someone please tell me I played this hand correctly

[Lathum]

In the pokerstars million dollar prize pool tourny. Blinds are at 400-800. 5200 started and we are down to the final 900. Top 750 get paid. I am pretty short stacked with 6200. I am in the big blind so I am down to 5400 and I get dealt JJ. Big stack raised to 1800 and I move all in. He calls with AQ. Flop comes 3 4 5. King on the turn, 2 on the river giving him the straight and making me vomit in the process. I probably could have laid down the jacks and held on for the money, about $300 but I play to win. Someone please tell me I made the right play because right now I feel horrible.

[digamma]

I think you're happy to get into a race there.

[JS19]

I am by no means any kind of poker genius, but I say you made the right move. You said it best, play to win. Being short stacked I would say the hand was worth trying to doubleup on.

[Glengoyne]

Not too shabby. You certainly didn't make a wrong play by any means. I'll note that I don't consider this any kind of "bad beat".

[Radii]

Your M is ~5 and you're still 150 away from the money, *maybe* if you're 10 places from the money you can possibly consider a fold, but you have to go all in in this situation.

[Maple Leafs]

Push that everyday. You got your chips in with the best hand, not to mention you had some fold equity with the push. The raise from big stack was semi-scary but you have to be way ahead of his range here.

[sabotai]

Your M is ~5 and you're still 150 away from the money, *maybe* if you're 10 places from the money you can possibly consider a fold, but you have to go all in in this situation.

Agreed. If you folded that hand and got nothing good enough to play for a bit, you would have blinded yourself out of the tournament before you could finish in the money. You made the right move.

[kcchief19]

Agreed. If you folded that hand and got nothing good enough to play for a bit, you would have blinded yourself out of the tournament before you could finish in the money. You made the right move.
Ditto this and what Radii said. You were almost to the point where you pick two good cards and go. I think you were too many places away from the money to think about playing that tight -- you were going to need to double up at some point. I think that's a no-brainer right there.

[saldana]

OH MY GOD, YOU SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Lathum]

OH MY GOD, YOU SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
dick

[TroyF]

I think you made the right play I'd have went all in with the jacks. To be honest, I can't think of ANY other good play in that situation. You made the right play IMHO.

OK, I'll try to piggy back off yours for some advice. I have to set this situation up though.

Cheapie $1 tourney. I'm in the BB. Blinds are 3000-6000 and I have 28k in chips (before the BB was taken into account)

Big stack is REALLY big. They are well over 200k and are dominating the table. I've noticed they are playing looser and looser.

I get dealt 8/Ts. Big stack raises up to 12k (6k for me to call) and everyone folds. I thought about going all in here, but decided to call and go all in on the next big card if the flop didn't suit me. Flop comes out T/6/2.

I go all in. Big stack calls and shows A/Qs. I survive the turn and river and proceed to get a tounge lashing (via the chat) by big stack saying I'm an idiot and a donkey.

As it turns out, I end up going on a bit of a run after this. I end up placing 8th (out of 2,766 players entered) and take home 50 bucks. And it really started because of this hand.

Did I play the hand correctly or am I a moron? I know Should I have just went all in and taken a shot? I know the result was good, but I'm trying to be a better poker player and sometimes the result isn't necessarily a result of good play.

[RendeR]

Sounds like he was just pissy that his higher suited cards lost out to the luck of the draw and you didn't go running from his big raise. Sour grapes. You played it fine.

[MrBigglesworth]

I think you made the right play I'd have went all in with the jacks. To be honest, I can't think of ANY other good play in that situation. You made the right play IMHO.

OK, I'll try to piggy back off yours for some advice. I have to set this situation up though.

Cheapie $1 tourney. I'm in the BB. Blinds are 3000-6000 and I have 28k in chips (before the BB was taken into account)

Big stack is REALLY big. They are well over 200k and are dominating the table. I've noticed they are playing looser and looser.

I get dealt 8/Ts. Big stack raises up to 12k (6k for me to call) and everyone folds. I thought about going all in here, but decided to call and go all in on the next big card if the flop didn't suit me. Flop comes out T/6/2.

I go all in. Big stack calls and shows A/Qs. I survive the turn and river and proceed to get a tounge lashing (via the chat) by big stack saying I'm an idiot and a donkey.

As it turns out, I end up going on a bit of a run after this. I end up placing 8th (out of 2,766 players entered) and take home 50 bucks. And it really started because of this hand.

Did I play the hand correctly or am I a moron? I know Should I have just went all in and taken a shot? I know the result was good, but I'm trying to be a better poker player and sometimes the result isn't necessarily a result of good play.
Knowing what you know now, that original call was probably dumb, but since you had a feeling he was trying to bully you out with low cards, the call wasn't so bad. Once the flop came down you had about a 75% chance to win the hand, so it was a good all-in.

[Butter]

Sounds like he was just pissy that his higher suited cards lost out to the luck of the draw and you didn't go running from his big raise. Sour grapes. You played it fine.

Yeah.

Do what I do... turn off chat. Makes a much lovelier playing experience. I rarely if ever gain anything from the chat, aside from a disdain for one or more players at the table, which can affect my playing... so I just ignore everybody and focus on the bets and the cards.

[Honolulu Blue]

Lathum: You donkey. I'm putting you on my buddy list. :D

Troy: Good call on your part. Your hand wasn't bad, and you were getting 3.5 to 1 odds. If you whiffed, you had just enough chips to play a little. But the push after pairing was also good. If he had a higher pair, you were screwed preflop, but if he had a lower pair or two high cards, you're probably in good shape.

[Maple Leafs]

Did I play the hand correctly or am I a moron? I know Should I have just went all in and taken a shot? I know the result was good, but I'm trying to be a better poker player and sometimes the result isn't necessarily a result of good play.
I'm not crazy about the idea of calling (putting almost half your stack into the pot) and then planning on folding if the flop misses. I suspect that someone would say the best play here is to push, but I can't see any hand the big stack is going to fold there getting about 2.5-1 and a chance to eliminate you. Folding might be better, although that's also weakish. My favorite play here is to stop-and-go, which is essentially what you wound up doing anyways. I think the push after the flop is right.

[Lathum]

Troy-
I would probably have pushed all in there preflop but I am aggressive. I think it is important to understand that when you just call there you need to realize that the big stack is going to put you all in after the flop no matter what. That being said, your two undercards are only a 40% dog there, so you got the correct odds and got lucky. In order to go far in a big tournament you need that to happen a few times. I think you played it ok, congrats, you had a better day then I did.

[Subby]

The answer is simple - if you had won that hand would you be posting this?

Of course not. You made the right play.

Calling is horrible because you give up pre-flop fold equity.

[TroyF]

Troy-
I would probably have pushed all in there preflop but I am aggressive. I think it is important to understand that when you just call there you need to realize that the big stack is going to put you all in after the flop no matter what. That being said, your two undercards are only a 40% dog there, so you got the correct odds and got lucky. In order to go far in a big tournament you need that to happen a few times. I think you played it ok, congrats, you had a better day then I did.


I really debated going all in preflop. Big stack made a minimum raise and they'd loosened up their pre flop selection. (in a previous hand, they raised and then called an all in bet with 9/Q suited.)

I knew I'd be put in post flop if I didn't act first and go all in myself. I was hoping for some paint on the next hand to make the push if the flop wasn't good and then go all in.

Essentially, I figured the tourney for me was over. There were 182 players left in the tourney when I made the move. I'd already made back the money and was just looking for the best spot to push. I got really, really lucky on that flop. All low cards and a pair. The post flop decision was an automatic. I'm still debating the pre flop play.

What this did is taught me a lesson and a big one. Never "check out" from a tourney. The chip and a chair thing is really accurate. That big stack I was talking about ended up going on tilt after my move and ended up in 168th place. I went on a tear with a little bit of luck and with some solid play and was in a position to win the tournament. (with 15 players left, I had the 4th highest total)

Don't worry Lathum. Something tells me your tourney rakes are going to slaughter mine in the long term. :)

[-apoc-]

In the pokerstars million dollar prize pool tourny. Blinds are at 400-800. 5200 started and we are down to the final 900. Top 750 get paid. I am pretty short stacked with 6200. I am in the big blind so I am down to 5400 and I get dealt JJ. Big stack raised to 1800 and I move all in. He calls with AQ. Flop comes 3 4 5. King on the turn, 2 on the river giving him the straight and making me vomit in the process. I probably could have laid down the jacks and held on for the money, about $300 but I play to win. Someone please tell me I made the right play because right now I feel horrible.

I havent read the other replies yet but you have 2 options here imo I will assume that the big stack was not the small blind. You have no fold equity preflop since you can only raise it another 4.5k so he has odds to call with basically anything. If you had a smaller pair I would have done a stop and go where you simply call preflop and then push blindly any flop. Even if you have say 66 and the flop comes AKQ you push. This works by creating some extra fold quity that you did not have preflop and you may even get a better hand to fold say 88 or 99 on that flop.

But Jacks are a pretty big pair so I think I would rather have gotten it in preflop since often times a big stack in that situation will be drawing to 2 or 3 outs with Ax or a smaller pair. Be sure to include the other persons position though that makes alot of difference. And you even if you pulled a stop and go here he would have called on the flop with the gut and 2 overs im sure so you go broke either way. Dont be too results oriented about it :)

[-apoc-]

I think you made the right play I'd have went all in with the jacks. To be honest, I can't think of ANY other good play in that situation. You made the right play IMHO.

OK, I'll try to piggy back off yours for some advice. I have to set this situation up though.

Cheapie $1 tourney. I'm in the BB. Blinds are 3000-6000 and I have 28k in chips (before the BB was taken into account)

Big stack is REALLY big. They are well over 200k and are dominating the table. I've noticed they are playing looser and looser.

I get dealt 8/Ts. Big stack raises up to 12k (6k for me to call) and everyone folds. I thought about going all in here, but decided to call and go all in on the next big card if the flop didn't suit me. Flop comes out T/6/2.

I go all in. Big stack calls and shows A/Qs. I survive the turn and river and proceed to get a tounge lashing (via the chat) by big stack saying I'm an idiot and a donkey.

As it turns out, I end up going on a bit of a run after this. I end up placing 8th (out of 2,766 players entered) and take home 50 bucks. And it really started because of this hand.

Did I play the hand correctly or am I a moron? I know Should I have just went all in and taken a shot? I know the result was good, but I'm trying to be a better poker player and sometimes the result isn't necessarily a result of good play.

You are too short to fold this hand with a quater of your stack already in. It was a great time for a stop and go nice hand you have to push on the flop even if you miss though when you call here.

[-apoc-]

The answer is simple - if you had won that hand would you be posting this?

Of course not. You made the right play.

Calling is horrible because you give up pre-flop fold equity.

He really doesnt have any preflop fold equity here there is assuming 8 handed there is 1400 in blinds and antes + the 1800 raise and then the 4400 reraise the pot is 8600 and it only costs him 4400 to call which is the right price assuming he has any ace.

[King of New York]

After reading this thread, I am starting to think that maybe we do need to pass a law declaring English to be the official language in the US of A. Otherwise, we will be overrun by people speaking Poker.

[Maple Leafs]

After reading this thread, I am starting to think that maybe we do need to pass a law declaring English to be the official language in the US of A. Otherwise, we will be overrun by people speaking Poker.
nh

[Pumpy Tudors]

I was playing in a multi-STT SNG with only 4bb left from the SB. Knowing I'd be UTG postflop, I pushed all-in with my suited inside flush draw and flopped a set! I ended up getting a quad boat to beat MP2's UTG+9 queens up, and I was all set to make a run at this thing. All the chips came my way, but somebody took my chair, so I was out. :(

[chinaski]

this just happened to me on AP, sorry im just so pissed right now i need to vent....

I get AA pockets... go all in with my last $11.38, some dip calls me with J5os, yes J5os. Flop comes.... get ready.... 2-7-8-6-get ready for it--- you know its coming--- 4.

cmon, no way. no way is someone that catatonically stupid, then that amazingly lucky. no way. no no no no no no no >:( luckily this was a all from free $50 AP gave me, but still, arg.

btw, does anyone else get free money from AP? At one point I had over 1k in the site, but pulled that a year or so ago..ever since then theyve given me random amounts of cash.. $10, $125, $75, $50. The $125 and the $75 were only cashable if i played X amount of hands but the others were free and clear.

[Lathum]

somebody is a genius

[TroyF]

this just happened to me on AP, sorry im just so pissed right now i need to vent....

I get AA pockets... go all in with my last $11.38, some dip calls me with J5os, yes J5os. Flop comes.... get ready.... 2-7-8-6-get ready for it--- you know its coming--- 4.

cmon, no way. no way is someone that catatonically stupid, then that amazingly lucky. no way. no no no no no no no >:( luckily this was a all from free $50 AP gave me, but still, arg.

btw, does anyone else get free money from AP? At one point I had over 1k in the site, but pulled that a year or so ago..ever since then theyve given me random amounts of cash.. $10, $125, $75, $50. The $125 and the $75 were only cashable if i played X amount of hands but the others were free and clear.

J/5s? What a terrific hand. You can get straights with 2 cards, have a shot at a low flush, and you have a great chance at winning unimproved.

I think he made the right call here, but he should have raised you up more just in case someone else tried to jump in. Protecting J/5 is one of the most critical things you can do in the game.

[chinaski]

J/5s? What a terrific hand. You can get straights with 2 cards, have a shot at a low flush, and you have a great chance at winning unimproved.

I think he made the right call here, but he should have raised you up more just in case someone else tried to jump in. Protecting J/5 is one of the most critical things you can do in the game.

They werent even suited :/ maybe he thought they were? This is the first ive heard about J/5 suited being so important. food for thought i guess.

[TroyF]

They werent even suited :/ maybe he thought they were? This is the first ive heard about J/5 suited being so important. food for thought i guess.


Turn your sarcasm detector on my friend. :)

He was a donk. He got away with one. And making plays like that he'll go broke quickly.

It's guys like that you want to make a note of and look for the next time. You WILL take all of their money in the long haul.

[Subby]

He really doesnt have any preflop fold equity here there is assuming 8 handed there is 1400 in blinds and antes + the 1800 raise and then the 4400 reraise the pot is 8600 and it only costs him 4400 to call which is the right price assuming he has any ace.
Very good point. Thank you for putting me in my place. :)

[Pumpy Tudors]

Since the J5 wasn't suited, that means he could have made two different flushes. You have to play that.

[chinaski]

Turn your sarcasm detector on my friend. :)

He was a donk. He got away with one. And making plays like that he'll go broke quickly.

It's guys like that you want to make a note of and look for the next time. You WILL take all of their money in the long haul.

lol, oops. :o At first i thought you were being sarcastic, but then you started talking about them being suited and assumed you misread my post.

aaaaah, i feel better now anyways. im done with online poker until they give me some free loot again. thanks for letting me do a poker threadjack vent. :)

[TroyF]

Since the J5 wasn't suited, that means he could have made two different flushes. You have to play that.


Next tourney I'm in, I'm looking for J/5o. Sweet.

[Captain2711]

OH MY GOD, YOU SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I concur.

[Lathum]

I concur.
I am gonna take a dump in your recliner

[saldana]

I am gonna take a dump in your recliner


it already looks like one of you did something to the arm of it