What is LenDale White doing with a chiropractor

[IwasHere]

Have you seen this article? Scarry Stuff!
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?id=2407977&sport=headlines&ft=ss

Let me guess; they took White to every Sports Medical Doctor in the Denver area and they all said the same thing, Severe Tear, Surgery, and shutting down for a year.

His agent then finds some Quack Chiropractor that says he can cure him with some Vitamins, a little Ginseng, and of course 3 weekly Adjustments in his office before the season starts.

If you read the article, it becomes obvious that this is just damage control by his agent. I just hope whatever NFL team signs him they insist that a real doctor evaluate his hamstring.

A Chiropractor! Why not just bring in a Warlock to cast a spell on his hamstring or rub some chicken bones on it?:rolleyes:

[Young Drachma]

Still an early 2nd round pick. McGahee was more hurt during his draft and he went at the end of the first.

[rkmsuf]

maybe he's been drinking too much dairy and taking hot showers.

he needs some couchgrass and some crampart.

For you see it's in the medical establishments best interests you remain sick. You see, that insures good business. You're not a patient. You're a customer. You see, you are in disharmony. The throat is the gateway to the lung. Tonsillitis, adenoiditis, is, in Chinese medical terms, and invasion of heat and wind.

[stevew]

MaGhee was also a top 3 pick before his injury, something that White wouldn't have been considered. I'd almost rather my guy have a clean ACL than a chronically messed up Hammy.

[John Galt]

What is with the hate of a chiropractor? A warlock? WTF?

Although I do appreciate the evil smurf's Seinfeld reference. :)

[rkmsuf]

I mean really. What does a warlock know of lumbars.

[miami_fan]

I think teams are more concerned with a perceived lack of work ethic with White more than anything else. Willis proved his work ethic prior to the draft. White seems to have given teams the opposite impression.

[IwasHere]

I mean really. What does a warlock know of lumbars.
Last time I checked White wasn't rear-ended in a car accident.

It is a freakin Hamstring Tear, not some Insurance whiplash scam.

[rkmsuf]

Last time I checked White wasn't rear-ended in a car accident.

It is a freakin Hamstring Tear, not some Insurance whiplash scam.

Perhaps if he got his lumbars properly alligned he wouldn't tear the hamstring. A healthy gate means a lot.

And warlocks have terrible bedside manners.

[IwasHere]

Perhaps if he got his lumbars properly alligned he wouldn't tear the hamstring. A healthy gate means a lot.

Don't forget the Vitamins. Since those Quacks can't prescribe real medicine they love their Special Homeopathic Pills.

[Franklinnoble]

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[John Galt]

Don't forget the Vitamins. Since those Quacks can't prescribe real medicine they love their Special Holistic Pills.

You don't know anything about chiropractors, do you? This guy may very well be a quack (I have no idea), but your statements about chiropractors in general are just nonsense.

[rkmsuf]

Their holistic Jerry. Holistic.

[GrantDawg]

You don't know anything about chiropractors, do you? This guy may very well be a quack (I have no idea), but your statements about chiropractors in general are just nonsense.


I think he is on point with some, and not so much with others. Chiropractors that work hand-in-hand with the medical establishment I think can be a worthy thing. Those who cast dispersions on the whole medical profession are quacks. I don't care much for M.D.'s that hate Chiropractors either.

[IwasHere]

Chiropractors in general are a joke. What is to know? They want to see you three times a week for 3 years or until your insurance runs out and they try to sell you all sorts of Bullshit Homeopathic Pills.

I dare anyone to find me a bigger rip off than those Quacks. Just because they went to the trade school next to Big Rig driving place does not mean they are doctors.

[Eaglesfan27]

I think he is on point with some, and not so much with others. Chiropractors that work hand-in-hand with the medical establishment I think can be a worthy thing. Those who cast dispersions on the whole medical profession are quacks. I don't care much for M.D.'s that hate Chiropractors either.

Like any profession, I think there are some good Chiropractors and some that aren't good.

[John Galt]

Chiropractors in general are a joke. What is to know? They want to see you three times a week for 3 years or until your insurance runs out and they try to sell you all sorts of Bullshit Homeopathic Pills.

I dare anyone to find me a bigger rip off than those Quacks. Just because they went to the trade school next to Big Rig driving place does not mean they are doctors.

You really have issues. And are pretty uninformed.

[moriarty]

Still an early 2nd round pick. McGahee was more hurt during his draft and he went at the end of the first.

I think he still goes at the end of the first round. As others have suggested, I can't see Pittsburgh passing on him if he's available. He's their Bettis replacement.

[GrantDawg]

I think he still goes at the end of the first round. As others have suggested, I can't see Pittsburgh passing on him if he's available. He's their Bettis replacement.


But if he can't play this year then why take him? Don't they need someone now and the future?

[John Galt]

I think he is on point with some, and not so much with others. Chiropractors that work hand-in-hand with the medical establishment I think can be a worthy thing. Those who cast dispersions on the whole medical profession are quacks. I don't care much for M.D.'s that hate Chiropractors either.

I don't disagree. Some chiropractors are probably not too good and encourage silly solutions. I've never met one of these chiropractors and my experiences with them have always been good. Chiropractors do have a good historical reason for distrusting the medical profession since they tried to force every state to ban chiropractors from working (and almost succeed until the chiropractors won some lawsuits). With that being said, I agree with your point that I don't want one who talks about conspiracies and wears tinfoil hats. I just want one who does spinal adjustments (the same adjustments you can get an M.D. to do) and lets me go about my business.

[GrantDawg]

I don't disagree. Some chiropractors are probably not too good and encourage silly solutions. I've never met one of these chiropractors and my experiences with them have always been good. Chiropractors do have a good historical reason for distrusting the medical profession since they tried to force every state to ban chiropractors from working (and almost succeed until the chiropractors won some lawsuits). With that being said, I agree with your point that I don't want one who talks about conspiracies and wears tinfoil hats. I just want one who does spinal adjustments (the same adjustments you can get an M.D. to do) and lets me go about my business.

Yeah, I can understand the distrust. It is just one of those "through the baby out with the bathwater" deals that both sides are guilty of. There are actually offices out here now that have both M.D.'s and chiropractors in the same office. I hope that becomes more common.

[John Galt]

Yeah, I can understand the distrust. It is just one of those "through the baby out with the bathwater" deals that both sides are guilty of. There are actually offices out here now that have both M.D.'s and chiropractors in the same office. I hope that becomes more common.

When I injured my neck, I went to 2 different rehab centers that had all levels of practioners including chiropractors. They all worked well together and I there certainly weren't any quacks that I met. Chiropractors aren't analogous to M.D.'s - they are analogous to physical or occupational therapists. And, in my limited experience, I've actually found the chiropractors to be more knowledgable and helpful than my experiences with physical therapists.

[Franklinnoble]

Consider me a skeptic. I don't really need someone to start cracking my spine the way I crack my knuckles.

[GrantDawg]

When I injured my neck, I went to 2 different rehab centers that had all levels of practioners including chiropractors. They all worked well together and I there certainly weren't any quacks that I met. Chiropractors aren't analogous to M.D.'s - they are analogous to physical or occupational therapists. And, in my limited experience, I've actually found the chiropractors to be more knowledgable and helpful than my experiences with physical therapists.


I agree that they are analogous with physichal therapist, but the wars have been fought between M'D.'s and chiropractors. And there still some on both sides fighting.

[John Galt]

I agree that they are analogous with physichal therapist, but the wars have been fought between M'D.'s and chiropractors. And there still some on both sides fighting.

I wasn't really disagreeing with you (although it probably sounded like it). I agree. I was just adding that chiropractors basically do what an orthopedist does. Just as you could have an M.D. do all your physical therapy, but it really isn't necessary.

[moriarty]

But if he can't play this year then why take him? Don't they need someone now and the future?

They won the superbowl last year, and don't have major defections. I'd say they can wait.

[dubb93]

Don't forget the Vitamins. Since those Quacks can't prescribe real medicine they love their Special Homeopathic Pills.

You sir are a moron. I personally suffered an injury in football once that sent me to a chiropractor. How serious was it? Well I couldn't even walk due to a back injury.

A real life chiropractor perscribed me with pain medication and muscle relaxors, and then a real life chiropractor performed surgery on me in a real life hospital that really worked! So STFU when you don't know what you are talking about, they aren't all quacks.

[dubb93]

Chiropractors aren't analogous to M.D.'s - they are analogous to physical or occupational therapists.

Again, see my example above. Some chiropractors can actually be M.D.'s.

[John Galt]

Again, see my example above. Some chiropractors can actually be M.D.'s.

That's true, but it is the exception, not the rule.

[panerd]

I used to wait tables with a guy who was in chiropractic school while I was working on becoming a teacher. He was a real asshole and used to always talk about how those who can't teach. I think my jaded view of chiropractors is at least in part due to him.

[panerd]

maybe he's been drinking too much dairy and taking hot showers.

he needs some couchgrass and some crampart.

For you see it's in the medical establishments best interests you remain sick. You see, that insures good business. You're not a patient. You're a customer. You see, you are in disharmony. The throat is the gateway to the lung. Tonsillitis, adenoiditis, is, in Chinese medical terms, and invasion of heat and wind.

But wasn't Tor Eckman curing George's tonsilitis? I don't think he was a chiropractor. Of course Bob Sacanmano got screwed over by doctors.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I don't disagree. Some chiropractors are probably not too good and encourage silly solutions. I've never met one of these chiropractors and my experiences with them have always been good. Chiropractors do have a good historical reason for distrusting the medical profession since they tried to force every state to ban chiropractors from working (and almost succeed until the chiropractors won some lawsuits). With that being said, I agree with your point that I don't want one who talks about conspiracies and wears tinfoil hats. I just want one who does spinal adjustments (the same adjustments you can get an M.D. to do) and lets me go about my business.

Good grief ... me & John Galt in apparently complete agreement on something.
Close the thread now, the subject is settled.

[stevew]

I think he still goes at the end of the first round. As others have suggested, I can't see Pittsburgh passing on him if he's available. He's their Bettis replacement.


God i hope not. Not the Steelers type of player, and we already have one gimpy legged back(Duce). I think if the Steelers take a back it will be Maurice Drew or Joseph Addai. Staley/Parker/Haynes will do a solid job.

They might be throwing up a smokescreen, but he hasn't even had a private interview, while 20 odd other guys have.

[dubb93]

If LenDale is going to fall that far, I hope the Colts take him. We need to replace Edge anyway, I'm sure that LenDale will play at some point this season. Heck, look at what he did at USC, he performs on gameday. Anyone good enough to take carries away from the top talent in the draft is a good player.

[IwasHere]

You sir are a moron. I personally suffered an injury in football once that sent me to a chiropractor. How serious was it? Well I couldn't even walk due to a back injury.

A real life chiropractor perscribed me with pain medication and muscle relaxors, and then a real life chiropractor performed surgery on me in a real life hospital that really worked! So STFU when you don't know what you are talking about, they aren't all quacks.
I am pretty sure this Doctor was an MD. Unless you live in some 3rd World Country; then all bets are off.

Chiropractors can not prescribe medicine and are not allowed anywhere near an opperating room.

You may want to check your facts again.

[ISiddiqui]

Chiropractors can be MDs, you know? There isn't a rule against it ;).

[Franklinnoble]

Chiropractors can be MDs, you know? There isn't a rule against it ;).

It's awfully unlikely. An MD working as a chiropractor would be like Anthony Hopkins doing dinner theater. I mean, it could happen, but it's probably not the career path he'd take.

[IwasHere]

It's awfully unlikely. An MD working as a chiropractor would be like Anthony Hopkins doing dinner theater. I mean, it could happen, but it's probably not the career path he'd take.
I could see it happen if it went the other way. A chiropractor who decides he wants to become a real doctor and goes back to school.

[sabotai]

It's awfully unlikely. An MD working as a chiropractor would be like Anthony Hopkins doing dinner theater. I mean, it could happen, but it's probably not the career path he'd take.

But at the same time, it's hard to turn down $20 just to crack someone's back, even for an MD. ;)

[MikeVic]

I could see it happen if it went the other way. A chiropractor who decides he wants to become a real doctor and goes back to school.

What do you call a docter who fails out of med school?

Sorry, couldn't resist a Seinfeld-esque joke here. :D

[JS19]

When I injured my neck, I went to 2 different rehab centers that had all levels of practioners including chiropractors. They all worked well together and I there certainly weren't any quacks that I met. Chiropractors aren't analogous to M.D.'s - they are analogous to physical or occupational therapists. And, in my limited experience, I've actually found the chiropractors to be more knowledgable and helpful than my experiences with physical therapists.

I might have to speak with you more Mr. Galt. A month ago I fractured my C-2 vertabrae in an accident, and my neurologist recommended I don't see a chiropractor in the future. Being that I never have before I didn't really look too much in to it. Not sure if he personally feels that they are no good, or that my injury isn't worth the risk. In about 2 months (hopefully less) I will begin rehab on the neck, so I will mention it to them and see what they think.

Getting back to LenDale. I know this thread isn't so much about how he will perform, and mainly basing this on a gut feeling, I believe as long as he stays healthy he will be a vey solid RB in the NFL. I base this just on watching him play in college, to me he seemed like the real deal. An ideal situation to me would seem to be in Indy, but knowing how Denver handles their RBs he seems like he would be a good fit there as well. I also think Pittsburgh would be a great place for him but as it was mentioned, they are probably looking for someone who can make more of an impact this year.

[Eaglesfan27]

It's awfully unlikely. An MD working as a chiropractor would be like Anthony Hopkins doing dinner theater. I mean, it could happen, but it's probably not the career path he'd take.

I agree. The amount of debt that most medical students take on, and the fact that chiropractic work is not in the field of medicine in that there are no residencies after medical school in "chiropractic" medicine makes this a very unlikely career path. I think it is more likely that someone would be a chiropractor and then decide to go to medical school.

[stevew]

God i hope not. Not the Steelers type of player, and we already have one gimpy legged back(Duce). I think if the Steelers take a back it will be Maurice Drew or Joseph Addai. Staley/Parker/Haynes will do a solid job.

They might be throwing up a smokescreen, but he hasn't even had a private interview, while 20 odd other guys have.


Okay, it does look like the Steelers are bringing White in now, after all. I think the team could deal with him sitting out most of this year, I'd rather have a saftety at 32nd, though. I just think the recent success has been due to the team getting hard working players with minimal attitude, and it just doesnt seem like Lendale has that kind of history.

[watravaler]

Lendale White...Carolina or Indy, I'll be taking him fairly high in my FF draft. Put it on the board, YES!

[IwasHere]

A real life chiropractor perscribed me with pain medication and muscle relaxors, and then a real life chiropractor performed surgery on me in a real life hospital that really worked! So STFU when you don't know what you are talking about, they aren't all quacks.
dubb93, I think I am going to have to call BULLSHIT on this.

Could you please provide a link or even a name to this chiropractor who prescribes medicine and performs back surgery.

dubb93 I think your lying through your teetth In other words; "YOUR A PHONY, A BIG FAT PHONY. HEY EVERYONE LOOK THIS GUY IS A PHONY, A BIG FAT PHONY" (FG)

[duckman]

I might have to speak with you more Mr. Galt. A month ago I fractured my C-2 vertabrae in an accident, and my neurologist recommended I don't see a chiropractor in the future. Being that I never have before I didn't really look too much in to it. Not sure if he personally feels that they are no good, or that my injury isn't worth the risk. In about 2 months (hopefully less) I will begin rehab on the neck, so I will mention it to them and see what they think.

My neurosurgeon told me the exact same thing when I told me the same thing after my surgery last year. He also told me that no one should go see a chiropractor when having neck problems. I did have my neck worked on a few years back when I first started having neck problems and he said it would not be out of the realm of possibility that the chiropractor made my condition worst. However, he has recommended people in the past to see one when they have middle to lower back problems.

[Easy Mac]

those who say physical therapists and chiropractors are the same have obviously never been to a PT. They're jobs aren't even remotely similar. One cracks your bones, one actually works on a real problem.

[kenparker23]

just a quick chiropractor story. We had a patient who had a large rotator cuff tear. My partner fixed the repair. The patient had saw a chiropractor for three visits prior to seeing us. His therapy consisted of the chiropractor putting his fist between his legs and rubbing his shoulder. After he saw us, he went back to the chiropractor and told him he had a large rotator cuff tear. The chiropractor said "that is how those guys make their money".

After his cuff was repaired he went on to have a good recovery. The patient told us his insurance paid us $1100 to fix his cuff and all of the global follow-up. They paid the chiropractor $800 for rubbing his shoulder.

I do think there are good chiropractors out there. But it is things like this that hurt them.

[Desnudo]

The passion about chiropractors brought to this thread is impressive.

[dubb93]

dubb93, I think I am going to have to call BULLSHIT on this.

Could you please provide a link or even a name to this chiropractor who prescribes medicine and performs back surgery.

dubb93 I think your lying through your teetth In other words; "YOUR A PHONY, A BIG FAT PHONY. HEY EVERYONE LOOK THIS GUY IS A PHONY, A BIG FAT PHONY" (FG)

Well, I just looked at the guy and it appears he has now moved on the "family medicine." He(and I) was fairly young when I went to him, and at the time the doctor that sent me to him told me he was a "chiropractor."

Prehaps the doctor tried to use something I understood? Nevertheless, he did have a very "chiropractoresque" approach, in that he tried to pop my back b/f I told him "no." At which point he ordered an MRI and gave me medication. Later he performed my surgery.

[JeeberD]

Was/is he a DO instead of an MD, dubb?

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002020.htm

[dubb93]

Was/is he a DO instead of an MD, dubb?

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002020.htm

My best guess is that he was back then, now when I look up his license it says he is an MD. Like I said, at the time I went to him he was in his mid to late twenties and that was 5-6 years ago. He is no longer even in the same building or field(although he is in the same town.)

He probably figured out that wasn't what he wanted to do and went back to become an M.D.

I've seen him running around the hospital from time to time, I'll ask him next time I see him.

[Eaglesfan27]

My best guess is that he was back then, now when I look up his license it says he is an MD. Like I said, at the time I went to him he was in his mid to late twenties and that was 5-6 years ago. He is no longer even in the same building or field(although he is in the same town.)

He probably figured out that wasn't what he wanted to do and went back to become an M.D.

I've seen him running around the hospital from time to time, I'll ask him next time I see him.

It is highly unlikely that a D.O. would become an MD. D.O's usually have slightly lower grades in undergraduate and go to a D.O School because they can't get into Medical School. D.O's do continue their education after their schooling via a residency. D.O's can already write prescriptions and do other things that M.D.'s can do.

Edit: Here is a paragraph that explains it a bit better:

There are two types of physicians: M.D.—Doctor of Medicine—and D.O.—Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine. M.D.s also are known as allopathic physicians. While both M.D.s and D.O.s may use all accepted methods of treatment, including drugs and surgery, D.O.s place special emphasis on the body’s musculoskeletal system, preventive medicine, and holistic patient care. D.O.s are more likely than M.D.s to be primary care specialists although they can be found in all specialties. About half of D.O.s practice general or family medicine, general internal medicine, or general pediatrics

[Logan]

It is highly unlikely that a D.O. would become an MD. D.O's usually have slightly lower grades in undergraduate and go to a D.O School because they can't get into Medical School. D.O's do continue their education after their schooling via a residency. D.O's can already write prescriptions and do other things that M.D.'s can do.

Edit: Here is a paragraph that explains it a bit better:

There are two types of physicians: M.D.—Doctor of Medicine—and D.O.—Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine. M.D.s also are known as allopathic physicians. While both M.D.s and D.O.s may use all accepted methods of treatment, including drugs and surgery, D.O.s place special emphasis on the body’s musculoskeletal system, preventive medicine, and holistic patient care. D.O.s are more likely than M.D.s to be primary care specialists although they can be found in all specialties. About half of D.O.s practice general or family medicine, general internal medicine, or general pediatrics

I know you're not trying to rip D.O.s or anything, but I feel the need to jump in and defend them (well, one) anyway.

My brother-in-law is a D.O. I'm not 100% sure why he went that route, but it's probably because his father and grandfather both graduated from the school he would eventually go to. He graduated at the top of his class and is now starting his last year of residency in Philly. He's going to be an ER doctor when he's done, and has gotten offers from all the hospitals in Philly and NJ. Anyway, I know you weren't generalizing, but I still felt the need to say...just like how there's probably some shitty MDs, there's probably some great DOs out there too.

[Eaglesfan27]

I know you're not trying to rip D.O.s or anything, but I feel the need to jump in and defend them (well, one) anyway.

My brother-in-law is a D.O. I'm not 100% sure why he went that route, but it's probably because his father and grandfather both graduated from the school he would eventually go to. He graduated at the top of his class and is now starting his last year of residency in Philly. He's going to be an ER doctor when he's done, and has gotten offers from all the hospitals in Philly and NJ. Anyway, I know you weren't generalizing, but I still felt the need to say...just like how there's probably some shitty MDs, there's probably some great DOs out there too.

I realized afterwards how what I said could be taken the wrong way. I've worked with some excellent D.O.'s since there were quite a few that were residents at hospitals that I trained at during medical school. I wasn't trying to put them down in any way, however, I'll stand by the generalization that many D.O's chose their school because of slightly lower grades in undergraduate and difficulty getting into an M.D. school. I can cite statistics of average MCAT's and GPA's to back up my point. That doesn't mean nor did I mean to imply that they aren't good docs.

Also, the point stands that I don't see a D.O. becoming an M.D. That is VERY redundant and doesn't make sense from a career development standpoint.

[st.cronin]

As far as I can tell, a D.O. is just an M.D. with a slightly different orientation. They can do everything an M.D. can do. A chiropracter is a totally different animal.

[Glengoyne]

I'll second third or fourth the mixed bag sentiment.

I've heard of Chiropractors that seem to be simply money grinders. Looking for the repeat business, claiming to treat colds and such.

Then I've known people who went through rehab for serious accidents at establishments specializing in Physical Therapy and Chronic Pain conditions. There the PTs and Chiropractors work hand in hand to correct problems and seem to yield good results.

When my wife was pregnant the second time around she had pretty severe back problems. Her doctor sent her to a Physical Therapist who determined that her pelvic bones were all out of whack. They loosen up during pregnancy, and sometimes really cause problems if they don't "settle" correctly. The PT did several "Chiropractic" type things to her, essentially moving her bones around by positioning her limbs in specific ways...sort of like cracking a back or doing an adjustment, except he was working with her legs and feet mostly. In any case. He was doing very chiropractic things to her, and it workded out great.

[IwasHere]

Dub93 any chance he was just a PA?


The parasites of the medical community. They are worthless without feeding on an old retired doctor.

The illegal aliens of medicine. They will only charge you about half of what an MD does.

With a 2 year junior college degree you too can run around playing doctor and writing all the prescriptions you want.

I give you the bottom feeders of the medical community, I give you the Physician Assistant.


Actually I don't think it is that uncommon for a PA to eventually go on and become an MD.

[Izulde]

FWIW, I wouldn't go to a chiropractor for neck problems. My acupuncturist is another one who's voiced the line of chiropractors being excellent treatment for back pain, but have them fiddle with your neck and you run the real risk of having it worsened.

My mom and cousin both have gone to a chiropractor for back problems and it's helped them out tremendously.

A couple Christmases ago, I wrecked my back so bad I had to have a cortisone shot, which didn't do a damned thing for me.

Went to the chiropractor and my back got fixed.

[Logan]

I realized afterwards how what I said could be taken the wrong way. I've worked with some excellent D.O.'s since there were quite a few that were residents at hospitals that I trained at during medical school. I wasn't trying to put them down in any way, however, I'll stand by the generalization that many D.O's chose their school because of slightly lower grades in undergraduate and difficulty getting into an M.D. school. I can cite statistics of average MCAT's and GPA's to back up my point. That doesn't mean nor did I mean to imply that they aren't good docs.

Also, the point stands that I don't see a D.O. becoming an M.D. That is VERY redundant and doesn't make sense from a career development standpoint.

Points taken.

[JeeberD]

My brother-in-law is a D.O. I'm not 100% sure why he went that route...

My Pops is/was (he just retired) a DO as well. And in his case, EF27 is probably right. My dad was a chemistry major in college and really had no interest in medicine until after he graduated and went to Vietnam. While there, he was put in charge of a medical platoon, and very quickly fell in love medicine. When he got back in-country, he had the Army put him through med school...but he's said that he was pretty lucky to get into med school since he hadn't concentrated on his grades as much as most students who go to med school.

[Greyroofoo]

there is no way the Colts are taking White