Maryland Terrapins Lose with class

[Easy Mac]

Yeah, I made that up. Gary Williams may be the biggest whiner in the NCAA. He turns down an NIT bid because you're upset your team didn't make the NCAA's? Maybe you should have done a better coaching job instead of crying every chance you get. At least his administration had enough sense to agree to play in the NIT.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/bal-sp.steele13mar13,0,4219602.column?coll=bal-home-columnists

[Subby]

Yeah the NIT is a big fucking fudge sundae. W00t!

I am shocked that he wasn't really geekd up for it.

[Samdari]

He is an idiot. Everyone saying Maryland had a chance to make the tourney was deluding themselves. The team they would have sent to the tournament was 5-9 with 3 wins vs GT. They had no prayer.

And lord does he whine. Good coaches look forward to the NIT as a chance to keep practicing and playing and a chance to get some younger players some playing time.

[VPI97]

Duke fan talking about whiners.


LOL

[Radii]

turning down a bid is stupid. Maryland scheduled tough, but they only won one tough game, BC months ago. A couple of teams with lower RPIs got in as at large teams, Seton Hall jumps out, but look at their wins, Pitt, W Virginia, NC State, Syracuse...

Alabama also had a lower RPI but they beat Tennessee and Florida in their last 10.


It really pisses me off when a coach or a school does this. You're coaching a bunch of kids that love basketball. Make your points about the schedule you played, but your kids get the chance to play some more, take advantage of it.

[Radii]

dola, I should point out that I like Maryland quite a bit and love seeing them do well whenever they're not playing UNC.

[Drake]

Gary Williams can be as pissed off as he wants to be, but ultimately, he needs to remember that he works for the university, and the NIT dollars (though less) still spend the same as NCAA dollars. Deciding to dump an invitation because of a perceived snub doesn't sit well with politicians deciding how much tax money to give your university, I'd imagine.

[JPhillips]

Drake: The NIT actually pays in Canadien dollars.

[Drake]

With so much at stake for players, coaches and programs, some accountability is needed. Maybe some will come soon. Maybe the news that the Terps were all set to stay home will produce some clarity.

Ah, when all else fails, blame a conspiracy and call for more government oversight.

[Drake]

Drake: The NIT actually pays in Canadien dollars.

Canadian dollars now spend roughly the same as American dollars, or so my Canadian friends have been happy to inform me.

Which sucks, because that was about half of my Canadian material.

[Ksyrup]

When Maryland came to Tallahassee a couple of weeks ago (a game in which FSU kicked Maryland's ass, BTW), my assistant nearly ran Gary Williams over outside of the hotel.

Not that that has anything to do with anything, but I thought it might be of interest. We were joking about what the headlines would read: "FSU student runs over Maryland coach hours before game."

[Simms]

Which sucks, because that was about half of my Canadian material.

No worries Drake...you still have Bryan Adams.

[bbor]

No worries Drake...you still have Bryan Adams.

Sure Simms.....stoke the fire:D

[SackAttack]

Yeah, I made that up. Gary Williams may be the biggest whiner in the NCAA. He turns down an NIT bid because you're upset your team didn't make the NCAA's? Maybe you should have done a better coaching job instead of crying every chance you get. At least his administration had enough sense to agree to play in the NIT.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/bal-sp.steele13mar13,0,4219602.column?coll=bal-home-columnists

What makes this even better is he was denigrating the Missouri Valley Conference, saying "they aren't banging the door down to play in the ACC."

That triggered a flood of calls (which he apparently hasn't been answering) of MVC schools "banging the door down" to play Maryland.

He talks a big game, but that's really all it is.

[Drake]

No worries Drake...you still have Bryan Adams.

I have gone on the record - and will go on the record again here - stating that Reckless was one of the Top 20 albums of the 1980's and my personal soundtrack for all memories originating in 1984/5.

[Neuqua]

I'm really really really hoping the MVC has a strong showing this tournament to shut up all the naysayers. Packer, Nantz, Williams.

[cuervo72]

No worries Drake...you still have Bryan Adams.

Hah, I'm four hours late on the thread, but that was my first thought. Of course, you can counter with the list of Canadian playmates.

[miami_fan]

I'm really really really hoping the MVC has a strong showing this tournament to shut up all the naysayers. Packer, Nantz, Williams.

I would rather see the middle level ACC/Big East/Big Ten teams play the MVC

I have not heard any complaints from the middle teams in the Pac 10, Big 12 or Conference USA so I did not include them in the mix.

[jamesUMD]

As a Terp Alum I do have to agree that Gary should have kept his mouth shut and should just cut his losses. He always has been a screamer and after that BC game there was no way he should have thought they would make it.

What he needs to concentrate on is some freaking recruiting. Am I the only Terps fan that is scared to death to look at this team next year?

By the way Duke still sucks!!!!

[Crapshoot]

As a Terp Alum I do have to agree that Gary should have kept his mouth shut and should just cut his losses. He always has been a screamer and after that BC game there was no way he should have thought they would make it.

What he needs to concentrate on is some freaking recruiting. Am I the only Terps fan that is scared to death to look at this team next year?

By the way Duke still sucks!!!!

To steal a JIMGA phrase - I don't have a bone to pick in this fight, but at least Duke fans don't taunt a guy by making lewd remarks about his 12 year old sister - like the Maryland fans did to Redick. There's something to be said for class.

[Neuqua]

I actually would not be surprised if Duke fans did end up doing things like that.

[jamesUMD]

To steal a JIMGA phrase - I don't have a bone to pick in this fight, but at least Duke fans don't taunt a guy by making lewd remarks about his 12 year old sister - like the Maryland fans did to Redick. There's something to be said for class.

It's a rivalry and I'm afraid I must be the broaching uncharted territory, but they happen. I say "Duke sucks" and you bring up MD fans, as though every person that is a MD fan must be rude and obnoxious because the fans (students @ the games mind you) have a lack of decorum.

I agree that the student section @ home games can get way out of hand and can become totally tasteless. In my experience it was generally isolated to that section. I think it's a bit extreme to make that broad of a generalization though.

Duke still sucks (directed to those who can take a competitve jab without acting like I kicked your dog)!!!!!:wink:

[Crapshoot]

Heck,
I'm a traitor - my sister goes to UNC :D.

I've just never understood the anti-Duke bit that many have- it always seems to be jealousy at a clean, fairly well run program, which graduates a pretty big chunk of its athelets from a top school (it isn't exactly the same as an Ohio St "Kinesology" degree).

[Neuqua]

Um. Clean program?

Mrs. Duhon probably agrees.

[MrBug708]

http://www.3dmk.com/document.warehouse/images/Humor/gwMD.jpg

[timmynausea]

Maryland Terrapins lose with class = Gary Williams drinks with classmates

[Easy Mac]

i like how he's eating a buffalo wing. I have a feeling that's a napkin in the person's other hand, but I also have a suspicion that it's a rice krispie treat.

[MrBug708]

Gary Williams was the opposing coach of the second biggest beatdown I have ever seen UCLA be apart of. I dont give Steve Lavin the coaching credit, but that was one hell of a NCAA tournament game way back then

[Radii]

It's a rivalry

Is it? I'm pretty sure there are 3 teams that Duke cares about beating a hell of a lot more than Maryland. I know, to Maryland, its a rivalry...

They had some incredible games and hopefully will have a few more. I wonder if Duke fans consider Florida State a bigger rivalry b/c of how tough a time Duke has had with them the past couple of years.

[JeeberD]

boobies!

[finkenst]

Heck,
I'm a traitor - my sister goes to UNC :D.

I've just never understood the anti-Duke bit that many have- it always seems to be jealousy at a clean, fairly well run program, which graduates a pretty big chunk of its athelets from a top school (it isn't exactly the same as an Ohio St "Kinesology" degree).

the same thing that makes notre dame a disliked football program.
:protest::cussing::thanks::knight::happyfly::skull::propeller::banghead::o:frown::wave::headphones::mummy::baseball:

[wade moore]

Is it? I'm pretty sure there are 3 teams that Duke cares about beating a hell of a lot more than Maryland. I know, to Maryland, its a rivalry...

They had some incredible games and hopefully will have a few more. I wonder if Duke fans consider Florida State a bigger rivalry b/c of how tough a time Duke has had with them the past couple of years.

Not a Maryland fan, but I like to see them do well because I grew up in the DC Area...

Umm...

Have you looked at the Maryland Vs. Duke games in the last few years?

2005-2006 88-96 L, 52-76 L
2004-2005 75-66 W, 99-92
2003-2004 60-68 L, 86-63 W, 95-87 W
2002-2003 87-72 W, 70-75 L

In that same time, FSU has 2 wins against Duke, one this year, one in 2002-2003.

[CraigSca]

I'm actually glad that Williams attempted to turn down the NIT bid. The fact is, the NIT is a huge disappointment for the second year in a row. Both he and the team came up short this year, and they don't deserve to play in a post-season tournament. Perhaps hanging out on campus during the spring semester rather than playing in a second-rate tournament will help them all focus and live up to their potential.

[Samdari]

Both he and the team came up short this year, and they don't deserve to play in a post-season tournament.

True, but the NCAA bribed them with the way out of whack #1 seed, and the three home games that promises.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

I've just never understood the anti-Duke bit that many have- it always seems to be jealousy at a clean, fairly well run program, which graduates a pretty big chunk of its athelets from a top school (it isn't exactly the same as an Ohio St "Kinesology" degree).

Oh mercy! I don't think you have a very good idea of what goes on at Duke if you think they have a clean program. I have a good friend in the Mizzou program that worked closely with Quin Snyder's coaching staff. After Mizzou went on NCAA probation for recruiting and reimbursement violations, Quin privately said that he didn't do anything differently than what he did as an assistant on Coach Eyechart's staff at Duke. The difference? It's Duke.

[Radii]

Umm...

Have you looked at the Maryland Vs. Duke games in the last few years?


Well, yeah, but I didn't realize FSU had only beaten Duke twice in recent years. And maybe that underscores my point, the Duke fans I know talk about the florida state game and talk about FSU as an unusual(and unexplained) nemesis because of how much Duke has struggled vs them in recent years. I never really hear that before the Maryland game, and my perception is that Duke fans look at ACC rivalries in the following order:

UNC
NC State
Wake Forest
Florida State
Maryland

That's not meant as a slam against Maryland at all, and perhaps to the players and coaches that's not really how it is, but that's how I perceive it from talking to some of my buddies back home that either go to/went to Duke or are lifelong duke fans.

[wade moore]

If that is the case, it's just silly.... Here are the records over the last 4 years:

UNC 6-3
NC State 6-2
Wake Forest 6-3
Florida State 6-2
Maryland 5-4

Again, I'm not a Maryland fan... but I've heard several various schools in the nation who pull this "you think we're rivals, but we're not" stuff and it annoys me... Maryland has clearly played them the tightest over the last 4 years...

[CraigSca]

Yeah, I'll take being overlooked if we continue to beat them about half the time :).

[wade moore]

BTW - that's Duke's record against those teams, not the other way around.

[Butter]

it always seems to be jealousy at a clean, fairly well run program

Just because they haven't been caught doesn't mean they're clean.

[timmyw3]

You won’t find a bigger Terps fan than me but I for one hoped that they would turn down the bid for the simple fact that I can’t stomach seeing this group of players play one more game. It was reported that GW asked all of the players if they wanted to play in the NIT and none of them did. Based on that alone, I wouldn’t be surprised if Manhattan beat them on Saturday.

[Radii]

Again, I'm not a Maryland fan... but I've heard several various schools in the nation who pull this "you think we're rivals, but we're not" stuff and it annoys me... Maryland has clearly played them the tightest over the last 4 years...


But a rivalry is based on a hell of a lot more than 4 years of history, isn't it? FSU I can see, though again I'm basing my comments on discussions with Duke fans, but obviously an irrelevantly small sampling of Duke fans, I could be way off on that :)

[wade moore]

But a rivalry is based on a hell of a lot more than 4 years of history, isn't it? FSU I can see, though again I'm basing my comments on discussions with Duke fans, but obviously an irrelevantly small sampling of Duke fans, I could be way off on that :)

It is based on more than 4 years.. I picked that because it is what is easily accessible on ESPN.Com..

That being said, i consider UNC-Duke to be the biggest rivalry there... and then Maryland-Duke and NC State-Duke to be similar.. I don't see How NC State or Wake figure in..

And that's growing up in Virginia smack dab in the middle of Maryland and Duke.

[Samdari]

Again, I'm not a Maryland fan... but I've heard several various schools in the nation who pull this "you think we're rivals, but we're not" stuff and it annoys me... Maryland has clearly played them the tightest over the last 4 years...

Which has nothing to do with them being Duke's rival. It takes more than playing someone often and well to do that. They have 3 schools that they played every year for 40 + years and are all within 15 miles or so. You can't tell me that Maryland playing well against them in a 3 or 4 year has become more important to Duke fans (who really determine rivalries) than beating UNC or NC State or Wake.

[timmyw3]

The ACC determined that Maryland/Duke is a rivalry as they will be guaranteed to play each other twice a year. Maryland other "rival" is Virginia. Duke's is obviously UNC.

The Duke/Maryland rivalry will never be as big as Duke/UNC, that is for certain. Maryland just doesn't have anyone close in proximity and prestige to have a similar rivalry.

But to say that Maryland/Duke is not a rivalry is absurd. It's easy for the Duke snobs to say that now because Maryland is down but there have been some very memorable and important games between the 2 in the past 25 years. It actually all started when Kenny Dennard undercut Buck Williams as he was going up for a game winning putback at the buzzer in the 1980 ACC Tournament championship. Maryland got some redmeption in 1984 when the beat Duke in the ACC final.

The post-Bias, pre-GW years were forgetful but since then they met in a Final Four (which was probably the worst officiated basketball game I've seen in my life), had the game in CP when MD blew a double digit lead in 54 seconds and lost, and most recently the Terps beat Duke in the ACC final 2 years ago. Add that to the water bottle incident with Mrs. Boozer, the F you JJ chant (which is really no worse than many other schools but since it was MD/Duke and the best shooter who ever lived it got blown out of proportion), and the fact that over the past 10 years these schools have been among the best in the conference and there is certainly a rivalry there.

[st.cronin]

I lived in North Carolina during the 90s, and, at least at that time, it seemed that Duke-Maryland was one of the biggest rivalries in college basketball.

[BishopMVP]

Just because they haven't been caught doesn't mean they're clean.Correction: Just because they haven't been punished doesn't mean they're clean.

Check out the circumstances and punishment surrounding Corey Maggette if you have any doubt about the NCAA double standard.

[TroyF]

Just a throw in here.

Shane Battier is the spokesman for our company. When I was in Memphis for training we went to see the Grizz play the TWolves (in what would be Wally's last game as a TWolve by the way) and we had a chance to meet Shane after the game.

I don't like Duke and the Grizz and Nuggets have had some pretty heated games the last few years (with the Nuggets winning almost all of the time). Still, he was very classy and spent some time answering a lot of questions.

One of the questions was "What was the most difficult team you faced in college?"

His answer was Maryland and he elaborated that during his time the team geared up for and looked forward to all of their games with the terps almost as much as the Carolina games. (note: ALMOST as much) :)

[Radii]

One of the questions was "What was the most difficult team you faced in college?"

His answer was Maryland and he elaborated that during his time the team geared up for and looked forward to all of their games with the terps almost as much as the Carolina games. (note: ALMOST as much) :)


Very interesting stuff.

[OldGiants]

Anyone who has Comcast has to hate the Turdles after the way Comcast sports fawns over Fat Fuck Friedgen's atrocious football team and Whining William's future flunkouts.

[Drake]

Anyone who has Comcast has to hate the Turdles after the way Comcast sports fawns over Fat Fuck Friedgen's atrocious football team and Whining William's future flunkouts.

Turdles. Heh.

[MrBug708]

Digger Phelps beat John Wooden once and proclaimed him as an equal. Steve Lavin also called himself a good coach.

Just because one person says it, doesnt mean it is true

[MylesKnight]

The Triple F comment is rude... But the way it reads is a bit funny. FFF. :)

[miami_fan]

Manhattan is absolutely unconscious from behind the arc.

[Oilers9911]

Oh mercy! I don't think you have a very good idea of what goes on at Duke if you think they have a clean program. I have a good friend in the Mizzou program that worked closely with Quin Snyder's coaching staff. After Mizzou went on NCAA probation for recruiting and reimbursement violations, Quin privately said that he didn't do anything differently than what he did as an assistant on Coach Eyechart's staff at Duke. The difference? It's Duke.

I have a friend that knows a friend that has a third cousin that says Coach K hires prostitutes. Please. And yes Quinn Snyder is a very reliable source. :rolleyes: