Spider-Man Comic (spoiler)

[jbmagic]

Spider-Man has publicly revealed his mask to show his identity as Peter Parker. (Marvel Comics)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060614/ennew_afp/afpentertainmentusbookscomicsspiderman_060614153003

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[Draft Dodger]

meh, I knew that all along

[sovereignstar]

Duh.. Tobey Maguire is Spider-Man.

[Groundhog]

I'd never heard of this "Civil War" series, and after reading that link... well, I'm glad I stopped reading comics years ago.

I know politics have always made their way in to comics, but I think this is a complete joke.

[SackAttack]

It just seems like the "Superhero Registration Act" or whatever the hell they're calling it is just a thinly disguised stand-in for the Patriot Act.

"Look, people died, superheroes were responsible, won't somebody please think of the children?!"

[M GO BLUE!!!]

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http://alleged.home.comcast.net/zdar.jpg

[SackAttack]

you know, the more I think about this, this doesn't work other than as a political allegory.

I mean, isn't the whole point of superheroes not revealing their true identity to protect the lives of their loved ones? Isn't Spider-Man basically giving the ol' f-you to his friends and family by going "Yeah, I'm Spider-Man, and I'm proud of it"?

[Groundhog]

you know, the more I think about this, this doesn't work other than as a political allegory.

I mean, isn't the whole point of superheroes not revealing their true identity to protect the lives of their loved ones? Isn't Spider-Man basically giving the ol' f-you to his friends and family by going "Yeah, I'm Spider-Man, and I'm proud of it"?

Indeed. First thing I do if I hate spiderman is go out and kidnap every relative and friend of his and torture them.

[WVUFAN]

Parker's family is protected, as they live in the Avenger's mansion.

Y'all should read the books before passing judgement. Civil War is an excellent series.

[Groundhog]

What about his friends, do they all kick back at the Avenger's mansion too? C'mon, it's rediculous. It would be very easy to find someone who Spidey or any other superhero cares about.

[Abe Sargent]

You REALLY needed to put this in a thread and not in a title for those who hadn;t picked up comics today:

[SackAttack]

Parker's family is protected, as they live in the Avenger's mansion.

Y'all should read the books before passing judgement. Civil War is an excellent series.

Riiight.

1) What about other super-heroes who support the law. Are their families protected at the Avenger's mansion, too? I also notice you left off any mention of friends.

2) They can't stay in there forever. Or is that permanent protective custody? Guantanamo for good guys?

3) There's no possibility of super-villains capitalizing on this whole "Civil War" bit to take out the Avenger's mansion and any friends/family that are there in one fell swoop?

4) No, really. They can't stay in there forever.

I'm not passing judgment on the books. Maybe they're very well done, but it seems like this particular revelation would just be up there on the Really Bad Idea list for a superhero.

Hell, revenge is a dish best served cold. What's stopping somebody who hates Spider-Man from just laying low for about ten years, and then *pop*? Goes back to #2. Permanent protective custody?

[Hurst2112]

You REALLY needed to put this in a thread and not in a title for those who hadn;t picked up comics today:

ok oliegirl

:rolleyes:

[cthomer5000]

The series sounds like the setup for the movie "The Incredibles."

[Franklinnoble]

Hell, revenge is a dish best served cold. What's stopping somebody who hates Spider-Man from just laying low for about ten years, and then *pop*? Goes back to #2. Permanent protective custody?

"My father's name was Antonio Andolini... and this is for you."

[SackAttack]

You REALLY needed to put this in a thread and not in a title for those who hadn;t picked up comics today:

jbmagic not having an edit button is suddenly a bitch, isn't it?

[SackAttack]

"My father's name was Antonio Andolini... and this is for you."

Basically. You don't fuck with the Godfather, and I'm pretty sure there's a super-villain out there with a similar reputation.

[Logan]

Riiight.

1) What about other super-heroes who support the law. Are their families protected at the Avenger's mansion, too? I also notice you left off any mention of friends.

2) They can't stay in there forever. Or is that permanent protective custody? Guantanamo for good guys?

3) There's no possibility of super-villains capitalizing on this whole "Civil War" bit to take out the Avenger's mansion and any friends/family that are there in one fell swoop?

4) No, really. They can't stay in there forever.

I'm not passing judgment on the books. Maybe they're very well done, but it seems like this particular revelation would just be up there on the Really Bad Idea list for a superhero.

Hell, revenge is a dish best served cold. What's stopping somebody who hates Spider-Man from just laying low for about ten years, and then *pop*? Goes back to #2. Permanent protective custody?

It's weird...I thought it was just a comic book.

[sabotai]

"My father's name was Antonio Andolini... and this is for you."

I don't feel I have to wipe everybody out, Tom. Just my enemies.

[Buccaneer]

It's weird...I thought it was just a comic book.

No, it's just business, not personal.

[sabotai]

Basically. You don't fuck with the Godfather, and I'm pretty sure there's a super-villain out there with a similar reputation.

If anything in this life is certain, if history has taught us anything, it is that you can kill anyone.

[Desmond]

I thought for certain there would be a man painted in blue and red with his junk hanging out when I opened this thread.

[MikeVic]

Yeah, spoiling this isn't cool.

Someone get jb his edit button back. What if I had spoiled the end to a movie that just came out or something.... not fun.

[Vinatieri for Prez]

Is the Avenger mansion anything like the Playboy mansion?

[Desmond]

Is the Avenger mansion anything like the Playboy mansion?

Im picturing Emma Peel and Uma Thurman lounging together in the grotto.

[Bad-example]

I thought for certain there would be a man painted in blue and red with his junk hanging out when I opened this thread.

Heh. I thought Andre Rison was arrested for flashing.

[WVUFAN]

Riiight.

1) What about other super-heroes who support the law. Are their families protected at the Avenger's mansion, too? I also notice you left off any mention of friends.

Then they have to make that choice, which is the whole reason for the series to begin with -- should we allow vigilantes running the street "beating up bad guys" and doing damage to innocent lives (see Civil War #1), all the while not being able to control them -- hell, not even knowing who they are so they can be responsible for their own actions? Or do we regulate them, force them to register and be responsible. No one is forcing them to be superheros.

On the other hand, is forcing them to register putting them at risk, since they're trying to help the world with the talents they've been given?

They had spider-man side with the government, which presents all sorts of interesting story ideas right along the lines you mentioned. Basicallly, Marvel is saying their comics will have changes in them, things to push the title forward. Personally, I like the idea.


I'm not passing judgment on the books. Maybe they're very well done, but it seems like this particular revelation would just be up there on the Really Bad Idea list for a superhero.

Yeah, I would agree, but that's the thing with Spider-man -- he's not known for always making the best decisions. In the book, it's pretty apparant that Iron Man influenced him in making the decision. Iron Man and Spider-man are pretty much best buddies right now -- Tony Stark even built a new suit for Spiderman a few months ago.

You're right -- it's a lousy decision that the character made, and I'm sure that the Spider-man writers will be able to write some good stories because of it.

[cthomer5000]

Heh. I thought Andre Rison was arrested for flashing.
wasn't it Daryl Talley who went by Spiderman? I can swear i recall the webbed-looking undershirts he'd wear.


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[sterlingice]

Didn't they have a mutant registration plot in X-Men quite a few years ago?

SI

[WVUFAN]

It's still ongoing. This expands to all superheros, not just mutants.

[Franklinnoble]

On the other hand, is forcing them to register putting them at risk, since they're trying to help the world with the talents they've been given?

They had spider-man side with the government, which presents all sorts of interesting story ideas right along the lines you mentioned.



"Goddamn FBI don't respect nothin'."

[Bad-example]

wasn't it Daryl Talley who went by Spiderman? I can swear i recall the webbed-looking undershirts he'd wear.


edit: http://ssakai.web.infoseek.co.jp/auto_talley1.jpg

"While playing for the Kansas City Chiefs, Rison also garnered the nickname Spider-Man. This resulted from his touchdown celebrations where he posed like the superhero flinging spiderwebs."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andre_Rison

[cthomer5000]

"While playing for the Kansas City Chiefs, Rison also garnered the nickname Spider-Man. This resulted from his touchdown celebrations where he posed like the superhero flinging spiderwebs."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andre_Rison

Ah, a late-career nickname addition.

[Franklinnoble]

Ah, a late-career nickname addition.

"I spent my whole life trying not to be careless. Women and children can be careless. But not men. "

[DanGarion]

You REALLY needed to put this in a thread and not in a title for those who hadn;t picked up comics today:
This was the thrid place I read this EXACT title, so don't act like he's the only one that did it. This was on Yahoo news even.

[DanGarion]

Parker's family is protected, as they live in the Avenger's mansion.

Y'all should read the books before passing judgement. Civil War is an excellent series.
Why would people want to actually read something before they pass judgement. That would be like playing a game before you pass judgement and we know barely anyone on here does that! :)

I think this series sounds really cool and I'm going to go get them. I've bought a total of 5 comics my entire life, but I've always been a fan of comic books, just never bought them.

[rkmsuf]

fritz

[DanGarion]

fritz
My comic book reading is on the fritz!

[FrogMan]

ok oliegirl

:rolleyes:

LOL :D

FM

[AZSpeechCoach]

The only superhero who wouldn't want to register is the superhero who has something to hide.

[SelzShoes]

The only superhero who wouldn't want to register is the superhero who has something to hide.
Tell that to Sue Dibny.

[stevew]

The series sounds like the setup for the movie "The Incredibles."

Yep

[WVUFAN]

Tell that to Sue Dibny.

Good point, wrong universe. :-)

[SackAttack]

It's really shitty that instead of being a man about it and giving jbmagic his edit button back, we had to see the thread title edited by a moderator.

Sure am glad to see the show is being run by a bunch of adults here.

[WVUFAN]

Out of curiosity, why was his edit button taken away?

[Franklinnoble]

It's really shitty that instead of being a man about it and giving jbmagic his edit button back, we had to see the thread title edited by a moderator.

Sure am glad to see the show is being run by a bunch of adults here.

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[SackAttack]

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You know, I don't *usually* have much of a problem with the moderators, but when I do take issue, I also don't have a problem with speaking my mind.

Taking it away was the wrong way for Ben to get the answers he was seeking in whatever thread that was.

The way the community responded with tons of "oops, had to edit that" posts in response was akin to a group of schoolyard bullies picking on the scrawny nerd just to make themselves feel good.

The solution to the 'spoiler' thread title was petty and childish. Given the opportunity to do the right thing, they chose to go back to playground tactics.

Weak.

[Franklinnoble]

You know, I don't *usually* have much of a problem with the moderators, but when I do take issue, I also don't have a problem with speaking my mind.

Taking it away was the wrong way for Ben to get the answers he was seeking in whatever thread that was.

The way the community responded with tons of "oops, had to edit that" posts in response was akin to a group of schoolyard bullies picking on the scrawny nerd just to make themselves feel good.

The solution to the 'spoiler' thread title was petty and childish. Given the opportunity to do the right thing, they chose to go back to playground tactics.

Weak.

Agree. I just figure the people would rather hear someone else call bullshit for a change. ;)

[Passacaglia]

As someone who's made a playful jab at jbmagic about this: Yeah, it's stupid to take away his edit button, but damn -- it's just an edit button on a stupid message board! I think most of us 'schoolyard' types are doing it only because of the sheer irrelevance of it all.

[SFL Cat]

Damn stupidest thing I've ever seen.

Spiderman has never recovered from the clone disaster.

[Franklinnoble]

Damn stupidest thing I've ever seen.

Spiderman has never recovered from the clone disaster.

Yeah, I look at the comics from the 80's and early 90's, and then I see the overpriced crap they're shoveling out now, and it just makes me sad.

I think the whole thing started when they decided to kill Superman. It was like an unwritten rule was broken when that happened, and DC and Marvel have been screwing it up ever since.

[moriarty]

Spiderman has never recovered from the clone disaster.

The what?

[WVUFAN]

I think today's comics are better written than anything from the 80's and 90's. There's no comparison.

[Franklinnoble]

I think today's comics are better written than anything from the 80's and 90's. There's no comparison.

Sorry... nothing was better than the Claremont X-Men era, in my opinion.

[stevew]

Out of curiosity, why was his edit button taken away?

Because he was editing/deleting an enormous amount of threads over the course of a long period of time. He'd start a thread, ask a question, someone would be like "your dumb" and then JB would delete the thread. And it would happen an awful lot where he would delete threads when he'd ask the same question he previously asked. So maybe the whole deal was harsh, but it wasn't like it was unwarranted.

[SirFozzie]

The what?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarlet_Spider

read in horror

[Honolulu_Blue]

I think today's comics are better written than anything from the 80's and 90's. There's no comparison.

That's a pretty bold statement, indeed.

Like Franklin noted, Claremont's run on X-Men was fantastic. Great stuff there.

I think it's tough to be so categorical with these types of statements. There was good stuff in the '80s and '90s. Just off the top of my head there's: Claremont's X-Men, The Watchmen, Osterman's run on Suicide Squad, Preacher, Perez's Wonder Woman, Sin City, Dark Knight Returns, Transmetropolitan, Hellblazer, etc, etc, etc.

I have read some great stuff in "today's" comics as well. I guess "today's" comics mean things in the '00s. Some very good stuff. I like the "Raising Stars" stuff (at least the first book), that Straznsky (I know that's not how it's spelled) did some great work in "Supreme Power" too. I hear that "The Ultimates" are quite good, though I have yet to invest in the series. I did read "The House of M" and found it "ok" at best. I thought "Identity Crisis" was pretty crappy, though I enjoyed "Villians United". I like "Walking Dead" quite a bit.

To say there is "no comparison" between the stuff I listed above in the '80s and '90s and what comes out today is quite bold indeed. Those runs in those series and those graphic novels are considered some of the best stuff in the genre regardless of era.

[Franklinnoble]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarlet_Spider

read in horror

Thanks. I had stopped reading comic books before this storyline came around. A little piece of me just died.

[JeeberD]

Thanks. I had stopped reading comic books before this storyline came around. A little piece of me just died.

Bah, you know that's who you named your daughter after... ;)

[Franklinnoble]

Bah, you know that's who you named your daughter after... ;)

It's "Scarlett." And my wife would break my neck if I suggested we name a kid after a comic book character.

She only tolerates my geekiness so much.;)

By the way... ain't she cute?

http://noblebrown.com/photogallery/100_3230.jpg

[MikeVic]

I always thought Logan would be a good name for a baby boy.

[SackAttack]

I always thought Logan would be a good name for a baby boy.

But not so much when the kid grows up?

[MikeVic]

But not so much when the kid grows up?

lol. I should watch my wording. :D

Logan for an adult is good too.

[WVUFAN]

That's a pretty bold statement, indeed.

Like Franklin noted, Claremont's run on X-Men was fantastic. Great stuff there.

I think it's tough to be so categorical with these types of statements. There was good stuff in the '80s and '90s. Just off the top of my head there's: Claremont's X-Men, The Watchmen, Osterman's run on Suicide Squad, Preacher, Perez's Wonder Woman, Sin City, Dark Knight Returns, Transmetropolitan, Hellblazer, etc, etc, etc.

I have read some great stuff in "today's" comics as well. I guess "today's" comics mean things in the '00s. Some very good stuff. I like the "Raising Stars" stuff (at least the first book), that Straznsky (I know that's not how it's spelled) did some great work in "Supreme Power" too. I hear that "The Ultimates" are quite good, though I have yet to invest in the series. I did read "The House of M" and found it "ok" at best. I thought "Identity Crisis" was pretty crappy, though I enjoyed "Villians United". I like "Walking Dead" quite a bit.

To say there is "no comparison" between the stuff I listed above in the '80s and '90s and what comes out today is quite bold indeed. Those runs in those series and those graphic novels are considered some of the best stuff in the genre regardless of era.

No, you have some good points. I'm certainly not saying that there wasn't good stuff done in the '80, and you mentioned some of them right there, but looking at the overall picture of the standard of writing in the '80's and '90, the selling point at that point was the art much more than the writing. The artists could pick any writer, since a good bit of the stuff, especially during the 90's, were pinups with a loose story stringing them together.

Nowadays in comics, the writers sells the comics, and it shows. Overall, the average quality of the books written in todays comics are much more mature and more plot driven than anything written before. This is why screenwriters are being lured into comics now because it's an opportunity to write a compelling movie-like story without the boundaries of a budget. Civil War, which (IMO) is one of the best written comics in several years, would NEVER have been done in the 80's, not because they would be afraid to do it, but because the writers in that era, including Claremont, wouldn't be capable of it.

But then again, I think Alan Moore's a hack, so take my opinion for what you will. :-)

[moriarty]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarlet_Spider

read in horror

Oh, my. Whomever came up with the idea of cloning and alternate universes in these books needs to die a slow death. Can't believe kids (or adults for that matter) buy stuff with this type of writing.

[MikeVic]

Oh, my. Whomever came up with the idea of cloning and alternate universes in these books needs to die a slow death. Can't believe kids (or adults for that matter) buy stuff with this type of writing.

I think (not sure, since I didn't read comics at that time) people were told this story would only last a short time, like House of M did recently... and then it kept on getting longer, covering more comics in the process.

I may be the only one, but once I start buying a story and get more than half-way in, I like to finish it, hoping it was worthwhile. I hate the other alternative of stopping to read, and then finding out it was the best story ever. :) So maybe people were thinking along those same lines as well?

[Passacaglia]

Oh, my. Whomever came up with the idea of cloning and alternate universes in these books needs to die a slow death. Can't believe kids (or adults for that matter) buy stuff with this type of writing.

The only comic book I read was Transformers, but I thought it was cool when they cloned Optimus Prime..:eek:

[Neon_Chaos]

Nothing like reviving a dead thread.

I just picked up Civil War.

Very good read. Aside from the a-little-too-cheesy ending, it was great.

[MikeVic]

Oh that jb.

[Passacaglia]

Bye-bye threadkill.

[WVUFAN]

Nothing like reviving a dead thread.

I just picked up Civil War.

Very good read. Aside from the a-little-too-cheesy ending, it was great.

The real ending to Civil War happened in Captain America #25. That was supposed to be the ending, but Marvel decided to put it there to boost sales of Cap.

I noticed Honolulu_Blue mentioned Ostrander's run on Suicide Squad. Just to let you know, he's writing the upcoming mini by the same name.