Any UFC fans here?

[JS19]

This Saturday makes for what I think is a can't miss. Arlofski vs Sylvia for the title should be great, also have Tito vs Forrest Griffin. I know i'll shell out the $40 and watch.

[bbor]

I heart UFC reality show.I watch it religiously every thursday.

[JS19]

As do I. This season looks to be a good one. Unfortunatley I missed most of the 1st episode so I don't know if it was brought up or not, but I am curious as to what may transpire with the deaf guy, if anything even does.

[DaddyTorgo]

the deaf guy seems to be a serious contender, just from the way they've edited it.

i definately <3 MMA. UFC is alright, although the last PPV i bought (the one before this last one...the Liddell vs. Horn one) I felt was subpar and that makes me cautious about shelling out for this coming one.

Arlovski vs. Sylvia shouldn't be that great IMO...I don't think Sylvia is disciplined enough to avoid Arlovski getting close enough to take him down, and on the ground Andrei will finish him quickly. There are a couple other nice fights there on the card though, no question.

But Pride PPV's are cheaper than UFC PPV's here and I generally prefer their action (i'm less of a striking and more of a grappling fan).

[bbor]

Deaf guy was Ortizs' top pick...if that means anything to ya.The Canadian guy that won the first fight did it quite easily over that former gold golve boxer.

[dubb93]

I honestly can't see Tito-Forrest as being much different than Quary-Franklin. I think it will be a overhyped slaughter.

[JS19]

I def. see the deaf guy as being a top contender. I don't doubt his ability, just wondering if anything may occur such as ref warnings, and....well i guess that was about it, just something small like that.

I had the same thought too dubb but i fell in to all the hype.

Although Arlofski is the dominant fighter I am intrigued by this one. Sylvia has the potenital to take him down IMHO.

[bbor]

I'm not a big Sylvia fan....I did'nt think he beat Silva by much.Which means Arlofski should take him apart.

[DaddyTorgo]

i'd love to see UFC and Pride have a giant combo card in MSG or something like that. See Arlovski against Fedor and just watch Fedor absolutely KILL him.

Gawd Fedor is nasty.

[dubb93]

i'd love to see UFC and Pride have a giant combo card in MSG or something like that. See Arlovski against Fedor and just watch Fedor absolutely KILL him.

Gawd Fedor is nasty.

That one wouldn't be pretty, but I would like to see some of the LHW's fight each other. I think PRIDE's heavyweight divison would rule UFC's and UFC's Welterweight division would PWN PRIDE's, but the LHW's would be interesting.

[JS19]

I must say i'm pretty impressed with the fight on ultimate fighter 3 tonight. I love submissions, strikes and ground and pound can be fun too but the sumbmission is more of a talent.

[marshall881]

What are some good websites for UFC info. I know of sherdog, any others?

[DaddyTorgo]

hxxp://www.mmaweekly.com is a nice news compilation site

[SirFozzie]

mma-snark.com has a good TV review section

[Bearcat729]

As do I. This season looks to be a good one. Unfortunatley I missed most of the 1st episode so I don't know if it was brought up or not, but I am curious as to what may transpire with the deaf guy, if anything even does.

I don't watch the show, but the deaf guy on the show graduated from high school a year before I did.

[Havok]

im banging a girl who went to high school with Sylvia.... or maybe it was Silva. Whichever one is from maine :)

thats all... carry on!

[moriarty]

What are some good websites for UFC info. I know of sherdog, any others?

I'd avoid sherdog if you want to post without getting ripped apart. MMA weekly and MMAFighting are pretty good and fairly noob friendly (not saying you're a noob).

As for UFC 59:
I just can't get excited about Arlovski vs. Sylvia. I mean Arlovski hasn't been seriously challenged in over a year, and he took out Sylvia is less than a minute last time. I think this one will be closer, but I don't see Sylvia having any chance unless Arlovski really overlooks him.

Tito against Forrest is either going to be really good or a butt whipping. I think of all the TUF guys Forrest has some skills, but is he ready for the top of the divsision? Guess reality check is an apt title for this event.

Diaz vs. Sherk could be good (loser is probably out of the UFC). Monsoon vs. Cruz (ehh, weak heavyweights getting in line to get killed by Arlovski). Terrell vs. Smith could be an exciting brawl between two youngsters (if they show it). Tanner vs. Levens - decent but I can't see Tanner losing. I'm more bummed by the fact it was supposed to be Tanner vs. Horn which would have been an excellent matchup IMO.

Decent card, but in general I prefer the Pride cards and lately Pride Bushido has been the best.

[dubb93]

As for UFC 59:
I just can't get excited about Arlovski vs. Sylvia. I mean Arlovski hasn't been seriously challenged in over a year, and he took out Sylvia is less than a minute last time. I think this one will be closer, but I don't see Sylvia having any chance unless Arlovski really overlooks him.


I can't say that Sylvia has no chance, but I don't give him a good one. Arlovski is still untested. I'm sorry, but career wins over Michael Tielrooy, Roman Zentsov, Aaron Brink(this is a guy that lost to Mike F'n Whitehead), Ian Freeman, Vladimir Matyushenko, Cabbage(he lost to Tank Abbot just a year later (n)), Tim Sylvia, Justin Eilers, and Paul Buentello is not exactly an A list of wins.

The fact that 7 of these wins are in the UFC heavyweight division just goes to show how bad this division really is. Is Andrei a top heavyweight? He's good, we don't know if he is great but one thing is sure his recent wins are over a guy that has lost 3 straight, an "average" KOTC heavyweight, and a guy that has gone on record as saying he didn't take him seriously.

Also keep in mind that Arlovski has been flat out knocked out twice in his career. He was KO'ed by Viacheslav Datsik and Pedro Rizzo. Has his defense got better since then? Of course it has, but he does have a history of a weak chin and Tim Syliva can throw a punch. It isn't a guaranteed win for AA, but he should win.

[The Afoci]

A few weeks back, I got to see CAGE fighting live in Moorhead MN. Big bastard from the mean streets of Hawley pounded the fat bastard of Wauben or Wadena or Twin Valley. Anyway, he got his face kneed into his head. Screamed until I puked. Drank till I screamed. Never though watching people beat the hell out of each other while I was feet from a CAGE would be so exciting.

[Edward64]

marshall881. Not quite the UFC specific site you want but this forum has a good MMA following.

http://www.bullshido.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=10

[marshall881]

Thanks for all of the links.

[JS19]

I know Arlofski should take Sylvia out with not much of a problem, theres just something about Sylvia that has me intrigued. Maybe it's just his size. For whatever reason though I just see him being so determined and training so hard that it will be a solid match. I agree 100% with the Tito, Forrest match. Either gonna be a real ass whooping or a solid match.

[dubb93]

I know Arlofski should take Sylvia out with not much of a problem, theres just something about Sylvia that has me intrigued. Maybe it's just his size. For whatever reason though I just see him being so determined and training so hard that it will be a solid match. I agree 100% with the Tito, Forrest match. Either gonna be a real ass whooping or a solid match.

Speaking of Sylvia, he used to look like a beast b/f Mir broke his arm. Now he just looks like a tall semi-fat guy. Wonder what the heck happened there? That makes me question his determination a little bit. I don't care if you do break your arm, if you are a professional athlete and are ripped at one point in your career, I find it hard to believe you are working hard if you start showing up semi-fat.

[Hammer]

$40, ouch! We get all UFC events free in the UK. Really looking forward to this one, especially Forest-Ortiz. Diaz-Sherk is also a potential show stealer. Arlofski to walk it.

Educate me on Fedor. What is his style? I have never seen him fight as we don't get Pride hear. I appreciate the UFC Heavyweight Division is weak, but I'd fancy Arlofski over Hughes, Pierre, Liddell, Franklin pound for pound. I find it hard to comprehend there is a Heavyweight that could stick with Arlofski, let alone beat him.

Not to fussed about UFC 60 Hughes-Gracie. The rules are suited to Hughes nowadays with rounds, ref standing up inactive ground situations. I miss the old days to some degree. Fairer reflection of a real fight.

[moriarty]

Speaking of Sylvia, he used to look like a beast b/f Mir broke his arm. Now he just looks like a tall semi-fat guy. Wonder what the heck happened there? That makes me question his determination a little bit. I don't care if you do break your arm, if you are a professional athlete and are ripped at one point in your career, I find it hard to believe you are working hard if you start showing up semi-fat.

I don't recall how he looked fighting Mir, but just prior to that fight he got busted using anabolic steroids. So he was definitely much buffer earlier in his career. Mir was his first fight after getting off the juice IIRC, so he might have still retained some steroid assisted physique. After that fight though he definitely had some fat as the roids undoubtably wore off.

Supposedly he's been training a lot though and looks to be in good physcial shape (read - less fat) for the fight tonight. He'd better be if it ends up going 5 rounds.

[dubb93]

$40, ouch! We get all UFC events free in the UK. Really looking forward to this one, especially Forest-Ortiz. Diaz-Sherk is also a potential show stealer. Arlofski to walk it.

Educate me on Fedor. What is his style? I have never seen him fight as we don't get Pride hear. I appreciate the UFC Heavyweight Division is weak, but I'd fancy Arlofski over Hughes, Pierre, Liddell, Franklin pound for pound. I find it hard to comprehend there is a Heavyweight that could stick with Arlofski, let alone beat him.

Not to fussed about UFC 60 Hughes-Gracie. The rules are suited to Hughes nowadays with rounds, ref standing up inactive ground situations. I miss the old days to some degree. Fairer reflection of a real fight.

http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterID=1500
http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterID=2326
http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterID=1440

There is a list of three fighters that off the top of my head would have no trouble handling Arlovski at all. Look into it further and you will find 3-6 other PRIDE heavyweights that have either already beaten Arlovski or that stand a better than 50/50 chance of doing it at the moment.

If ever there was an untested heavyweight champ it is Arlovski. Former UFC heavyweight champs go to PRIDE and don't even make the top 10 in the division. Arlovski could be the exception, but we just don't know. The UFC have no other good heavyweights.

[moriarty]

Educate me on Fedor. What is his style? I have never seen him fight as we don't get Pride hear. I appreciate the UFC Heavyweight Division is weak, but I'd fancy Arlofski over Hughes, Pierre, Liddell, Franklin pound for pound. I find it hard to comprehend there is a Heavyweight that could stick with Arlofski, let alone beat him.

Fedor's style is hard to describe. Well rounded is the cliche that comes to mind. He's a Sambo (judo & wrestling) practitioner by background. While he's definitely not the biggest heavyweight, he's brutally strong for his size. His strength IMO is his ground and pound. He generates more power on his punches when in his opponents guard than any fighter I've ever seen. But he also posesses strong submissions and striking skills.

Against arguably the best striker/kicker in MMA (Cro Cop) Fedor out struck him. Against the best jiu-jitsu guy in MMA (Nogueira) Fedor powered through all his sub attempts and brutually ground and pounded him ... twice. Against a top class wrester (Mark Coleman) Fedor subbed him by slick armbar. And throw in an untalented Brazilian giant (Zulu) and Fedor knocked him out standing in 26 seconds. Fedor is the man.

[DaddyTorgo]

wow. well that certainly wasn't the ending I was expecting. (didn't order, just read the results online)

[JS19]

That fight showed that anything can happen. It was quick but I enjoyed it. All in all I thought it was a great buy. Tito and Forrest put on a good show, I love seeing triangles so Tannar pleased me in that regard.

[cthomer5000]

That fight showed that anything can happen. It was quick but I enjoyed it. All in all I thought it was a great buy. Tito and Forrest put on a good show, I love seeing triangles so Tannar pleased me in that regard.

Tito-Forrest was an incredibly even match. I'm fine with Tito winning the decision, but the judge that gave him the 2nd round had to be smoking crack. Personally I would have scored it 10-8, 9-10, 9-10. I thought overall the fight was dead even. Tito absolutely owned Forrest in the first round, to the point where i didn't think Forrest would have made it out. I thought Forrest then won round 2 convincingly, and round 3 by a small margin. I think the Tito takedown was nearly worthless since Forrest was delivering basically all the punishment even while on the bottom.

Arlofski-Sylvia was exciting. Arloski absoluted clocked Sylvia in the face, enough to put him down... Sylvia amazingly rebounded right back and delivered a knock-out shot on the chin... all in the course of about 15 seconds. It was an astounding finish.

[JS19]

I agree with you about that judge who scored 30-27, dont know what fight he was watching because Forrest clearly took that second round. I am surprised he even made it through the 1st round, just goes to show the heart hes got to be able to take all those elbows and manage to make it back to his feet. The fight really could have went either way but I would say since Tito was landing a good amount of punches in that 3rd round that gave it to him. The takedown, as you said, was useless because he took more hits down there than he was giving.

I kind of think that Arlovski, as Joe Rogan said, thought he had Sylvia and just let his guard down. Can't blame him though, he clearly landed a bomb on Sylvia and even after he got back up he looked stunned and like he was about to have all hell break loose on him. Not taking anything away from the shot Sylvia landed but Arlovski's momentum leading him right in to that punch sure didn't help.

[cthomer5000]

I kind of think that Arlovski, as Joe Rogan said, thought he had Sylvia and just let his guard down. Can't blame him though, he clearly landed a bomb on Sylvia and even after he got back up he looked stunned and like he was about to have all hell break loose on him. Not taking anything away from the shot Sylvia landed but Arlovski's momentum leading him right in to that punch sure didn't help.

Agreed, I think anyone watching thought the match was about to end the other way... and I agree that Arlovski unwittingly walked right into the punch. He went down like a ton of bricks after the shot. I've only seen a couple UFC's ever, but I would really like to see rematches of both those fights.

[JS19]

I wish there was no gaming commission and they would have said lets go 2 more rounds with Tito and Forrest because they sure as hell needed it. I know Griffin has probably got his eyes on the title now, and deservingly so, but I sure as hell would pay to see a rematch of that one. If Forrest can work on his ground game I think he's got a shot of really cementing his name in UFC history. The kids is tough as hell and he can fight.

As it has been said before, the UFC heavywieght division is pretty thin. I don't see why, or even who for that matter, Arlovski doesn't get another shot. It's one 1st round knockout against another. Just like Chucky boy and Randy.

[dubb93]

I hope no one here was too terribly suprised by the outcome of the title fight tonight as I pretty well laid out what ended up happening in post #18. I just wish I had the balls to bet against ol' glass jaw.

[moriarty]

I wish there was no gaming commission and they would have said lets go 2 more rounds with Tito and Forrest because they sure as hell needed it. I know Griffin has probably got his eyes on the title now, and deservingly so, but I sure as hell would pay to see a rematch of that one. If Forrest can work on his ground game I think he's got a shot of really cementing his name in UFC history. The kids is tough as hell and he can fight.


Tito's next fight is against Ken Shamrock, and if he wins that one, he's been guaranteed a title fight (Likely against Chuck). So it'll be a while before a rematch, but one should definitely be coming.

I will say I'm suprised by the Arlovski fight. He's had a suspect chin in the past (see Ricco / Pedro Rizzo), but Tim hasn't exactly looked like a world beater lately. Good win by Tim though, and it adds at least a little excitement to the HW division. Wonder if Tim gets Mir (who looked awful last time) next in a rematch? I say Arlovski owns the eventual rematch with Tim if he doesn't jump ship for Pride.

[General Mike]

At the UFC press conference it was announced Tito Ortiz would be out of action a minimum of three months due to a partially torn ACL, suffered during the filming of Ultimate Fighter, but kept secret until now.

http://www.wrestlingobserver.com/wo/news/headlines/default.asp?aID=16019

[DaddyTorgo]

hxxp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxHtqk1jLIU

arlovksi vs. sylvia from last night

[DaddyTorgo]

Hughes vs. Gracie anyone? Damm that is going to be a hell of a fight!

[JS19]

Hughes vs. Gracie anyone? Damm that is going to be a hell of a fight!

You really think so?? Being that I just recently got in to UFC, this didn't excite me when I heard about it. I know the Gracie name and what he's capable of, but I see it as Hughes being so young and dominating his weight class that he won't have a problem handling Gracie. Could be way off base being I don't know as much about Gracie, i'll be watching either way so they got their $40 out of me again.

[DaddyTorgo]

You really think so?? Being that I just recently got in to UFC, this didn't excite me when I heard about it. I know the Gracie name and what he's capable of, but I see it as Hughes being so young and dominating his weight class that he won't have a problem handling Gracie. Could be way off base being I don't know as much about Gracie, i'll be watching either way so they got their $40 out of me again.

hughes isn't THAT young. he's like 31 or 32 or something. And Gracie...if i'm not mistaken he's only lost like 2 fights in his life or something (to sakuraba over in PRIDE, unless i'm thinking of one of his brothers/cousins). I think it COULD be an amazing fight, although dana white is really good at the hype machine too, so it could just as easily end up a slaughter.

hughes hits hard, but i think his strengths, the wrestling/submission side of things, are clearly gracie's strength too. so it'll be strength vs. strength.

all that said...I hope Hughes wins. He's my favorite UFCer. I might pay for this one too, or see if some fellow boston FOFCers wanna have a party.

[Sublime 2]

I'll be getting this also, can't wait. I never saw the first UFCs live but I did go through a stage where i rented them all. Royce was undoubtebly the cream of the crop back then and I'm interested to see how he does up against some of these "younger" fighters.

[Sublime 2]

dola

when was Gracie's last fight (including other MMA promotions)?

[DaddyTorgo]

http://www.royce-gracie.com/royce-gracie-fight-record.htm

[DaddyTorgo]

dola

sherdog has another one listed
http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterID=19

[heybrad]

They're showing Gracie's early UFC fights on UFC Unleashed tonight. It's interesting to watch with all the stupid mistakes these guys made back then. None of these guys he was fighting had any kind of ground game.

Fighters are so much more well rounded now that I don't see how Hughes would lose this fight, but I could be wrong.

[Neon_Chaos]

We get all the UFC, Pride and WWE PPVs for free on Cable here in the Philippine.

[JS19]

So, anyone gonna get the fight tomorrow night? I love Hughes and am a fan of St. Pierre, but im gonna hold off til next months Liddell/Ortiz 2.

[Oilers9911]

Come on GSP, make Canada proud.

[kingfc22]

So, anyone gonna get the fight tomorrow night? I love Hughes and am a fan of St. Pierre, but im gonna hold off til next months Liddell/Ortiz 2.

I was supposed to go to the fight tomorrow up in Sacramento, but my freaking work won't let me get the day off.

[Neuqua]

Friends are all getting together at the bar to watch it, I had prior engagements but am going to miss it.

I never was a big fan of GSP, and hope Hughes takes the victory.

Can't wait for next month.

[SirFozzie]

After watching Hughes being a dick in TUF4, he now is the UFC fighter I most want to take a severe beating.

[moriarty]

Not just TUF4 but every interview since then Hughes has come across as a total jerk. War GSP! I definitely getting this one w/ some buddies.

[dubb93]

I'm ordering it and will be rooting for Frank Mir to finally show some of his talent that made him the UFC Heavyweight Champion b/f all the health troubles he had(although I'm well aware they were his own doing.)

Also I'll be pulling for Monson and GSP. As long as Mir has a good showing and either Monson or GSP pulls out the win I'll be a happy man tomorrow night. Probably won't buy another one until Fedor fights Cro Cop again.

[JeffNights]

WAR MONSON!!!!

[Deattribution]

I've had a hard time justifying the last few UFC ppv purchases (short fights, TONS of advertisements ect), so I'm not sure whether I'll be purchasing but I thought it was interesting that they are ballsy enough to go head to head with boxing.

[SirFozzie]

I've had a hard time justifying the last few UFC ppv purchases (short fights, TONS of advertisements ect), so I'm not sure whether I'll be purchasing but I thought it was interesting that they are ballsy enough to go head to head with boxing.

Looks like it was a pretty good card. GSP, new champion new hero! What a total buttkickin Hughes took, and I couldn't think of any champion more deserving of one

[Deattribution]

Looks like it was a pretty good card. GSP, new champion new hero! What a total buttkickin Hughes took, and I couldn't think of any champion more deserving of one

Yeah I ended up ordering after all and I thought it was a pretty solid show from top to bottom other than one or two rounds in the heavyweight title fight. I was happy with what I got.

[dubb93]

Yeah I ended up ordering after all and I thought it was a pretty solid show from top to bottom other than one or two rounds in the heavyweight title fight. I was happy with what I got.

Yea, me too. Rounds 3 and 4 were solid in the Heavyweight fight I thought as well as 1. But when that fight was bad, it was bad. Round 5 was a total joke. I can't help but think Monson didn't train nearly hard enough for that fight or something b/c Tim even dominated him on the ground. Pretty telling when the closest submission was probably Tim's americana attempt.

But I'm very happy that GSP won, heck I thought he actually KO'ed Hughes twice. I think the fight could have been stopped with no argument at the end of the first round when GSP dropped Hughes and pounded on him until the buzzer.

[moriarty]

GSP made my night ... and made me forget the disaster that was the Sylvaa-Monson fight. GSP rocks.

[JeffNights]

Monson looked gassed. He was strong as a bull, but he wasnt motivated tonite. The rumour was he was going back into strickly submission grappling no matter the outcome and low and behold he's gone and said thats his plan.
He is a master grappler there is no doubt, but watching the fight, i think he just didnt want to win. Damn him for that, as big dummy tim needs to be taken down..this tool actually wants to fight Fedor. Idiot.

[Dutch]

Just watched this last night. I wouldn't order this PPV, but the armed forces overseas get this for free, without advertisements, just a week late. No big deal since I had no clue who won any of the matches.

It's pretty interesting to watch the fighters have to use chess-like strategy and physical skill in the ring. I can't help but wonder if Matt Hughes getting kicked in the nuts twice screwed up his game against GSP. But GSP sure seemed more crisp regardless and should be a tough opponents for a couple more years.

[JS19]

Haven't really been following the Ultimate Fighter this season, but I could have sworn that in past seasons, when you lose, you go home. What's the story with it this year, is their an added twist?

[DaddyTorgo]

Haven't really been following the Ultimate Fighter this season, but I could have sworn that in past seasons, when you lose, you go home. What's the story with it this year, is their an added twist?

yeah. They're kept around to act as training-partners for the guys who haven't lost. Makes a lot more sense IMO.

[dervack]

I think it's been this way since the "comebacks" season.

[moriarty]

It also keeps them all in the house in case someone gets injured (the replacement is still training/living there).