Moderation Announcement

[Ben E Lou]

Yesterday, I made a unilateral decision to temporarily remove Blade's mod rights. After consulting with the other mods, I have now made that decision permanent.

[SirFozzie]

Good decision. Sorry Blade, some folks have the skills/temperament to be a good mod, and unfortunately, looks like you don't.

[rkmsuf]

werewolves can't mod

[Raiders Army]

Interesting.

[judicial clerk]

funny, when i read this the first thing that popped into my head was chris tucker saying, "you just got knocked the fuck out"

[st.cronin]

werewolves can't mod

Actually, they can, they just always end up on the wrong side of the road when they do.

[Subby]

Where's the smoking gun?

[JonInMiddleGA]

If the glove don't fit ...

[stevew]

well, the 50ish people who said he was a bad choice are indeed right.

[CamEdwards]

Good call.

[Raiders Army]

Schmidty made this statement:

I just don't get the reasoning for Blade to be a mod. I will say this: I would never want to be a mod, as I don't fit the mold, but sincerely don't think Blade does either. As many times as I've seen him get emotional (as I do too), act childishly, insult people, etc., I think he is an EXTREMELY poor choice for a mod.

Everyone else, I whole-heartedly agree with being put in as mods.

Anyway, I will try to bury my vendetta with him, but I will certainly not kiss his ass if he starts to throw his "power" around (which I fully expect to happen).

[Subby]

Yeah, I never thought he was a good choice - I just didn't know if a particualr instance caused his removal.

[Toddzilla]

Hey! Let's all shit all over Blade! Yay!

We get it, he wasn't a popular choice and the HNIC made a correction. Move on.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Hey! Let's all shit all over Blade! Yay!

We get it, he wasn't a popular choice and the HNIC made a correction. Move on.

Agreed.

[SirFozzie]

Hey! Let's all shit all over Blade! Yay!

We get it, he wasn't a popular choice and the HNIC made a correction. Move on.

More like.. "Good to see a mistake corrected, let's not have it happen again."

[Daimyo]

Good decision.

[Qwikshot]

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i107/qwikshot1975/keef.jpg

Keef approves.

EDIT: This is nothing against Blade, I just wanted to post this picture.

[Subby]

More like.. "Good to see a mistake corrected, let's not have it happen again."
You sound like a dick here.

[SirFozzie]

I sound like a dick often, your point? :D

[rkmsuf]

Hey! Let's all shit all over Blade! Yay!



that's hot

[WSUCougar]

You sound like a dick here.
Agreed. I didn't realize that SirFozzie was a screenname for Jesus Christ, and He is thus perfect. :rolleyes:

[SirFozzie]

All I'm saying is, looking at Blade's history here, he was a horrible choice to be a mod, and everyone knew it at the time, and it's just been proven now.

The rest of the mods I have no problem with.

[Barkeep49]

The mature response being shown by several members of the board to this news reaffirms in my mind the high caliber of people who frequent this board.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Hey! Let's all shit all over Blade! Yay!

I saw that film when in Japan. No sir, I did not like it.

[KWhit]

Good decision, SD.

[Franklinnoble]

Did Blade actually do something inappropriate with his mod privileges, or is this just a case of "we didn't like his overall behavior, so we took them away?"

[MizzouRah]

All I'm saying is, looking at Blade's history here, he was a horrible choice to be a mod, and everyone knew it at the time, and it's just been proven now.

The rest of the mods I have no problem with.

Not EVERYONE. His rights were taken away for a post he made in the loose change thread? Whatever...

I'm actually happy for him, who wants to be a f'n mod anyway?

[sovereignstar]

nerds away

[primelord]

All I'm saying is, looking at Blade's history here, he was a horrible choice to be a mod, and everyone knew it at the time, and it's just been proven now.

The rest of the mods I have no problem with.

Well thank God you were here to say I told you so.

[SirFozzie]

Did Blade actually do something inappropriate with his mod privileges, or is this just a case of "we didn't like his overall behavior, so we took them away?"

the Loose Change 9:11 thread, I guess.

[Franklinnoble]

the Loose Change 9:11 thread, I guess.

I don't see any abuse of mod privileges there.

[KWhit]

Who said it was abuse of mod privileges?

[rkmsuf]

mod on mod crime

[Franklinnoble]

Who said it was abuse of mod privileges?

In my opinion, that would be the only justifiable reason to revoke his privileges.

[KWhit]

In my opinion, that would be the only justifiable reason to revoke his privileges.

Not in mine.

Shurg.

[MizzouRah]

In my opinion, that would be the only justifiable reason to revoke his privileges.

x2

[bbor]

This will end badly.

[John Galt]

Not in mine.

Shurg.

Me neither. I was the QotM moderator. I was fine giving up my privileges when we abandoned the QotM. While that isn't the case here, I don't see any reason to complain. Sometimes a mod just isn't a good fit for whatever reason. That doesn't seem like a big deal to me.

edit: Although it could be said that I abused my privileges by changing ardent enthusiast's title to FOFC Survivor after he won that contest, that wasn't the reason for my downfall. ;)

[Franklinnoble]

Well, so far we haven't been given an explaination of why the action was taken. That's basically what I'm asking for, because my guess is that Blade got kicked out of the little mod club here for going off on a rant.

[BrianD]

Well, so far we haven't been given an explaination of why the action was taken. That's basically what I'm asking for, because my guess is that Blade got kicked out of the little mod club here for going off on a rant.

I'm actually fine without an explanation. In a perfect world this would have been explained as a mutual decision citing lack of time or interest and there wouldn't have had to be such a big mystery. This whole process is like sending a guard into his general population. Why give the guy that much grief?

[Deattribution]

It's better off for him cause that thread (loose change 911) is like the third or forth time I've seen people trying to play moderator because he is a mod.


'oh a mod shouldn't do this' 'a mod shouldn't do that' 'no mods can't say that' 'mods can't say that either' :rolleyes:

The guy could edit, move post and suspend people on a message board (through commitee?) nobody said they were making him a saint.

And maybe the other moderators have a better reason, no big deal to me either way - I just found it funny that some of the board started playing mother just because he was a mod now.

[heybrad]

Well, so far we haven't been given an explaination of why the action was taken. That's basically what I'm asking for, because my guess is that Blade got kicked out of the little mod club here for going off on a rant.
I would guess it was specifically because he called people in that thread pricks and assholes.

I have no horse in this race either way, but when I saw the thread I figured, that must be it.

[Abe Sargent]

At least Blade admits it when he's wrong. How many of us can say that?


-Anxiety

[Mustang]

So, we guessed Blade was a mod correctly? Sweet...

Hmm.. I think KWhit is a mod too, his postings have been verrrrry suspicious as of late....

[JeeberD]

So, we guessed Blade was a mod correctly? Sweet...


Uhhh...where the heck have you been?

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1071413&postcount=1

[KWhit]

Funny.

Vote Mustang.

[Franklinnoble]

What's the point of this thread, then?

SkyDog basically grandstanding about Blade being kicked out of the mod club with two threads on the general discussion forum about it, but no real explaination?

More dictatorship bullshit, if you asked me. The whole multiple-moderator model is a sham.

Blade hasn't changed his posting style at all since he became a mod - so I'm not sure what Ben expected him to do - suddenly muzzle himself and not have a strong opinion on anything anymore? If all he wants is vanilla mods molded in his own image, he ought to just come out and say so, and then admit he screwed up by picking a mod who had a mind of his own, and didn't want to suddenly have to be polite to everyone just because he was a mod.

[sovereignstar]

Uhhh...where the heck have you been?

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1071413&postcount=1

omg

[MrBug708]

*yawn*

This whole thread was pointless. Did we really need it announced that Blade wasn't going to be a mod anymore?

[BrianD]

What's the point of this thread, then?

SkyDog basically grandstanding about Blade being kicked out of the mod club with two threads on the general discussion forum about it, but no real explaination?

While I don't usually like to get into these kinds of posts...yes, that is my impression. The "Ping Moderators" thread and this thread seemed like a way to make this an event. I'm not sure what the point was, but I think it was unnecessary.

[rkmsuf]

It's an event when GuySmiley views your thread.



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[Mustang]

This thread needs a marching band...

http://izz.dioxide.net/pix/homecoming-2002/parade-marching-band-4.jpg

[MizzouRah]

While I don't usually like to get into these kinds of posts...yes, that is my impression. The "Ping Moderators" thread and this thread seemed like a way to make this an event. I'm not sure what the point was, but I think it was unnecessary.

* Claps Hands *

Exactly.. what's the point? What was so bad that Blade got the axe?

[sachmo71]

What's the point of this thread, then?

SkyDog basically grandstanding about Blade being kicked out of the mod club with two threads on the general discussion forum about it, but no real explaination?

More dictatorship bullshit, if you asked me. The whole multiple-moderator model is a sham.

Blade hasn't changed his posting style at all since he became a mod - so I'm not sure what Ben expected him to do - suddenly muzzle himself and not have a strong opinion on anything anymore? If all he wants is vanilla mods molded in his own image, he ought to just come out and say so, and then admit he screwed up by picking a mod who had a mind of his own, and didn't want to suddenly have to be polite to everyone just because he was a mod.

blah blah blah.

it's funny how someone can talk this much shit and still have absolutely no idea what he is saying.

what happened with blade is between him and the moderators. it's not for your consumption. if he wants to tell you, it's his business.

but know one thing...this is not a dictatorship. nothing is done unilaterally anymore. like it or not, this is the way it is.

now do me a favor and stop trolling.

[RendeR]

Wow, guess I'll never get an invite to be a Mod ;)

Seriously though, unless he abused his authority, whats the reasoning? IF its because of the general populace crying and whining about his posting style, tuff shit, he's a mod, he's not therefore required to act like mother theresa. Its not like SD or any of the other Mods haven't gone off in a post from time to time, either before or during their tenure.

*shrugs* better off for him either way, he was taking far too much shit from a large group of people anyway, y'all ought to be ashamed of yourselves for being asshats.

Oh and Fozzie...you really sound like a royal asshole in this thread, you should have dropped it after one post, but you seemed to feel the need to really rub it in, bad form dude, very very bad form.

[stevew]

ouch, Sachmo with the strong pimp hand.

[sachmo71]

Wow, guess I'll never get an invite to be a Mod ;)

Seriously though, unless he abused his authority, whats the reasoning? IF its because of the general populace crying and whining about his posting style, tuff shit, he's a mod, he's not therefore required to act like mother theresa. Its not like SD or any of the other Mods haven't gone off in a post from time to time, either before or during their tenure.

*shrugs* better off for him either way, he was taking far too much shit from a large group of people anyway, y'all ought to be ashamed of yourselves for being asshats.

Oh and Fozzie...you really sound like a royal asshole in this thread, you should have dropped it after one post, but you seemed to feel the need to really rub it in, bad form dude, very very bad form.


see my post above. Blade can tell you what happened if he wants, but otheriwise it's really none of your business, is it?

[Fonzie]

In a perfect world this would have been explained as a mutual decision citing lack of time or interest...

Blade decided to step down as moderator in order to spend more time with his family.

[Toddzilla]

what happened with blade is between him and the moderators. it's not for your consumption. if he wants to tell you, it's his business. Far be it from me to jump on in FN's defense, but I think the multiple threads - including the very one you are posting in - pretty much blows away your "between him and the mods" arguement.

[SirFozzie]

Oh and Fozzie...you really sound like a royal asshole in this thread, you should have dropped it after one post, but you seemed to feel the need to really rub it in, bad form dude, very very bad form.

If I did, my apologies to Blade and anyone else I may have offended. I let my personal dislike for Blade to run over my common sense.

[BrianD]

Blade decided to step down as moderator in order to spend more time with his family.

Exactly. Nobody is really going to gain anything by tearing Blade down, so why make it a production?

[RendeR]

blah blah blah.

it's funny how someone can talk this much shit and still have absolutely no idea what he is saying.

what happened with blade is between him and the moderators. it's not for your consumption. if he wants to tell you, it's his business.

but know one thing...this is not a dictatorship. nothing is done unilaterally anymore. like it or not, this is the way it is.

now do me a favor and stop trolling.


Bullshit, you're wrong about one thing, as soon as SD started creating a drama event by posting the PING thread and then this one he MADE this a public information situation.

Its too bad you're showing an aversion to franklin instead of actually making a valid point.

If this was between the mods and Blade then these threads should NEVER have been posted, period. If you can't understand that then you're as bad as SD on this one. Stop attacking board members for pointing the hypocrasy out to you.

[sachmo71]

Far be it from me to jump on in FN's defense, but I think the multiple threads - including the very one you are posting in - pretty much blows away your "between him and the mods" arguement.


no sir, it does not. The reasons this happened are not going to be sprawled out here. Not by me, anyway.

[sachmo71]

Bullshit, you're wrong about one thing, as soon as SD started creating a drama event by posting the PING thread and then this one he MADE this a public information situation.

Its too bad you're showing an aversion to franklin instead of actually making a valid point.

If this was between the mods and Blade then these threads should NEVER have been posted, period. If you can't understand that then you're as bad as SD on this one. Stop attacking board members for pointing the hypocrasy out to you.


make the distinction here, Render.

The act = public information
the reasons = not public

it's an important distinction

for those that are questioning as to WHY the announcement was made and if that caused unneeded drama, that's a different issue.

[RendeR]

no sir, it does not. The reasons this happened are not going to be sprawled out here. Not by me, anyway.


Then perhaps you too should stfu about the situation instead of inflaming it with assinine comments?

[Deattribution]

This will end badly.


Looking like we have a winnah.

Good thing we have mods to keep this thread in check though - right?........ right?

[sachmo71]

Then perhaps you too should stfu about the situation instead of inflaming it with assinine comments?


perhaps you should take a walk and calm down a bit?

[rkmsuf]

Exactly. Nobody is really going to gain anything by tearing Blade down, so why make it a production?

Now making his custom title "former mod" would just be piling on.

[RendeR]

make the distinction here, Render.

The act = public information
the reasons = not public

it's an important distinction


And you're still missing the point, we honestly don't give a rats fat ass what the reasons were, we're fed up with the grandstanding to flaunt power. You say tehre is nothing done unilaterally? How about starting idiotic threads which were utterly unnecessary and led to uneeded attacks on Blade?

Hrm?

Thats the problem, even with multiple Mods you people still don't open your eyes to the real issue. Your comments shouldn't have been made, period, you were just spouting off because you disliked Frank's post. Do everyone a favor and step down yourself.

[Glengoyne]

Wow, guess I'll never get an invite to be a Mod ;)

Seriously though, unless he abused his authority, whats the reasoning? IF its because of the general populace crying and whining about his posting style, tuff shit, he's a mod, he's not therefore required to act like mother theresa. Its not like SD or any of the other Mods haven't gone off in a post from time to time, either before or during their tenure.

*shrugs* better off for him either way, he was taking far too much shit from a large group of people anyway, y'all ought to be ashamed of yourselves for being asshats.

Oh and Fozzie...you really sound like a royal asshole in this thread, you should have dropped it after one post, but you seemed to feel the need to really rub it in, bad form dude, very very bad form.

The problem is that, I'd say, the majority of folks believe a Moderator's job goes beyond the utilization of his special priveleges. I think a moderator should be essentially a moderating force on the board. They should be comfortable telling someone they are crossing a line, and they should work to mitigate problems as they occur. A moderator should not incite or provoke other forum members. In my opinion, it is poor form for a moderator to do so.

[RendeR]

perhaps you should take a walk and calm down a bit?


Perhaps you should step the fuck back? hrm? Stop antagonizing the board members. talk about fucking trolling. Christ.

[rkmsuf]

I smell a limerick off.

[RendeR]

The problem is that, I'd say, the majority of folks believe a Moderator's job goes beyond the utilization of his special priveleges. I think a moderator should be essentially a moderating force on the board. They should be comfortable telling someone they are crossing a line, and they should work to mitigate problems as they occur. A moderator should not incite or provoke other forum members. In my opinion, it is poor form for a moderator to do so.


Then we shouldn't have ANY moderstors, because every one of them has done exactly that at some point in time(including SD). Its a no win situation there.

[KWhit]

The problem is that, I'd say, the majority of folks believe a Moderator's job goes beyond the utilization of his special priveleges. I think a moderator should be essentially a moderating force on the board. They should be comfortable telling someone they are crossing a line, and they should work to mitigate problems as they occur. A moderator should not incite or provoke other forum members. In my opinion, it is poor form for a moderator to do so.

Good post. That certainly is my opinion of what a moderator should be.

[stevew]

It's a trap!~

[sachmo71]

Perhaps you should step the fuck back? hrm? Stop antagonizing the board members. talk about fucking trolling. Christ.

it wasn't my intention to antogonize anyone, RenderR. if I did, I apologize.

[GoldenEagle]

Franklinnoble - defender of the people.

[RendeR]

I accept your apology, but please take a moment and go read your own posts, it was rather obvious.

[Ben E Lou]

And you're still missing the point, we honestly don't give a rats fat ass what the reasons were, we're fed up with the grandstanding to flaunt power. You say tehre is nothing done unilaterally? How about starting idiotic threads which were utterly unnecessary and led to uneeded attacks on Blade?

Hrm?

Thats the problem, even with multiple Mods you people still don't open your eyes to the real issue. Your comments shouldn't have been made, period, you were just spouting off because you disliked Frank's post. Do everyone a favor and step down yourself.Both threads were necessary.

I started the thread last night because I have neither the time nor the inclination to go research the exact screen names of all the mods to send them all a PM. I don't check the mod forum every time I come by, nor do I expect them to do so.

Furthermore, you know good and doggone well that if I'd removed him without an announcement, the complaints would be that "You try to do everything behind the scenes. It should be out in the open."

[st.cronin]

I just want to remind you all that I was the first to complain about this. I am a complainer by nature. I like Blade, I kept forgetting he was a mod, I don't care who is a mod as long as I get to have some laughs here.

[Raiders Army]

The problem is that, I'd say, the majority of folks believe a Moderator's job goes beyond the utilization of his special priveleges. I think a moderator should be essentially a moderating force on the board. They should be comfortable telling someone they are crossing a line, and they should work to mitigate problems as they occur. A moderator should not incite or provoke other forum members. In my opinion, it is poor form for a moderator to do so.
I agree with the caveat that people remember that mods are human (most of them anyhow) and make mistakes.

[Glengoyne]

And you're still missing the point, we honestly don't give a rats fat ass what the reasons were, we're fed up with the grandstanding to flaunt power. You say tehre is nothing done unilaterally? How about starting idiotic threads which were utterly unnecessary and led to uneeded attacks on Blade?
...

I didn't see this act as grandstanding, but it is a difficult message to convey without stomping on Blade. I do think the message had to get out, and I don't really see another way to do it. IF SkyDog had sent a mass PM to avoid a topic on the board, someone would have just complained about it and opened a topic on the board. The only other possibility would have been for SD and the other mods to just remain silent on the subject. Of course Then I'm sure some folks would have complained in that case as well.


I guess you can't pleease all of the people all of the time, and RendeR you are apparently just one of those people who aren't pleased.

[John Galt]

I smell a limerick off.

That only works once.

[Raiders Army]

doggone
doggone needs to be used more. dadgum is another word, too.

[rkmsuf]

That only works once.

dang. one can hope.

[wade moore]

I don't check the mod forum every time I come by, nor do I expect them to do so.


Before this portion blows up:

When a post is reported, we all get an e-mail alert. So that is an immediate visit to the mod forum. Otherwise there is nothing urgent enough that you need to monitor that forum on a constant basis.

As much as some people would like to think otherwise, there's not a constant conspiracy to mold and shape every post on FOFC going on in that forum ;).

[Franklinnoble]

Both threads were necessary.

I started the thread last night because I have neither the time nor the inclination to go research the exact screen names of all the mods to send them all a PM. I don't check the mod forum every time I come by, nor do I expect them to do so.

Furthermore, you know good and doggone well that if I'd removed him without an announcement, the complaints would be that "You try to do everything behind the scenes. It should be out in the open."

1. You don't know the names of all your mods? Bullshit.

2. You still haven't given us a reason here.

[stevew]

Furthermore, you know good and doggone well that if I'd removed him without an announcement, the complaints would be that "You try to do everything behind the scenes. It should be out in the open."

Yep.

[RendeR]

Both threads were necessary.

I started the thread last night because I have neither the time nor the inclination to go research the exact screen names of all the mods to send them all a PM. I don't check the mod forum every time I come by, nor do I expect them to do so.

Furthermore, you know good and doggone well that if I'd removed him without an announcement, the complaints would be that "You try to do everything behind the scenes. It should be out in the open."


You could just as easily posted in the mod forum and let them come to you, your time and inclination be damned, its your job. I can get past the ping thread just because it didn't have anything truly relevent posted in it. but posting this one WITHOUT a qualifying explanation was just downright assinine Ben. You handled this badly to save yourself some grief. Not worthy of you or the other moderators. You of all people knew this thread posting would lead to a landslide of trolling attacks and "I told you so's" towards Blade and no matter the reasoning for his removal that was uncalled for.

Its not an easy job, please quit taking the easiest path for yourself at the expense of others.

[Mustang]

It's a trap!~



http://www.fivedigits.net/pix/phun/itsatrap.jpg

[rkmsuf]

dagnabbit

[stevew]

More and more discussion like this is going to push me towards moving to sportsdigs for my daily sports-sims related fun.

[stevew]

dola, I couldnt type that with a straight face.

[Swaggs]

I smell a limerick off.

How about a sexy dance off?

[Butter]

Franklin, it's nice of you to try and blow this out of proportion so you can get some more traffic for your little board over there, but how's about you stop trying to stir some shit because most of us can see it for what it is.

[st.cronin]

I <3 stevew. And Bea Arthur's hip.

[KWhit]

dola, I couldnt type that with a straight face.

I'm surprised FN hasn't mentioned FOFD already.

[Eaglesfan27]

Both threads were necessary.

I started the thread last night because I have neither the time nor the inclination to go research the exact screen names of all the mods to send them all a PM. I don't check the mod forum every time I come by, nor do I expect them to do so.

Furthermore, you know good and doggone well that if I'd removed him without an announcement, the complaints would be that "You try to do everything behind the scenes. It should be out in the open."

I take them at their word, that the mods don't check the mod sub-forum every time which clearly made the ping thread necessary. In that thread, people were starting to hypothesize that Blade6119 had been removed as a mod because they could add him to their ignore list. Therefore, this thread or an announcement in that thread was clearly necessary as well. I think Skydog is correct on this one. Either way, people would complain: either he was grandstanding or he was doing things in secret, it was a no win situation for him.

[Ben E Lou]

1. You don't know the names of all your mods? Bullshit.Not off the top of my head I don't. There's no way I could name them without looking, and I didn't want to leave someone out.

[Mustang]

I'm surprised FN hasn't mentioned FOFD already.

There is a FOFC and a FOFD.. anyone start up FOFE yet?

[sovereignstar]

More and more discussion like this is going to push me towards moving to sportsdigs for my daily sports-sims related fun.

What is Sportdigs?

[Ben E Lou]

You could just as easily posted in the mod forum and let them come to you, your time and inclination be damned, its your job.Actually, no, it is a volunter position, not my job.

[rkmsuf]

How about a sexy dance off?

topless only though

[BrianD]

Both threads were necessary.

I started the thread last night because I have neither the time nor the inclination to go research the exact screen names of all the mods to send them all a PM. I don't check the mod forum every time I come by, nor do I expect them to do so.

You could...you know...write them down. Or you could create your own email group. Hell, put a text file on your desktop with all of the names so you can copy them and paste them into the PM line.

Furthermore, you know good and doggone well that if I'd removed him without an announcement, the complaints would be that "You try to do everything behind the scenes. It should be out in the open."

An announcement was appropriate, but do you not see a different between "I unilaterally decided and everyone else later agreed" and "For a number of reasons, Blade has decided to no longer be a mod"? It sort of seemed like you were looking for a big deal to be made about this.

[Ben E Lou]

When a post is reported, we all get an e-mail alert. So that is an immediate visit to the mod forum. Otherwise there is nothing urgent enough that you need to monitor that forum on a constant basis.Correct.

FWIW, I am creating a list of mods to keep in a word doc for the future right now. I won't need to Ping them in the future.

[Deattribution]

An announcement was appropriate, but do you not see a different between "I unilaterally decided and everyone else later agreed" and "For a number of reasons, Blade has decided to no longer be a mod"? It sort of seemed like you were looking for a big deal to be made about this.


Problem with that is it wasn't Blades decision, so why would he say Blade decided no longer to be a mod?


Let it go people, sheesh.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I am creating a list of mods to keep in a word doc for the future right now.

Make sure you remember to update the list in light of the recent change ;)

:D

(Sorry, I just couldn't resist the obvious joke. It just wrote itself)

[Franklinnoble]

Not off the top of my head I don't. There's no way I could name them without looking, and I didn't want to leave someone out.

Oh, come on... it's real easy to go into the board control panel and list all the members of the "Moderator" group.

Anyhow, whatever. You still haven't answered the question as to why the action was taken.

[Ben E Lou]

Oh, come on... it's real easy to go into the board control panel and list all the members of the "Moderator" group.Yeah. I didn't think of that. I just spent a couple of minutes going through my original "moderation announcement" thread to make the list. :p

[BrianD]

Problem with that is it wasn't Blades decision, so why would he say Blade decided no longer to be a mod?


But it works very well to make something a non-issue.

[JonInMiddleGA]

You still haven't answered the question as to why the action was taken.

Honestly FN, and I say this as someone who has nothing against you at all, so it's far from any sort of personal bashing -- who really gives a flying fuck "why"?

The mods are who they are, there's jackshit anybody outside of forum ownership can do about it, and no matter what the answer would be there'd be a line forming on either side of it to bitch, moan, and complain.

And, before the obvious answer to "who cares" becomes "you do" ... let it go dude, it really isn't any of your f'n business nor anybody elses except the forum owner's.

[BrianD]

Honestly FN, and I say this as someone who has nothing against you at all, so it's far from any sort of personal bashing -- who really gives a flying fuck "why"?

The mods are who they are, there's jackshit anybody outside of forum ownership can do about it, and no matter what the answer would be there'd be a line forming on either side of it to bitch, moan, and complain.

And, before the obvious answer to "who cares" becomes "you do" ... let it go dude, it really isn't any of your f'n business nor anybody elses except the forum owner's.

I think he is calling SkyDog a tease. :)

[Franklinnoble]

Honestly FN, and I say this as someone who has nothing against you at all, so it's far from any sort of personal bashing -- who really gives a flying fuck "why"?

The mods are who they are, there's jackshit anybody outside of forum ownership can do about it, and no matter what the answer would be there'd be a line forming on either side of it to bitch, moan, and complain.

And, before the obvious answer to "who cares" becomes "you do" ... let it go dude, it really isn't any of your f'n business nor anybody elses except the forum owner's.

I'm asking why in order to point out that the emperor has no clothes...

I'm pretty sure I can figure out why Blade was removed from the mod group. What I want is for SkyDog to admit it - that if you're not lock-step in line with his way of thinking, you're not welcome to help moderate his forum.

I personally think the only reason a mod should be stripped of his powers is if he abuses them. I see no evidence of this from Blade - all I see is a bunch of people crying about how a mod shouldn't have strong opinions or whatever. Like I said before, Blade hasn't changed his style of posting since he became a mod - so what's the real problem?

Seems here like he just lost a popularity contest. Why don't we just call it that?

[rkmsuf]

As his last act before leaving office you should let Blade box Franklin.

[JS19]

doggone needs to be used more. dadgum is another word, too.

I second this. Being from NY I have always found these words hilarious.

[BrianD]

I'm asking why in order to point out that the emperor has no clothes...

I'm pretty sure I can figure out why Blade was removed from the mod group. What I want is for SkyDog to admit it - that if you're not lock-step in line with his way of thinking, you're not welcome to help moderate his forum.

I personally think the only reason a mod should be stripped of his powers is if he abuses them. I see no evidence of this from Blade - all I see is a bunch of people crying about how a mod shouldn't have strong opinions or whatever. Like I said before, Blade hasn't changed his style of posting since he became a mod - so what's the real problem?

Seems here like he just lost a popularity contest. Why don't we just call it that?

So you are looking to bring down SkyDog over a mod change? Let me repeat what I said to Blade yesterday...

Lighten up Francis.

[BrianD]

As his last act before leaving office you should let Blade box Franklin.

That would be pretty funny. :)

[astrosfan64]

Franklin, it's nice of you to try and blow this out of proportion so you can get some more traffic for your little board over there, but how's about you stop trying to stir some shit because most of us can see it for what it is.

agreed

[jeff061]

I love drama. With all the facts in hand you wouldn't think a board of this nature would be able to generate such silly situations. But thankfully, for entertainment's sake, that's not the case.

[BrianD]

I love drama. With all the facts in hand you wouldn't think a board of this nature would be able to generate such silly situations. But thankfully, for entertainment's sake, that's not the case.

Oh come on, we haven't had a good banination fight in a long time. Folks around these parts get twitchy if they can't fire off a few rounds from time to time. :)

[rkmsuf]

I love drama. With all the facts in hand you wouldn't think a board of this nature would be able to generate such silly situations. But thankfully, for entertainment's sake, that's not the case.

A nerd scorned is a drama machine.

[Swaggs]

No More Drama
.

[Godzilla Blitz]

I feel badly for Blade6119 because I know he had hoped to do well as a moderator, but I have confidence that the current group of moderators have made the right decision. I don't need to know the reasons or the details.

[stevew]

.
What's the 411?

[Qwikshot]

.

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i107/qwikshot1975/hamlet2.jpg

[rkmsuf]

Does this mean we have a general election to designate another mod?

My platform is I will promise voters that I will push for the legalization of nudity.

[Qwikshot]

Does this mean we have a general election to designate another mod?

My platform is I will promise voters that I will push for the legalization of nudity.

KEEF approves!!!

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i107/qwikshot1975/keef.jpg

[Schmidty]

It's too bad that this happened, and I really hope people won't judge Blade unfairly in the future simply because his removal was so public.

[Desmond]

If you read the "Ping" thread last night, Blade didn't seem too shaken up about it at all. I think not being able to be himself was probably getting on his nerves as well. At least now he wont have to appologize and backtrack everytime someone calls him on something.

And Franklin, give it up. It's like you're trying to leading some sort of defacto army of none. It may be noble that you're so passionate about it, but really, nobody cares.

[Abe Sargent]

In retrospect, it may have been a good idea to make this announcment and then lock the thread immediately.

-Anxiety

[DaddyTorgo]

blah blah blah blah blah.

nothing to see here. now move along.

[sovereignstar]

In retrospect, it may have been a good idea to make this announcment and then lock the thread immediately.

-Anxiety

You being serious?

[rkmsuf]

You being serious?

stop calling me shirley

[RendeR]

Actually, no, it is a volunter position, not my job.


Volunteer or not the position comes with responsibilities. You fed Blade to the (were-)wolves because it was easier than taking the grief yourself. Piss poor example you set.

[Abe Sargent]

You being serious?


Absolutely.


-Anxiety

[sovereignstar]

Absolutely.


-Anxiety

You don't think it'd be a matter of minutes before a new thread was started on the very same subject?

[Franklinnoble]

You know, my only regret is that people seem stuck on the fact that I'm trying to compete with FOFC with regards to my efforts on SportsDigs.com. For starters, it's not a solo project - there are several people involved over there that had a lot more to do with it than I did, and I think we've made it pretty clear that the purpose of the forum is not to compete with, or siphon users from, FOFC.

[Raiders Army]

You don't think it'd be a matter of minutes before a new thread was started on the very same subject?
exactly

Edit--When are you going to update the Lost Season 2 thread title?

[wade moore]

You know, my only regret is that people seem stuck on the fact that I'm trying to compete with FOFC with regards to my efforts on SportsDigs.com. For starters, it's not a solo project - there are several people involved over there that had a lot more to do with it than I did, and I think we've made it pretty clear that the purpose of the forum is not to compete with, or siphon users from, FOFC.

Actions speak louder than words.

[sovereignstar]

Just in case it was taken the wrong way, my little post at the top of this page was all in good fun. I just get a kick out of seeing that in WVU Fan's sig in larger type.

[kcchief19]

You don't think it'd be a matter of minutes before a new thread was started on the very same subject?
Agreed. The best thing to do is let everybody flap their arms and tire themselves out and let the subject drop on its own. Closing a discussion just stirs up the usual suspects to get their panties in a twist.

[WSUCougar]

In retrospect, it may have been a good idea to make this announcment and then lock the thread immediately.
I agree. Everyone needs to know if/when a mod is no longer serving in that capacity. There's no other way to do it than to post it here.

The flaw in the method was assuming that the forum asshats wouldn't parade through here making it into some ridiculous martyrdom or Stalinist purge.

Oh well.

[Abe Sargent]

You don't think it'd be a matter of minutes before a new thread was started on the very same subject?


As long as it isn;t in the official announcement thread, I'd be fine with that. Then it woul be a bit less official and less important to read.


-Anxiety

[sovereignstar]

exactly

Edit--When are you going to update the Lost Season 2 thread title?

Coming up with a witty thread title each week is becoming harder and harder. Especially when only Suicane finds me funny.

[kcchief19]

Before this portion blows up:

When a post is reported, we all get an e-mail alert. So that is an immediate visit to the mod forum. Otherwise there is nothing urgent enough that you need to monitor that forum on a constant basis.

Just as a suggestion then, why not create a dummy admin account that the mods can access, post a topic in the moderation forum, then log back in as yourself and report that post so that all the mods will be summoned? That seems like a quick, discreet way to inform all the mods without having the PM them individually or maintain a list.

I've only skimmed through the thread, but my first thought last night when I saw the ping was that the unintended consequence would be to rile everybody up. Moderation discussions should be like laws and sausages -- we shouldn't see how they are made.

[RendeR]

Agreed. The best thing to do is let everybody flap their arms and tire themselves out and let the subject drop on its own. Closing a discussion just stirs up the usual suspects to get their panties in a twist.


You leave Franklin's panties out of this...

[rkmsuf]

somehow shorty hasn't chimed in

[WSUCougar]

You leave Franklin's panties out of this...
Why, you got dibs?

[RendeR]

Why, you got dibs?


Naw, I don't do panties anymore.....

[wade moore]

Just as a suggestion then, why not create a dummy admin account that the mods can access, post a topic in the moderation forum, then log back in as yourself and report that post so that all the mods will be summoned? That seems like a quick, discreet way to inform all the mods without having the PM them individually or maintain a list.


Not a bad idea, I'll mention it to Ben.

[Franklinnoble]

You leave Franklin's panties out of this...

Already taken care of... I found it easier to just go commando on FOFC.

[MizzouRah]

Seems here like he just lost a popularity contest. Why don't we just call it that?

That's too easy FN. I'm not sure why he was made a mod in the first place, seems to me this was something that was going to happen sooner or later anyway.

Blade, I told you to, "just say no".

[MrBigglesworth]

Yesterday, I made a unilateral decision to temporarily remove Blade's mod rights. After consulting with the other mods, I have now made that decision permanent.
This announcement seems as if it is intentionally trying to piss people off. You can't add a "I thank Blade very much for the time that he has spent moderating, and I'm sorry it didn't work out", or a "After discussing it with Blade, we have decided to keep the reasons for the decision private"? Instead it's just a truncated, emotionless announcement. It was handled poorly, almost begging people to complain, then playing the martyr when they do. Shocking.

[WSUCougar]

This announcement seems as if it is intentionally trying to piss people off. You can't add a "I thank Blade very much for the time that he has spent moderating, and I'm sorry it didn't work out", or a "After discussing it with Blade, we have decided to keep the reasons for the decision private"? Instead it's just a truncated, emotionless announcement. It was handled poorly, almost begging people to complain, then playing the martyr when they do. Shocking.
It's a no-win scenario. Kobiyashi Maru.

[rkmsuf]

It's a no-win scenario. Kobiyashi Maru.

He never loses though. He rigged the mod vote.

[Subby]

I think it is worth pointing out that this is the kind of thread that makes this place worth visiting regularly. :)

[Subby]

Front Office Trainwreck Central

[Schmidty]

Can't we all just say that it's an unfortunate situation, wish Blade well, and move on, instead of revelling in the drama and intrigue?

[rkmsuf]

I think it is worth pointing out that this is the kind of thread that makes this place worth visiting regularly. :)


good point, agree.

[Subby]

Can't we all just say that it's an unfortunate situation, wish Blade well, and move on, instead of revelling in the drama and intrigue?
We can all say it, but we don't mean it.

[Schmidty]

We can all say it, but we don't mean it.

Even so, it's the classy thing to do.

[GoldenEagle]

Why does Franklinoble still post here?

[AlexB]

Before this portion blows up:

When a post is reported, we all get an e-mail alert. So that is an immediate visit to the mod forum. Otherwise there is nothing urgent enough that you need to monitor that forum on a constant basis.

As much as some people would like to think otherwise, there's not a constant conspiracy to mold and shape every post on FOFC going on in that forum ;).

While I really don't give a shit about this, in order to appease people in the future maybe the way to avoid the feeling of grandstanding would be for a mod to report one of their own/fellow mods' posts, just to get the e-mail notification to get the mods to go to the mod forum, where the real reason can be discussed.

This way the ping:moderators thread is unnecessary, and accusations of grandstanding are impossible.

You still have to announce the change if it happens, and that's always gonna turn ugly, but hey, what can you do ;)

[Subby]

If you are pissed at the mods, just start reporting posts en masse. ;)

THEY'LL NEVER TAKE YOU ALIVE!!!!

:D

[Blade6119]

I wish the mods all the best in continually running this board, i appreciate the time i spent. Best of luck

[AlexB]

I see kcchief had the same idea earlier in the thread - good work fella

[Subby]

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[heybrad]

I think it is worth pointing out that this is the kind of thread that makes this place worth visiting regularly. :)
You always seem to post what I'm thinking.

[WVUFAN]

Actions speak louder than words.

So, what exactly has Franklin done on this board to promote or try to encourage people to leave this site for Sportsdigs? What has he or ANYONE ELSE ever done to do this?

Sheesh. You seem to hate the site without having been there or even know it's purpose (which IS NOT anti-FOFC at all). I, for one am getting a little tired of a consistant bashing of it.

As for this whole thing, it could have been handled better. If you want to remove a mod, it could be done without basically saying "Blade sucks, so we're tossing him from the Country Club. He's not worthy of being a mod, we're telling EVERYONE he's not worthy, but we're not gonna say why". Either you keep it private and allow Blade some respect, or you make it totally public and allow Blade to retort.

[WSUCougar]

As for this whole thing, it could have been handled better. If you want to remove a mod, it could be done without basically saying "Blade sucks, so we're tossing him from the Country Club. He's not worthy of being a mod, we're telling EVERYONE he's not worthy, but we're not gonna say why". Either you keep it private and allow Blade some respect, or you make it totally public and allow Blade to retort.
That basically wasn't what was said at all. Re-read the initial post. It is factual. It conveys information that is pertinent to the members of this community. A mod is no longer a mod, by decision of the head mod and with concurrence of the mod council. End of post.

All the histrionics, gnashing of teeth, rending of clothing, and various other flailing aboutism has been prompted by others.

[LastWhiteSoxFanStanding]

I desperately was searching for FNs last post before he took his sabbatical talking about how he finally outgrew message boards and other things in life were so important and blah blah blah, but I can't seem to find it :-(. Too bad, its comedic gold now.

[WSUCougar]

I'd just like to point out that your supercalifragilisticexpealidocious screenname screws up the board's column formatting. Carry on. :D

[VPI97]

Front Office Trainwreck Central
We are FOFC.

[WVUFAN]

That basically wasn't what was said at all. Re-read the initial post. It is factual. It conveys information that is pertinent to the members of this community. A mod is no longer a mod, by decision of the head mod and with concurrence of the mod council. End of post.


What he said, again, was this:


Yesterday, I made a unilateral decision to temporarily remove Blade's mod rights. After consulting with the other mods, I have now made that decision permanent.

So, what he's saying here isn't that Blade isn't a mod anymore, it's that Blade has been REMOVED as mod, due to some unknown problem or issue. You're firing someone publically from a position.

So, let's say you're at work, and for whatever reason you're fired, and as you're leaving, the boss steps out of his office and announces to EVERYONE, points to you and says , "Hey, see that guy there? I JUST FIRED HIM!!! LOOK, EVERYONE -- Look at the fired guy!!!".

How would you like it?

[ice4277]

All I know is, Blade's signature is perfect.

[flere-imsaho]

I don't think this board is going to get any more mature in that respect, and that's why I generally stay away - I'm 31 years old, and it was about time for me to grow up; I wasn't going to do it making 100 crass and sophomoric posts a day. Maybe the light bulb finally came on, and it occurred to me that I was not being the sort of role model I wanted my kids to have, even if this is just a stupid little message boar that they'll probably never read.

-Franklinnoble, 2/14/2006 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1052330&postcount=277)

[WVUFAN]

-Franklinnoble, 2/14/2006 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1052330&postcount=277)

Dude, what's your point? So he continues to post here -- so what?

I really, REALLY don't get the hatred on this place for certain people.

[ice4277]

Dude, what's your point? So he continues to post here -- so what?

I really, REALLY don't get the hatred on this place for certain people.
Well, it may have something to do with FN's grandstanding about how much FOFC sucks, and that he wanted no part of it, only to return a few months later, with seemingly every post he then made whoring his own site and how much better it is.

[WVUFAN]

Well, it may have something to do with FN's grandstanding about how much FOFC sucks, and that he wanted no part of it, only to return a few months later, with seemingly every post he then made whoring his own site and how much better it is.

But, he HASN'T been "whoring" any other site, aside from a single post a few months back, and his disappoval of some policies here -- of which MANY OTHER PEOPLE have had the same issue.

Not ONCE has he mentioned any other site, or EVER, EVER asked anyone to drop FOFC for Sportsdigs. None of the people who helped create it has ever made that request.

You might want to get your facts straight before stupidly accusing someone else.

[IMetTrentGreen]

SkyDog basically grandstanding about Blade being kicked out of the mod club with two threads on the general discussion forum about it, but no real explaination?

this would be my one problem with skydog. he is a grandstander for sure. a lot of things go on with bannings and whatnot that don't need to be announced, but are anyway, and proudly.

[flere-imsaho]

He's a drama queen. I like to egg him on.

[Blade6119]

All I know is, Blade's signature is perfect.
Demotivation
Sometimes the best solution to morale problems is just to fire all of the unhappy people.

LOL, you couldnt be more right on.

Skydog, now that im no longer a mod am i allowed to speak freely of all the behind the scenes stuff while i was a mod?

[Izulde]

Frankly, I prefer it out in the open. Secrecy only breeds more drama and outrage.

See the OOTP boards for an example.

[Hurst2112]

Demotivation



Skydog, now that im no longer a mod am i allowed to speak freely of all the behind the scenes stuff while i was a mod?

That would really be awesome! Start sending us PMs.

[WVUFAN]

Frankly, I prefer it out in the open. Secrecy only breeds more drama and outrage.

See the OOTP boards for an example.

I agree. Even if someone isn't being hidden, it given the impression that something is.

And, quite frankly, I don't see how Skydog can dictate what Blade can say now that he's not a mod. He shouldn't need to ask for permission to defend himself.

[KWhit]

But, he HASN'T been "whoring" any other site, aside from a single post a few months back.

A single post? Are you kidding me?

Now that's funny!

[Glengoyne]

Demotivation
Sometimes the best solution to morale problems is just to fire all of the unhappy people.

LOL, you couldnt be more right on.

Skydog, now that im no longer a mod am i allowed to speak freely of all the behind the scenes stuff while i was a mod?


Sure thing. It would complete your class act.

[WVUFAN]

Sure thing. It would complete your class act.

So, you're saying that the other mods can make his firing public, but Blade is classless when he tries to defend himself?

That doesn't make any sense.

[Joe]

LOL this thread is retarded

[Buccaneer]

No need to vote. No need to have a poll. FN and WVUFAN have won the Asshat of the Year. Congrats.

By the way, since the time of the Moderating by Committee went into effect, did anyone notice much change or actions?

[WSUCougar]

Skydog, now that im no longer a mod am i allowed to speak freely of all the behind the scenes stuff while i was a mod?
What do you think?

[WVUFAN]

No need to vote. No need to have a poll. FN and WVUFAN have won the Asshat of the Year. Congrats.


Oh, ha ha.

Sent you a PM.

[Buccaneer]

l'll answer it here. "More dire need of a blowjob than any white man in history."

[WVUFAN]

l'll answer it here. "More dire need of a blowjob than any white man in history."

I'd rather be described as that than what I would describe you -- "The person with the need to kiss SkyDog's ass more than any other person in FOFC".

I tried to take it to PM, but if you want to exchange insults publically, that's cool.

[SnDvls]

This will end badly.


here it comes

[WSUCougar]

Please stand down. Consider this a warning shot across the bow.

[MizzouRah]

All of this could have been avoided. <sigh>

[Buccaneer]

This is so funny. Are some people so serious or worked up about this?

[ice4277]

But, he HASN'T been "whoring" any other site, aside from a single post a few months back, and his disappoval of some policies here -- of which MANY OTHER PEOPLE have had the same issue.

Not ONCE has he mentioned any other site, or EVER, EVER asked anyone to drop FOFC for Sportsdigs. None of the people who helped create it has ever made that request.

You might want to get your facts straight before stupidly accusing someone else.

Dude. Seriously. Apply that last sentence to yourself.

[Schmidty]

This is so funny. Are some people so serious or worked up about this?

Not to be mean Buc, but you seem extra grumpy and irritable lately. If you need to talk about something, let me know. ;)

[WSUCougar]

Having served its purpose (and then some), this thread is being closed.