The Ohio State University COWARDS

[WSUCougar]

Ohio State, previously on WSU’s schedule in 2009, has cancelled the game, which was a return engagement for the Cougars’ trip to Columbus in 2002. No reason was given in the WSU release for the Buckeyes' about face. OSU officials have indicated they would pay a penalty to cancel the contract.
You damn well better pay a penalty. Pusses.

[Ksyrup]

OSU...the Auburn of the North.

[Butter]

It's all about money. And the fact that if OSU is going to play a road game, they would like it to be against a marquee opponent.

[KWhit]

Doesn't Ohio State usually have around 10 home games a season?

[Ksyrup]

It's all about money. And the fact that if OSU is going to play a road game, they would like it to be against a marquee opponent.
And what about their opponent and the money they were going to get out of this game did they not know when they signed the contract?

[Toddzilla]

Good lord, the whole Big 10 is full of pussy schools who back out of contracts. Ohio State, Michicken, and Wisconsin all backed out of agreements for a series with Virginia Tech, Wisky even had the series signed and scheduled before cancelling. Penn State won't even pick up the phone.

[VPI97]

Good lord, the whole Big 10 is full of pussy schools who back out of contracts. Ohio State, Michicken, and Wisconsin all backed out of agreements for a series with Virginia Tech, Wisky even had the series signed and scheduled before cancelling. Penn State won't even pick up the phone.Yep...I don't have much respect for some of the Big 10 schools after the history we've had with trying to schedule those teams.

[Butter]

And what about their opponent and the money they were going to get out of this game did they not know when they signed the contract?

This kind of thing happens all the time, I don't really get all up in arms when other schools do it either. Just not a big priority on my "sports anger" list.

[KWhit]

The Big 11 sucks balls.

(Just trying to add some insightful commentary to this thread).

[WSUCougar]

It's all about money. And the fact that if OSU is going to play a road game, they would like it to be against a marquee opponent.
When was the last time Ohio State played a so-called "marquee opponent" on the road? Quick check of schedules back to 2000 shows that outside of the Big Ten schedule, OSU has travelled:

2005: Nowhere
2004: at NC State
2003: Nowhere
2002: at Cincinnati
2001: at UCLA (hardly marquee at the time) (and you still lost)
2000: at Arizona (when they sucked)

Cowards.

[Butter]

NC State was good when they were scheduled. Playing Texas next year. More than I can say for most top programs, really.

And that Cincinnati game was more like a neutral site game anyway, since they moved it to the Bengals home field and sold it out.

Maybe WSU could try being halfway decent for more than 1 year in a row and maybe they'll re-schedule for 2014 or something.

[Ksyrup]

This kind of thing happens all the time, I don't really get all up in arms when other schools do it either. Just not a big priority on my "sports anger" list.
Well, I think it's a shitty thing to do to the other team, because depending on how much time they've got to schedule a different opponent, you've essentially left them with nothing to choose from but shitty I-A teams who don't mind travelling or I-AA schools which, even if they are top of the heap, still look bad on your schedule.

Here, at least they gave them a few years' notice, but most out of conference games are scheduled 5-10 years in advance anyway, so there'll be some disadvantage to WSU. And of course, the idea that OSU got their home game out of the relationship then reneged on the road game, is pretty lame. I guess the lesson is to insist on the road game first, or schedule the two game in back-to-back years so they don't have the luxury of sitting around to assess your prgram 5 years later and canceling the contract for a nominal fee.

Still, it's a shitty practice.

[Passacaglia]

Good lord, the whole Big 10 is full of pussy schools who back out of contracts. Ohio State, Michicken, and Wisconsin all backed out of agreements for a series with Virginia Tech, Wisky even had the series signed and scheduled before cancelling. Penn State won't even pick up the phone.

There's a big difference between backing out of a series, or not picking up the phone (whatever that means), and cancelling a road game after the home game has been played.

[WSUCougar]

Maybe WSU could try being halfway decent for more than 1 year in a row and maybe they'll re-schedule for 2014 or something.
Why, so they can back out of that one, too?

Maybe we could get more wins if we scheduled seven or eight home games like OSU. Oh wait...that's right. Teams like OSU are cowards so they won't travel to Pullman.

[Butter]

Maybe we could get more wins if we scheduled seven or eight home games like OSU. Oh wait...that's right. Teams like OSU are cowards so they won't travel to Pullman.

OK. I seriously doubt 11 home games would help WSU get much above 6-5 though.

[VPI97]

OK. I seriously doubt 11 home games would help WSU get much above 6-5 though.Maybe they should start paying their players and scheduling them third grade classes like Ohio State...that seems to be the way to get up to the talent level of the mighty buckeyes.

[Ksyrup]

OK. I seriously doubt 11 home games would help WSU get much above 6-5 though.
Jeez, get over your superiority complex, or I'll just have to add this as another reason I hope OSU goes the route of Nebraska.

[Butter]

Jeez, get over your superiority complex, or I'll just have to add this as another reason I hope OSU goes the route of Nebraska.

You'll be one of millions.

I just thought we were having some trash talk in here... I'm not really pissed at WSU or his post or anything. I see where he's coming from.

[WSUCougar]

OK. I seriously doubt 11 home games would help WSU get much above 6-5 though.
2001: 10-2
2002: 10-3 (includes loss AT Ohio State, and future champ Oklahoma in Rose Bowl)
2003: 10-3 (includes loss AT Notre Dame)

Anyone:
Do # of home vs. away games affect the BCS standings?

[cartman]

When was the last time Ohio State played a so-called "marquee opponent" on the road? Quick check of schedules back to 2000 shows that outside of the Big Ten schedule, OSU has travelled:

2005: Nowhere
2004: at NC State
2003: Nowhere
2002: at Cincinnati
2001: at UCLA (hardly marquee at the time) (and you still lost)
2000: at Arizona (when they sucked)

Cowards.

Well, they are coming to Austin this year.

[Ksyrup]

Well, they are coming to Austin this year.See, they scheduled the games back-to-back and OSU didn't have enough time to back out.

[Klinglerware]

Do # of home vs. away games affect the BCS standings?

Probably only indirectly: via computer rankings that factor home field (if there are any) and perception of the poll voters...

[Butter]

See, they scheduled the games back-to-back and OSU didn't have enough time to back out.

At least OSU doesn't schedule I-AA teams like FSU does every year. I mean really, The Citadel? And they were losing that game at one point too.

[WSUCougar]

I just thought we were having some trash talk in here... I'm not really pissed at WSU or his post or anything. I see where he's coming from.
I'm not pissed, either. I just think you are wrong, and the Buckeyes are cowards. :D

[Butter]

Maybe they should start paying their players and scheduling them third grade classes like Ohio State...that seems to be the way to get up to the talent level of the mighty buckeyes.

Hey, I missed this one.

But I think the VPI head coach needs the extra home games so he can afford a surgery to get that giant pocket of skin off his neck. Seriously. That thing is almost big enough to be an extra person.

[VPI97]

But I think the VPI head coach needs the extra home games so he can afford a surgery to get that giant pocket of skin off his neck. Seriously. That thing is almost big enough to be an extra person.Classy.

[Ksyrup]

At least OSU doesn't schedule I-AA teams like FSU does every year. I mean really, The Citadel? And they were losing that game at one point too.
Ha! I was waiting for that. We had to schedule The Citadel last year because we lost Miami as an out-of-conference game with less than a year's notice. And this year, it's Troy, Rice, and Western Michigan (and Florida, of course). Which is precisely why I've taken up the fight on this issue in this thread, because we've had to deal with this not just because of the Miami situation, but also when Auburn pulled out of a contract with us after they fired Terry Bowden. We had to add Louisiana Tech for 1999, BYU for 2000, UAB for 2001, and Iowa State for 2002.

Not to mention, pretty much everyone knows FSU took on all comers for years under Bowden, which is how we made our mark in the 80s. Just look at the in-state rivalries - we're the only team that plays both of the significant teams in the state (Miami and Florida). Those wimps refuse to play each other. In 2007, we've got Colorado and Alabama. And we have Oklahoma in 2010 and 2011.

So...what's your excuse?

[Butter]

So...what's your excuse?

Far as I could tell, OSU has always scheduled a mostly patsy OOC schedule with maybe one tough home or road game thrown in. And then in the late 90's, they started taking a lot of flack for never playing any in-state schools and depriving them of the road team payday... so now the OOC schedule looks like we're fighting for the MAC title most years.

I would personally much rather have a tougher OOC schedule than what they schedule... but at least they are playing one usually tough OOC team a year. Frankly, as an arrogant OSU fan, I wish we would play a strong SEC/ACC school in addition to a Big XII/Pac Ten school OOC every year, just to whip them and prove our superiority. But it doesn't always happen that way, and OSU frankly needs the cash from the home games to keep all the other 87 sports afloat.

[Ksyrup]

Too bad we didn't schedule OSU back in the early 90s when we laid a beat-down on Michigan. I was actually new to Florida and not even living here back then, so I was rooting for Michigan at the time. Now, I'd like FSU to get the program straightened out before taking on an OSU-type team.

[JeeberD]

Rice

[Texas fans]
Hey, man, Rice has Major Applewhite now. They're gonna KICK. YOUR. ASS!
[/Texas fans]

[SnDvls]

and OSU frankly needs the cash from the home games to keep all the other 87 sports afloat.

this I find hard to believe. Their alumni funding on sports alone is in the upper 10-15 of all NCAA programs. I'll find my numbers tonight and post what it is.

[Butter]

this I find hard to believe. Their alumni funding on sports alone is in the upper 10-15 of all NCAA programs. I'll find my numbers tonight and post what it is.

Look, we were doing so well with mere conjecture and insults in this thread. Why bring in facts to sully it?

[SnDvls]

Look, we were doing so well with mere conjecture and insults in this thread. Why bring in facts to sully it?

lol :D

[SnDvls]

dola - I'm still bitter about the 1997 Rose Bowl

[WSUCougar]

dola - I'm still bitter about the 1997 Rose Bowl
Funny...I'm still bitter about the 1998 Rose Bowl...but that was against Michigan. :p

[Butter]

dola - I'm still bitter about the 1997 Rose Bowl

That was a freaking awesome game. That and the Nat'l Champ. game (duh) are the 2 greatest Buckeye games I've ever watched.

[MrBigglesworth]

Penn State won't even pick up the phone.
PSU just played a home and home with Nebraska and is playing at Notre Dame this coming season. It's tough to give up 110k tickets though.

[Poli]

See, they scheduled the games back-to-back and OSU didn't have enough time to back out.
Give it time. There's still time left in the day.

[finketr]

Ha! I was waiting for that. We had to schedule The Citadel last year because we lost Miami as an out-of-conference game with less than a year's notice.


r-i-i-i-ight...

FSU didn't know the plan of destruction for the Big East football conference before it happened..

[Poli]

Big what conference?

[kingnebwsu]

OSU-haters make me laugh. And a home&home with Texas is a pretty big deal. Shrug.

[duckman]

And people think OU fans are pricks :rolleyes: ;)

[HerRealName]

My guess is that WSU was dropped because of a game at Washington a couple years earlier but I think it sucks. There's no good reason to back out like that. Here's a farily impressive list of future Ohio State opponents:

2006 - @ Texas
2007 - Syracuse and @ Washington (I know, but they were good when they were scheduled)
2008 - @ USC
2009 - USC
2010 - Miami (Fl) and @ Syracuse
2011 - @ Miami (Fl)
2012 & 2013 - Cal
2014 & 2015 - Virginia Tech

[Ksyrup]

r-i-i-i-ight...

FSU didn't know the plan of destruction for the Big East football conference before it happened..
How exactly do you schedule a game that you don't know you have room for without official confirmation that the Big East/ACC thing was a done deal? give me a break. You know full well that the Big East thing was far from a done deal, with threatened lawsuits and proposed realignment being put off for a couple of years. There's only so much you can do to protect yourself. I seriously doubt FSU could have called up USC, say, and asked them to hold a spot open on the next year's schedule just in case Miami was able to break free of the Big East. remember, FSU/Miami is a yearly deal - they don't have to plan a contract years out, they were a given on each other's schedule every year.

[gstelmack]

2006 - @ Texas
2007 - Syracuse and @ Washington (I know, but they were good when they were scheduled)
2008 - @ USC
2009 - USC
2010 - Miami (Fl) and @ Syracuse
2011 - @ Miami (Fl)
2012 & 2013 - Cal
2014 & 2015 - Virginia TechBut they've already dropped one from that list http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/wink.gif

[HerRealName]

But they've already dropped one from that list

I knew that was coming yet I still haven't been able to think of a comeback, :)

[Tigercat]

Virginia Tech shouldn't be talking smack about teams backing out of contractual return games.

[Toddzilla]

Virginia Tech shouldn't be talking smack about teams backing out of contractual return games.Touche. Actually, didn't VT reschedule the game and not back out completely? I know a trip down to Baton Rouge is at the top of most Hokie Fan's wish list, so I'd be real disappointed if VT pulled a "Buckeye" on the series.

[Tigercat]

Yup, the return is there. So I wasn't really slamming VT, there are much worse things than backing out and then later rescheduling for down the road. (Such as backing out alltogether.)

[Samdari]

This kind of thing happens all the time, I don't really get all up in arms when other schools do it either. Just not a big priority on my "sports anger" list.

It does not happen all the time, maybe one game being cancelled every three years.

But, I will say I don't think this is for cowardice, I think its pure greed. A home game against our ladies of the poor (or Syracuse, who is desperately trying to find a game, anywhere, likely without a return required) will net them more money, even after the penalty, than they would get for going to WSU.

[MrBigglesworth]

It does not happen all the time, maybe one game being cancelled every three years.
LaTech backed out of a game this coming year with PSU, so they had to schedule Youngstown St.

Now that I think about it, Penn St. always has a home and home: Miami in 2000-01, VA 01-02, then Nebraska 02-03, BC 03-04, now ND 06-07, Syracuse 08-09, Bama 10-11.

[Chubby]

LaTech backed out of a game this coming year with PSU, so they had to schedule Youngstown St.

Now that I think about it, Penn St. always has a home and home: Miami in 2000-01, VA 01-02, then Nebraska 02-03, BC 03-04, now ND 06-07, Syracuse 08-09, Bama 10-11.
Gee, PSU only dodged us (SU) for what, 20 years? Big shocker that JoePa will be gone by the time we finally play each other again.

[MrBigglesworth]

Gee, PSU only dodged us (SU) for what, 20 years? Big shocker that JoePa will be gone by the time we finally play each other again.
Penn State has always feared the mighty Orangemen, and chose to schedule patsies like Miami, Nebraska, and Notre Dame instead.

[Chubby]

Penn State has always feared the mighty Orangemen, and chose to schedule patsies like Miami, Nebraska, and Notre Dame instead.
You do realize that they had a long running rivalry until SU actually started winning and then for some odd reason, PSU wouldn't play us anymore. Miami, Nebraska and ND are all recent (last 5 years tops) and future opponents. Nice try tho.

[sovereignstar]

Gee, PSU only dodged us (SU) for what, 20 years? Big shocker that JoePa will be gone by the time we finally play each other again.

Personally, I think it's the orange. Did you guys know that Syracuse is the only school in the country that has orange as its official color???

[Huckleberry]

There are only so many non-conference games per year. You can't schedule everyone. Or else I get to complain about how Michigan has been dodging Texas for 113 years.

Sucks that the Buckeyes backed out of the WSU game. Not cool. Not quite as bad as when we backed out of a trip to Hawaii. Hilarity ensued. June Jones said we were scared of playing his team. Then our AD claimed it was because of high jet fuel costs. Ha. As if we couldn't afford the flight. Texas. Good one.

[Chubby]

Personally, I think it's the orange. Did you guys know that Syracuse is the only school in the country that has orange as its official color???
I friggin hated that PR crap when they changed. Personally, they should go back to Orangemen and bring back the Saltine Warrior just to piss people off...

[JeeberD]

I thought that UT has it's own private oil field that pumps out oil used specifically for the football team's plane... ;)

[tucker342]

Same shit happened to Iowa... back when Iowa was awful, a home and home was scheduled with Missouri. Of course once Iowa started winning, Missouri backed out. The first game was supposed to be this past season, but because Missouri backed out Iowa was forced to play UNI. If you agree to a game, fuckin' play it.

[Poli]

The almighty buck is a powerful decision maker.

[Buccaneer]

I friggin hated that PR crap when they changed. Personally, they should go back to Orangemen and bring back the Saltine Warrior just to piss people off...
Hell, they should have Jim Brown, Larry Csonka and Floyd Little do a lemonparty at halftime and that would still be better than what they have now.

[MrBigglesworth]

You do realize that they had a long running rivalry until SU actually started winning and then for some odd reason, PSU wouldn't play us anymore. Miami, Nebraska and ND are all recent (last 5 years tops) and future opponents. Nice try tho.
From my understanding, Penn State had won 18 out of the last 20 meetings and offered Syracuse a 10 year contract, with 6 out of the ten being at Beaver Stadium. Syracuse refused, on the basis that they were on the same level as Penn State. Over the next 10 years, Syracuse finished in the top ten only once compared to PSU's 4 times and averaged about half of PSU's attendance.

In 1991 PSU played Georgia Tech, BYU, Miami, Notre Dame, BC, and USC. In 1992 they played Miami, BYU, ND, Pitt, and BC. In 1993 they joined the Big Ten (Michigan, tOSU, etc) and scheduled USC for good measure. But they were scared to play the Orangemen, I guess.

[HerRealName]

But they've already dropped one from that list http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/wink.gif

Uh, about that Syracuse series...yeah, doesn't look like that is going to happen either. :(

[Butter]

It does not happen all the time, maybe one game being cancelled every three years.

Reading all of the examples in this thread, I don't think it is one every 3 years. Maybe that's how many it is per team, but certainly not just one rescheduling overall every 3 years.