What the heck is "Windows Vista"? [Archive] - Front Office Football Central

jeff061

02-09-2006, 12:37 PM

MS's next iteration of Windows for the desktop. There are rumours that they are going to push it pretty heavily as being a great gaming platform, which would be the reason for a Halo2 Vista exclusive release.

VPI97

02-09-2006, 12:37 PM

It's the next Windows OS that was formerly known as Longhorn.

Edit - beaten x 4

MizzouRah

02-09-2006, 12:38 PM

and it's finally going to have a new version of IE, yeay!!

moriarty

02-09-2006, 12:40 PM

Oh, and there's a whole new SDK to replace Win32 which Halo2 might be taking advantage of.

dawgfan

02-09-2006, 12:42 PM

As long as a year and a half ago (or more) MS was pushing a new development initiative that was intended to bridge the gap between Windows game development and Xbox game development. I believe the intent was to design the Xbox360 environment and the (at that time) Longhorn game environment to share as much as possible in terms of API's (and thus tools for game development). I'm blanking on the name that was coined to describe this initiative, but this announcement looks like the most visible result of that push.

Ryan S

02-09-2006, 01:00 PM

and it's finally going to have a new version of IE, yeay!!
You can get it already (if you can live with a beta version).

I have been using it for a while now, and I could not go back to IE6.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/ie7/default.mspx

Coder

02-09-2006, 01:04 PM

It's the new NextGen PAG factory ordering system..

Eaglesfan27

02-09-2006, 01:20 PM

It's also going to have DirectX 10. If it appears reasonably stable, I look forward to upgrading when it comes out.

MizzouRah

02-09-2006, 01:31 PM

You can get it already (if you can live with a beta version).

I have been using it for a while now, and I could not go back to IE6.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/ie7/default.mspx
Yeah, we have a beta of Vista, but I haven't had much time to play around with it.

ISiddiqui

02-09-2006, 02:26 PM

It's also going to have DirectX 10. If it appears reasonably stable, I look forward to upgrading when it comes out.
It's a new Windows OS. You're best bet is to wait a few months until the show stoppers are ironed out.

jbmagic

02-09-2006, 02:30 PM

are we going to need new hardware for it?

sterlingice

02-09-2006, 02:31 PM

and it's finally going to have a new version of IE, yeay!!Yeah, I'm sure Firefox gaining ground on it in the last year had nothing to do with it :rolleyes:

I love all the defenders of Microsoft who said this would never happen 10 years ago ("no, we're not leveraging out OS monopoly to get a foothold on browsers", "they're a good monopoly"). You know, the part of history where Microsoft stole a ton of Netscape's ideas (not that they all were originally Netscape's either), updated pretty regularly until they were run out of business, and then just sat back and didn't update it at all, letting it grow old and full of security holes. And now, that someone (the open source community) has finally cracked the high entry barriers into making a new browser, Microsoft *amazingly* spurs into action once again.

SI

Bee

02-09-2006, 02:32 PM

are we going to need new hardware for it?

Yes, you'll need a HDTV and an XBOX 360 to allow it to run. All networked with the computer of course.

John Galt

02-09-2006, 02:34 PM

Yes, you'll need a HDTV and an XBOX 360 to allow it to run. All networked with the computer of course.

I thought for sure we would all need the Maximum Computer.

cartman

02-09-2006, 02:34 PM

are we going to need new hardware for it?

Not too sure about Vista, but MS has already announced that all new server software releases are going to be 64 bit only.

Bee

02-09-2006, 02:35 PM

I thought for sure we would all need the Maximum Computer.

I think they're still working on the box artwork before they can release that computer (although I'm sure it'll be flexible enough to run Vista).

John Galt

02-09-2006, 02:37 PM

I think they're still working on the box artwork before they can release that computer (although I'm sure it'll be flexible enough to run Vista).

I think you heard wrong. From what people are saying, the Maximum Computer developers went to Microsoft to see if they would add their puny little operating system onto the Maximum Computer. Microsoft apparently wanted to keep the name "Windows - Maximum Computer," so it didn't work out.

Eaglesfan27

02-09-2006, 02:38 PM

It's a new Windows OS. You're best bet is to wait a few months until the show stoppers are ironed out.
I know what it is. I also agree that I'm going to wait for a few months until I'm sure it is reasonably stable.

Eaglesfan27

02-09-2006, 02:41 PM

are we going to need new hardware for it?
Reading an article the other day, it mentioned that a newer video card (even newer than the brand new one I just bought less than a year ago when it was top of the line) would be necessary to take optimal advantage of all of the newest features, however, it would run with "older" cards as well. However, from the articles I've read, the system requirements will be fairly steep.

ISiddiqui

02-09-2006, 02:53 PM

Yeah, I'm sure Firefox gaining ground on it in the last year had nothing to do with it :rolleyes:

I love all the defenders of Microsoft who said this would never happen 10 years ago ("no, we're not leveraging out OS monopoly to get a foothold on browsers", "they're a good monopoly"). You know, the part of history where Microsoft stole a ton of Netscape's ideas (not that they all were originally Netscape's either), updated pretty regularly until they were run out of business, and then just sat back and didn't update it at all, letting it grow old and full of security holes. And now, that someone (the open source community) has finally cracked the high entry barriers into making a new browser, Microsoft *amazingly* spurs into action once again.

SI
To be fair, Netscape was dead and gone for many years before MS stopped updates to IE6 and announced the next IE would come with Vista. To say Microsoft just suddenly spurred into action is only true of the IE7 coming out this year instead of with Vista. When they stopped updating IE6, they made it abundantly clear that the new IE would come out with the new OS.

jeff061

02-09-2006, 03:05 PM

Yeah, I'm sure Firefox gaining ground on it in the last year had nothing to do with itNot really. Firfox probably gave it tabs. But I believe MS ran into copyright issues with the way they implemented some of their plugins and had no choice but to re-write IE from the ground up in order to get rid of the offending code.

SirFozzie

02-09-2006, 03:22 PM

Not going to go with Vista becuase of this Trusted COmputing bullshit they want to foist off with Vista.

MizzouRah

02-09-2006, 03:23 PM

Yeah, I'm sure Firefox gaining ground on it in the last year had nothing to do with it :rolleyes:

I love all the defenders of Microsoft who said this would never happen 10 years ago ("no, we're not leveraging out OS monopoly to get a foothold on browsers", "they're a good monopoly"). You know, the part of history where Microsoft stole a ton of Netscape's ideas (not that they all were originally Netscape's either), updated pretty regularly until they were run out of business, and then just sat back and didn't update it at all, letting it grow old and full of security holes. And now, that someone (the open source community) has finally cracked the high entry barriers into making a new browser, Microsoft *amazingly* spurs into action once again.

SI
I could care less about Firefox, really. I work with what every company I support uses and that's fine by me. Microsoft is a target no doubt and I'm glad IE is finally getting better security.

jeff061

02-09-2006, 03:34 PM

IE will never be secure because MS will always be targeted. "Improving security" is really all about "Improving PR" and maybe their response time.

dawgfan

02-09-2006, 04:03 PM

IE will never be secure because MS will always be targeted.
True - MS will be a prime target so long as they are a virtual monopoly and so long as there are those that consider it the "evil empire".

"Improving security" is really all about "Improving PR" and maybe their response time.
Yes and no - PR is undoubtedly a major impetus for the security push, but I think there is also a genuine being made to improve sloppy code. MS will probably always be a target, and it's unlikely that their products will ever be completely invulnerable, but I think there's a genuine desire to make it a lot harder for those targeting MS software to do so.

dawgfan

02-09-2006, 04:03 PM

Not going to go with Vista becuase of this Trusted COmputing bullshit they want to foist off with Vista.
Out of curiousity, what part of this initiative bothers you?

jeff061

02-09-2006, 04:06 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism

SirFozzie

02-09-2006, 04:09 PM

What doesn't?

You have to pay Microsoft to allow Vista to run your drivers (Talking 50K)
Assuming everything is pirated unless someone else says so (a nightmare for privacy advocates..)
Falling out of the loop out of the OMG YOU MUST UPGRADE culture Microsoft supports (did you see the story that Microsoft deliberately didn't settle with a group that had a valid patent lawsuit against a feature in Word 2000, (leaving Office users open to lawsuits) because they figured it was a good way to get all those folks who had bought prior versions of Office but not bought the latest and greatest to get back on the upgrade train.

Airhog

02-09-2006, 04:24 PM

Everything about TC sounds bad to me.

DaddyTorgo

02-09-2006, 04:30 PM

TC makes me die inside. i think it'll make me switch to linux if it gets to that point

jbmagic

02-09-2006, 04:35 PM

have you guys ever consider or ever think about moving to the mac?

DaddyTorgo

02-09-2006, 04:39 PM

macs are ridiculously overpriced. the day i can build my own mac maybe

Pumpy Tudors

02-09-2006, 05:23 PM

have you guys ever consider or ever think about moving to the mac?I did. For about 16 seconds. Then I decided not to. Sorry.

dawgfan

02-09-2006, 05:34 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism
Good points.

MJ4H

02-09-2006, 05:54 PM

only way i'll mac is if i can dual boot (which seems possile down the road). might have to move to linux again soon.

GrantDawg

02-09-2006, 06:13 PM

I think the computer chip the bad men put in my head has TC technology in it.

ISiddiqui

02-09-2006, 06:25 PM

TC makes me die inside. i think it'll make me switch to linux if it gets to that pointIf you read the bottom of the wiki article, it says that:

The Linux kernel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel) has trusted computing support since version 2.6.13 and there are several projects to implement trusted computing for Linux. In January 2005, members of Gentoo Linux (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentoo_Linux)'s "crypto herd" announced [2] (http://lwn.net/Articles/121386/) their intention of providing support for TC - in particular support for the Trusted Platform Module (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Platform_Module).

Surtt

02-09-2006, 06:34 PM

I think the computer chip the bad men put in my head has TC technology in it.

No it doesn't and he isn't a bad man, he is your friend.

Buccaneer

02-09-2006, 07:16 PM

Thanks, VPI, I knew about Longhorn but had not realized they made the name change.

DaddyTorgo

02-09-2006, 08:03 PM

If you read the bottom of the wiki article, it says that:

The Linux kernel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel) has trusted computing support since version 2.6.13 and there are several projects to implement trusted computing for Linux. In January 2005, members of Gentoo Linux (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentoo_Linux)'s "crypto herd" announced [2] (http://lwn.net/Articles/121386/) their intention of providing support for TC - in particular support for the Trusted Platform Module (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Platform_Module).right. support being the key word. they SUPPORT trusted computing, they're not going to FORCE it on consumers like Microsoft with Vista.

Desnudo

02-09-2006, 10:26 PM

An oldie but goodie for the doomsayers.

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/29023/print/

ISiddiqui

02-09-2006, 10:47 PM

right. support being the key word. they SUPPORT trusted computing, they're not going to FORCE it on consumers like Microsoft with Vista.Scroll down the wiki article:

It is likely that Windows Vista (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Vista) will have some form of trusted computing support, and enable the use of a Trusted Platform Module (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Platform_Module) as a cryptographic provider if it is present in a system.*gasp* Support is there too!!!

You do realize that support for Trusted Computing means that they are allowing software makers to use TC for Linux? You realize that the biggest concerns is the lack of ability to alter programs... which software companies can use TC, for which Linux is adding support, to ensure that.

You did read the part where they said there are several projects to impliment TC for Linux, right?

DaddyTorgo

02-10-2006, 02:17 PM

maybe i'm just hoping that the open-source community that is linux will make TC "optional" whereas MS will make it "mandatory" (or so it seems). if linux is indeed going to make it mandatory too, then F-them.

ISiddiqui

02-10-2006, 02:48 PM

I think you don't understand who uses TC. Both are adding SUPPORT for TC, and the games/software you use will be implimenting it. There is no 'optional' v. 'manditory' here. TC, at its core, is using the same standards (as it says on the TCG website), which OS makers have the most control over, and I think no one really has problems with that. The part with the 'software locking' (so to speak) is something software companies are responsible for, and any OS with support for TC is going to be susceptible.

Though, for the record, I don't think the "worst case scenario" for TC will be even close to coming true.

DaddyTorgo

02-10-2006, 02:52 PM

ISiddiqui

02-10-2006, 03:08 PM

but what i'm saying is that while windows vista may not have an option to disable TC support, i would assume that linux would
Then you have a problem like with the Mac in terms of software choice. If the software requires TC support (and a lot of software in the future just might, so, for instance, they can prevent piracy), then you may not be able to get it to work on Linux.

Ryan S

02-10-2006, 03:09 PM

but what i'm saying is that while windows vista may not have an option to disable TC support, i would assume that linux would
I would assume that any company implementing TC would not release products on a platform which allows you to easily disable it

Drake

02-10-2006, 10:03 PM

I wouldn't worry about TC too much (as a home PC user -- if I was running a network, it would be a nightmare). The day after Vista becomes widely available, the hacking/cracking community will have tools readily available to kill it, and I'll be queuing up to download them, just like I have with all of the privacy invasive crap in XP. Any tools I can't find, I can make myself.

Bottom line is that it's my PC, and I'll find ways to control it and the other software I legally purchase. I figure as long as I'm not re-distributing my tools, what I do with their EULA agreements is my business.