept playing hard. I stopped playing offense, and simply played defense. It really pissed off the other team, and I was quite disappointed that the guys on my team would do such a thing. But since I had been around the college a while, most of my good friends had left, and we had to pick up some new guys to field a team.

A shot at the buzzer gave us a 101-52 win. I still wish we would have missed that shot.

[Young Drachma]

Shut up, she's going to Rutgers :D

;)


I was thinking this at first, too.

Honestly, I know people will hooha all they want about sportsmanship and yadda yadda. But it's happened before, it wasn't unprecedented and well..I dunno.

Here's a story that's not similar, but sorta is.

Back in '98, I worked at a summer camp. I ended up coaching one of the intramural basketball teams, comprised of kids ages 7-9. On paper, my team wasn't that good. Yet, for some odd reason, because these kids played like a team - and seriously, I've never seen any sort of sportsmanship like that anywhere since then - they would routinely blow out their opponents.

After a 74-14 drubbing in our first regular season game, I got in trouble with the folks in charge. Now, the real problem they had was the kids didn't want to play anymore. My worst players were scoring, so it wasn't even that we were running up the score. But, the real issue was the other counselor in charge of the other team wasn't interested in his kids, the game and didn't take it seriously.

I tend to give these kids the impression that I'm watching pro sports when I coach in youth leagues and thus, they tend to play better for me.

But I didn't get the argument that "oh, you should've stopped your kids from scoring," because I think that life is a place where sometimes, you're gonna get dumped on. And maybe that's not "fair", but if those girls had any pride, they should've done whatever they could've to not put that girl out there to put up 100 points, even if it meant putting all five girls on her.

Their coach should be reprimanded for subjecting them to just rolling over, rather than teaching them a lesson about being able to deal with adversity.

Because guess what, no one in life is gonna give them a free pass under the guise of "sportsmanship." if they don't get into a college or don't score high enough on a test. They've got to fight, to work hard and to endure..even when it's dire and they're feeling embarrassed.

Does the 113 make that one girl a better player? No, not really. But to chide her for doing what she had the opportunity to do, it seems silly to me. Just like when LeBron was scoring and doing all those great things, maybe it'll bring out one more scout to check out those kids on her team and maybe someone gets a scholarship out of it. I know at least 3 of the kids on LeBron James' high school team - who weren't projected as D-1 prospects at first - got scholarships because of the increased exposure the school got.

So it's not always bad. This is obviously a way different situation, but...I don't know that it's as clear as some are making it out to be.

[saldana]

Dark Cloud, i think if you look back through the thread, starting at my post #1, no one is blaming the girl for anything. the general consensus is that her coach should be flogged, but no one is calling out the player for anything.

[BrianD]

Because guess what, no one in life is gonna give them a free pass under the guise of "sportsmanship." if they don't get into a college or don't score high enough on a test. They've got to fight, to work hard and to endure..even when it's dire and they're feeling embarrassed.


This is true, but if colleges don't accept a student, they also don't send someone over to wave the rejection letter in the studends face for 20 minutes. When someone doesn't score high on a test, the teacher doesn't do a little dance to show the student how dumb he/she is.

People lose at things, and most people can accept losing. If some is looking to crush the spirit of someone else, they shouldn't be surprised by the punch they receive in the face. They also shouldn't be surprised when nobody cares about that punch since everyone believes they deserve it.

[BrianD]

Dark Cloud, i think if you look back through the thread, starting at my post #1, no one is blaming the girl for anything. the general consensus is that her coach should be flogged, but no one is calling out the player for anything.

I think it is probably right that nobody is blaming the girl for anything. She maybe should know a little something about sportsmanship, but it is easy for a young player to not understand. The coach should be teaching her better.

I remember being in 8th grade playing pop-warner (or whatever people call pre-high school football). I was one of the more dominant players in the league (I peaked in 8th grade), and enjoyed being one of the best on the field. Before one particular game the coach pulled me aside and told me that he was going to move me from LB to Safety for the game and that I wasn't allowed to make a tackle unless the ball-carrier got through everyone else on the team.

I didn't really understand what was going on at the time, but during the course of the game I came to realize that even without my being very involved in the game, our team easily won. Everybody on the other team knew that I was being held back, but they enjoyed the competition anyway. The team knew before the game that they weren't going to win, but we gave them the chance to play and have enough success that they could work on a few things and actually work on improving themselves.

At my age, I wouldn't have thought about doing what our coach did, but I have always admired him for that move.

[AgustusM]

I would rather see the last guy on my bench score two points than my best player score 100 any day of the week.

amen to that

[Young Drachma]

I think it is probably right that nobody is blaming the girl for anything. She maybe should know a little something about sportsmanship, but it is easy for a young player to not understand. The coach should be teaching her better.

I remember being in 8th grade playing pop-warner (or whatever people call pre-high school football). I was one of the more dominant players in the league (I peaked in 8th grade), and enjoyed being one of the best on the field. Before one particular game the coach pulled me aside and told me that he was going to move me from LB to Safety for the game and that I wasn't allowed to make a tackle unless the ball-carrier got through everyone else on the team.

I didn't really understand what was going on at the time, but during the course of the game I came to realize that even without my being very involved in the game, our team easily won. Everybody on the other team knew that I was being held back, but they enjoyed the competition anyway. The team knew before the game that they weren't going to win, but we gave them the chance to play and have enough success that they could work on a few things and actually work on improving themselves.

At my age, I wouldn't have thought about doing what our coach did, but I have always admired him for that move.


I gotcha. This makes sense.