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MylesKnight
03-15-2006, 06:28 PM
Funny article from the Orlando Sentinel.. A member of the BCS Cartel whining about fairness.. :D


COMMENTARY

No free pass for big schools into NCAA tourney
Mike Bianchi
SPORTS COMMENTARY

March 15, 2006

Forgive Dave Hart.

He cannot help who he is.

He is an athletic director at a football school who doesn't get why the NCAA basketball tournament isn't run like the Bowl Championship Series. He doesn't quite grasp why the six BCS power leagues don't get a free pass into the NCAA Tournament like they do into major bowl games.

"If the agendas have become more political in nature then somebody needs to step up and admit it," said Hart, the Florida State AD who seems to think the mid-major conferences conspired to keep his Seminoles out of the NCAA Tournament.

Can you say Cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs? Can you believe we are actually hearing a respected athletic director at a big BCS school claiming that there is an unjust system in place that rewards the small schools?

Everybody all at once now: Awww, those poor big schools!

Let me say this: I disagree with Florida State's exclusion from the NCAA Tournament and thought the Seminoles did enough to merit an invitation. But, please, stop the ridiculous rhetoric about how these poor, mistreated big conferences are being ganged-up on by those mean ol' mid-majors. That's as silly as the pitbull owner complaining about the vicious, bloodthirsty chihuahua that lives next door. Everybody knows the mid-majors have been getting shafted for years in football and basketball.

Incredibly, Hart called a news conference Monday to protest the inordinate amount of mid-majors receiving bids. That's not only ludicrous, it's misleading. Major conferences received 26 at-large bids this year. Only eight went to mid-majors.

I might have been willing to pay more attention to such nonsense if Hart had called a similar news conference last December after his football team won the ACC with a pedestrian 8-4 record and announced: "We haven't earned the right to go to the Orange Bowl to get paid $15 million. We're giving our bid to TCU, a deserving mid-major team that finished the season 10-1."

That would never happen because the BCS boys have an arrogant sense of entitlement. The power leagues control the lucrative football postseason and it's driving them nuts that they can't get their grubby little mitts on every penny of the basketball billions, too.

We can only pray that the NCAA Tournament -- the most exciting and inspirational postseason in all of sports -- never mimics the BCS -- the most inept and corrupt postseason in all of sports. Just because BCS conferences have seven bowl tie-ins and can get their football teams into the postseason with mediocre records and weak non-conference schedules doesn't mean it should be the same in basketball.

Hart and FSU basketball Coach Leonard Hamilton knew their non-conference schedule would be a major criterion considered by the selection committee. Still, the Seminoles' non-conference schedule was ranked 316th out of 334 teams. Why? Because Hamilton admitted he didn't think he would have a very good team and scheduled sure wins to give his players confidence. Hamilton made a conscious decision and knew the potential consequences.

"It seems some people in automatic-qualifying BCS conferences feel that their basketball programs should get the same treatment as their football teams," says Mountain West Conference Commissioner Craig Thompson, former NCAA Tournament Selection Committee chairman. "Basketball's different. In basketball, the postseason is open for everybody and the teams that have had the best seasons generally get in."

This is why we love the NCAA Tournament so vehemently.

This is why we hate the BCS so violently.

This is why Dave Hart is Cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs.

Mike Bianchi can be reached at [email protected].

Franklinnoble
03-15-2006, 06:53 PM
Excellent article. That's the best part of March Madness, is seeing the little schools get a shot at the big show.

Young Drachma
03-15-2006, 07:16 PM
Good stuff.

Dr. Sak
03-15-2006, 08:14 PM
I'd love to see some of these Non-BCS schools play a season in the ACC or Big East and see how they would fair. My guess that if Cincy or Wake Forest was in one of the smaller conferences they would have won enough to make the tourney.

Neuqua
03-15-2006, 08:27 PM
They have it their way in football and now they want it their way in basketball too.

Sak, it's not an even playing field though. Cincy and Wake have much higher athletic budgets because of the BCS money pouring in. Their facilities are better, they can pay more for coaches, etc. It's not an even playground. Even with that, I do think the top teams in the MVC can compete (read: not win) some of the so called BCS conferences. And I consider that a remarkable feat in its own right.

miami_fan
03-15-2006, 08:33 PM
I'd love to see some of these Non-BCS schools play a season in the ACC or Big East and see how they would fair. My guess that if Cincy or Wake Forest was in one of the smaller conferences they would have won enough to make the tourney.

Cincy was in one of those "smaller" conferences last year.

Galaxy
03-15-2006, 08:35 PM
Cincy was in one of those "smaller" conferences last year.


The C-USA is surely a step above of the MVC, ect. It may not be the ACC or whatever, but it still is a big conference.

Dr. Sak
03-15-2006, 08:42 PM
I agree with the uneven playing field but if you win and consistantly put a winning team on the court/field year after year the money and recruits will come. Look at the Zags, they are a perfect example. They made a few runs and now kids want to go there. No one said it is easy work but that is one way for them to level the playing field.

Another way is to start playing these school and beating them. They might have to do it away from their home court but when they do that will open the eyes of a lot of so called experts.

If I am not mistaken the NCAA tourney is suppose to have the 65 best teams give or take the conference tourney shoe ins. You cant tell me that some of those schools in the mid to bottom half that might not play in the tourney because of their tougher conference schedule arent better than some 3rd place team in a Mid-Major that get in because of their softer competiton? I am all for the feel good story of the smaller schools getting their shot at the so called bigger schools. But they have to earn it too, it shouldn't be just handed because the NCAA needs to keep the mid-majors happy.

miami_fan
03-15-2006, 09:29 PM
But what if the bigger schools don't want to play the mid majors. This is directly from the article

Hart and FSU basketball Coach Leonard Hamilton knew their non-conference schedule would be a major criterion considered by the selection committee. Still, the Seminoles' non-conference schedule was ranked 316th out of 334 teams. Why? Because Hamilton admitted he didn't think he would have a very good team and scheduled sure wins to give his players confidence. Hamilton made a conscious decision and knew the potential consequences.

So if these mid majors are not as good as those middle to bottom half of the major conferences, shouldn't they be scheduling those same mid majors to get "sure wins"? IMO this really should not be an issue for the teams in the bigger conferences. If Duke can find a way, despite playing in the ACC, to play a Texas, a Memphis, a Georgetown etc so can the other teams in the ACC. The other teams need to stop scheduling so many "sure wins" and schedule quality opponents that are appropriate of their big conference status.

EagleFan
03-15-2006, 10:46 PM
lol, I guess it's only "fair" when the rules work in your school's advantage (like when your football team should have been no where near a BCS bowl, hell they shouldn't even have been allowed to buy tickets to the game).

WVUFAN
03-16-2006, 12:19 AM
The C-USA is surely a step above of the MVC, ect. It may not be the ACC or whatever, but it still is a big conference.

These schools, like Cinci, made the choice to move to a bigger conference. They knew what they were getting into when they joined the Big East.

People are so excited about March Madness because anyone who had a good season has a chance, regardless of the conference. Too bad they don't recognize this in football. They need a playoff. Badly.

wade moore
03-16-2006, 05:04 AM
I'd love to see some of these Non-BCS schools play a season in the ACC or Big East and see how they would fair. My guess that if Cincy or Wake Forest was in one of the smaller conferences they would have won enough to make the tourney.

Do you actually watch any mid-major conferences play basketball?

This is a common mindset amongst folks that don't, and I just don't agree with it...

My guess is that if Wake were to play for instance in the CAA (because it's the conference I know) they would finish around 3 or 4 (which btw, would have them out of the tourney) losing 4 or 5 conference games... These mid-major conferences are much better than people realize... would these teams like Wake and Cincy do well? Yes. Would they dominate and go undefeated every season? Heck no.

Neuqua
03-16-2006, 06:14 AM
I certainly do not think Cincinnatti nor Wake Forest would be locks to win the MVC this year.

albionmoonlight
03-16-2006, 07:28 AM
No team that has been left out of the NCAA Tournament--from a BCS Conference or a non-BCS Conference--has anyone but themselves to blame. Win a few more games against quality competition, and you would have been in. You didn't. So stop whining. Put up on the court and shut up from the podium.

wade moore
03-16-2006, 07:43 AM
No team that has been left out of the NCAA Tournament--from a BCS Conference or a non-BCS Conference--has anyone but themselves to blame. Win a few more games against quality competition, and you would have been in. You didn't. So stop whining. Put up on the court and shut up from the podium.

Yup.. FWIW, I agree about the concept that the NCAA Tourney should reward great seasons over a team that may get 1 more win before they're out of the tourney than the team with a great season.

panerd
03-16-2006, 07:52 AM
I agree with the basic sentiment that if Cinci or FSU would have won a few more games they would have nothing to complain about. It's not like we are talking about top 25 teams here. With that said this whole love affair for the MVC boggles my mind. Before you even ask... Yes, I watch a lot of their games. Their season ending tournament was here in St. Louis (Arch Madness). And yes, IMO Cincinnati would not only win the MVC they would probably win it going away. I am certain that at least 3 of the 4 and maybe all four will be out after the first round. It's not like Billy Packer and company are saying that Mizzou or Baylor or Notre Dame should be in the tournament based on conference prestige alone. They are saying that Cincinnati should be in instead of Air Force or Bradley. And I happen to agree with them.

JeeberD
03-16-2006, 09:11 AM
I saw that on the UTEP board. What an utter crock of shit...

wade moore
03-16-2006, 09:15 AM
I saw that on the UTEP board. What an utter crock of shit...

I bet it's on all of the mid-major boards, as it was on the caazone also...