Pink, yea the pop star...

[chinaski]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eDJ3cuXKV4&eurl=

Gotta love pop with a message. Shes batting 2 for 2 with Stupid Girl and now this. The song brings up a great question for all parties, why would you ever want a President who knows nothing about hard work?

for the record, i am not a pop fan, i despise top 40... i do however respect bands that can work the mainstream and still maintain credibility. Pink is starting to move into the credible category imo.

[SirFozzie]

well, it's not like she had many republican fans to start with..

(and yes, I know that this will bring out the trite "Hollywood Liberal" line of talking, but at least it's not pop pablum.)

[chinaski]

Thats true, lines like "What kind of father would hate his daughter if she was gay?" wont move many conservatives. preaching to the choir, but you really dont see many pop protest songs that actually work.

[Maple Leafs]

Wow, first Paris Hilton then George Bush. She certainly goes after the tough targets, doesn't she? What's next, deft social commentary about Barry Bonds and AFLAC commercials?

[chinaski]

you can offer more worthy targets for pop? more women than ever get plastic surgery, to me its the modern day witchcraft and im a puritan. good for pink for be able to inject some truth into the masses.

[Desnudo]

Because most of our presidents come from blue collar backgrounds. I'm not sure what was funnier: the self-righteousness, the guy on guitar, or the dudes singing along in the audience.

[Vinatieri for Prez]

Uh, I think the song was about one president in particular. I think his collar was neither blue nor white, but silver & gold.

[IwasHere]

Because most of our presidents come from blue collar backgrounds.
Do you know what Blue Collar is?

The President and the Working Class generally do not have to much in common.

[CamEdwards]

I thought "Stupid Girls" was a pretty cool little ditty, but as far as protest songs go, she's no Green Day.


Dear Mr. President
Come take a walk with me
Let's pretend we're just two people and
You're not better than me
I'd like to ask you some questions if we can speak honestly

What do you feel when you see all the homeless on the street
Who do you pray for at night before you go to sleep
What do you feel when you look in the mirror
Are you proud

How do you sleep while the rest of us cry
How do you dream when a mother has no chance to say goodbye
How do you walk with your head held high
Can you even look me in the eye
And tell me why

Dear Mr. President
Were you a lonely boy
Are you a lonely boy
Are you a lonely boy
How can you say
No child is left behind
We're not dumb and we're not blind
They're all sitting in your cells
While you pave the road to hell

What kind of father would take his own daughter's rights away
And what kind of father might hate his own daughter if she were gay
I can only imagine what the first lady has to say
You've come a long way from whiskey and cocaine

How do you sleep while the rest of us cry
How do you dream when a mother has no chance to say goodbye
How do you walk with your head held high
Can you even look me in the eye

Let me tell you bout hard work
Minimum wage with a baby on the way
Let me tell you bout hard work
Rebuilding your house after the bombs took them away
Let me tell you bout hard work
Building a bed out of a cardboard box
Let me tell you bout hard work
Hard work
Hard work
You don't know nothing bout hard work
Hard work
Hard work
Oh

How do you sleep at night
How do you walk with your head held high
Dear Mr. President
You'd never take a walk with me
Would you

This is setting a fairly high bar for P!nk's vote. For her to be happy with the President, nobody must go to bed hungry. Nobody must shed a tear over a child volunteering for the military. No military action must ever be taken, at least not in a way that could damage a civilian's home.

And of course, the President must come from a blue collar background.

On the other hand, the Indigo Girls must be thrilled that they're now being played on the radio for the first time in a decade.

[CraigSca]

Only via Pink's unique brand of protest did I even realize these things were happening! Hell no, we won't go! Attica! Attica!

[Raiders Army]

I'm sorry, but how can you take someone who's name is Pink seriously?

[Flasch186]

well marketing wise, the name Pink is genius. I abstain from commentary on anything else, but marketing wise, stroke of.

[TroyF]

Do you know what Blue Collar is?

The President and the Working Class generally do not have to much in common.

Turn sarcasm meter on please.

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She's an artist, if she wants to voice her message through songs, good for her. I think her opinions are wrong, I wonder if she'll sing the same song when a dem is in office (as cam said, she set the bar pretty high and not a single president will succeed under that criteria).

[Anthony]

she has small tits.

[kcchief19]

Do you know what Blue Collar is?
That's a fair question, but upon initial reflection I think Desnudo may have a point. Remember -- he said blue-collar backgrounds, so we're talking about individuals who started with humble beginnings and didn't reach "elite" status until post-adolesence.

By that standard, I don't think there is any doubt that Bill Clinton, Ronald Regan, Jimmy Carter, Gerald Ford, Richard Nixon, Lyndon Johnson, Dwight Eisenhower and Harry Truman to start -- or eight of the last 12 presidents -- all began from poor and/or humble beginnings who generally began to separate themselves from the pack in college or later.

I don't know what the breakdown would be if you looked at all the presidents -- I wouldn't be surprised if at least half came from "blue collar" type origins.

[Franklinnoble]

Bono called. He said the position of "Pretentious Activist Pop-Star Who Thinks Being A Pop Star Makes People Care About His or Her Political Opinions" has already been filled.

[Anthony]

Bono called. He said the position of "Pretentious Activist Pop-Star Who Thinks Being A Pop Star Makes People Care About His or Her Political Opinions" has already been filled.


niiiiiice, i approve.

who the fuck is Bono? do you guys get the feeling Bono walks into a world leader's office with his "we've got to save the world and i'm not only a pop star i'm also an activist" shit and they sit on their chair thinking about other things as he rambles on and then they go "great, i'll keep that in mind - ready for the photo-shoot"?

has Bono's activism ever actually resulted in anything? seriously, if all he does is just raise awareness i can talk to the President and read him an article on some pressing global issue and nothing will get done either.

[Dutch]

well, it's not like she had many republican fans to start with..

(and yes, I know that this will bring out the trite "Hollywood Liberal" line of talking, but at least it's not pop pablum.)

I listen to a lot of muscicians that work for or pledge allegiance to the Democratic Party, otherwise I'd have to listen strictly to country and western (which I enjoy more than pop, but it's not my thing).

I loved Green Day's CD despite it's anti-Bush message. What am I supposed to do? Not listen to it? You have to admit, they've got a catchy jingle that they put their political preaching to.

Its not really a question in my mind that if Pink wrote a song called, "Hey Al Qaeda, Fuck Off already." that you would crucify her. ;)

"Hollywood is a very liberal town. Declaring yourself a conservative in Hollywood would be like declaring yourself a meat eater at a vegetarian convention," Hollywood publicist Michael Levine told Reuters.

[Maple Leafs]

you can offer more worthy targets for pop? more women than ever get plastic surgery, to me its the modern day witchcraft and im a puritan. good for pink for be able to inject some truth into the masses.
Sure. It must be awful for young women to have to watch women with impossible bodies writhe around, virtually naked, singing about sex, like in that Lady Marmalade video.... of wait, that was Pink, wasn't it? Guess it was OK back then.

She's a marginally talented pop star who tried to follow the Britney Spears career path. It didn't work out for her, and now she's the little kid who says she glad she didn't win because the game is stupid anyways. Kudos to whatever marketing firm came up with the idea of turning her into a social commentator for the shallow-minded, but that doesn't mean we have to take her seriously.

[Raiders Army]

If she really wanted to make a difference for women, she would fight for more equal rights...say, mandatory Selective Service registration for women as well as men.

[SirFozzie]

Its not really a question in my mind that if Pink wrote a song called, "Hey Al Qaeda, Fuck Off already." that you would crucify her. ;)

Well, either the winky face indicates sarcasm, or you're out of your mind on prescription drugs.. If she did, I'd applaud just as much. What I was trying to say in the 2nd post in this thread, that I'm glad songs have a message.. which is something that's died out in the last few years.

[LastWhiteSoxFanStanding]

I like her music.

As for political views, I could care less. I look to athletes for that.

[Raiders Army]

Well, either the winky face indicates sarcasm, or you're out of your mind on prescription drugs.. If she did, I'd applaud just as much. What I was trying to say in the 2nd post in this thread, that I'm glad songs have a message.. which is something that's died out in the last few years.
I bet you're a big fan of Cat's in the Cradle. :)

[Dutch]

If she did, I'd applaud just as much.

Bullshit. I think you would call her a "tool of the Bush admin propaganda" and your ilk would have 2,500 blogs go up over night to "prove" it.

[Shkspr]

niiiiiice, i approve.

who the fuck is Bono? do you guys get the feeling Bono walks into a world leader's office with his "we've got to save the world and i'm not only a pop star i'm also an activist" shit and they sit on their chair thinking about other things as he rambles on and then they go "great, i'll keep that in mind - ready for the photo-shoot"?

has Bono's activism ever actually resulted in anything? seriously, if all he does is just raise awareness i can talk to the President and read him an article on some pressing global issue and nothing will get done either.

HA calling Bono out on being a poser. Tee Hee.

[chinaski]

damn these people who try to make a difference! how dare they try to make the world a better place.

[SirFozzie]

Bullshit. I think you would call her a "tool of the Bush admin propaganda" and your ilk would have 2,500 blogs go up over night to "prove" it.

Sad, Dutch, really sad. You've apparently gotten to the point where you've painted yourself into a corner and lashhing out against everyone who's not like you.

[Schmidty]

Wow, first Paris Hilton then George Bush. She certainly goes after the tough targets, doesn't she? What's next, deft social commentary about Barry Bonds and AFLAC commercials?

Hahaha!!

Totally correct. The term "shooting fish in a barrel" somes to mind.

Why is there even thread/discussion on this? Most people think Bush sucks. The ones that don't think he sucks aren't going to change their mind because of a stupid Pink song, so what's the point other than a crappy "celebrity" piling on and grandstanding?

[SirFozzie]

niiiiiice, i approve.

who the fuck is Bono? do you guys get the feeling Bono walks into a world leader's office with his "we've got to save the world and i'm not only a pop star i'm also an activist" shit and they sit on their chair thinking about other things as he rambles on and then they go "great, i'll keep that in mind - ready for the photo-shoot"?

has Bono's activism ever actually resulted in anything? seriously, if all he does is just raise awareness i can talk to the President and read him an article on some pressing global issue and nothing will get done either.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/18/magazine/18bono.html?ex=1145937600&en=88c1d92a1f7a5a1a&ei=5070

Pwned.

[Deattribution]

It's hilarious listening to a pop star talk about hard work, atleast if you're a musician play an instrument before you talk about hard work of others when you're making millions singing shitty music.


damn these people who try to make a difference! how dare they try to make the world a better place.

You have to be kidding right? Make the world a better place? What difference is she making?

[Deattribution]

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/18/magazine/18bono.html?ex=1145937600&en=88c1d92a1f7a5a1a&ei=5070

Pwned.


There really wasn't a comparison to begin with, one is making a song about it while the other is, ya'know, actually trying to do something about issues - including donating his own money (along with proceeds from concerts ect).

[SirFozzie]

Deattribution, if you look at the post I was replying to, HA was calling Bono a poser..

[Deattribution]

Deattribution, if you look at the post I was replying to, HA was calling Bono a poser..

Oh I know that, wasn't calling you out for posting that - just saying that Bono was a different story to begin with.

[JonInMiddleGA]

... but at least it's not pop pablum.)

Arguably, it's worse.

It's a vapid former heroin user who recently managed to swallow her diamond stud chip tooth ornament suddenly deciding to invade Bono's turf as politically clueless pop star.

The "arguable" part comes from the reality that I'm not sure whether any significant number of people are actually going to take socio-political clues from this twit. If they do, then this is actually much worse than "pop pablum" since that would carry less chance to do any significant harm.

[chinaski]

Hahaha!!

Totally correct. The term "shooting fish in a barrel" somes to mind.

Why is there even thread/discussion on this? Most people think Bush sucks. The ones that don't think he sucks aren't going to change their mind because of a stupid Pink song, so what's the point other than a crappy "celebrity" piling on and grandstanding?
Of course Maple is correct, thats beyond obvious. Were talking about a pop star here, pop music. Of course this isnt going to be deep, its pop. As like all pop music, the song isnt "good", i heard it once and I can play the whole thing on my guitar. The lyrics are nothing special, but it does have a couple great lines. Whats special is, to me anyways, this is like Jessica Simpson actually writing a song and too top it off, its a pop song with conscience. not a pop song about shaking your tits. this is about a pop star using her mainstream accessibility for something. its refreshing to see a pop tart who actually has some idea whats going on in the world.

I think some unwitting 18yo "republicans" will hear this song eventually and a line like "what kind of father would take his daughters rights away?" might actually strike a chord in them.

It would be too obvious, lets say, to create a post about Neil Youngs new album. I expect a good protest album from Neil Young, not a Pink.

[chinaski]

plus the line "I can only imagine what the first lady has to say, youve come a long way from whiskey and cocaine" That shit is hilarious.

[Schmidty]

I think some unwitting 18yo "republicans" will hear this song eventually and a line like "what kind of father would take his daughters rights away?" might actually strike a chord in them.

No offense, but that's the exact reason why I dislike "democrats": Blind conceit.

I dislike republicans for a totally different reason, but that's not the point.

[Dutch]

Sad, Dutch, really sad. You've apparently gotten to the point where you've painted yourself into a corner and lashhing out against everyone who's not like you.

At least we're all human. Now you're lashing out at me? You honestly feel like there is only one side to this story? That those who support the President's decisions should just shut up?

[Dutch]

damn these people who try to make a difference! how dare they try to make the world a better place.

Are you telling me I don't have the right to disagree with her opinion?

[Joe]

You have to be kidding right? Make the world a better place? What difference is she making?

She's making a difference in her bank account by singing these kind of songs. It's a smart move on her part.

[chinaski]

No offense, but that's the exact reason why I dislike "democrats": Blind conceit.

I dislike republicans for a totally different reason, but that's not the point.
How so? Im not slamming anyone. There are plenty of people who identify with a party and have no idea why they are republican or democrat. So many kids just say they are Democrat just becuase their daddy is one and vice versa. A kid listening to this song might actually think, "hey you know thats right... what kind of father would try to take his daughters rights away?" or "what kind of father would hate his daughter if she were gay?" That one single line might actually open the window to a new level of awareness. its always worth a shot. People who listent to top 40 tend to be 1. young and via #1, 2. completely clueless politically (by no fault of their own, they just dont pay attention). If a pop tart can actually convey a message to them other than ass shakin, im all for it.

[SirFozzie]

At least we're all human. Now you're lashing out at me? You honestly feel like there is only one side to this story? That those who support the President's decisions should just shut up?

Nah, I'm just calling you out on the tired whine that if we don't march in lockstep with The Prez, then we're wearing pleated skirts and waving pompoms aroung chanting "Go Al-Qaeda, Go!".

And don't tell me you didn't say that

Its not really a question in my mind that if Pink wrote a song called, "Hey Al Qaeda, Fuck Off already." that you would crucify her.

and..

Bullshit. I think you would call her a "tool of the Bush admin propaganda" and your ilk would have 2,500 blogs go up over night to "prove" it.

I'm what passes for a Moderate around here. I am a registered independent, and vote for centrist candidates on both sides of the platform.

So climb carefully down from your high horse, before you trip and break your neck.

[chinaski]

Are you telling me I don't have the right to disagree with her opinion?
Um, no. classic response though.

People are slamming pop stars for actually voicing a opinion, all people should voice their opinion. No matter how much of a tool i may personally think Bono is, its completely rediculous to put someone down because they use their celebrity to help people or raise awareness. If someone doesnt believe Bono or Geldoff havent made a positive difference in this world, then they would be insane. Bono does more than than most developed nations for AIDS or Darfur. What a pussy! cmon. :rolleyes:

Pink to a much, much lesser extent is doing that. Shes no Dylan, Young or even Bono for that matter. but the people who listen to her music arent nearly aware as someone who love Dylan, Young or even the people who love what U2 puts out nowadays.

[Dutch]

People are slamming pop stars for actually voicing a opinion

That's where you are wrong. She can sing about anything she wants. But I have the right to voice my disagreement with her voiced opinion. And like her and you, I feel an obligation to voice it.

[Dutch]

Nah, I'm just calling you out on the tired whine that if we don't march in lockstep with The Prez

Look, I disagree with your point of view. I disagree with your opinion. If mine is a tired whine, then what is yours? If mine is lockstep with the foreign policy of the US, then what does your lockstep represent?

We are the same, just from different sides of the spectrum.

[Dutch]

She's making a difference in her bank account by singing these kind of songs. It's a smart move on her part.

I remember this one when the Democrats were blaming Bush for hitting New Orleans with a Cat 5 Hurricane.

"And coming in on the charts at #42, it's best apprearance to date after 13 weeks on the Top 40 countdown is Golddigger!"

hmmm.....uhhh....GEORGE BUSH HATES BLACK PEOPLE!

"And coming in at the top of the charts in it's 14th week....Golddigger!"

:)

[CamEdwards]

Nah, I'm just calling you out on the tired whine that if we don't march in lockstep with The Prez, then we're wearing pleated skirts and waving pompoms aroung chanting "Go Al-Qaeda, Go!".

And don't tell me you didn't say that



and..



I'm what passes for a Moderate around here. I am a registered independent, and vote for centrist candidates on both sides of the platform.

So climb carefully down from your high horse, before you trip and break your neck.

I find it amusing that the "moderate" has a quote about kicking people in the head for voting Republican.

[Dutch]

I find it amusing that the "moderate" has a quote about kicking people in the head for voting Republican.

:)

[SirFozzie]

I find it amusing that the "moderate" has a quote about kicking people in the head for voting Republican.

That's because it's a funny lyric ;)

[chinaski]

That's where you are wrong. She can sing about anything she wants. But I have the right to voice my disagreement with her voiced opinion. And like her and you, I feel an obligation to voice it.
I dont know wtf youre talking about. I never once said you are wrong, or you cant express your displeasure with her, the song, or the message of the song.

I said "how dare these poeple try to make a difference!" to franklin and HA. "Pretentious Activist Pop-Star Who Thinks Being A Pop Star Makes People Care About His or Her Political Opinions". because as a matter of fact, being a pop star does put you in a position of influence. Would you rather have 50 cents or Pinks who push YOUR values? One says women should be disrespected and treated like hookers or one that says women should be strong and not feel like they need plastic surgery. marketed, contrived or whatnot the message remains.

Me posting this is partially a backhanded compliment to Pink, i thought she was another complete dumbass pop star up until Stupid Girl and now Dear Mr. President. Now i just think shes semi stupid, but at least has some clue socially. I dont expect Pink fans to be smart in any way, but at least now they can be stupid and hear a good message while at it.

Now some lyrics from one of my favorite country artists.


Why don't we liberate these United States,
We're the ones that need it worst.
Let the rest of the world help us for a change,
And let's rebuild America first.
Our highways an' bridges are fallin' apart:
Who's blessed an' who has been cursed?
There's things to be done all over the world,
But let's rebuild America first.Who's on the Hill and who's watchin' the valley?
An' who's in charge of it all?
God bless the army an' God bless our liberty,
And back dump the rest of it all.
Yeah, men in position are backin' away:
Freedom is stuck in reverse.
Let's get out of Iraq an' get back on the track,
And let's rebuild America first.Why don't we liberate these United States,
We're the ones who need it the most.
You think I'm blowin smoke? Boys it ain't no joke.
I make twenty trips a year from coast to coast.

Some people like it when Toby Keith advocates the killing of all arabs, i like Merles message instead.

[BrianD]

If I had any interest in Pink before, this would immediately put her on my do-not-buy list. It bothers me when performers use their "art" to push a political message...whichever side they are on. I pay my entertainers to entertain me, and that is really about it.

[Maple Leafs]

I have no problem with an artist being political. George Bush deserves some bashing and if a pop artist wants to pile on, go ahead. But at least put some effort into it. At least give me enough that I can pretend you're not blatantly trying to fit a marketing niche. I expect some spin, but in the words of Dennis Miller, don't bullshit me like I'm Montel Williams.

I mean, Bush may very well have lied to a nation to lead it into war. He's trampling all over civil rights. He refuses to fire anyone nobody how badly they screw up. And his financial policies may be crippling for future generations.

So what do we get from this deep thinking pop star? Well, all those issues are, like, complicated and stuff. So I'm going to mostly sing about the homeless instead. But I'll make sure I get a "cocaine" reference in there!

Yes, yes. Nice work, Swift.

[Vinatieri for Prez]

Ah, yes. This thread is a perfect example of George Bush's role as a "uniter" and not a "divider."

[BrianD]

Ah, yes. This thread is a perfect example of George Bush's role as a "uniter" and not a "divider."

Huh?

[ice4277]

This thread, like most of Pink's music, is best enjoyed by avoiding it altogether.

[Glengoyne]

I bet you're a big fan of Cat's in the Cradle. :)


Hey Harry Chapin Rocks!

OK rock may have been the wrong word.