FOFC: Infamous Criminal Draft!

[DeToxRox]

DRAFT ORDER


st. cronin
Schmitdy
Cartman
Oliegirl
Rafini
Desnudo
Sachmo71
RadioFriendlyUnitShifter
sabotai
DeToxRox

DRAFT RESULTS

1.1 - st. cronin - Lizzy Borden [Murderers] *Female*
1.2 - Schmidty - Jack the Ripper [Murderers]
1.3 - Cartman - Jeffery Dahmer [Murderers]
1.4 - Oliegirl - Lee Harvey Oswald [Murderers]
1.5 - Rafini - OJ Simpson [Athlete]
1.6 - Desnudo - Green River Killer [Murderers]
1.7 - Sachmo71 - John Wayne Gacy [Murderers]
1.8 - RadioFriendlyUnitShifter - Charles Manson [Murderers]
1.9 - Sabotai - Zodiac Killer [Murderers]
1.10 - DeToxRox - Ed Gein [Murderers]

2.1 - DeToxRox - Lawerence Phillips [Athletes]
2.2 - Saboai - D.B. Cooper [Wildcard]
2.3 - RadioFriendlyUnitShifter - Mike Tyson [Athlete]
2.4 - Sachmo71 - Tony Soprano [Fictional]
2.5 - Desnudo - Cain [Murderers]
2.6 - Rafini - Al Capone [Wildcard]
2.7 - Oliegirl - Rae Carruth [Athlete]
2.8 - Cartman - Leatherface [Fictional]
2.9 - Schmidty - Hannibal Lecter [Fictional]
2.10 - st.cronin - Michael Myers [Fictional]

3.1 - st.cronin - George Steinbrenner [Other]
3.2 - Schmidty - Jesse James [Other]
3.3 - Cartman - John Gotti [Other]
3.4 - Oliegirl - Aileen Wuornos - [Murderer] *Female*
3.5 - Rafini - Don Vito Corleone [Fictional]
3.6 - Desundo - John Dillinger [Wildcard]
3.7 - Sachmo71 - Bonnie Parker [Other] *Female*
3.8 - RadioFriendlyUnitShifter - Michael Jackson [Entertainer]
3.9 - Sabotai - Kevin Mitnick [Other]
3.10 - DeToxRox - David Berkowitz [Murderer]

4.1 - DeToxRox - Scott Peterson [Wildcard]
4.2 - Sabotai - The Unibomber [Murderer]
4.3 - RadioFriendlyUnitShifter - Keyser Soze [Fictional]
4.4 - Sachmo71 - Ted Bundy [Murderer]
4.5 - Desnudo - Jason Voorhies [Fictional]
4.6 - Rafini - Tim McVeigh [Murderer]
4.7 - Oliegirl - Norman Bates [Fictional]
4.8 - Cartman - Dennis Rader (BTK Killer) [Murderer]
4.9 - Schmidty - Tonya Harding [Athlete] *Female*
4.10 - st. cronin - Carlton Dotson [Athlete]

5.1 - st. cronin - Kenneth lay [Wildcard]
5.2 - Schmidty - Lucky Luciano [Wildcard]
5.3 - Cartman - Don King [Entertainer]
5.4 - Oliegirl - Pete Rose [Athlete]
5.5 - Rafini - Heidi Fleiss [Other] *Female*
5.6 - Desundo - Muhammed Ali [Entertainer]
5.7 - Sachmo71 - Shoeless Joe Jackson [Athlete]
5.8 - RadioFriendlyUnitShifter - Susan Smith [Murderer] *Female*
5.9 - Sabotai - Winona Ryder [Entertainer] *Female*
5.10 - DeToxRox - Nate Newton [Athlete]

6.1 - DeToxRox - Courtney Love [Entertainer] *Female*
6.2 - Sabotai - Darryl Strawberry [Athlete]
6.3 - RadioFriendlyUnitShifter - Henry Earl [Other]
6.4 - Sachmo71 - Darth Vader [Wildcard]
6.5 - Desundo - Dwight Gooden [Athlete]
6.6 - Rafini - Rick James [Entertainer]
6.7 - Oliegirl -Roman Polanski [Entertainer]
6.8 - Cartman - Ruben "The Hurricane" Carter [Athlete]
6.9 - Schmidty - John Wilkes Booth [Entertainer]
6.10 - st. cronin - Denny McClain [Athlete]

7.1 - st. cronin - Lenny Bruce [Entertainer]
7.2 - Schmidty - Vlad the Impaler [Murderer]
7.3 - Cartman - Mata Hari [Entertainer] *Female*
7.4 - Oliegirl - Pee-Wee Herman [Entertainer]
7.5 - Rafini - Dr. Jack Kevorkian [Wildcard]
7.6 - Desundo -Debra Lafave [Other] *Female*
7.7 - Sachmo71 -Byron "Bam" Morris [Athlete]
7.8 - RadioFriendlyShifterUnit - Jose Canseco [Athlete]
7.9 - Sabotai - James Brown [Entertainer]
7.10 - DeToxRox - Suge Knight [Other]

8.1 - DeToxRox - Fatty Arbuckle [Entertainer]
8.2 - Sabotai - Tony Montana [Fictional]
8.3 - RadioFriendly Shifter Unit - Richard "The Nightstalker" Ramirez [Wildcard]
8.4 - Sachmo71 - Hugh Grant [Entertainer]
8.5 - Desnudo - Willie Nelson [Entertainer]
8.6 - Rafini - James Earl Ray [Murderer]
8.7 - Oliegirl - Jack Ruby [Wildcard]
8.8 - Cartman - Kobe Bryant [Athlete]
8.9 - Schmidty - Michael Irvin [Athlete]
8.10 - st. cronin - Albert Anastasia [Murderer]

9.1 - st. cronin - Phil Spector [Entertainer]
9.2 - Schmidty - Martha Stewart [Entertainer] *Female*
9.3 - Cartman - Robert Stroud, The Birdman of Alcatraz [Wildcard]
9.4 - Oliegirl - Sid Vicious [Wildcard]
9.5 - Rafini - Jayson Williams [Athlete]
9.6 - Desnudo - Ray Lewis [Athlete]
9.7 - Sachmo71 - Robert Blake [Entertainer]
9.8 - RadioFriendlyUnitShifter - Henry Hill [Wildcard]
9.9 - Sabotai - Marty Bergen [Athlete]
9.10 - DeToxRox - Colonel Walter E. Kurtz [Fictional]

10.1 - DeToxRox - The Black Dahila Murderer [Wildcard]
10.2 - Sabotai - Professor Moriarty [Wildcard]
10.3 - RadioFriendlyUnitShifter - R. Kelly [Entertainer]
10.4 - Sachmo71 - Billy the Kid [Wildcard]
10.5 - Desnudo - Bruce Reynolds [Other]
10.6 - Rafini - John Holmes [Entertainer]
10.7 - Oliegirl - Patty Hearts [Other] *Female*
10.8 - Cartman - Jesus Christ [Other]
10.9 - Schmidty - Robin Hood [Wildcard]
10.10 - st. cronin - Lex Luther [Wildcard]

DRAFT CHECKLIST

2 Murderers
2 Athletes
2 Entertainers
2 Wildcard
1 Fictional
1 Other
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10 Total [Over 11, 4 is too many WC/Other]

st. cronin is on the clock.

After you pick, PM the person up next so we can hopefully move along with everyone knowing when they're up.

AND SO IT BEGINS

[st.cronin]

Lizzie Borden

[DeToxRox]

Note -- Add what group you're drafting her into.

[st.cronin]

Lizzie Borden, woman

and murderer too

:)

[oliegirl]

Lizzie Borden, woman

and murderer too

:)


I officially hate you - she was my first round pick!!!! :mad:

[JeeberD]

I think you need to get an axe and give him forty whacks. ;)

[Qwikshot]

Is she a criminal, I mean, she was found innocent right?

[larrymcg421]

There is considerable argument over Borden. Many books have been written over the years that argue both sides. Crimelibrary does an interesting piece about her case:

http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/famous/borden/7.html

[DeToxRox]

Bump

[cartman]

morning/keep on first page bump

[Lorena]

Is she a criminal, I mean, she was found innocent right?

Yup innocent; back in the day, her trial was like the OJ trial in our generation.

EDIT for graphical errors. I'm a bit paranoid now and keep checking to make sure my button is still there :)

[DeToxRox]

Another bump for Schmidty. We'll give him some more time since he's a Left Coaster, but if by later on tonight he hasn't picked we'll find a replacement.

[Lorena]

Another bump for Schmidty. We'll give him some more time since he's a Left Coaster, but if by later on tonight he hasn't picked we'll find a replacement.

*me me me*

In case you need one

[Schmidty]

Another bump for Schmidty. We'll give him some more time since he's a Left Coaster, but if by later on tonight he hasn't picked we'll find a replacement.

I just woke up and didn't even know the draft had started. Give me a few minutes to pick.

[Schmidty]

Jack the Ripper (Murderer)

[cartman]

Jeffrey Dahmer (Murderer)

edited to make my pick bold, as requested

[DeToxRox]

Radii is picking for Oliegirl. He has her list, so he's up.

[Desnudo]

Confirming, if they have been accused but acquited, we can still select them?

[cartman]

Confirming, if they have been accused but acquited, we can still select them?

Yep, the ground rules were that all they had to do to qualify was stand trial, regardless of the trial's outcome.

[Desnudo]

Thanks, that opens some options.

[cartman]

Can't do the draft, but my own choices would:


Hey, no contaminating the draft pool!

edit: my bad. Got distracted and didn't edit the quote.

[Schmidty]

PLEASE DO NOT POST PICKS IF YOU ARE NOT IN THE DRAFT.

I would appreciate both of the above posts to be deleted.

[Schmidty]

Damnit, that really pisses me off. It's common sense not to do that. :mad:

[rafini]

Later in the draft, are we able to change the position of people that we select now? Many people can fit into multiple categories.

[Schmidty]

Well, the guy left, so I PMed Skydog. Hopefully he'll edit the post or delete it.

[oliegirl]

I'm back and making my own pick - but radii will have the authority to pick for me throughout the draft...

I pick Lee Harvey Oswald (Murderer)

[sabotai]

Damnit, that really pisses me off. It's common sense not to do that. :mad:Common sense isn't very common...

[rafini]

I select O.J. Simpson (athletes)


O.J. was charged with two murders, and although he was found innocent in the criminal trail, he was found guilty in the civil trial, and he had a long history of "suspected" spousal abuse before that. His "Trial of the Century" single-(gloved)-handily redefined America's obsession with celebrities and the media's need to report on every single misstep they have. And to boot, he was one of the greatest football players of all time, a Hall-of-Famer and Heisman Trophy winner.

[Ben E Lou]

Well, the guy left, so I PMed Skydog. Hopefully he'll edit the post or delete it.:mad:

[DeToxRox]

Desuno PM'ed me his pick

1.6 Desuno picks Green River Killer [Murderers]

[DeToxRox]

Sachmo is up

Followed by Radio, Sab and myself finishing out the round

[Schmidty]

:mad:

Thanks.

[rafini]

OJ should be under Athletes for me.

Was it ever determined whether we'd be able to change categories later if I wanted to move him to Actor or Murderer?

[cartman]

Thanks.

Umm, the post is still there. I think he was mad at you, not the poster.

[Schmidty]

Umm, the post is still there. I think he was mad at you, not the poster.

My thanks was sarcasm.

[cartman]

My thanks was sarcasm.


Ah, I didn't put the :rolleyes: at the end of your message in my mind.

[Schmidty]

Just got a PM from SkyDog, and I understand his reasoning.

[DeToxRox]

OJ should be under Athletes for me.

Was it ever determined whether we'd be able to change categories later if I wanted to move him to Actor or Murderer?

My fault.

No, we won't be able to so it takes some thought beforehand.

[Ben E Lou]

To clarify:

I would greatly prefer not to mess with those threads. They'd be a great and constructive way for a troll to let off steam, once they catch on.

[Desnudo]

Nothing earthshaking in Web's post anyway. An inconsiderate thing, but it shouldn't change the game.

[Schmidty]

Nothing earthshaking in Web's post anyway. An inconsiderate thing, but it shouldn't change the game.

I was mostly irritated because right after he posted it cartman and I told him to delete it AND I PMed him. He was in the thread for another 15-20 minutes and then left. I guess he could have not refreshed and then just closed the window or something, but it still makes me mad.

[sachmo71]

1.7 - Murderer, John Wayne Gacy

Killer clown with bodies buried under the house. Blech.

[cartman]

1.7 - Murder, Jeffrey Dahmer

This guy gives serial killers bad dream. Zombies, body parts in jars, you name it. Just gross.

Sorry, dude. I already picked him at #3.

[Schmidty]

This is why everyone needs to bold their picks.

[DeToxRox]

Quick decision: Actor switched to ENTERTAINER, to include musicians, stand up comics, etc.

[sachmo71]

pick changed

[Karlifornia]

This man was legendary not only because of the bloody havoc he wreaked on Los Angeles in the 70's, but also his charisma. His charm enabled him to enrapture a horde of people to create a psychotic family. Just think about this: An 8-months pregnant Sharon Tate's blood all over the walls.


With pick 1.8, Team RFUS selects Charles Manson-Murderer

[st.cronin]

This man was legendary not only because of the bloody havoc he wreaked on Los Angeles in the 70's, but also his charisma. His charm enabled him to enrapture a horde of people to create a psychotic family. Just think about this: An 8-months pregnant Sharon Tate's blood all over the walls.


With pick 1.8, Team RFUS selects Charles Manson-Murderer

Can't believe he lasted that long. He was #3 on my board.

[DeToxRox]

This man was legendary not only because of the bloody havoc he wreaked on Los Angeles in the 70's, but also his charisma. His charm enabled him to enrapture a horde of people to create a psychotic family. Just think about this: An 8-months pregnant Sharon Tate's blood all over the walls.


With pick 1.8, Team RFUS selects Charles Manson-Murderer

Shocking he fell this far.

[cartman]

Uncle Chuck is no Jeff Dahmer. I would have pulled a Ditka and traded my entire draft for a shot at the Dahmer :D

[DeToxRox]

Uncle Chuck is no Jeff Dahmer. I would have pulled a Ditka and traded my entire draft for a shot at the Dahmer :D

I like the committment. I plan on throwing a wrench in the picks with my back to backers, pending on Sab's pick. I will say one will be a murderer, one won't though.

[cartman]

Ah, so we are reversing the pick order each round? I guess I missed that in the other thread.

[sabotai]

With my first pick I will go with one that is still a mystery (some think they have figured it out though)

1.9 - The Zodiac Killer - murderers

[sabotai]

Ah, so we are reversing the pick order each round? I guess I missed that in the other thread.That's pretty standard for these drafts.

I like being up so soon again. Hopefully DeTox doesn't take my next pick...

[oliegirl]

Shocking he fell this far.


I was going to take him, but after doing some research realized that he never actually comitted any murder...he convinced others to, but never had blood on his hands, so I wasn't sure if he would be considered eligible.

[sabotai]

I was going to take him, but after doing some research realized that he never actually comitted any murder...he convinced others to, but never had blood on his hands, so I wasn't sure if he would be considered eligible.Well, he is in prison. :D

[oliegirl]

Well, he is in prison. :D


Yeah - but I figured he'd have to be taken under "other" and I didn't want to use that pick yet...

[sabotai]

Yeah - but I figured he'd have to be taken under "other" and I didn't want to use that pick yet...Hmmm. Good point. *goes to look up what he's technically in prison for*

He was convicted of first-degree murder for ordering and planning the murders.

[DeToxRox]

1.10 - Ed Gein [Murderers]

2.1 - Lawerence Phillips [Athletes]

[DeToxRox]

Ed Gein is the basis of movies like Pyscho and Silence of the Lambs.

Lawerence Phillips may be the pennical of famous criminal athletes.

[sabotai]

2.2: DB Cooper - Wildcard

[Karlifornia]

2.3 Mike Tyson-Athletes

[rafini]

Great pick with Tyson. He was my next if still available. Thought him and OJ were the top of the Athletes heap.

[sabotai]

I obviously favor the mysteries. :)

[sachmo71]

1.10 - Ed Gein [Murderers]

2.1 - Lawerence Phillips [Athletes]



nice picks. now, if you could carry over this success to fantasy football, you would be unstoppable! :p

[tanglewood]

No mobster category? :confused:

[cartman]

bump...

If my calculations are correct, then isn't sachmo up?

[sachmo71]

2.4 Fictional, Tony Soprano


he's bad and he has stress.

[rafini]

DeTox,
I tried to PM you my next pick - I probably won't be around for it - but your box is full.

[Bee]

My first round analysis (hopefully it doesn't make Schmidty spontaneously combust ;)):

1.1 - st. cronin - Lizzy Borden [Murderers]
Surprise pick to kick it off. A first rounder in my opinion, but we'll have to see if she's worth the first overall pick.

1.2 - Schmidty - Jack the Ripper [Murderers]
Would have been my consensus #1. We'll have to see if Schmidty can build on this pick.

1.3 - Cartman - Jeffery Dahmer [Murderers]
Definitely a top 3 pick. Cannibalism is always a nice bonus when picking up a Murderer.

1.4 - Oliegirl - Lee Harvey Oswald [Murderers]
Great name recognition, but will lack of volume on his resume hurt with the voters?

1.5 - Rafini - OJ Simpson [Athlete]
The first athlete to go off the board, no surprise in who it is.

1.6 - Desnudo - Green River Killer [Murderers]
Solid first rounder with decent volume and name recognition

1.7 - Sachmo71 - John Wayne Gacy [Murderers]
Good value pick at this point in the draft. Everyone loves a clown.

1.8 - RadioFriendlyUnitShifter - Charles Manson [Murderers]
Might be the steal of the draft so far. Great leadership skills will probably be a benefit.

1.9 - Sabotai - Zodiac Killer [Murderers]
With the run on Murderers, sabotai grabs a big name before they're all gone.

1.10 - DeToxRox - Ed Gein [Murderers]
Definitely has the resume, but name recognition may be an issue. DeTox may have to do some PR with the voters.

[DeToxRox]

Fixed the PM problem. Sorry for that Rafini, didn't realize I had so many to delete.

[DeToxRox]

Desnudo is up

[Desnudo]

Let's hop in the time machine:

Cain

[cartman]

Let's hop in the time machine:

Cain


Hmmm... interesting to see which category you end up putting him in

[DeToxRox]

2.6 Rafini takes Al Capone (Wildcard)

[Desnudo]

Hmmm... interesting to see which category you end up putting him in

I'll put him in the murderer category.

[DeToxRox]

Desundo's murderer category is now filled

[Radii]

Oliegirl and I have talked over her list and I am picking for her since she's out for a little while.

Its rare that an athlete comes up on capital murder charges, and the hunt for this guy, leading to him being found hiding in the trunk of a friend's car in Tennesee was simply bizarre.

2.7 - Athlete - Rae Carruth

uhhh, Go Panthers, or something!

[DeToxRox]

Oliegirl and I have talked over her list and I am picking for her since she's out for a little while.

Its rare that an athlete comes up on capital murder charges, and the hunt for this guy, leading to him being found hiding in the trunk of a friend's car in Tennesee was simply bizarre.

2.7 - Athlete - Rae Carruth

uhhh, Go Panthers, or something!

Good pick. Cartmans up.

[cartman]

I can't believe he fell this far into the second round. With my 2nd pick, I choose:

2.8 Leatherface - fictional

[DeToxRox]

Another good pick. Some solid guys who very well could've been first rounders come off the board.

My war room is scathing at the loss at potential steals.

[DeToxRox]

My first round analysis (hopefully it doesn't make Schmidty spontaneously combust ;)):

1.1 - st. cronin - Lizzy Borden [Murderers]
Surprise pick to kick it off. A first rounder in my opinion, but we'll have to see if she's worth the first overall pick.

1.2 - Schmidty - Jack the Ripper [Murderers]
Would have been my consensus #1. We'll have to see if Schmidty can build on this pick.

1.3 - Cartman - Jeffery Dahmer [Murderers]
Definitely a top 3 pick. Cannibalism is always a nice bonus when picking up a Murderer.

1.4 - Oliegirl - Lee Harvey Oswald [Murderers]
Great name recognition, but will lack of volume on his resume hurt with the voters?

1.5 - Rafini - OJ Simpson [Athlete]
The first athlete to go off the board, no surprise in who it is.

1.6 - Desnudo - Green River Killer [Murderers]
Solid first rounder with decent volume and name recognition

1.7 - Sachmo71 - John Wayne Gacy [Murderers]
Good value pick at this point in the draft. Everyone loves a clown.

1.8 - RadioFriendlyUnitShifter - Charles Manson [Murderers]
Might be the steal of the draft so far. Great leadership skills will probably be a benefit.

1.9 - Sabotai - Zodiac Killer [Murderers]
With the run on Murderers, sabotai grabs a big name before they're all gone.

1.10 - DeToxRox - Ed Gein [Murderers]
Definitely has the resume, but name recognition may be an issue. DeTox may have to do some PR with the voters.


lmao. Great insight, keep it up.

[Schmidty]

Ok, I almost made this my pick back in the 1st round, so I'm glad it's still here. I feel wierd taking it though, since that guy posted it in his list yesterday. Oh well:

Hannibal Lecter (Fictional)

[DeToxRox]

Ok, I almost made this my pick back in the 1st round, so I'm glad it's still here. I feel wierd taking it though, since that guy posted it in his list yesterday. Oh well:

Hannibal Lecter (Fictional)

I wouldn't feel weird. He was definetly a guy people knew beforehand so no one can fault you for that.

[DeToxRox]

st. cronins up next with two picks, then Schmidty and Cartman

[sabotai]

Dunno about the strat to take fictional characters early. There are definately a lot of big name fictional characters to pick from, and we only need one. Same thing with murderers (even though I did take 1 in the first round). Lots of big names there too.

I think the "Other" and "Wildcard" picks will be the ones that impact most, considering how vast the catagory is and we need to fill 3 spots total with those. Do you take a wide variety of criminals with those three, or do you stick to one specific area? Which strat will score bigger with the voters?

[st.cronin]

MICHAEL MYERS (fictional)

and

OSAMA BIN LADEN (murderer)

[Schmidty]

Jesse James (Other)

[DeToxRox]

Up to bat: Cartman
On deck: Oliegirl
On pole: Rafini

[cartman]

Ok, I got off to a strong start, no time to let up now.

I've got two of the most deviant criminals in history on my roster. Now is the time to take a pick that can go beyond the mindless killing. After all, criminals are more than just murderers. I'm looking for someone who can bring a team of criminals together, and can cover all of the bases, so I'm picking:

3.3 "The Teflon Don" John Gotti - Other

[oliegirl]

At 3.4, Team Oliegirl selects:

Aileen Wuornos - Murderer (female), the real life Lesbian Serial Killer which the movie Monster was based on. She killed 7 men in Florida after they picked her up for sexual favors (prostitution) in the early 90's and was caught mainly by information turned in by her lover.

This fulfills my female selection as well as filling up my murderer category...

[oliegirl]

Dola - Rafini is on the clock and has been PM'ed...

[rafini]

With it's third-round pick, team Rafini selects Don Vito Corleone (Andolini), Sicily, Fictional Character


With, arguably, the most notorious real-life gangster in history in Capone already on the squad, I figured I had to get the most well-known silver screen mobster. The Godfather is the mafia film all others are compared to, and when you think of The Godfather, the image of Don Vito sitting behind his desk has to come to mind. When it takes Marlo Brando and Robert DeNiro to play a character, you know he has to be great.

[DeToxRox]

Up to bat: Desuno
On Deck: Sachmo
On Pole: RFSU

[Desnudo]

With a wildcard selection, Desnudo chooses Adolf Hitler

[Schmidty]

I was under the impression from the sign up thread that we couldn't take guys like Hitler or Bin Laden.

[Desnudo]

I read the original thread and you are right. However, Hitler did spend time in prison for an attempted coup. I'll leave it to DeTox to decide.

[sachmo71]

3.6 Other, Bonnie Parker

She's the Juliet to the Killer Romeo, Bonnie and Clyde ran a string of robberies in Louisania and Texas back in the 30's. Met their end in a ambush, but she may have been one of the most beloved criminals in US history.

[Desnudo]

I read the original thread and you are right. However, Hitler did spend time in prison for an attempted coup. I'll leave it to DeTox to decide.

Although, having thought about, I'd prefer it if we revoked this pick and the Osama one since it's obvious that they would have gone much higher if everyone thought they could pick them.

[Karlifornia]

3.8 Entertainer-Michael Jackson

It doesn't get anymore wacko than Jacko. You get put on trial once for child molestation? Okay, maybe it's just a money grab. If you continue to have sleepovers with little kids after this and wind up back in court, it's obvious you have a sick problem.

[Schmidty]

Although, having thought about, I'd prefer it if we revoked this pick and the Osama one since it's obvious that they would have gone much higher if everyone thought they could pick them.

I agree.

I also think the draft should stop for now until this is sorted out.

[sabotai]

World's most famous hacker

3.9 - Kevin Mitnick - Other

[DeToxRox]

Since people would like to revoke those picks, we'll have to backtrack, so my question is how do the people drafting after those picks feel? Do we restart the third round or do we just let the prior picks stay and just let st. cronin and desundo make new picks?

Either way I probably think they should be discarded, but its for all to decide.

[sabotai]

Keep prior picks, pause after the 3rd round is done and let cronin and Des make new picks.

[cartman]

Keep prior picks, pause after the 3rd round is done and let cronin and Des make new picks.

I agree with this proposal.

[DeToxRox]

Keep prior picks, pause after the 3rd round is done and let cronin and Des make new picks.

Seems like the best idea. I'll let others put some more input, but it'll be majority rule.

[oliegirl]

Keep prior picks, pause after the 3rd round is done and let cronin and Des make new picks.


Also works for me...

[oliegirl]

Dola...on second thought, shouldn't we pause now and let Cronin and Desnudo make their replacement picks?

[DeToxRox]

Dola

[DeToxRox]

DOLA

[Raven Hawk]

Jesse James (Other)Sweet third round pick, Schmidty.

[DeToxRox]

I should probably add that I'm going to let St. Cronin and Desundo make their picks before I make my pick to end the third since we had some confusion. I know who Des wants, so basically waiting on SC.

[st.cronin]

What exactly is the rule that I violated? I'm not complaining, I just am worried about making more bogus picks.

[DeToxRox]

What exactly is the rule that I violated? I'm not complaining, I just am worried about making more bogus picks.

Just in regards to Osama and Hitler. People who were never truly charged with murders or anything for that matter.

[st.cronin]

Just in regards to Osama and Hitler. People who were never truly charged with murders or anything for that matter.

Well, Osama IS on the FBI's most wanted list. But I'll make another pick.


George Steinbrenner

other

[Desnudo]

Public enemy number one:

John Dillinger

Wildcard

[Desnudo]

Can we pick criminal duos or are we limited to one member of that duo?

[DeToxRox]

Can we pick criminal duos or are we limited to one member of that duo?

Limited to one member. It's how we did it in the comedy draft.

[oliegirl]

Well, Osama IS on the FBI's most wanted list. But I'll make another pick.


George Steinbrenner

other


Interesting pick...I didn't even know that Steinbrenner had a criminal record, but after googling him and reading up on wikipedia I see he is quite the shady character...

[DeToxRox]

3.10 - Son of Sam himself, David Berkowitz [Murderer]

4.1 - Scott Peterson [Wildcard]

[DeToxRox]

Sab is up.

[sabotai]

4.2 - The Unabomber (Murderer)

Real Name: Ted Kaczynski. Killed 3, wounded 29 over 18 years. The subject of the FBI's most expensive manhunt in history.

[Karlifornia]

4.3 Fictional-Keyser Soze


From the film "The Usual Suspects". The story goes that Soze once came home to find his family raped and held at gunpoint. As the intruders threatened to kill his family unless he gave himself up, Soze blows away everybody in the room, including his wife and young children. Take that!

[DeToxRox]

Fictional-Keyser Soze


From the film "The Usual Suspects". The story goes that Soze once came home to find his family raped and held at gunpoint. As the intruders threatened to kill his family unless he gave himself up, Soze blows away everybody in the room, including his wife and young children. Take that!

As I big time US fan, I say here here.

[oliegirl]

4.3 Fictional-Keyser Soze


From the film "The Usual Suspects". The story goes that Soze once came home to find his family raped and held at gunpoint. As the intruders threatened to kill his family unless he gave himself up, Soze blows away everybody in the room, including his wife and young children. Take that!


Great pick! He was on my list, but luckily there are a couple other fictional characters I wanted before him :)

Definitely one of my all time favorite movies - Kevin Spacey is beyond amazing in that role and the end...it gets me every time!!!!

[sachmo71]

bonnie parker needs the female indicator, plz k thx.

[Oilers9911]

Damnit, that really pisses me off. It's common sense not to do that. :mad:Wow, getting a little excited about a fake draft aren't we?

[sachmo71]

Ted Bundy, Murderer

He almost killed Blondie!

[DeToxRox]

Up to bat: Desundo
On Deck: Rafini
On pole: Oliegirl

[Desnudo]

Jason

Fictional

[rafini]

With its fourth-round pick, Team Rafini selects Timothy McVeigh, Murderer


Surprised he's still here in the fourth round. Definitely takes care of any quantity questions, as he drove the truck and lit the fuse of the bomb that detonated in front of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, causing 168 deaths, including a number of children in a daycare. The worst act of homegrown terrorism on U.S. soil.

[DeToxRox]

Up to bat: Oliegirl
On deck: Cartman
On pole: Schmidty

[oliegirl]

With 4.7 (I think that is the right number) Team Oliegirl selects:

Norman Bates - Fictional Character...he was the original psychopath and one of the classic characters of all time. All you have to do is mention "shower scene" and everyone knows what you are talking about, not to mention the great ending where we finally get to meet Norman's mother!

[DeToxRox]

Cartman, Schmidty and st.cronin to close out the round

[cartman]

With my next pick, I will complete my murderer category. He terrorized a city for almost 30 years. He gave tantalizing clues to his identity, but the police couldn't quite put it all together. He disappeared for over 10 years before mysteriously contacting the police again.

I select 4.8 Dennis Rader "The BTK Killer"-Murderer

[Buccaneer]

Uncle Chuck is no Jeff Dahmer. I would have pulled a Ditka and traded my entire draft for a shot at the Dahmer :D
Except that I will score Manson much higher than Dahmer. Manson still has the notoriety after 35 years whereas Dahmer has been largely forgotten. Most can name those connected to Manson while most do not even know if Dahmer is dead or alive. Helter Skelter really has reached a mythical status.

[Schmidty]

Tanya Harding - Athlete

I have to start filling the tough slots.

[Fouts]

If I were writing a psych paper, I would use this thread in it.

[sachmo71]

Tanya Harding - Athlete

I have to start filling the tough slots.


LOL @ "tough slot". Actually, I saw her on Access Inside Hollywood the other day, and she's just a fat slot now.

[sachmo71]

is it time to put in some time limits?

[DeToxRox]

Yeah. I'd suggest at least for now people PM me their potential picks before they log off for the night so that way we can have a way around all this delay.

[st.cronin]

Carlton Dotson

Athlete, murdered his own teammate.

Kenneth Lay

Wildcard, defrauded millions of people and actually triggered a mini-stock market crash.

[DeToxRox]

up to bat: schmidty
on deck: cartman
on pole: oliegirl (pardon the pun)

[Schmidty]

Lucky Luciano - Wildcard

Perhaps the most powerful mob boss ever.

[Raven Hawk]

Schmidty, you're on fire!

and a great pick by rafini, getting Timmy McVeigh late in the 4th.

[Schmidty]

Schmidty, you're on fire!

and a great pick by rafini, getting Timmy McVeigh late in the 4th.

Thanks man. :)

This is a really, really tough draft though.

[cartman]

With my pick, I go to the sports entertainment field. He is not an athlete, per se, but is in the management aspect of the field. So I put him in the entertainer category:

5.3 Don King - Entertainer

[DeToxRox]

Oliegirl is up.

[oliegirl]

Crap.

Internet was down all day and this is the first time I'm checking the board...give me a little time and I'll get my pick in...sorry for the delay!

[oliegirl]

With pick 5.4, Team Oliegirl selects:

Pete Rose, Athlete

Although he only did 5 months in jail for tax evasion, he will forever be remembered for being banned from baseball for gambling on the game.

This fulfills my athlete category

[rafini]

After a hard day of mayhem and distruction, my team likes to kick back and relax a little. Knowing of my boys' need for stress relief and relaxation ...


With pick 5.5, Team Rafini selects


Heidi Fleiss, Other

[DeToxRox]

Desundo, Sachmo, RFSU up next

[rafini]

bump

[DeToxRox]

Double dola

[Schmidty]

I think that once the last pick was 24 hours ago, that person should have their pick pushed down a spot until they get back.

[sabotai]

I think that once the last pick was 24 hours ago, that person should have their pick pushed down a spot until they get back.I agree, but since we're mid draft it would be kind of unfair to just spring that on someone now. It's an idea for people who do future drafts to consider, though. Or maybe we can start this in a day or two, if the draft is still going on, to give people enough warning that they will slip in the draft if they don't check the board.

[sachmo71]

I agree, but since we're mid draft it would be kind of unfair to just spring that on someone now. It's an idea for people who do future drafts to consider, though. Or maybe we can start this in a day or two, if the draft is still going on, to give people enough warning that they will slip in the draft if they don't check the board.


other drafts did consider it. This draft was sort of...ummm...not very planned.

[Desnudo]

Sorry guys. Pick coming up.

[Desnudo]

Muhammad Ali, Entertainer

[DeToxRox]

Sachmo, RFSU, Sab: next 3

[sachmo71]

5.7 Shoeless Joe Jackson, Athlete

Chicago Black Sox and the 1921 World Series.

[DaddyTorgo]

5.7 Shoeless Joe Jackson, Athlete

Chicago Black Sox and the 1921 World Series.BITCH!! HE WAS ACQUITTED!!! HE NEVER DID ANYTHING TO THROW ANY GAMES!! He hit .375 in the Series that year with 5 runs scored and 6 RBI's.

TAKE IT BACK!

[Schmidty]

5.7 Shoeless Joe Jackson, Athlete

Chicago Black Sox and the 1921 World Series.

I almost took him, but since he never actually commited a crime (officially), I decided to pass. If it's ok to take a guy like him, it opens a whole lot of options in the draft.......

[st.cronin]

I almost took him, but since he never actually commited a crime (officially), I decided to pass. If it's ok to take a guy like him, it opens a whole lot of options in the draft.......

I believe he was indicted but acquitted, which made him eligible.

[cartman]

I believe he was indicted but acquitted, which made him eligible.

Yep, that's the reason OJ was eligible.

[rafini]

Yep, that's the reason OJ was eligible.

In the civil case OJ was actually found liable for the wrongful death of Ronald Goldman, battery against Goldman, and battery against Nicole Brown.

[cartman]

In the civil case OJ was actually found liable for the wrongful death of Ronald Goldman, battery against Goldman, and battery against Nicole Brown.

Yep, but you don't have a criminal record if you lose a civil case.

[DeToxRox]

RFSU up, Sab on dec

[Karlifornia]

5.8 Susan Smith-Murderer (female)

Smith drove her car into a lake with her kids still inside. She then told authorities that she had been carjacked by a black guy, which everyone believed at first. The truth then came out, and boy did some people feel stupid (and angry).

[DeToxRox]

Sabotai is up, followed by my two picks.

[Desnudo]

Do we have to pick a female at some point? Just wondering why it gets flagged. Thanks.

[DeToxRox]

Do we have to pick a female at some point? Just wondering why it gets flagged. Thanks.

Just one. Doesn't matter which category.

[sabotai]

Winona Ryder - Entertainer

[DeToxRox]

5.10 - Nate Newton [Athlete]

6.1 - Courtney Love [Entertainer]

[DeToxRox]

Sab, RFSU, Sach

[sabotai]

Darryl Strawberry - Athlete

[DeToxRox]

Darryl Strawberry - Athlete

helluva pick.

[Karlifornia]

6.3 Henry Earl-Other

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Earl

[DeToxRox]

Henry Earl is a fan favorite, for sure.

[Schmidty]

Henry Earl is a fan favorite, for sure.

That is a hilarious, awesome pick. I think you could have gotten it in round 29, but it's still good. :)

[JeeberD]

5.8 Susan Smith-Murderer (female)

Smith drove her car into a lake with her kids still inside. She then told authorities that she had been carjacked by a black guy, which everyone believed at first. The truth then came out, and boy did some people feel stupid (and angry).


But black people actually commit all the crimes, ever. Right? RIGHT?!?!?

[Schmidty]

But black people actually commit all the crimes, ever. Right? RIGHT?!?!?

Flasch, is that you????? Bigglesworth??????

So sorry, I left my glasses in my giant SUV.

[Schmidty]

By the way, I'm just being sarcastic and not particularly funny, but I figure that if JeeberD can do that, so can I!!!!!!!

[sachmo71]

6.4 Darth Vader, Wildcard


So, he was redeemed in the end? This man destroyed planets!

[DeToxRox]

Desnudo/Rafini/Oliegirl

[Desnudo]

Sabotai's pick inspired me to look at those lovable Mets and pick a fellow coca lover who also was accused of rape.

Dwight Gooden, athlete

[DeToxRox]

I gave Gooden some thought but Nate Newton barely edged him out.

[rafini]

With pick 6.6 Team Rafini selects Rick James, Entertainer

A notorious drug addict, James served two years in Folsom Prison in the mid '90s for assulting two women. The further exploits of his life have been well cronicled, so what else can be said, except ... He's Rick James, bitch!

P.S. Cocaine's a hell of a drug.

[DeToxRox]

Some damn solid picks in the mid rounds.

[oliegirl]

6.7 Roman Polanski - Entertainer

In 1977 Polanski was accused of drugging a 13 year old with quaaludes during a photo shoot, and then having sexual intercourse with her at the vacant home of Jack Nicholson. He served 45 days in prison, then arranged a plea bargain, but when the judge denied it, he fled to Paris where he has remained ever since. He won the Academy Award for directing in 2002 (The Pianist) but couldn't attend since he still faces up to 50 years in prison for his crime.

[DeToxRox]

Cartman, Schmidty, st. cronin

[cartman]

With my next pick, I stay in the world of boxing. This person was arrested and imprisoned for murder for almost 29 years, before being exonerated and set free. The movie "The Hurricane" was based on his life. With my next pick I choose:

6.8 Rubin "The Hurricane" Carter-athlete

edited to add the athlete category

[DeToxRox]

schmidty then st. cronin for two

[Schmidty]

John Wilkes Booth - Entertainer

Not only did Booth assassinate president Lincoln, he was considered one of the best actors of his time - thus the reasoning to put him in the entertainer category.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wilkes_Booth

[DeToxRox]

John Wilkes Booth - Entertainer

Not only did Booth assassinate president Lincoln, he was considered one of the best actors of his time - thus the reasoning to put him in the entertainer category.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wilkes_Booth

Nice fucking pick.

[Schmidty]

Nice fucking pick.

Thanks man. :)

[sabotai]

6.4 Darth Vader, Wildcard


So, he was redeemed in the end? This man destroyed planets!But he never technically commited any crimes. :D

[st.cronin]

Denny McLain, Athlete

Extortion, book making, gun possesion, tossing ice water on reporters, plus he won 30 games.

Lenny Bruce, Entertainer

Jailed for telling dirty jokes.

[DeToxRox]

Schimidty, Cartman, Oliegirl

[Schmidty]

Denny McLain, Athlete

Extortion, book making, gun possesion, tossing ice water on reporters, plus he won 30 games.

I knew I should have taken him earlier.

[Schmidty]

Vlad Tepes (Vlad the Impaler, Vlad Dracula III) - Murderer

This man was one of the worst mass murderers ever. I read some of his methods of killing, and made me sick:

http://www.donlinke.com/drakula/vlad/vlad2.htm#Atrocities

[cartman]

Going a bit old school with my next pick. It will finish my entertainer category. She was a belly dancers that was executed by the French for spying. An all time classic criminal, my choice is

7.3 Mata Hari - entertainer *female*

[DeToxRox]

Oliegirl, Rafini, Desundo

[oliegirl]

Finishing out my entertainer category, team Oliegirl selects

7.4 Pee-Wee Herman

We all know what Pee-Wee did with his Wee-Wee, so there is no need to elaborate...but for those who don't remember, indecent exposure and kiddie porn was involved.

http://crime.about.com/library/blreubenspaul.htm

[DeToxRox]

Finishing out my entertainer category, team Oliegirl selects

7.4 Pee-Wee Herman

We all know what Pee-Wee did with his Wee-Wee, so there is no need to elaborate...but for those who don't remember, indecent exposure and kiddie porn was involved.

http://crime.about.com/library/blreubenspaul.htm

BITCH! Pick stealer! I'll let it slide though.

[DeToxRox]

Rafini, Des, Sach

[oliegirl]

BITCH! Pick stealer! I'll let it slide though.


I'd apologize, but I wouldn't mean it :)

[Radii]

John Wilkes Booth was on our list, I like that pick a lot. Cartman's Hurricane and both of st. cronin's picks(mcclain and bruce) are solid as well.

[rafini]

With pick 7.5 Team Rafini selects Dr. Jack Kevorkian, Wildcard

Assisted in the suicide of over 100 terminally ill people. After being tried numerous times, he was eventually charged with second-degree murder and found guilty. He is currently in prison in Michigan, serving a 10-to-25-year sentence.

[Desnudo]

Maybe not globally famous or as notorious as many others, but certainly an FOFC fan favorite and inspiration for kids entering puberty everywhere. Certainly an entertainer, but I'll select:

Debra Lafave, Other

[DeToxRox]

Picks updated.

[sachmo71]

7.7. Byron "Bam" Morris, Athlete


How much pot is that, son?
'Bout five hundred pounds, officer.
And you decided to hide it in your trunk?
DOH!

[Whar]

How have 'insert really mean guys here' not been drafted?!?!!

All have stood trial for various offenses and all found guilty. All 3 of which out-strip all other murderers listed in this draft. They are all first rounders! For evilness sake show these players some respect! :)

Sorry :)

[cartman]

How have xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx not been drafted?!?!!

All have stood trial for various offenses and all found guilty. All 3 of which out-strip all other murderers listed in this draft. They are all first rounders! For evilness sake show these players some respect! :)

It's bad form to discuss names while the draft is ongoing. If you don't mind, please edit your post to remove the names.

[Desnudo]

It was determined that drafting people of that nature was against the rules.

[DeToxRox]

RFSU, Sab, Myself up next

[Karlifornia]

7.8 Jose Canseco-Athlete

Wifebeating, drunk driving, assault. Jose has done quite a few things. Just the name Canseco will strike fear into women everywhere

[DeToxRox]

Sabs up.

[sabotai]

James Brown - Entertainer

[DeToxRox]

7.10 - Suge Knight [Other]

Virtually started a war between coasts, as well as numerous acts of violence and intimidation.

8.1 - Fatty Arbuckle [Entertainer]

Going in the way back machine, he was involved in the first Hollywood murder trial.

[sabotai]

I was thinking of taking Fatty Arbuckle, but considering he was set up I passed.

uuughhhh.....I can't decide who I want to take for fictional. I have two top people in mind and I want to take both....

Saw someone earlier do this but I want to be clear. We can take a fictional character with our wildcard picks, correct?

[DeToxRox]

I was thinking of taking Fatty Arbuckle, but considering he was set up I passed.

uuughhhh.....I can't decide who I want to take for fictional. I have two top people in mind and I want to take both....

Saw someone earlier do this but I want to be clear. We can take a fictional character with our wildcard picks, correct?

Indeed. Wildcard can be anything.

[sabotai]

Tony Montana - Fictional

Scarface

"I kill a communist for fun, but for a green card, I gonna carve him up real nice."
"You wanna fuck with me? Okay. You wanna play rough? Okay. Say hello to my little friend!"
"In this country, you gotta make the money first. Then when you get the money, you get the power. Then when you get the power, then you get the women."

[DeToxRox]

Good pick on TM. I was thinking about taking him but held off, hoping he'd fall.

[sabotai]

Good pick on TM. I was thinking about taking him but held off, hoping he'd fall.Heh. I was actually waiting on you to make your fictional pick so you could make my decision for me and I would just pick the other guy I have in mind in the last round.

[cartman]

You cock-a-roaches!

http://www.lesscrappy.com/thumbs/southprkcrtmnscarface.jpg

:D

[Karlifornia]

8.3 Richard "The Nightstalker" Ramirez-Wildcard

What a freaking nutjob. Ruthless rapist and murderer, Ramirez had some of the most surreal moments in the history of murder trials. Writing shit on his hands and making demonic faces, threatening the judge and jury. Just a crazy dude. Look it up on Wikipedia. I'm surprised he's still here.

[Grammaticus]

7.10 - Suge Knight [Other]

Virtually started a war between coasts, as well as numerous acts of violence and intimidation.

8.1 - Fatty Arbuckle [Entertainer]

Going in the way back machine, he was involved in the first Hollywood murder trial.
Wow, Fatty Arbuckle, awesome find. It doesn't get more salacious than killing a women with a champagne bottle to the....um you know, Ouch. I don't know how you guys are rating this draft, but that one gets many points.

On the other hand the Shoeless Joe pick should get very little points. That pick was in very bad form. Not a criminal in the literal sense or in the belief of the masses. Where O.J may not be a criminal in the literal sense, but the masses ALL think he did it.

[JeeberD]

8.3 Richard "The Nightstalker" Ramirez-Wildcard

What a freaking nutjob. Ruthless rapist and murderer, Ramirez had some of the most surreal moments in the history of murder trials. Writing shit on his hands and making demonic faces, threatening the judge and jury. Just a crazy dude. Look it up on Wikipedia. I'm surprised he's still here.


El Paso REPRESENT!

[DeToxRox]

Sach, Des, Rafini

[sachmo71]

8.4 Hugh Grant, Entertainer

Hope you liked that BJ, Hugh, because it cost you Elizabeth Hurley.

[Desnudo]

8.5 Willie Nelson, Entertainer

[rafini]

With pick 8.6 Team Rafini selects James Earl Ray, Murderer


I feel a huge high-profile 8th-round pick to get the confessed murderer of one of the most notable figures in American history - Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

[oliegirl]

8.7 Team Oliegirl selects:

Jack Ruby (Wildcard)...the man who killed Lee Harvey Oswald as he was being transferred from Police Headquarters to jail. The photo is infamous, and the murder has helped to perpetuate one of the biggest conspiracy theories ever - did Oswald act alone or was there another gunman on or near the Grassy Knoll????

[cartman]

To complete my sports category, I'm going with someone who was found not guilty, and like OJ, this person is not considered innocent in the court of public opinion. I'm surprised he hasn't been taken yet. With my next pick, I choose:

8.8: Kobe Bryant - athlete

[Schmidty]

Michael Irvin - Athlete

[st.cronin]

Albert Anastasia, murderer

CEO of Murder, Inc.

Phil Spector, entertainer

Currently on trial for murder.

[sabotai]

2 rounds to go. I still need an athlete and wildcard and I'm pretty sure I know who I am taking with both. Although, with the wildcard, I am going back and forth on 2 people....decisions, decisions.

[Schmidty]

Martha Stewart - Entertainer

[cartman]

For my wildcard, I'm taking another criminal I'm surprised has fallen this far.

With my next pick I choose:

Dang it, he was already picked!

[DeToxRox]

For my wildcard, I'm taking another criminal I'm surprised has fallen this far.

With my next pick I choose:

9.3 David Berkowitz aka "The Son of Sam" - Wildcard

Haha check again, I nabbed him in the 3rd or 4th/

[cartman]

Haha check again, I nabbed him in the 3rd or 4th/

D'oh! I didn't check close enough...

I'm saving my other WC for the final pick. It's a doozy!

[DeToxRox]

updated picks finally

[cartman]

Ok, for my next trick...

Here's a hardened career criminal, whose nickname belies his true, horrible nature. He spent time at Alcatraz (hence his nickname). His first stint in the federal pen was for killing a bartender who didn't pay a prostitute he was pimping. He spent time in Leavenworth, and anywhere he went, he scared the crap out of the other inmates, in fact, he even killed a prison guard in front of over 1,000 other inmates. Sounds just like the guy you want on your criminal team. With my pick, I choose:

9.3 Robert Stroud, The Birdman of Alcatraz - Wildcard

[DeToxRox]

Updated yet again

[oliegirl]

9.4

Team Oliegirl selects Sid Vicious, Wildcard. Arrested for the stabbing death of his girlfriend, Nancy Spungen, he was released on $50K bond, but committed suicide via heroin overdose at a party thrown at his new girlfriends house before a trial could occur. Although there is a theory that he is innocent, most believe he was guilty.

[rafini]

With pick 9.5 Team Rafini selects Jayson Williams, Athlete


The former NBA All-Star was tried on charges related to the killing of 55 year old limousine driver Costas Christofi. He was acquitted of the most serious charges against him, but the jury deadlocked on a charge of reckless manslaughter, and he currently faces a retrial on that charge. He also faces trial on four charges related to his alleged attempts to cover up the circumstances of the driver's death.

[Desnudo]

Ray Lewis, Athlete

[sachmo71]

9.7 Robert Blake, Entertainer

Remember folks...he didn't do it.

[DeToxRox]

RFSU, Sab, Myself up next