Most classless fans in the NBA

[Schmidty]

Cleveland Cavaliers.

I don't care how much you hate a guy, you do not cheer a guy when he goes down with an injury (especially if it's one that sends him to the locker room) and then start into a "Detroit sucks" chant at the same time.

'Sheed's outspoken and acts like an ass sometimes, and I have no problem booing him, or whatever, but this kind of stuff is garbage.

Those fans showed zero class.


By the way, before someone brings up the brawl thing, there's a huge difference between one guy throwing a water bottle and a few others getting rowdy when a player runs into the stand, and a whole stadium exploding with deafening joy because a guy gets hurt. Pathetic losers.

[Schmidty]

Looks like he's going to be ok, but my opinion of those "fans" doesn't change. He just came on the floor, and instead of cheering the fact that he's not seriously hurt, they boo him.

[jeff061]

I thought they were cheering the layup??

;)

[Subby]

YEAH BUT WHAT ABOUT THE BRAWL THING????

[Schmidty]

YEAH BUT WHAT ABOUT THE BRAWL THING????

Mmmmm.....sweater meat.

[Mantle2600]

Im a cavs fan, and while I never wanna see anyone get seriously hurt, I wouldnt mind seeing them get hurt while playing my teams. The guys a dick and he deserves it all. Thats just my opinion.

[The Afoci]

Sheed has the best weed. Hands down.

[stevew]

Sheed talks a metric ton of garbage before the game, and then twists an ankle and the fans cheer. I'm not sure what you would think the fans response would have been? He clearly enjoys playing the role of an asshole on the court, this is the guy that has lead the league in T's a bunch of times.

[stevew]

dola,
The Browns fans are pretty big assholes, so it's not suprising.

[Scoobz0202]

Sheed talks a metric ton of garbage before the game, and then twists an ankle and the fans cheer. I'm not sure what you would think the fans response would have been? He clearly enjoys playing the role of an asshole on the court, this is the guy that has lead the league in T's a bunch of times.
I agree. If he had landed on his neck and was not moving at all I do not think the fans would have cheered. All he did was roll his ankle. Had this been Rip Hamilton or Ben Wallace I do not think they would have cheered. But, this is a guy who is well known for being an asshole, and one who promised they would win. I would have been cheering right along with them. Actually, I was. Maybe I am classless. Who cares, I thought it was absolutely fitting to see him roll his ankle and have to limp off the court he promised to win on.

[Joe]

fuck him

[TheOhioStateUniversity]

He sprained his freakin ankle calm down....I could see if he fell on his neck and wasnt moving, he rolled his damn ankle after talkin mess before the game and they cheered. BIG DEAL

[B & B]

Big deal or not.


Typical response from the brown eye state.

[Schmidty]

He sprained his freakin ankle calm down....I could see if he fell on his neck and wasnt moving, he rolled his damn ankle after talkin mess before the game and they cheered. BIG DEAL

He could have broken his ankle, ala Grant Hill, for all you Cav fans knew, and you still would have cheered.

I guess I don't care, since you won't advance past this round. If you do, I'll show up and admit I'm wrong, but that won't happen. I'll enjoy the anguish on your faces (as long as you aren't injured, since I have class).

[Glengoyne]

My local Fresno State fans aren't the most classless, but they are stupid. They routinely start the wave while the home team has the ball. Are they freaking morons? Another time, they did the wave while one of our players, a promissing running back was injured on the field. Right after he went down I said that I thought it might be "Bo Jackson bad" unfortunately I was right. His last memories as a football player are laying on the field with a broken hip while the home crowd did the wave. Ok maybe we are classless.

Edit to add that I guess none of us are too bright. I'm bitching about college football fans in a pro basketball thread.

[wade moore]

He could have broken his ankle, ala Grant Hill, for all you Cav fans knew, and you still would have cheered.

I guess I don't care, since you won't advance past this round. If you do, I'll show up and admit I'm wrong, but that won't happen. I'll enjoy the anguish on your faces (as long as you aren't injured, since I have class).

It is totally classless to cheer when a player is hurt, period. I don't care how big of a jerk he is.

[TheOhioStateUniversity]

OMG...how will the Cavs fans go on knowing they have no class according to some women on fofc....ok we are over it...moving on.

[JeeberD]

My local Fresno State fans aren't the most classless, but they are stupid. They routinely start the wave while the home team has the ball. Are they freaking morons?

And I thought the Johnny-Come-Lately UTEP football fans were the only ones stupid enough to do that!

[Noop]

New England fans....
Florida Gator fans....
NC State fans...
Florida State fans...
Miami Hurricanes fans...

That's just a few off the top of my head who show no class.(Not all fans but its a good enough amount)

[Honolulu_Blue]

What about Eagles fans? Didn't they cheer lustily while Michael Irvin was lying prone on the ground with a possible neck/head injury many years ago?

[jeff061]

I think listing New England(yeah I'm biased), and not listing anything from Philly, where all sports qualify, invalidates any list.

[Neon_Chaos]

Lol. Sheed deserved it.

[gstelmack]

New England fans....

:rolleyes:

[MrBug708]

OMG...how will the Cavs fans go on knowing they have no class according to some women on fofc....ok we are over it...moving on.

Has anyone really been a Cav fan for more then a couple years? Kinda like being a Clips fan?

[condors]

What about Eagles fans? Didn't they cheer lustily while Michael Irvin was lying prone on the ground with a possible neck/head injury many years ago?

i can't speak for everyone but where i was at we got in an uproar when deon sanders was doing some kind of healing dance or some crap around him

[stevew]

Has anyone really been a Cav fan for more then a couple years? Kinda like being a Clips fan?

I have.

[Passacaglia]

Aren't all sports fans classless?

[stevew]

Wallace silent as Cavs win
By Tom Reed

CLEVELAND - You sat on the bench for the last four minutes, wearing your Detroit Pistons sweats, clearly delirious from Cleveland's first documented case of Hoof-in-Mouth disease in quite some time.

You made 3-of-13 field-goal attempts. You committed several key turnovers. You sprained your ankle. You were outplayed again by Cavaliers reserve Anderson Varejao.

Rasheed Wallace, is this your idea of guaranteeing your work? Remind me not to hire you as a contractor.

Final score: Cavaliers 74, Pistons 72. Series tied, 2-2.

Guess 'Sheed happens, huh?

Hey, we've all said or written things we regret in the heat of battle or on the crunch of deadline, but you spent two days promising victory in Game 4. You vowed Monday's game would be the last played at Quicken Loans Arena this season.

I'm not much on guarantees myself, yet I'm quite certain there will be a Game 6 here Friday night.

You can quote me. My editors can put it on the back page, the front page, whatever.

Three previous times you had made your trademark ``Guaran-Sheeds'' in the postseason. Three times your teammates helped deliver wins.

(I notice you never made such brazen predictions as a member of the Portland Trail Blazers, but I digress.)

The best starting five in the NBA could not get it done for you Monday night. Don't look now, but the Cavaliers are starting to play with the same defensive hunger that made you the best Eastern Conference team the past two seasons.

The Cavs held your team to 4-of-18 shooting in the fourth quarter and helped force six turnovers. You, meanwhile, missed all three of your attempts and had two turnovers. You finished with seven points.

This was a game in which the Pistons really needed your post presence. A game in which you could have made a difference.

You're an All-Star, one of the game's elite power forwards, a major contributor in the 2003-04 NBA title. In the past two games, however, you're 7-of-24 from the field. I guess with Vice President Dick Cheney in town Monday you decided to honor him with a little errant shooting of your own.

Guess 'Sheed happens, huh?

The people in Motown are getting a little edgy. First, the Red Wings, the NHL's best regular-season team, get eliminated in the first round. Now, the Cavaliers are extending a series that many -- me included -- thought would end Wednesday night.

You were your defiant self after the game. You gave credit to the Cavaliers but told reporters, ``'I ain't worried about those cats. There is no way in hell they beat us in this series.''

Your Pistons still hold homecourt advantage. They still have the inside track to the conference finals.

The Cavs, though, have a superstar in LeBron James who is growing in confidence. He scored 22 points. He added nine assists and eight rebounds, while fighting through eight turnovers.

James also is starting to get consistent help from teammates. Eric Snow had 12 points. Varejao, the irrepressible Brazilian, had 10 points, six rebounds and took a huge charge in the closing minutes on Chauncey Billups.

You probably didn't get a good look at it because you were sitting on the bench at the far end of the floor. With the game on the line, coach Flip Saunders must have thought your ankle was too tender to continue.

Guess 'Sheed happens, huh?

Don't worry, there have been more foolish guarantees. Former British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain guaranteed ``peace in our time'' after giving away the Sudetenland to the Nazis.

Then there is Col. Klink. Remember him from Hogan's Heroes, Rasheed? He kept telling all who would listen there had never been an escape from Stalag 13. Who knew?

There is still time for you and your Pistons. You are the more experienced, playoff-tested team. You should prevail. But if the Cavaliers somehow win this series, your promise gone south will live in sports infamy.

I guarantee it.

Sheed happens.

[stevew]

http://users.zoominternet.net/~stevedubbya/dumbass.jpg

[Desnudo]

New England fans....
Florida Gator fans....
NC State fans...
Florida State fans...
Miami Hurricanes fans...

That's just a few off the top of my head who show no class.(Not all fans but its a good enough amount)

A lot of Boston sports fans are rude and crude, but I've never heard of an opposing player being cheered when injured before.

[Daimyo]

Funny, when I saw this thread title my thought was "Detroit, no question."

[CleBrownsfan]

People are so damn sensitive any more... :rolleyes:

[Glengoyne]

And I thought the Johnny-Come-Lately UTEP football fans were the only ones stupid enough to do that!

Hey UTEP has Traveled to Fresno. We're just spreading the love. Our stupid fans to yours.


On the cheering while a player from the opposing team is down. I remember my first Arena League Football game I saw the Hartford Coyotes play the Iowa Barnstormers(I think?) in Hartford. Hartford's QB broke free into open space at one point, and then out of no where he got laid out. It was a brutal shot that completely decleated him. His head was the first part of his body to hit the ground, and he was down A LONG time. While he was down on the turf being attended to, the play was being re-run again and again on the jumbo-tron. The crowd just kept getting more and more fired up as they/we watched the home team QB getting the bejesus knocked out of him. It was then and there that I thought that Arena Football might be more properly named Colliseum Football.

[JS19]

Didn't see the incident that is being discussed, but after reading through the posts, if all he did was land on his ankle, whats the big deal?? As it's been said, if it was the neck, or even another player, probably no cheers, but an ankle, who cares?? Even if it was broke, I really don't think anyone would have gave a shit being that it was Wallace.

[Schmidty]

Funny, when I saw this thread title my thought was "Detroit, no question."

What would the proof be that Detroit fans are classless? I've been a Detroit sports fan since birth and have watched and attended thousands and thousands of games, and I have never seen us cheering another guy when he gets hurt, and then booing when it's apparant that the injury isn't serious.

[Neon_Chaos]

My reasoning is that the Cavs fans showed as much class as Wallace did in his quotes about their team and their playoff series.

[Schmidty]

My reasoning is that the Cavs fans showed as much class as Wallace did in his quotes about their team and their playoff series.

Wallace wasn't wishing harm on anyone, yet the Cavs fans were. There's a big difference, and if you can't see that, then that's your issue.

[michael1123]

What would the proof be that Detroit fans are classless? I've been a Detroit sports fan since birth and have watched and attended thousands and thousands of games, and I have never seen us cheering another guy when he gets hurt, and then booing when it's apparant that the injury isn't serious.

Probably because one dumbass throws a cup and half the Pacers lineup runs in the stands and start attacking the wrong people. :rolleyes:

[Schmidty]

Probably because one dumbass throws a cup and half the Pacers lineup runs in the stands and start attacking the wrong people. :rolleyes:

Exactly.

[astrosfan64]

What about Eagles fans? Didn't they cheer lustily while Michael Irvin was lying prone on the ground with a possible neck/head injury many years ago?

Yes and we booed Santa what is your point?

[Julio Riddols]

Dude, part of being a fan is generally disliking your teams' opponents.

In this case, Rasheed Wallace took so much time and made such a big point getting his message out there, I think it is well within reason for the fans to cheer him turning his ankle. He was being such a pompous ass that anything and everything he did wrong or that made him and his guarantee look silly would have been cheered with much vigor by myself, and I am not even a fan of either of these teams.

I laughed my ass off here at home when I was watching sportscenter and learned he basically made himself look like a complete jackass the whole game, because HE was the one being totally classless here.

The Cleveland fans were just being fans and doing what fans are supposed to do. Dislike the other guy. Especially when the other guy basically calls your team pathetic.

Hell, even after the game his mouth was still running, saying that the sun shines on a dogs ass every once in a while.

I hope he turns his ankle again, and this time it costs them the series.

Now, if he was to have collapsed on the court, there probably would have still been a few idiots cheering, there always are a few.. but honestly, I think it would have been different, and then I think you can call someone classless.. But-

Why is this such a big issue, aside from the fact that youre a Pistons fan? (At least I get that vibe)

[rkmsuf]

What about Eagles fans? Didn't they cheer lustily while Michael Irvin was lying prone on the ground with a possible neck/head injury many years ago?

If Matt Millen was knocked out at midfield after a horrific collision with a male cheerleader at a home game you'd be on your feet leading the wave.

[Schmidty]

If Matt Millen was knocked out at midfield after a horrific collision with a male cheerleader at a home game you'd be on your feet leading the wave.

Dare I dream??? :)

[Schmidty]

Why is this such a big issue, aside from the fact that youre a Pistons fan? (At least I get that vibe)

I thought I described it quite well in my previous posts. Read them again, and if you still don't get it, I don't know what to tell you.

[Julio Riddols]

I just think there is a big difference between a group of fans cheering, say.. Tayshaun Prince twisting HIS ankle, rather than Mr. Wallace twisting his.

If he hadn't sat there and reiterated over and over to the press that there wasn't going to be another game there this season, and numerous other things about how Cleveland basically doesn't even need to show up because theyre gonna get beat anyway, then I can understand you being upset about this.

As it is, given the circumstances, I think its funny that he came to the game, sucked all night, twisted his ankle in the process, and couldn't back up what he said.

Again, if it were something more serious (there is a big difference between a guy twisting his ankle to a guy being seriously injured, no matter who it is) Then I could also understand having an issue with it. I just don't see why this matters so much, because I am sure it has happened in a hundred other situations and its never been a big deal before.

[Schmidty]

If he hadn't sat there and reiterated over and over to the press that there wasn't going to be another game there this season, and numerous other things about how Cleveland basically doesn't even need to show up because theyre gonna get beat anyway, then I can understand you being upset about this.

As it is, given the circumstances, I think its funny that he came to the game, sucked all night, twisted his ankle in the process, and couldn't back up what he said.

So you're saying that having class is negotiable if a guy talks trash and then is physically hurt? I don't know what to say about that other than the fact that I think your stance is less than noble.

As far as him sucking in the game, he was hurt in the 1st quarter, and then could barely walk at times the rest of the game. If that makes you happy, that's great.

Anyway, I encourage you all to hate Rasheed, the Pistons, and the entire fan base, I love that kind of stuff because it pumps me up; however, stepping over the line, even if you think "twisting" an ankle is nothing, is absolutely trashy, even if you are against trash-talking.

By the way, as I've documented here on FOFC a few times, I play basketball regularly and did in high school, and have broken my ankles and twisted them, and it's NOT a joke. I still suffer pain, and it could have cost me the opportunity I had of playing junior college ball (my choice). It's not just a slight injury some of the time even if it looks like a simple twist as Grant Hill can attest.

[Noop]

I think listing New England(yeah I'm biased), and not listing anything from Philly, where all sports qualify, invalidates any list.

Well it was off the topic of my head.

[sabotai]

What about Eagles fans? Didn't they cheer lustily while Michael Irvin was lying prone on the ground with a possible neck/head injury many years ago?

Not to mention the Body Bag Game.

[TheOhioStateUniversity]

Some people take things way too seriously....Sorry your NBA dreams were stifled by ankle problems Schmidty..I guess this is a sore spot for you.

[Groundhog]

Has anyone really been a Cav fan for more then a couple years? Kinda like being a Clips fan?

I've been following the Cavs as best I possibly can from Australia since Mark Price and Brad Daughtery suited up.

It's been a long and frustrating ride, but it looks like things are on the way up.

[Schmidty]

Some people take things way too seriously....Sorry your NBA dreams were stifled by ankle problems Schmidty..I guess this is a sore spot for you.

Thanks for the unfair personal shot. I guess that kind of proves my point about Cav fans.

I never had aspirations of going to the NBA, which is the reason I went to JC before WMU. My grades were slightly above average and I couldn't get much financial help, but I knew the coach at KVCC and he wanted me to play point guard for him as the first backup. I went there as a very good local high school player, but frankly, I was scared. My left ankle was (and still is) weak, and I had twisted it badly a few times before. I knew I couldn't wear heavy braces while playing, as they would slow me down so much that I might as well be a 5'11 center. So I got a job at the school as a tutor in the english lab, turned down the spot on the roster, and played in the intramural league.

I still play, and I still refuse to wear a brace. This stupidity has caused me much pain, including snapping my ankle, and then limping out a week or so later with an air cast, and snapping the other one. I'm pretty sure I've mentioned that one before on FOFC. Either way, my ankles are gristle (left is worse). I can't even watch replays of leg injuries - they make me nauseous. I can still feel and hear the snaps. I know that terpkristen has had issues like that too, but I can't deal with that stuff, so I don't even go into the theads anymore.

Anyway, your response was rude and personal, but I'm starting to think that might be the typical mind-set of Cleveland fans.

[Abe Sargent]

Some people take things way too seriously....Sorry your NBA dreams were stifled by ankle problems Schmidty..I guess this is a sore spot for you.


You mean like the Cav fans taking trash talk so seriously that they actually applaud when a fellow human gets injured? That sort of taking things too seriously?


-Anxiety

[Fouts]

Astro fans give Russ Springer a standing ovation after hitting Barry Bonds with a pitch at tonights game. Springer had thrown behind him and up and in 3 times before connecting. The reason this bothers me is one of the kids on my little league team was hit in the mouth (accidently) with a pitch at tonights game.

What kind of message does it send to kids that attended (or watched) that Astros game, and later will be playing little league baseball?

[miami_fan]

What kind of message does it send to kids that attended (or watched) that Astros game, and later will be playing little league baseball?

The message is if you know the guy at the plate is taking steriods and you're getting blown out by 8 runs, it is okay to plunk him.

[Julio Riddols]

Hey Schmidty, its cool we disagree and all, and I guess I understand where youre coming from, even if I don't agree with it.. But I don't hate the Pistons at all, even though they took out Indiana the last time I thought Indy had the tools to have a shot at the title.. The Pistons are a great team and they play outstanding defense - Not a lot of teams do that. Ben Wallace is a total monster.. One of my favorite players probably.

Rasheed Wallace is an excellent player too, but I honestly lost most of my respect for him hearing what he said a couple nights ago. I can see how an ankle injury can be serious, possibly severely shorten or even end a guys career.. But it doesnt totally cripple someone. A guy like Rasheed has PLENTY of money to keep him well off for the rest of his life, so maybe if you believe in something like karma, he got what he deserved.

When it is all said and done, I don't think it makes the Cleveland fans any more classless than anyone else for cheering when Rasheed got hurt. He made it personal, and when you do that, youre bound to get a lot more thrown in your face when something backfires on you.

Again, I see where youre coming from, and though I don't agree with the full extent of your feelings on this particular incident, I can understand why it bothers you as much as it does now. Thats all I was really trying to figure out.

[gildawg]

Pot...kettle, kettle...pot.

Those who throw cups of ice, er live in glass houses, ah hell, you get the point.

[Fouts]

The message is if you know the guy at the plate is taking steriods and you're getting blown out by 8 runs, it is okay to plunk him.

How could Springer know that? And it is the wrong message, no matter who it is.

[JonInMiddleGA]

And it is the wrong message, no matter who it is.

Agreed.

You shouldn't put a guy who's hitting .233 on base intentionally.

[gildawg]

Was that cheers form the Detroit crowd I was hearing when LeBron looked like he got hurt? Couldn't be. THAT would be classless.

[Schmidty]

Was that cheers form the Detroit crowd I was hearing when LeBron looked like he got hurt? Couldn't be. THAT would be classless.

If some people did (I didn't notice, as I had it muted from anger), then they're classless too. So what's your point?

[Neon_Chaos]

Meh. Pistons are going down, and it's about time someone sent their overrated team back home early for the summer for once.

[gildawg]

If some people did (I didn't notice, as I had it muted from anger), then they're classless too. So what's your point?

Some people would be most of the crowd. My point is Pistons fans, who were part of one of the biggest fans/players controversies in year if not ever, shouldn't call other fans of the NBA classless. Especially when they would of and did turn around and do the same thing to an opposing player.

On a side note though, am I the only one that is getting sick of seeing a player whine and complain after every whistle. Just play, dammit

[Schmidty]

Meh. Pistons are going down, and it's about time someone sent their overrated team back home early for the summer for once.

How are they overrated? You just said "send them home for the summer for once". That basically says that they always go late into the playoffs or even to the Finals, so how are they overrated?

Anyway, your opinion means nothing, since you're simply a hater.

[Schmidty]

Some people would be most of the crowd. My point is Pistons fans, who were part of one of the biggest fans/players controversies in year if not ever, shouldn't call other fans of the NBA classless.

Dude, you don't know your facts, therefore, you shouldn't be making a statement like that. It was 1 guy that threw a water bottle, and a handful (10-12 from video evidence) that actually got rowdy AFTER PLAYERS RAN INTO THE STANDS. So don't give me that crap.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Pistons fans are the best. We've got that little, half-naked kid with glasses who does those crazy-ass dances. What more could you ask for out of fans? They are the best. That kid proves it. The afros are cool too.

[ice4277]

Pistons fans are the best. We've got that little, half-naked kid with glasses who does those crazy-ass dances. What more could you ask for out of fans? They are the best. That kid proves it. The afros are cool too.

Well, I think many of the current 'hard-core' Pistons fans won't be there when the team sucks again. But, its still a lot of fun to be at a game. The atmosphere is better at the Palace than anywhere else in town, especially Joe Louis. I guess when tickets are halfway affordable, you can actually get real fans creating a real atmosphere. Who knew?

[JS19]

I was curious, based of the logic in which this thread originated on, are all Astros fans claseless as well since they all cheered when Springer nailed Barry Bonds?

[ice4277]

I was curious, based of the logic in which this thread originated on, are all Astros fans claseless as well since they all cheered when Springer nailed Barry Bonds?

Hmm. Classless fans cheering against classless person. Quite the quandry.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Well, I think many of the current 'hard-core' Pistons fans won't be there when the team sucks again. But, its still a lot of fun to be at a game. The atmosphere is better at the Palace than anywhere else in town, especially Joe Louis. I guess when tickets are halfway affordable, you can actually get real fans creating a real atmosphere. Who knew?

I've ragged on Wings' fans and the crowd at Joe Louis enough. I am granting them a reprieve until next season begins.

The "when tickets are halfway affordable, you can actually get real fans creating a real atmosphere" has always bugged me a bit. I remember sitting next to some guy at a Capitals game who stood up and yelled "Cheer like you make $30,000 a year!" What does that mean?

Why is that you can't be a "real fan" if you make enough money to afford tickets? I understand that certain tickets, like the boxes, are so expensive that only companies can buy them and then it's a bit of a toss up as to whether the people who attend the games are fans of the teams or just clients there to be entertained. I think that is actually a pretty small percentage of seats in any given arena.

I don't the reason the crowd at Joe Louis is a bit supbar is because ticket prices exclude "real fans", but rather because the Wings have been good for so long that initial excitement has worn off a bit. Back in '97 and '98, when ticket prices were lower, but not greatly so, the Joe was a rocking place to be. Nowadays expectations are so high and Wings' fans are so freaking nervous about losing in the 1st or 2nd round of the playoffs, it's hard to generate excitement there.

During the Grant Hill/Teal era, the Palace was quite as a tomb I actually attended a Pistons-Heat game back then and fell asleep during the second quarter. But now the team is good and there is still a lot of excitement about the team and they have a lot of colorful players. It's a great atmosphere, no doubt, but I think it has a lot to do with the players and the "newness" of Pistons' winning ways. I reckon if the Pistons lose tonight, even if ticket prices remain the same, the atmosphere will be a little different in Auburn Hills next year.

[ice4277]

I've ragged on Wings' fans and the crowd at Joe Louis enough. I am granting them a reprieve until next season begins.

The "when tickets are halfway affordable, you can actually get real fans creating a real atmosphere" has always bugged me a bit. I remember sitting next to some guy at a Capitals game who stood up and yelled "Cheer like you make $30,000 a year!" What does that mean?

Why is that you can't be a "real fan" if you make enough money to afford tickets? I understand that certain tickets, like the boxes, are so expensive that only companies can buy them and then it's a bit of a toss up as to whether the people who attend the games are fans of the teams or just clients there to be entertained. I think that is actually a pretty small percentage of seats in any given arena.

I don't the reason the crowd at Joe Louis is a bit supbar is because ticket prices exclude "real fans", but rather because the Wings have been good for so long that initial excitement has worn off a bit. Back in '97 and '98, when ticket prices were lower, but not greatly so, the Joe was a rocking place to be. Nowadays expectations are so high and Wings' fans are so freaking nervous about losing in the 1st or 2nd round of the playoffs, it's hard to generate excitement there.

During the Grant Hill/Teal era, the Palace was quite as a tomb I actually attended a Pistons-Heat game back then and fell asleep during the second quarter. But now the team is good and there is still a lot of excitement about the team and they have a lot of colorful players. It's a great atmosphere, no doubt, but I think it has a lot to do with the players and the "newness" of Pistons' winning ways. I reckon if the Pistons lose tonight, even if ticket prices remain the same, the atmosphere will be a little different in Auburn Hills next year.

I understand the argument we are trying to make, but we will have to agree to disagree. The make-up of a crowd at Joe Louis and the Palace is vastly different. Back in 97-98, Joe Louis was a more rocking place to be, because that is just around the time that it really started to turn into a hard-core corporate crowd there. Even if prices weren't totally inflated, it has been tough for the 'average' fan to purchase tickets, especially to key games, as the vast majority are in the hands of season ticket holders. I know I'm stereotyping, but the vast majority of these people are middle-aged, white collar, relatively well-off people. These are not the types of people conducive to creating a great playoff atmosphere. At the Palace, you still get a large number of younger, blue-collar fans.

[Honolulu_Blue]

I understand the argument we are trying to make, but we will have to agree to disagree. The make-up of a crowd at Joe Louis and the Palace is vastly different. Back in 97-98, Joe Louis was a more rocking place to be, because that is just around the time that it really started to turn into a hard-core corporate crowd there. Even if prices weren't totally inflated, it has been tough for the 'average' fan to purchase tickets, especially to key games, as the vast majority are in the hands of season ticket holders. I know I'm stereotyping, but the vast majority of these people are middle-aged, white collar, relatively well-off people. These are not the types of people conducive to creating a great playoff atmosphere. At the Palace, you still get a large number of younger, blue-collar fans.

I have no idea what ticket prices are for either team. I haven't been to a Pistons game since said game against the Heat during the "Teal Era." I went to a Wings game in February and the crowd seemed, on average, more "down river", if you will, than middel-aged, white collar, and relatively well-off.

[ice4277]

I have no idea what ticket prices are for either team. I haven't been to a Pistons game since said game against the Heat during the "Teal Era." I went to a Wings game in February and the crowd seemed, on average, more "down river", if you will, than middel-aged, white collar, and relatively well-off.

Q: What's wrong with Downriver?



A: Everything!

[gildawg]

Dude, you don't know your facts, therefore, you shouldn't be making a statement like that. It was 1 guy that threw a water bottle, and a handful (10-12 from video evidence) that actually got rowdy AFTER PLAYERS RAN INTO THE STANDS. So don't give me that crap.


Guilty by association, welcome to being a sports fan.

[Schmidty]

Guilty by association, welcome to being a sports fan.

Sorry if I sounded like a jerk, but that whole issue really annoys me. Not only that, I am a jerk. ;)