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Chief Rum

06-19-2006, 10:13 PM

Because such a wonderful sport shouldn't spend more than seconds without a relevant thread about it.

DeToxRox

06-19-2006, 10:17 PM

Expect fireworks at the draft where I fully expect Carolina to trade Jack Johnson to Pittsburgh.

Then FA begins and chaos ensues.

NHL Offseason will be a sight to see yet again.

Chief Rum

06-19-2006, 10:28 PM

Expect fireworks at the draft where I fully expect Carolina to trade Jack Johnson to Pittsburgh.

Then FA begins and chaos ensues.

NHL Offseason will be a sight to see yet again.

Really? I haven't really heard much rumors yet, except that everyone who wants a goalie will be knocking on the Ducks' door to see if they can get Jiggy (and the Ducks haven't even said which goalie they want to go with either).

Johnson is quite a young talent to be let go, especially when you're the champs. What will the Canes get in return?

Dr. Sak

06-19-2006, 10:31 PM

Really? I haven't really heard much rumors yet, except that everyone who wants a goalie will be knocking on the Ducks' door to see if they can get Jiggy (and the Ducks haven't even said which goalie they want to go with either).

Johnson is quite a young talent to be let go, especially when you're the champs. What will the Canes get in return?

The Canes will get the Pens pick (#2 overall) where they will draft Jordan Staal.

Chief Rum

06-19-2006, 10:56 PM

The Canes will get the Pens pick (#2 overall) where they will draft Jordan Staal.

Nice. Great move for both clubs.

Chubby

06-19-2006, 10:57 PM

Sabres need to resign McKee

Karim

06-19-2006, 11:00 PM

Apparently Lidstrom will not budge from his current $7.6 million salary. Will he actually be playing for a team other than the Red Wings?

Karim

06-19-2006, 11:03 PM

The NHL Awards are on Thursday night:

CALDER MEMORIAL TROPHY (outstanding rookie): Sidney Crosby, Pittsburgh Penguins; Alexander Ovechkin, Washington Capitals; Dion Phaneuf, Calgary Flames.

FRANK J. SELKE TROPHY (outstanding defensive forward): Rod Brind'Amour, Carolina Hurricanes; Mike Fisher, Ottawa Senators; Jere Lehtinen, Dallas Stars.

HART MEMORIAL TROPHY (most valuable player to his team): Jaromir Jagr, New York Rangers; Miikka Kiprusoff, Calgary Flames; Joe Thornton, San Jose Sharks.

JACK ADAMS AWARD (outstanding coach): Peter Laviolette, Carolina Hurricanes; Tom Renney, New York Rangers; Lindy Ruff, Buffalo Sabres.

JAMES NORRIS MEMORIAL TROPHY (outstanding defenseman): Nicklas Lidstrom, Detroit Red Wings; Scott Niedermayer, Anaheim Mighty Ducks; Sergei Zubov, Dallas Stars.

LADY BYNG MEMORIAL TROPHY (sportsmanship and gentlemanly conduct): Pavel Datsyuk, Detroit Red Wings; Patrick Marleau, San Jose Sharks; Brad Richards, Tampa Bay Lightning.

LESTER B. PEARSON AWARD (most outstanding player as voted by fellow members of the NHLPA): Jaromir Jagr, New York Rangers; Alexander Ovechkin, Washington Capitals; Joe Thornton, San Jose Sharks.

VEZINA TROPHY (outstanding goaltender): Martin Brodeur, New Jersey Devils; Miikka Kiprusoff, Calgary Flames; Henrik Lundqvist, New York Rangers.

Karim

06-19-2006, 11:06 PM

And the draft starts at 6:00 p.m. EST on Saturday...

http://hockeysfuture.com/nhlentrydraft.php

Pyser

06-20-2006, 12:03 AM

Wolfpack

06-20-2006, 12:20 AM

This thread already? C'mon! Let me savor things for a while longer, will ya? :D

JonInMiddleGA

06-20-2006, 12:39 AM

This thread already? C'mon! Let me savor things for a while longer, will ya? :D

Sorry, but you've already been fitted for a bullseye by the entire Southeast Division ;)

Suburban Rhythm

06-20-2006, 07:12 AM

The Canes will get the Pens pick (#2 overall) where they will draft Jordan Staal.

I am all for it. While the Pens have pretty nice depth with young D, they don't have a true #1 (jury out on Ryan Whitney). According to the Pens beat writer, Ray Shero and Jim Rutherford have not spoken.

Suburban Rhythm

06-20-2006, 07:16 AM

Dola (wow, my very first dola!)

What moves are everyone's team expected to make?

Pens...ideally, a top 4 D, a 3rd line C / faceoff specialist and top six wing to go with either Crosby or Malkin.

Pumpy Tudors

06-20-2006, 07:28 AM

elias signed with havlats agent. the 2 are lifelong best friends.

good news is ott probably cant afford elias, havlat, redden and chara, all fa's. bad news is neither can the devils.

at this point, i wouldnt be shocked to see elias in rangers blue.

then id jump off a building or something.
Save some room on the top of that building for me. I've had to see Bruce Driver, John MacLean, Mike Dunham, Bobby Holik, and Petr Sykora leave New Jersey and eventually end up with the Rangers. Who ever left New York and found his way to the Devils? What did we ever get? A John Vanbiesbrouck cameo appearance?

It's going to make me sick if Elias ends up with the Rangers. I was looking forward to him coming to his senses and staying with the Devils. Maybe he would finally accept that "C" on his sweater that he deserves. If he DOES go to New York, I hope he realizes he'll never get close to holding the Stanley Cup again. Screw the Rangers.

:)

Suburban Rhythm

06-20-2006, 07:36 AM

Who ever left New York and found his way to the Devils? What did we ever get? A John Vanbiesbrouck cameo appearance?

Bernie Nicholls!

Oh, and Kryzstof "The Krusher" Oliwa left, went to about 18 teams including the Rangers, and came back...I think.

Edit: Valeri Kamensky too???

Pumpy Tudors

06-20-2006, 08:09 AM

Bernie Nicholls!

Oh, and Kryzstof "The Krusher" Oliwa left, went to about 18 teams including the Rangers, and came back...I think.

Edit: Valeri Kamensky too???
Ah, I'd forgotten about Bernie Nicholls. Even though his career was made in LA, I really only remember him in his last few years with the Blackhawks and Sharks.

I had forgotten that Oliwa was back with the Devils this year. Looking up his stats, I see that he must be REALLY washed up. He appeared in 3 games for the Devils and had NO penalty minutes. Krzyzstof Oliwa with no penalty minutes? Are you kidding me?

The whole Valeri Kamensky thing is a blur. Even after you mentioned his name, I didn't remember that he played half a year in New Jersey.

Like Oliwa, Vladimir Malakhov was with New Jersey, moved to the Rangers, and eventually came back to New Jersey. Of course, he was actually somewhat decent with New York, but he didn't do a hell of a lot in New Jersey. THANKS FOR THE EFFORT ANYWAY, VLAD. (SARCASM SARCASM SARCASM)

This is a fun game. Any other players moving between the Devils and Rangers in the past 12 years or so? I just hope Patrik Elias doesn't ever join that list. :)

Honolulu_Blue

06-20-2006, 08:16 AM

Here's a link to TSN's "Offseason Gameplans" for each team (well, almost each team). It's a pretty good breakdown of who each team is losing, what they will be looking for in free agency and the draft, etc. Good stuff as always.

http://www.tsn.ca/fantasy_news/feature/?fid=10711&hubName=fantasy_news

As for the Wings. . . It will be one of the more interesting off-seasons in a while for them. Despite three consecutive early play-off flameouts, I don't see Holland tearing the team up and starting over, but there are a few big questions out there that will likely be resolved in the next couple of weeks.

1. Goaltending. Other than a few decent prospects (e.g., Howard and Liv), the Wings have no goalie signed. Legace is not coming back. He had a great regular season, but crumbled in the play-offs. That's been the knock on him throughout his career, that he just didn't have the correct mental make-up (whatever that is) to be a big-time playoff goalie. If you heard him interviewed at all during the playoff run (or after), it was quite evident. I feel bad for Legace and I am sure he'll get good money somewhere, but his time in Detroit is done. It's possible Osgood could be re-signed as a back-up. He should come relatively cheap and I like him in that role.

The rumor mill has been churning here in Detroit for about 2 weeks or so already. The hottest rumor is the Wings making a play for Luongo. It appears as if Keenan is looking to move him and there will plenty of suitors. The Wings make some sense, since they are in the West, but there are a number of issues with this move. First, what do the Wings trade them? Datsyuk? Datsyuk and Howard for Luongo and someone else? It will be tricky. Second, Luongo is a RFA at the moment and will be a UFA next year. His signability will be a huge issue for whatever team gets him. He's looking to make big time money. He's a great goalie, but has never been in a playoff series. That's a lot of money to invest there. If he plays as well as he can, it's well worth it, but you just never know. It would also force the Wings to cut bait on other established guys (more on this later) to work within the cap.

There have been plenty of other names mentioned. Pretty much the same names as you hear for any team in need of a goalie (e.g., Toronto and Tampa). Giguere is often mentioned because of his moderately sized contract, connection to Babcock, and Bryzgalov. Gerber is mentioned too because of the Babcock connection. Nabokov is pretty much a "no go" because of the size of his contract. The other names mentioned are Roloson and Biron.

The Wings could look to enter the season with an Osgood/Howard duo, but I don't think that will be too likely. I think the Wings want Howard to get a little more seasoning in Grand Rapids.

2. Lidstrom. Lidstrom is a UFA. There have been a ton of rumors swirling around about how the Wings are looking for a "hometown discount" and Lidstrom (and his agent) aren't really interested in giving them one. Lidstrom made $7.6 million last year. He will likely win the Norris Trophy (again!), so he certainly can command big bucks. This is a huge decision for Holland and could sort of mark the official end of the Wings' era as The Big Money Team. The Wings don't have a ton of cap room at the moment and, like most, have plenty of holes to fill. Signing Lidstrom to the deal he is looking for would eat up a ton of cap room. Given the goalie situation, I am just not sure how feasible it would be to re-sign him at that level.

There are plenty of big name defensemen on the market: Chara, Jovo-Cop, Redden, McCabe, etc. If the Wings think they can sign McCabe or Jovo for $6 million instead of Lidstrom at $8 is that a good move? I don't know. Lidstrom is still one of the best defensemen in the league. He logs a ton of minutes, has been amazingly healthy, and does it all. He's been the cornerstone of 3 Cups and an amazingly long run of very successful teams. Losing him would hurt a lot.

It's a tough spot. I am just not sure what to think yet. I am still processing. . .

3. Other positions. The Wings need to get bigger, stronger, and faster. It's been pretty evident in both series against Calgary in '04 and Edmonton this year that the Wings could be pushed around quite a bit, in both ends of the ice, and also lacked team speed.

Defense:
The Wings never really replaced Jiri Fischer. He's not coming back. They need someone with size who actually uses it (e.g., NOT Andreas "Fucking" Lilja) and can move people out in front of the net (an area where they were COMPLETELY dominated by the Oilers) and play opposing forwards physically. The Wings have been looking for this elusive defensive for the almost 20 years now that I've been a fan of the team. Seriously, it's always been the same. Konstantinov was that guy, but he had the accident. Chelios was brought in to be "that guy", but he's 900 years old and just isn't any more (he did re-sign already and will be back). Before Konstantinov the Wings had a littany of these guys brought to try this. Guys like Denis Vial, Bob McGill, Terry Carkner, etc. After Konstantinov they looked at big, young guys like Jan Gobulsky, Maxim Kuznetsov, etc. None of them worked out. Ever.

Currently the Wings have: Kronwall, Chelios, Schneider, and Lilja. Lebda is likely to re-sign on the cheap. Not a horrible defensive corps, but not one that will strike fear into the hearts of opponents on either end of the ice.

Offense:
It looks like the Wings will re-sign Shanahan. I think it's a decent move. He is really the only "power forward" the Wings have. He's the begining and end of the team's "muscle" and he's not really all that physical. He's had a horrible stretch of playoff runs, but did score 40 goals last year. I like him. I don't mind him coming back at around the same price.

Draper and Maltby are still around. They are valuable at what they do and wont be going anywhere. Holmstrom and Samuelsson (horrible playoffs for this guy) are the same. The Wings will likely re-sign RFA's Cleary and Franzen to small deals. Decent 4th line guys. Nothing more really.

Zetterberg is an untouchable. He's the future of the franchise.

Lang had a decent playoff. He's big, but slow. The Wings may try to trade him during the off-season because of his contract, but I am not sure what they would get in return. He had a decent, but unspectacular season.

Yzerman is still deciding. Nothing new to report there.

Datsyuk is interesting. He's an amazing player. He led the team in points this year, but he's disappeared in each and every playoff series he's played. He was coming off an injury this year and showed some sparks later on in the series, but not enough. He needs to be one of the Wings' best players come playoff time and he hasn't shown the ability to do that. For whatever reason. Holland has come out and said that he will NOT be trading Datsyuk, but you never know. Like the Lidstrom thing, I am just not sure how I feel on this one.

The Wings need more size and speed upfront. They also need some scoring from the Wings. Other than Shanahan they really don't have a "sniper" per se. There was some talk about the Wings making a push for Samsonov. He's a UFA and his family live in the area and loves it (I guess someone has to). I watched him pretty closely throughout these playoffs. He has talent and speed, but I am just not sure he's the answer. He's a small, shifty forward. We have that guy. He also has a history of injuries. At the right price, sure, but I don't think what I would consider the "right price" is what Samsonov is looking for.

What the Wings need up front are some forwards with size who play more than 7 minutes a game. It's hard to say who (if anyone) like that will be available, but it needs to be addressed. I would like to see Mike Grier, for example, come home to Detroit. He's big, strong, and has a decent set of wheels. He'd look good in red and white.

That's all. . . For now.

Suburban Rhythm

06-20-2006, 08:35 AM

Ah, I'd forgotten about Bernie Nicholls. Even though his career was made in LA, I really only remember him in his last few years with the Blackhawks and Sharks.

I had forgotten that Oliwa was back with the Devils this year. Looking up his stats, I see that he must be REALLY washed up. He appeared in 3 games for the Devils and had NO penalty minutes. Krzyzstof Oliwa with no penalty minutes? Are you kidding me?

The whole Valeri Kamensky thing is a blur. Even after you mentioned his name, I didn't remember that he played half a year in New Jersey.

Like Oliwa, Vladimir Malakhov was with New Jersey, moved to the Rangers, and eventually came back to New Jersey. Of course, he was actually somewhat decent with New York, but he didn't do a hell of a lot in New Jersey. THANKS FOR THE EFFORT ANYWAY, VLAD. (SARCASM SARCASM SARCASM)

This is a fun game. Any other players moving between the Devils and Rangers in the past 12 years or so? I just hope Patrik Elias doesn't ever join that list. :)

Forgot about Vlad the Impaler...although does that count if he quits half way through the season?

I am sure there are more guys...great thing about the NHL, especially in the late 80's, early 90's, guys played for just about every team in the league.

sachmo71

06-20-2006, 09:09 AM

Stars big free agents are Jason Arnott, Willie Mitchell andTrevor Daley (RFA). As they state in the article, including Guerin's contract, the Stars are at $30 million right now. Buying out Guerin is a priority. It just didn't work out. Then maybe we can bring Arnott back. Getting Mitchell back is also a priority.

Turco is puzzling. I think he'll grow to be a contender one day, but I think he confidence in the playoffs must be shattered. He may be able to overcome it, you just never know.

Our forwards are getting old, but we have some nice youngsters. Depending on how things go, we could be knee deep in Finns around here.

My expectations for this year, assuming we don't get Arnott back, are to see a big drop off in the standings. Get Arnott back, and have some of the youngsters step up, and we'll be fine. That's a lot to ask, though.

Honolulu_Blue

06-20-2006, 09:15 AM

The Devils have $7.1 million in "dead money" going against their cap this year? :eek:

Sweet jeebus!

AgustusM

06-20-2006, 09:26 AM

a couple of things about the season that just ended before I am ready to move on to the off-season

Cam Ward - damn that was impressive, curious to see what you more experienced hockey guys think this guys future is. was he right place, right time or the reason they won the cup? either way I was very impressed with this young mans play and demeanor.

Edmonton Oilers - I am no Oilers fan, in fact a Sharks fan who kind of wanted to see them get their ass handed to them - but I have to say I was totally impressed with how resilient this team was, down 2-0 sharks, down 3-1 in the finals, losing their goalie for the finals this team truly NEVER gave up - I actually found myself a little disappointed when the empty netter when in last night, not that I wanted Edmonton to win - but I would have like to see them continue to battle down to the last second.

Maple Leafs

06-20-2006, 10:02 AM

Suburban Rhythm

06-20-2006, 10:10 AM

Priority 1 for the Penguins is what to do with the #2 pick. Their first choice would be have the Blues pass over Erik Johnson, and they scoop him up. Assuming that doesn't happen, there are many ways to go, including the rumored deal of the #2 to Carolina for Jack Johnson. Or keeping it and filling a weakness on the wing with Phil Kessel. Or, going the BPA route and taking Jordan Staal.

Priority 2 is figuring out what is going to happen with Evgeni Malkin. If the IIHF agreement is signed, he should be here in the fall. If he is not, looks like Ryan Malone would be the #2 C behind Crosby (more on that later).

Free agent outlook-- they need a top 4 defensemen. Gonchar was a totally different player the 2nd half of the season. And Ryan Whitney played reasonably well for a kid who started the year at 22 years old. After that, I don't think anyone has claimed a top 4 job. Brooks Orpik is the top thumper-type guy, but he still takes too many bad penalties. Noah Welch looked fantastic in a 3 game call-up, but do you count on him to play that way over 82 games? Rob Scuderi and Joe Melichar are decent depth guys, Scuderi a pretty nice PK guy, and are suitable for bottom pairing work.

The Pens will NOT be a player for the top tier d-men like Chara or Redden, and probably not even the next tier of Kubina or Willie Mitchell, who will probably command more money then they might be worth. A guy like Spacek would fit nicely--he had a great postseason, playing top minutes alongside Pronger. Or, they could look at lesser known but solid guys, like Mark Eaton, who are steady but not flashy. Or shot-blocker deluxe Jay McKee.

Hopefully, they sign at least one top 6 wing, to play with either Crosby or Malkin. And, depending what happens with Malkin, possibly a 3rd line center. While Michel Therrien played Ryan Malone the 2nd half of the season at C, and considers him to be a nice fit on the 3rd line to play against the bigger C's in the Eastern Conference, New GM Ray Shero has said "I don't see a 3rd or 4th line center on the roster currently." That could mean Malone moves back to LW on to play next to Crosby/Malkin. In that case, I'd love to see Mike Sillinger center the 3rd line.

The top 6 winger brought in, same as on defense, will not be the premier names available like Elias or Samsonov. Much like Joe Thornton did for Cheechoo this year-- Cheechoo was a productive, steady 25 goal producer in his first few season, and exploded next to a great center--the Pens might not feel the need to get a 40+ goal scorer. They might be comfortable signing a guy who has consistently scored 25-30 a season, and allow Crosby to move him to the next level. A guy who stands out to me as that type would be Mark Parrish. They could also look at the Carolina/Edmonton model where the top 9 forwards are nearly interchangeable, and go after speedy guys like Mike Grier

Returning players-- Colby Armstong will no doubt start the year as Crosby's RW, the two showed great chemistry together. Many in the organization were question whether Armstrong would ever make it at this level. He actually had to clear waivers at the beginning of the year after training camp and went unclaimed. He surprised many people with his touch--he was mostly seen as a scrappy, decent scoring, 3rd line type player (Darcy Tucker might be a good comparison)--but showed he could hang as Crosby's partner on the top line (a stretch here, but a poor man's Ryan Smyth??). All while still continuing to annoy the hell out of people (a few of his classic this past season were blowing kisses to Ryan Kesler after leveling him with a hit, and telling Rod Brind'amour he looks like a camel.)

Also back, Konstantin Koltsov (maybe the fastest skater in the league, but hands can't keep up), Andy Hilbert (played well with Crosby as well), Andre Roy, Max Talbot.

John Lecalir could also return. He has not made a decision on playing another season. He would claim his spot as the 3rd line LW.

A few of the interesting players to be returning--
Erik Christensen. He played well in brief stretches, but his future would need to be on the wing rather than center, with Crosby/Malkin claiming the top 2 spots.
Tomas Surovy. Has been on the verge a few seasons now, but has never put it all together.
Michel Oullett-goal scorer in both the ECHL and AHL....and flashes last year. At one point scored 10 G in 13 games...but below average skater who, if not scoring goals, not contributing much to the team. Oullett seems the ideal type to claim Leclair's spot should he not return, getting 3rd line time, and a PP specialist.

In goal, Marc-Andre Fleury is an RFA, but he'll be back. Jocelyn Thibault was a bust, and then got injured, but is under contract for another season. Sebastien Caron is a nice player, but will never be a #1 here with Fleury.

Other potential scenarios to consider--

Players like Surovy, Oullett, Christensen, also Krys Kolanos (previous #1 pick of the Coyotes) in the AHL currently, could present cheap alternatives for teams close to the salary cap. While difficult to call these guys "NHL ready", they all have game experience, and played fairly well. Teams could do worse than Christensen as a #2 center, if they can pair him with some vet players. Same goes for Surovy as a 2nd/3rd line wing.

Teams like Tampa Bay, who have large chunk of cap tied up in their top players, might be looking to shed salary for younger players. Tampa could look to move a guy like Freddie Modin (filling the Pens top 6 wing need) or RFA dman Cory Sarich (Pens lack any right handed D on their roster) for cheaper alternatives, and provide the Pens with players they need.

If the playoffs taught the Penguins anything, they need more speed on the wings, and another consistent goal scorer. On the back end, they need to add at least one defensemen, preferably someone capable of eating top 4 minutes. A reasonable guess for next year--

Parrish - Crosby - Armstong
Malone - Malkin - Hilbert
LeClair - Sillinger - Kolstov
Oullett - Talbot - Roy

Gonchar - Spacek
Whitney - Orpik
Welch - Scuderi

Honolulu_Blue

06-20-2006, 10:11 AM

bbor

06-20-2006, 10:17 AM

Roloson to the Leafs as a hold over till Rusk and Pogge are ready?

Suburban Rhythm

06-20-2006, 10:21 AM

Gerber would be a nice, realtively cheap option to for a few teams looking for a 1 or 2 year stop gap. I don't know that he'll be back in Carolina.

gstelmack

06-20-2006, 10:27 AM

Johnny93g

06-20-2006, 10:28 AM

Roloson to the Leafs as a hold over till Rusk and Pogge are ready?

Id rather see Manny Legace come here. Still not a Roloson fan. I wouldnt exactly be thrilled with Legace though.

Johnny93g

06-20-2006, 10:29 AM

The big story in Toronto right now is Bryan McCabe, who still hasn't signed the sweetheart deal the Leafs have offered him. Apparently his wife wants him to play in Long Island. I like the guy, but sorry Bryan, if you can't sign the best contract you're ever going to see because your wife won't let you then maybe your not the sort of character guy we thought you were.

News story from today's Toronto Star (http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1150753811475&call_pageid=1044442959412&col=1044442957278)

McCabe contract should be resolved
Jun. 20, 2006. 01:00 AM

Contract dealings between Bryan McCabe and the Maple Leafs have been stalled because of a pressing family medical situation that the defenceman hopes will be resolved by the end of the week.

McCabe, who stands to become an unrestricted free agent July 1, told Howard Berger of The Fan 590 yesterday that the medical situation "has been all-consuming" and that he hasn't had the time nor the inclination to address the new contract.

McCabe said he anticipates that things should be back to normal by the end of this week and that he still hopes to sign the five-year, $28.75 million (U.S.) contract that he has already agreed to with the Leafs.

Leafs general manager John Ferguson could not be reached for comment last night, but a source close to the team said that the offer remains on the table and will be honoured by the Toronto team should McCabe choose to accept it.

That means that McCabe could be under contract in time for the NHL draft Saturday, which is usually a key time for teams to make trades to fill holes in their rosters.

The deal includes a no-movement clause, which means the Leafs can't trade or waive McCabe or buy him out.

Ken Campbell

Cards4ever

06-20-2006, 10:38 AM

A reasonable guess for next year--

Parrish - Crosby - Armstong
Malone - Malkin - Hilbert
LeClair - Sillinger - Kolstov
Oullett - Talbot - Roy

Gonchar - Spacek
Whitney - Orpik
Welch - Scuderi

Parrish's first choice is the Wild. If they are willing to give him a decent contract he will be playing here. Pens(or any other team) will have to overpay to get him.

Honolulu_Blue

06-20-2006, 11:26 AM

TSN is reporting Sakic re-signed with the Avs. A 1 year deal at $5.75 million. I think that sounds about right. Not a bad deal for Colorado.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=169248&hubname=nhl

Report: Sakic signs 1-year deal with Avs

Joe Sakic has signed a one-year with the Colorado Avalanche worth $5.75 million US, according to TSN's sister station in Quebec RDS.
Sakic, who was set to become an unrestricted free agent on July 1, scored 32 goals and 55 assists in 82 games last season.
The Burnaby, B.C. native is entering his 18th season with the franchise since being taken 15th overall by the Quebec Nordiques in the 1987 NHL Entry Draft
Sakic led them to the Stanley Cup in 1996 and 2001, and was awarded the Conn Smythe Trophy as the MVP of the 1996 playoffs.
In 2001, he won a trio of awards including the Hart Memorial Trophy as the NHL's MVP, the Lady Byng Memorial Trophy for gentlemanly conduct, and the Lester B. Pearson Award as the league MVP voted for by his peers.

mooreadamc

06-20-2006, 11:49 AM

sachmo71

06-20-2006, 01:18 PM

Sakic is worth every penny.

bronconick

06-20-2006, 01:38 PM

San Jose's needs are primarily a 1st line winger and maybe a top 4 defensemen. A faceoff specialist would be nice, but when your top 2 centers are Thornton and Marleau, all you can really do is hope they get better at winning them, since you can't exactly take them off the ice.

To get those holes filled, they have two #1 goalies in Nabokov and Toskala, and a few extra young defensemen that are glutting the bottom 4-5 spots. Hannan and McLaren aren't going anywhere, nor are Ehrhoff or Preissing. Carle also has a spot locked up. That leaves Rob Davison, Josh Gorges and Doug Murray for the last three spots. I'd like to keep Murray and one of the other two, because Murray had more big hits in his 30 odd games this season then the rest of the team combined, and Edmonton basically pummelled the Sharks into submission, just as the Flames did in 03-04. Nils Ekman is possibly also trade bait, as he was absolutely dreadful in the playoffs alongside Cheechoo and Thornton.

The goalie thing is the interesting part, as Doug Wilson has basically said that they "probably won't" go with those two to start next season, and a lot of it depends on what each guy would gain them. Nabby had a down year, but did play injured much of the time, and was pretty darn good in the Olympics. Toskala finally ripped the starting job away from him and finished 24-7-4 and I think didn't lose a home game in regulation from mid-December until game 5 vs. Edmonton. He was 19-3-3 in his last 25 starts in the regular season.

I'd *assume* Nabokov will be the one traded if any major moves are made, as his $5.2 million a year salary would balance out picking up a top winger or defensemen, and the Sharks aren't going to spend to the cap, and will probably like to stick around $35-37 million (this season, I believe they ended around $33 or so.) The contract makes it likely that they won't get anything other then a hefty salary coming back or less then his actual value.

FrogMan

06-20-2006, 01:39 PM

A great deal indeed. I wonder if we'll hold onto Blake or not. I just hope Theodore comes back to what he can be next season otherwise he's a huge cap hit.

Yeah, I'm sure that'll happen just that way if he keeps hitting the night life with Paris Hilton... :D

Don't know how his wife is dealing with it while she's dealing with a three month old baby...

FM

mooreadamc

06-20-2006, 01:39 PM

Reading the TSN information and thinking about it some more, I think the Avs should let Blake go. He wasn't spectacular this year and is certainly not worth as much as he's being paid. Misewell go for a guy like McKee and pick up another vet. Or maybe Jovo :D

mooreadamc

06-20-2006, 01:40 PM

Yeah, I'm sure that'll happen just that way if he keeps hitting the night life with Paris Hilton... :D

Don't know how his wife is dealing with it while she's dealing with a three month old baby...

FM

Really? This is the first mention i've heard of this. What a nice guy :rolleyes:

Maple Leafs

06-20-2006, 01:43 PM

Wait, you're complaining about the character of a guy who would choose family interests over money?
No, I'm saying a guy who's only allowed to play for the Islanders because his wife says so may not have the "win at all costs" attitude that you want from your franchise player.

Sounds like a moot point, though, based on the article in today's Star.

FrogMan

06-20-2006, 01:44 PM

Really? This is the first mention i've heard of this. What a nice guy :rolleyes:

nto sure if you're just being sarcastic with the rolling eyes and all, anyway, take a look:
http://www.canada.com/topics/entertainment/television/story.html?id=2d2a0c4d-e2dc-455f-af47-2c5cbfcbb022&k=80081
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20060620.wxnote20-1/BNStory/Entertainment/home
http://thebosh.com/archives/2006/06/paris_hiltons_new_man.php
http://www.tmz.com/2006/06/19/paris-she-shoots-she-scores/

FM

DeToxRox

06-20-2006, 01:49 PM

Travis

06-20-2006, 02:06 PM

Well, let's see where the changing of the guard starts in Edmonton. Here's their lineup (and status) from Game 7:

Smyth (signed) - Horcoff (RFA) - Hemsky (RFA)
Samsonov (UFA) - Stoll (RFA) - Dvorak (UFA)
Torres (signed) - Peca (UFA) - Pisani (UFA)
Moreau (signed) - Murray (UFA) - Harvey (UFA)
Winchester (signed) - Petersen (RFA) - Laraque (UFA)
Jacques (signed) - Schremp (signed) - Pouliot (signed)

Pronger (signed) - J. Smith (signed)
Staios (signed) - Spacek (UFA)
Tarnstrom (UFA) - Greene (signed)
Bergeron (signed) - Syvret (signed)
D. Smith (RFA)

Roloson (UFA)
Markkanen (signed)
Conklin (signed)

As far as I look at it, Peca is definitely gone. Samsonov/Tarnstrom/Dvorak/Laraque/Harvey/Murray are likely gone. I see Edmonton making a strong play to resign Spacek, if that fails, then possibly a move for Tarnstrom. The only other scenario that Tarnstrom says is if they look to move one of J. Smith/Staios/Bergeron/Greene in a trade.

Pisani has possibly priced himself out of Edmonton's range and has become, along with Horcoff, two potential stumbling blocks for building this organization. Hemsky has already proven that while he may be inconsistent, that he's the most talented forward on the team, and should get a nice contract, and is deserving of being a first liner in this league. Where we can get in trouble is by giving guys like Horcoff too much money for too many years in too big of a role. Schremp is supposed to be our #1 center, so signing Horcoff for anything more than 2 years would be a sign to me that Stoll is being shopped around. Pisani on the other hand may be the second line replacement for Dvorak while Torres replaces Samsonov on the wing. Moreau back to his third line status. I can't help but give benefit of the doubt for now to Pisani, but I personally believe that he's an ideal third line winger who I would love to have back at third line price, but with the way his playoffs went and his unrestricted status, I really fear that second line time and money will be needed to keep him, and with all the other movement, I think the brass will be under pressure to keep him.

Samsonov, when he's on, what a great player, but we already have one Raffi Torres, no need to sink first line money into Sergei, and again, I think somebody out there will be willing to show him that kind of money, so let him walk too.

The big question will be in net. If we resign Roloson, then it's an extra third rounder to Minnesota, but can Roli be an answer for more than one more year? Is he even an answer for next year? Personally, and this is likely not a very popular opinion in Edmonton right now, but I'd like to see them explore other avenues for a 28-32 year old to hold the fort for 3 years while Deslauriers and Dubnyk battle it out to see who is our future between the pipes.

In the end though, I'm hoping we sign Horcoff to a 2 year deal, ink Hemsky long term, hang onto Stoll, let Tarnstrom walk while keeping Spacek, bring up Schremp/Pouliot/Winchester/Jacques/Petersen next year. At that point, your top two lines are pretty good offensively, you have a wonderful defensive corps, and you can focus on a second line winger and in net with likely some decent money to spend back there.

Smyth-Horcoff-Hemsky
Torres-Stoll-?
Moreau-Schremp-Pisani
Jacques-Pouliot-Winchester
Petersen-?

Pronger-Smith
Staios-Spacek
Greene-Bergeron
Syvret

?
Markkanen

Not necessarily a lot of big names there, but add the right compliment on that second line RW spot, and there is a nice amount of offensive upside to every line with a lot of young up and coming talent. Might not be the veteran fourth line most coaches like, but it would be a vast improvement to Harvey-Murray-Laraque.

mooreadamc

06-20-2006, 02:13 PM

nto sure if you're just being sarcastic with the rolling eyes and all, anyway, take a look:
http://www.canada.com/topics/entertainment/television/story.html?id=2d2a0c4d-e2dc-455f-af47-2c5cbfcbb022&k=80081
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20060620.wxnote20-1/BNStory/Entertainment/home
http://thebosh.com/archives/2006/06/paris_hiltons_new_man.php
http://www.tmz.com/2006/06/19/paris-she-shoots-she-scores/

FM

of course I was being sarcastic with the rolling eyes. I really never heard of this until today but I think it's wrong of him to do that to his wife.

mooreadamc

06-20-2006, 02:16 PM

?
Markkanen

I actually think it will look like:

Markkanen
?

He played very well in the Finals and still has 4 more good years left. I believe he's 31 isn't he?

FrogMan

06-20-2006, 02:17 PM

of course I was being sarcastic with the rolling eyes. I really never heard of this until today but I think it's wrong of him to do that to his wife.

I thought you were being sarcastic about having never heard about it, heh. And I also think it's wrong of him to do that to his wife but I guess we don't hold ourselves to the same standards as these guys seem to do. That, and he's got a pea for a brain. :D

FM

johnnyshaka

06-20-2006, 02:33 PM

Travis...I agree with a lot of the moves you'd like to see...especially the goalie situation. I'm not convinced Rollie is the right option despite his great playoffs simply because he's going to want big money for more than a year or two and I don't think that's what we need to be doing. First of all, we really need a youngster to step it up and make a play for the fulltime job in Edmonton...up to this point, nobody has. Do we look at grabbing somebody on draft day...hmmmm...sure, why not...but that isn't going to help us now. What the answer is, I don't know...but Rollie isn't it.

johnnyshaka

06-20-2006, 02:37 PM

I actually think it will look like:

Markkanen
?

He played very well in the Finals and still has 4 more good years left. I believe he's 31 isn't he?

Six games shouldn't erase his previous performances. He definitely got a fair shot at winning the starting role this season and didn't take advantage of it and I'm guessing he'll probably only get that same oppurtunity if Lowe can't find a better alternative at an affordable price.

Suburban Rhythm

06-20-2006, 03:00 PM

DeToxRox

06-20-2006, 03:20 PM

What is the story on Grigenko's recovery? Is he ready to step in, if healthy? Or, after missing time, will he need another year?

He was going to come over this yeae, but his Russian team are paying him $1 mil tax free to stay in Russia, so he's going to play there another year. His agent states he wants to play in the NHL and that he'll be a Wing in 07-08.

Honolulu_Blue

06-20-2006, 03:44 PM

Wings, if they can get Lulungo to sign a 3-5 year deal, have to pull the trigger and say buh bye to Datsyuk.

HB said it best, Zetterbeg is future, and down the road you won't be able to keep both, so get rid of Dats and get a "potential" and I stress potential, hall of fame caliber goalie.

Signability is the biggest problem with Luongo. I reckon he'll be asking for quite a bit.

Here's a look at the numbers:

Currently, the Wings have eleven players signed for next season.

Holmstrom ($1.475 million), Maltby ($1.444 million), Datsyuk ($3.9 million), Zetterberg ($2.65 million), Lang ($3.8 million), Draper ($2.128 million), Samuelsson ($1.2 million), Lilja ($1 million), Kronwall ($840,000), Schneider ($3.3 million), and Chelios ($850,000). That brings us to $22.587 million.

Now let's factor in the free agents. Shanahan will likely resign, and very likely get a raise. However, he is a reasonable guy, so it is doubtful he will get up to $3 million. Suppose he gets $2.8 million. Franzen is an RFA, and he isn't a big-name player. Suppose he gets a small raise to $750,000. Lebda will resign, probably for about $850,000, maybe a little less. Osgood will take a pay cut, perhaps down to $850,000. Cleary made $450,000 last season. Assuming we keep him, he might get $500,000. Williams is sort of a wild card. He also made $450,000 last season, and was grossly underpaid. Supposing he signs, he could probably get $1 million. Lidstrom will sign, hopefully for around $8 million. That puts the total at $37.337.

Now, take away Datsyuk's salary, and say the Wings sign Luongo for $7 million. That brings them to right around $40 million. The cap is going to be about $44 million. That leaves $4 million to play with. The Wings need one, maybe two, additional depth defensemen. There goes a mil. Replacing Datsyuk could easily take $2 mil. Assuming Yzerman comes back, and assuming he takes very little money (say, $750,000), that leaves us with
$350,000, approximately. We end up with a hole in our offense, an unproven (and pricey) goaltender, and no wiggle room.

It's possible that Luongo will settle for less than $7 million, but I can't see him settling for too much less. $6 million? Maybe. $5 million? Not too likely.

Unless the Wings do actually aquire Luongo, they'll have some cap room to
play with.

Not all of the above players are returning, of course, but replacements that fit the tough/fast bill won't be vastly more expensive since they'll have to be lesser-known guys anyway.

One opinion on the goaltending issue is that the Wings shouldn't risk so much on Luongo and should instead go for a cheaper veteran with the intention of ushering in their own young goalies within a couple years. They need to spend money on their skaters, not their goalie.

The opposite view is that goaltending is the most important position by far and the Wings would be foolish to pass up on an opporunity to get a potential hall of fame goalie who likely hasn't even reached his prime.

Travis

06-20-2006, 03:54 PM

As much as I like Markkanen, he'll never be a #1 in the NHL. They tried this year, heck, they pretty much handed him the job when Conklin fell flat. He did do well during the strike and played a lot of games over there which increased his support here. The knock on Jussi is that he can be great for stretches, but doesn't stand up to the rigors of a full season. He showed during the Cup finals how good he can be, and while everybody hoped the extended showing during the strike helped him turn the corner for consistency, he didn't back that up with his play this season.

We have two young goalies in Deslauriers and Dubnyk, and the big problem this year was no dedicated minor league team, which will hopefully be rectified next year. Either way, they won't be ready next season, neither will anybody we draft this year, so the question is how long do you keep putting a bandage on things in hopes that one of the two young guys will be ready in 2-3 years?

I'd definitely pull for letting Roloson go, saving the pick, and aggressively pursuing options in that 28-32 range (closer to 28 being preferable of course) and spend some of the money that will be available. With the money gained from the extra playoff time, Edmonton should be able to raise their payroll in accordance with whatever cap increase there is, and a solid goalie from start to finish should mean we finish 3-5 rather than 6-8 next season.

And who knows, if we can get home ice advantage in the playoffs, things get a whole lot more interesting.

Pyser

06-20-2006, 04:02 PM

Luongo, Giguere, Gerber, Legace, Hasek, the SJ goalie whose name escapes me, Roloson...what a great year to be looking for a goalie for once.

Wolfpack

06-20-2006, 04:09 PM

Carolina's got a bit of work to do going into this offseason if they want another crack at the Cup next year.

*Just about all of the defense is at least RFA (Commodore) if not UFA (Kaberle, Wallin, Ward) or probably retiring (Wesley).

*Beyond that, RFAs include Cole, Staal, LaRose, and Williams. Cole, Staal, and Williams are must-have priorities to re-sign, particularly Staal if they're going to the effort of perhaps trading away a stud defenseman like Johnson for Staal's kid brother. I'm guessing Staal will get to name his number if that's the case.

*Gerber did a wonderful job carrying us to the playoffs, but I doubt he'll want to stay to be a backup to Ward after the year he had, so he's probably out.

*The rentals of Weight and Recchi are probably also going to be returned to their respective teams now that they've achieved their goals.

*Cullen is the other significant FA left. He'll be a target for a lot of teams after this year's performance.

*Oh, yeah. Karmanos has said he'll match whatever offer anyone makes for Laviolette, so if the indications are true that Boston wants him, it'll be his decision to go for personal rather than monetary reasons. It would suck royal if he left after all he did this year. The guy is a flat-out winner and never got a fair shake on Long Island from what I can tell.

*Remainder under contract include Brindy, Hedican, Stillman, Vasicek, Kevin Adams, Ray Whitney, and Ladd. It's a decent chance that Hedican may head into the sunset after all he's gone through in recent years. Brind'Amour is probably back for another year, but probably will retire not too long from now. All the others are pretty young and Ward and Ladd are still baby-faced.

So, it's a good core, but the crucial priorities will be to keep Staal, Cole, and Laviolette basically at whatever price it takes and then go from there. Normally it'd be nice to say cap space isn't an issue, but if Karmanos continues to work things so that he stays on the receiving end of revenue sharing, then our cap is actually much lower than the expected $44 million.

I hope we turn into the New England Patriots and not the Florida Marlins.

Draft Dodger

06-21-2006, 06:04 AM

one big sigh of relief from me - Sakic has re-upped for 1 year, $5.75. He no doubt could have landed a bigger/longer deal if he wanted to look around. Colorado still needs another top center (*cough* Arnott *cough*) and all 3 key defensemen (Blake, Clark, Skraskins) are FAs.

mooreadamc

06-21-2006, 07:21 AM

Karim

06-21-2006, 07:05 PM

Taken from HF from a well-respected poster:

I spent the majority of yesterday afternoon having beverages with an NHL scout , and I followed that up with a phone call to another one who I highly respect - they're both heading to Vancouver tomorrow.

Heard lots of interesting stuff, including that Fischer is the biggest "idiot" of the draft. Mr. Fischer spent the majority of his combine interviews espousing his greatness and putting down his coaching - and I mean "really" putting down his coaching. This was not an isolated thing - Fischer managed to turn off pretty much every team he interviewed, and the scouts had a running joke going after awhile. One scout told me that he ran into a colleague partway through the interviews, and he said "Did you interview the idiot yet?" He asked who it was, and the fellow scout replied 'Oh, you'll know when you talk to him."

The next time he met scouts in the hallway, others began talking about whether others had interviewed "the idiot" - he was perhaps
the most obnoxious interview they had ever had. It became a running joke.

Both scouts concurred that there's not a lot of difference between the 2nd and 7th prospects. The one that spends a lot of time out west was quite impressed with Mueller, and would be tempted to pick him over both Kessel and Brassard. "They're all so close," he said. "But I saw Mueller play some outstanding games. He's really smart and skilled."

Anyway - Berglund got a big thumbs down from these scouts - they're not sold on him being a first rounder, let alone a top 20 pick. Not smart with the puck; has a tendency to try to go end-to-end with the puck. Not always willing to put in the effort.

Stewart will be a great pick at 16 if he's there, but these scouts doubt that he'll last that long. BTW - both said they would take Stewart over Frolik.

I asked both of them who their top defenceman is after Johnson -
- both of them said Summers and Sanguinetti. I asked them if Summers was a top 20 pick, and they both concurred.

As for Little - they both have him in their top 10.

Okposo wasn't as popular as I thought he would be - in fact one of the scouts has Okposo rated after Little, Tlusty, and Sheppard.
"He's an enigma," said one scout. "I saw him play four times - he didn't seem to have a defined role. He didn't score, he didn't playmake...and had one shot on goal. I wasn't very impressed."

I asked the same scout about Kessel - he had him ranked 7th. "I don't like him," said the scout. "I see selfishness. I could see him maybe being on his third team before he's a star; that type of player." The scout concurred that Kessel was one of the players at the under-18s that didn't sign the sweater for the disabled equipment trainer that Jack Johnson asked his teammates to sign. "Johnson got him to sign it in a hurry."

Grabner was considered a top 20 pick by both scouts, they like his skill.

Neither scout has Giroux rated in the top 20, but they like him in the first round. Vishnevsky and Williams are not listed in either scouts' top 30.

Foligno versus White - they like both players, but Foligno is considered to be better. "He's a better skater than White and smarter" said one scout.

These are the scouts' top 17 picks:

Johnson
Staal
Toews
Backstrom
Mueller
Kessel
Brassard
Little
Tlusty
Sheppard
Okposo
Stewart
Sanguinetti
Frolik
Summers
Bernier
Grabner

The more I hear about Summers; the more I think he'll be a good pick. Both think he'll be picked in the top 20.

McBain got mixed reviews a solid character but lacking the defensive skills/size to be a first rounder. Maxwell was also not considered to be first-round material, same with Clutterbuck.

Anisimov, Varlamov and Alexandrov are the most coveted Russians with both scouts - Vasyunov too much of a hot and cold player to be considered for the first round.

Burki and Geoffrion are not first rounders according to these scouts, nor is Emmerton, but they all should go in the 2nd round.

Lewis - 3rd rounder. Said a scout: "He's not the most willing guy."

Nigel Williams - neither are fans. Said one scout "He doesn't have a clue how to play defence. Great athlete, but that's it."

Wishart - they see him going in the first round, but both have problems with his first step. "He's slow footed," said one, which surprised me. Neither is impressed by his aggressiveness, or lack thereof.

Vishnevsky - "Some shifts he looks like a world beater, so much skating talent, but he's really poor in his own zone; he just bails out. Too much of a risk to take in the first round"

Mathias - A solid second rounder after his Under 18 performance, not necessarily before. "I like him - he competes," said a scout. "He's non-stop."

~~~~~

And here are some interviews from ISS scouts:
http://www.thepipelineshow.com/media_detail.php?show=2006-06-13%2000:00:00

NoSkillz

06-21-2006, 07:15 PM

Luongo, Giguere, Gerber, Legace, Hasek, the SJ goalie whose name escapes me, Roloson...what a great year to be looking for a goalie for once.

Don't forget about Martin Biron either. Buffalo will be looking to trade up in the draft and will be dangling him and one of their surplus forwards for a top-12 pick.

sovereignstar

06-21-2006, 07:25 PM

Calling the Mr. Hockey in Minnesota an idiot? Never head anything bad about him before...

He probably asked the scout why he isn't playing hockey or something.

Edit: Another thing. What kind of scout goes around yapping about how big of an "idiot" a kid is? Isn't that something you would want to keep to yourself as a professional scout (to give you advanced knowledge)?

Cards4ever

06-21-2006, 07:30 PM

Fischer is young, Lucia will knock that attitude out of him or he will be sitting.

I could tell you who the real "idiot" is in that group is, but, better to just leave it alone.

Maple Leafs

06-21-2006, 08:41 PM

Edit: Another thing. What kind of scout goes around yapping about how big of an "idiot" a kid is? Isn't that something you would want to keep to yourself as a professional scout (to give you advanced knowledge)?
Why bother, if it's an open joke among all the scouts you're talking to?

BishopMVP

06-22-2006, 04:26 AM

This thread already? C'mon! Let me savor things for a while longer, will ya? :Dhxxp://www.theonion.com/content/node/49761 :p

Suburban Rhythm

06-22-2006, 08:41 AM

There were rumblings that Aleksey Morozov could return to the Pens after a 2 year stint in Russia. However, today's Pittsburgh Post Gazette confirms that won't be happening..

http://www.postgazette.com/pg/06173/700272-61.stm

A story in Soviet Sport reported Morozov, who is scheduled to become an unrestricted free agent in the NHL July 1, signed a three-year contract, with no escape clause, with Ak Bars Kazan.

woodfeld

06-22-2006, 09:12 AM

SI.com's Allan Muir has his prediction for next year's Stanley Cup up.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/allan_muir/06/21/inside.nhl/index.html

NoSkillz

06-22-2006, 10:50 AM

SI.com's Allan Muir has his prediction for next year's Stanley Cup up.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/allan_muir/06/21/inside.nhl/index.html

I find it utterly hilarious that Muir is now on the Sabres bandwagon, saying "what's not to like about this team" when earlier this year he was bad-mouthing them every chance he got. He especially got on the case of co-captain Daniel Briere, saying he's among the most hated players in the league (supposedly because Boston's Nick Boynton called him a diver) and pretty much said he made it impossible for people to cheer for Buffalo. :rolleyes:

Now I'm not sure what opposing fans think of Briere but he is BELOVED in Buffalo not only because of his high level of play but because of his endless charity work. He's a great kid.

Who knows...maybe Muir is hoping the 'SI jinx' hits the Sabres.

Wolfpack

06-22-2006, 10:51 AM

hxxp://www.theonion.com/content/node/49761 :p

Saw that this morning. Printed it out and have it on the wall. I can definitely laugh about it now that my team won it. :D

NoSkillz

06-22-2006, 10:53 AM

If you're a draft nerd like me, check out the following link:

http://www.hfboards.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=15833

It's the full 2006 NHL Draft media guide...great reading!!! :)

Honolulu_Blue

06-22-2006, 10:54 AM

Wolfpack totally denied you your first dola. I am sorry NoSkillz, but apparently when it comes to dolaing you handle is quite apt. ;)

Honolulu_Blue

06-22-2006, 10:54 AM

Dola.

Great link by the way. Thanks.

NoSkillz

06-22-2006, 11:48 AM

Wolfpack totally denied you your first dola. I am sorry NoSkillz, but apparently when it comes to dolaing you handle is quite apt. ;)

:D Yeah, had to edit my dola...just can't seem to get it right!!! Damn you Wolfpack! :)

bbor

06-22-2006, 11:52 AM

Wow...Kessel has really dropped stock.

DeToxRox

06-22-2006, 12:22 PM

Wow...Kessel has really dropped stock.

The same concerns that have followed Kessel the last few years continue to haunt him today. I was a huge Kessel fan, and I still think he'll be fine, but watching him play right now, I just don't see the greatness I once thought he had.

NoSkillz

06-22-2006, 12:24 PM

Gosh, I'm full of useless hockey information today!

This one is for DD and all the Avalanche fans out there. Seems Jose Theodore hooked up with Paris Hilton at the MuchMusic Video Awards this weekend and his girlfriend (and mother of his child) isn't too pleased...

http://torontosun.com/Entertainment/2006/06/22/1647345-sun.html

Pictures here: hxxp://www.tmz.com/2006/06/19/paris-she-shoots-she-scores/ (http://www.tmz.com/2006/06/19/paris-she-shoots-she-scores/)

Wolfpack

06-22-2006, 12:26 PM

:D Yeah, had to edit my dola...just can't seem to get it right!!! Damn you Wolfpack! :)

Hey, it's not my fault you couldn't type faster. :p :D

Suburban Rhythm

06-22-2006, 12:31 PM

The same concerns that have followed Kessel the last few years continue to haunt him today. I was a huge Kessel fan, and I still think he'll be fine, but watching him play right now, I just don't see the greatness I once thought he had.

Would Modano be a fair comparison, if things break right and he reaches his potential?

DeToxRox

06-22-2006, 12:47 PM

Would Modano be a fair comparison, if things break right and he reaches his potential?

Could be a fair assessment. Kess, like Modano, can set his teamates up, and when needed he can put it in the net. Intangibles might be a different story.

bbor

06-22-2006, 12:50 PM

I don 't think Kessel has Modano speed though.

BishopMVP

06-22-2006, 12:52 PM

Kessel < Jon Toews

Suburban Rhythm

06-22-2006, 12:53 PM

Could be a fair assessment. Kess, like Modano, can set his teamates up, and when needed he can put it in the net. Intangibles might be a different story.

Yeah, was talking skill set only, sorry.

I don 't think Kessel has Modano speed though.

I thought Kessel's speed was one of his top assets?

mooreadamc

06-22-2006, 01:28 PM

Honolulu_Blue

06-22-2006, 01:36 PM

Hmm. As a Detroit fan, I must applaud Ms. Hilton and giver her a hearty "Yo go, Girl!" I remember a few years back she was spotted with Urlacher in Vegas or something. Urlacher struggled a bit after that whole ordeal. Hopefully the same will be true of Theodore only without the return to glory that Urlacher experienced this year.

Go, Paris.

NoSkillz

06-22-2006, 01:53 PM

This is on page 1 :).

:( I can't do anything right today...NoSkillz indeed. :D

sachmo71

06-22-2006, 02:08 PM

quit dogging Modano. he's getting old.

Karim

06-22-2006, 05:21 PM

mooreadamc

06-22-2006, 05:28 PM

Theodore's girlfriend has kicked him out and ended their 8-year relationship...
http://jam.canoe.ca/Television/2006/06/22/1647540-cp.html

Theodore's girlfriend (far right)
http://www.jdrf.ca/images/French/Vero%20Carole%20and%20Stephanie%20Cloutier.jpg

Well done, Jose.

Good for the girlfriend. Now Jose looks like the biggest piece of poo around :)

This is horrible:

The three-month-old girl had been in a children's hospital since being born prematurely.

Way to support a family Jose.

Honolulu_Blue

06-22-2006, 05:48 PM

Well, the original hypothesis has been tested by the rigors of the scientific method. It has now become a proven theorem.

French Canadian + Goalie + Colorado = DICK.

Cards4ever

06-22-2006, 06:39 PM

Kessel is not less then Toews, he had 12 more points in 3 less games then Toews. If Kessels stock has dropped, I think that's only to the benefit of the team he drops to.

Honolulu_Blue

06-22-2006, 10:21 PM

Well, Lidstrom bagged his 4th Norris trophy and Datsyuk won the Lady Byng. Well done, fellas.

Lidstrom joins Bobby Orr, Doug Harvey, and Ray Borque as the only defensemen ever to win more than 4 Norris Trophies. Impressive stuff. This will surely not lower his price tag.

Pyser

06-23-2006, 01:48 AM

http://www.anaheimducks.com/images/200606/1318.f.jpg

looks like a minor league team to me. ironic since the first one was based on a disney movie, i know...

Chief Rum

06-23-2006, 02:22 AM

http://www.anaheimducks.com/images/200606/1318.f.jpg

looks like a minor league team to me. ironic since the first one was based on a disney movie, i know...

To each their own. I think it looks terrific (and since I'm a Ducks fan, I guess that matters a little more ;) ).

Remember, the most important thing is it ain't Disneyish no more. And the orange looks distinctive, IMO, although it isn't the dominant color in either uniform. And no freakin' weird looking Duck character, and no more "Mighty" in the name. Admit it--it's an improvement. :D

Congrats, BTW, to Selanne on the Masterson, and better luck next time to Nieds, who I thought was as good a candidate for the Norris as Lidstrom (but there can be only one winner).

Draft Dodger

06-23-2006, 06:56 AM

Well, the original hypothesis has been tested by the rigors of the scientific method. It has now become a proven theorem.

French Canadian + Goalie + Colorado = DICK.

:mad:

seriously, what a dick move. and for Paris Hilton? I mean, if it was someone who was actually attractive, I could understand...

Draft Dodger

06-23-2006, 06:57 AM

I have to say I like the Ducks jerseys quite a bit. interesting colors, and that striping is awesome.

Fidatelo

06-23-2006, 07:50 AM

I like everything about those jerseys except for the flashy gold stripe. I don't understand why teams are going to that metallic looking material (Nuggets in b-ball did it too), it just looks dumb if you ask me.

Otherwise a good design for the logo, and the red piping is neat. I still think I like the old ones better though (but I've never hated on the Ducks for their ties to Disney, its just never bugged me).

sachmo71

06-23-2006, 08:38 AM

I'm glad the ducks lost the Mighty. There should be a law against that stuff...although it could be funny.

Introducing...your Dallas Cars!!! Brought to you by Pixar.

Suburban Rhythm

06-23-2006, 10:05 AM

There were rumblings that Aleksey Morozov could return to the Pens after a 2 year stint in Russia. However, today's Pittsburgh Post Gazette confirms that won't be happening..

http://www.postgazette.com/pg/06173/700272-61.stm

PG now reversing their story-- Morozov has signed a 3 year deal, but it does contain an out clause for his to continue negotiating with NHL teams.

FrogMan

06-23-2006, 10:35 AM

:mad:

seriously, what a dick move. and for Paris Hilton? I mean, if it was someone who was actually attractive, I could understand...

DD, you live close enough to Montreal to know he's not the brightest knife in the drawer. The guy's a frigging moron. That move is just in line with who he is...

FM

Pyser

06-23-2006, 11:09 AM

i just dont like the ducks word spelled out like that. it looks bushleague to me.

i liked the cursive anaheim writing on black. i thought they could keep it more like that, even with the name change.

bbor

06-23-2006, 11:24 AM

Well, the original hypothesis has been tested by the rigors of the scientific method. It has now become a proven theorem.

French Canadian + Goalie + Colorado = DICK.

LOL!

bbor

06-23-2006, 11:24 AM

Well, the original hypothesis has been tested by the rigors of the scientific method. It has now become a proven theorem.

French Canadian + Goalie + Colorado = DICK.

LOL!

Travis

06-23-2006, 02:02 PM

I really wish that they would have changed their name completely. Even at just the Ducks, most people are still going to associate it the same way, even with a new jersey, fresh design, etc, etc. They came in as the Mighty Ducks, named after the movie, and even as the Ducks, it's not like they've removed the association.

If they made the move just for a fresh look and to make some money on new jersey sales, fine. But if any part of this was to try and create a new identity and get rid of the original theme, I find it hard to believe that this will do the trick.

Wolfpack

06-23-2006, 03:23 PM

Well, I think dropping the "Mighty" part and just going to "Anaheim Ducks" does wonders. It was such a travesty that the NHL awarded a team that turned into just a commercial vehicle for the owning corporation. It's cute when it's a kid's movie, but patently absurd as an identity for a franchise in the professional sports world.

I don't think they could necessarily have divorced themselves entirely of the identity, though, because for good or ill, they are the Ducks to themselves, the city, and the league. At least they won't have that cartoon logo anymore. Wonder if the Duck mascot will undergo a change, as well, or will they keep his head and just give him a new uniform?

Maple Leafs

06-23-2006, 04:08 PM

Honolulu_Blue

06-23-2006, 04:23 PM

According to sportsnet.ca, Pronger wants to be traded. Strachan reported this two days ago but nobody paid attention because, well, it's Strachan.

Should be interesting to see what they do. They could get a boatload for him, and would probably turn around and spend the money from his salary on Wade Redden.

Woah. I didn't see that comin'. It's hard to imagine that Pronger would want out after Edmonton's run. Does he hate Alberta? Mac-T? Very odd.

Draft Dodger

06-23-2006, 04:55 PM

ditto to what hb said.

Draft Dodger

06-23-2006, 04:55 PM

about Pronger, that is, not the Roy dig earlier. :)

Travis

06-23-2006, 05:29 PM

I'll believe this (re: Pronger) after he has a chance to confirm/deny it. It just seems way too out of left field to be something I'll take seriously until the team and/or player involved states it.

If it is true, I'm very curious to know the reasoning behind it. Edmonton is supposed to have one of the better locker rooms in the league, so I'd venture to guess that the main potential culprits are fan pressure or local weather/city type. I understand that some players are going to like to play in cities with less pressure/better weather, all those types of things, but I really thought/believe that Pronger was the type of guy to thrive on expectation. If it ends up being another case of the wife not liking it here (see: Gretzky, Nedved), I might just end up being sick.

Pyser

06-23-2006, 07:05 PM

5 yrs, $18 mil to Brind'Amour. Hes signed til hes 40 now.

Maple Leafs

06-23-2006, 07:16 PM

From eklund's site (not not eklund himself... no idea if this is a quality source or not, never heard of him)

Chris Pronger has approached the Edmonton Oilers on more than one occasion this season expressing his desire to be traded at the end of the season.

I will not go into my private conversations with Pronger over the last several months, but I will confirm the rumors to be true.

This is a personal matter with Chris and his family and I will leave it at that at this time.

Pronger signed a five-year deal with the Oilers last summer.

Pronger has a no-trade clause in his contract.

Pronger has left for vacation and I will continue to update this story as it progresses.

There is a lot of false speculation being tossed around with other media outlets. Please be careful to who you are reading and listening to.

Lets just say where there is smoke there is fire.

Pronger has assured me when he is ready to talk publicly I will have the details first.

More to come,

Andy Strickland

Maple Leafs

06-23-2006, 07:40 PM

Funny article from Charlotte about the importance of the Hurricanes' win:

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/sports/columnists/tom_sorensen/14857871.htm

Draft Dodger

06-23-2006, 08:11 PM

5 yrs, $18 mil to Brind'Amour. Hes signed til hes 40 now.

and here I was wondering if he was going to retire...

Pyser

06-23-2006, 08:18 PM

the moneys right...but i figured 3 yr deal tops.

he was a beast this year though. cant fault the canes.

NoSkillz

06-23-2006, 08:47 PM

Zoinks!

TSN is reporting that Roberto Luongo was just traded to the Vancouver Canucks in a package deal for Todd Bertuzzi.

Huge deal!!!

Karim

06-23-2006, 09:04 PM

To Vancouver: Luongo, Lukas Krajicek and a sixth-round draft pick

To Florida: Bertuzzi, Bryan Allen and Alex Auld

Karim

06-23-2006, 09:06 PM

If it ends up being another case of the wife not liking it here (see: Gretzky, Nedved), I might just end up being sick.

Unfortunately, that's what I've been reading. Apparently she spent most of the season in St. Louis, came up to Edmonton only twice, and has no intention of living there.

Pyser

06-23-2006, 09:21 PM

To Vancouver: Luongo, Lukas Krajicek and a sixth-round draft pick

To Florida: Bertuzzi, Bryan Allen and Alex Auld

yowza. i dont like it for florida one bit. i dont think bertuzzi is a "new" nhl player. and how old is he?

and what happened to cloutier? is he a fa, or a backup or what?

florida couldve gotten more elsewhere i think.

Pyser

06-23-2006, 09:58 PM

dola, just talked to my friend who is a panthers fan, and he invited me over to burn his panther jerseys tonight.

and he wasnt kidding.

Maple Leafs

06-23-2006, 10:32 PM

Wow. Hell of a deal.

Wolfpack

06-23-2006, 11:19 PM

Funny article from Charlotte about the importance of the Hurricanes' win:

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/sports/columnists/tom_sorensen/14857871.htm

Let this jerk boil in his own jealousy over his big city teams not winning a championship before that podunk government town down east. We've got a Cup. To paraphrase something that was supposedly heard on the radio, Raleigh has more championships than Charlotte in hockey and the same in basketball and football and the city doesn't even have an NBA or NFL team. Oh, and let's not go into NCAA championships. Take away Duke and Carolina, it's still 2-0. Woo-hoo! Charlotte's got 'Neck-Car teams and championships out the wazoo! Thanks for reinforcing the hick image there, Tom.

(And I can say this because I was Charlotte-born, but Raleigh-raised, so I'm partial to both places.)

Travis

06-24-2006, 01:41 AM

Really surprised Florida pulled the trigger so fast. Would have thought they'd wait and see what sort of deal more teams would have offered. Wonder if Vancouver made it a case where the deal had to be done before the draft or they'd pull it. Really thought Florida could have gotten more to be honest, unless Luongo had quite a short list of teams that he was willing to go to and this was the best offer they could get from those teams.

RendeR

06-24-2006, 03:23 AM

Bring Pronger to Buffalo. The only thing the Sabres lack is the giant play-killer in the defensive end. Pronger has proven he is that and more.

Buffalo is a grande town =)

NoSkillz

06-24-2006, 04:56 AM

Bring Pronger to Buffalo. The only thing the Sabres lack is the giant play-killer in the defensive end. Pronger has proven he is that and more.

Buffalo is a grande town =)

Try telling that to his primadonna wife...:rolleyes:

Honolulu_Blue

06-24-2006, 07:36 AM

Try telling that to his primadonna wife...:rolleyes:

Agreed. If she doesn't like Edmonton odds are she wont love Buffalo. The again, apparently she's quite fond of St. Louis so perhaps her standards aren't that high. (I keed! I keed!)

Honolulu_Blue

06-24-2006, 07:38 AM

and here I was wondering if he was going to retire...

Yeah, me too. A good deal for Brindy, but it might hurt a little when the Canes are paying a 40 year old center $3 million. Wings fans know better than anyone just how good 40 year old plus hockey players can play (e.g., Chelios, Yzerman, Larionov), but there is a bit of slippage in their game around that time.

Draft Dodger

06-24-2006, 08:20 AM

Yeah, me too. A good deal for Brindy, but it might hurt a little when the Canes are paying a 40 year old center $3 million...

...to play for their AHL club

Draft Dodger

06-24-2006, 08:26 AM

Karim

06-24-2006, 09:24 AM

I don't think this is a bad trade at all for Florida. Auld has shown he is a very capable back-up and can maintain the starter's job in a pinch. Allen is very underrated and a solid #4-#6 stay-at-home defencemen. Both players are relatively inexpensive. Bertuzzi is tight with Keenan and if he would no longer be afraid to hit people, may regain his status as the best power-forward in the league. He certainly will be out of the spotlight.

Luongo needs to sign a multi-year contract or this trade is a franchise-destroyer in Vancouver.

Honolulu_Blue

06-24-2006, 09:39 AM

I have to admit I'm one of the few who likes this trade for the Panthers. Luongo was going to be difficult to re-sign. Not only did they get Bertuzzi, who, at the very least, gives people a reason to talk about hockey in Miami, but I am also quite fond of Auld and Allen.

Canucks needed to move Bertuzzi and they got a superstar goalie...but I think they gave up too much. and, as an Avs fan, I really hope they can't re-sign him. :)

I am with you, DD. I know Bertuzzi stuggled a bit last year, but getting out of Vancouver should help. While Bertuzzi isn't the ideal player in the new NHL (when is it going to become just the NHL? Begining of next year? The following year?), but he should be able to use his size and strength to his advantage like Joe Thornton. Without the ability to clutch and grab, Bertuzzi should be able to go anywhere on the ice he so chooses.

I really like the collection of forwards Florida is putting together.

Maple Leafs

06-24-2006, 10:45 AM

The Ottawa Sun says Redden will re-sign, maybe even today. The odd thing is they're reporting it as a $6 million deal, but only for two or three years. Seems odd to pass up long-term security to take a two year deal, no?

Booj

06-24-2006, 11:43 AM

Well, first of all, let me say I like this trade from Florida perspective. Auld+Bertuzzi+Allen > Luongo for a team trying to make the playoffs.

Second of all, I've been rolling on the floor laughing since I heard about Theo and Paris Hilton... ahh, suddenly Aebischer + the cap room looks like a steal.

Now, lots of rumblings coming out of Montreal... they want Brassard badly (so do I, after seeing what he did with Latendresse, another Habs pick), and have been trying to trade up since they got to Vancouver, and I'm willing to suggest that if they don't get Brassard, they will trade down and stockpile draft picks.

Word is they are close to a deal with Huet which means they won't be going after one of the many goalies available from their teams.

I see Zednik, Ribeiro and the 16th pick being offered to several teams to move up into the top-10.

Let me also state that Pronger will be a very good fit in Montreal...

RPI-Fan

06-24-2006, 12:03 PM

Isles have a very good chance of picking Michael Frolik today. I'd love that pick -- he's not a "project" and could contribute in a year or two.

chrisj

06-24-2006, 12:08 PM

Unfortunately, that's what I've been reading. Apparently she spent most of the season in St. Louis, came up to Edmonton only twice, and has no intention of living there.

That's pretty much the case.

http://www.edmontonsun.ca/Sports/Oilers/2006/06/24/1650808-sun.html

I suspect though that the Oilers won't trade him without getting a stellar deal in return.

bbor

06-24-2006, 12:24 PM

No draft day thread?

If i am Vancouver i do the Luongo trade everyday and twice on Sundays.Luongo ia F'N stud.Bertuzzi needs a change of scenery,but losing him does'nt hurt the Nucks much.The rest of the deal is all window dressing.Luongo is the man.

bronconick

06-24-2006, 12:45 PM

Depends on if either guy re-signs with their team. Both Bertuzzi and Luongo are in final contract years.

bbor

06-24-2006, 12:58 PM

I bet the deal did'nt get done without new deals being in place.

Wolfpack

06-24-2006, 01:16 PM

Yeah, me too. A good deal for Brindy, but it might hurt a little when the Canes are paying a 40 year old center $3 million. Wings fans know better than anyone just how good 40 year old plus hockey players can play (e.g., Chelios, Yzerman, Larionov), but there is a bit of slippage in their game around that time.

I somewhat concur with these statements. Brindy was due $5+ million in the upcoming year, so this was obviously a cap-saving move by Carolina and Brind'Amour has definitely bonded with the area (has been seen at pressers with an NC State hat on, for example), so he seemed be willing to forgoe a little extra money next year for a certainty that he'll have his future years secured and that he'll most likely retire a Hurricane. It does remain to be seen, though, whether he can continue his high level of play. At least he was willing enough to take lesser money towards the end of the deal so the cap cost won't be as pronounced. Not often you see contracts diminish in value with time. Usually it's the other way around.

I've also seen scuttlebutt that Rutherford and Laviolette are getting close on a new contract that may get finalized by next week, so we may yet be able to keep him in the fold.

Maple Leafs

06-24-2006, 01:41 PM

Honolulu_Blue

06-24-2006, 01:58 PM

I explained the Pronger and McCabe situations to Mrs. Leafs today, and she just about had kittens. She can not understand why these guys making $6M a year have to switch teams because of where their wives want to live. She was asking why their wives couldn't just buy a second home and go live where they want when the players are on the road. I couldn't really come up with a good answer.

Mrs. Leafs raises a good point. Look at the Samsonovs. Sergei's been in Boston/Edmonton for years now and his family (wife and kids) has lived in Detroit ever since he was a member of the Vipers. Given the nature of the profession, I reckon there are a number of families in that kind of situation.

MrBug708

06-24-2006, 02:19 PM

Baseball players almost always have a house in Arizona, SoCal, or Florida it seems

riz

06-24-2006, 02:33 PM

I explained the Pronger and McCabe situations to Mrs. Leafs today, and she just about had kittens. She can not understand why these guys making $6M a year have to switch teams because of where their wives want to live. She was asking why their wives couldn't just buy a second home and go live where they want when the players are on the road. I couldn't really come up with a good answer.

Maybe Mrs. Pronger has a nice job in St.Louis and does not want to give up her career in order to move to Edmonton ? I bet it is a lot easier for Mr. Pronger to find another job, right ? :rolleyes:

Honolulu_Blue

06-24-2006, 02:35 PM

http://www.tsn.ca/tools/print_story.asp?id=169602

VANCOUVER (CP) - Goaltender Roberto Luongo says the trade that sent him to the NHL Vancouver Canucks came as surprise since he believed he had a long-term deal worked out with the Florida Panthers.

''I'm really sad because I didn't think this was going to happen,'' Luongo said Saturday in a telephone conference call.

''We made great strides yesterday. I thought we were going to get something long term. I was surprised this whole deal went down.''

The Canucks acquired Luongo, 27, from the Florida Panthers Friday night in a blockbuster trade. Vancouver sent forward Todd Bertuzzi, defenceman Bryan Allen and goaltender Alex Auld to Florida in exchange for Luongo, defenceman Lukas Krajicek and a sixth-round pick.

Luongo said he had reached a tentative four-year deal with the Panthers - he wouldn't say for how much money - hinged on three conditions.

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''They did not want to meet my three expectations which I thought were not that big a deal,'' he said.

Luongo has married a woman from Florida and recently purchased a new home. He said he would rather stay in Florida but is looking forward to playing in Vancouver.

''I think I'm excited because Vancouver is a great hockey city and they have a great team,'' he said. ''I'm really looking forward to the opportunity of making a run at the Stanley Cup, something I never had a chance to do in my prior seasons in Florida.''

The Canucks still must sign Luongo to a contract. The Montreal native earned $3.2 million US last season. He rejected two offers in Florida, one a five-year, $30-million US offer and another for $25 million US over four years.

Luongo is a restricted free agent and could become an unrestricted free agent next year if Vancouver general manager Dave Nonis can't sign him to a long-term deal.

Luongo said its too early to say if he can reach a long-term deal in Vancouver.

''Everything is kind of fresh right now,'' he said.

''I'm still really under shock. It's something I think with time we need to sit down and make a decision. Right now it's really pointless to do that. There's a lot of emotions right now in the situation.''

The Canucks already have goaltender Dan Cloutier under contract for next season at $2.5 million. Cloutier missed most of last season with torn knee ligaments.

--------------------------------

Hrmm... There's something odd about Luongo. He's always making these bizarre public statements. Obviously you have to consider the Keenan-factor in all of this, but I can't help by feel Luongo is just a bit... off. I mean, what was with those conditions? The public no trade statement. Sure. Keeping the goalie coach? Ok. But demanding Jamie McLennan as his backup?

Well, so long as he stops the puck going into the net things will be fine. It seemed to work for Hasek for a great many years.

JonInMiddleGA

06-24-2006, 02:36 PM

... just buy a second home and go live where they want when the players are on the road.

Hell, maintaining one home is a pain in the ass to me, two homes + travel between them (a distance like Edmonton & StL for example) sounds like a nightmare so I can't really say I'd blame anybody for not taking that option.

mooreadamc

06-24-2006, 02:41 PM

Hrmm... There's something odd about Luongo. He's always making these bizarre public statements. Obviously you have to consider the Keenan-factor in all of this, but I can't help by feel Luongo is just a bit... off. I mean, what was with those conditions? The public no trade statement. Sure. Keeping the goalie coach? Ok. But demanding Jamie McLennan as his backup?

Well, so long as he stops the puck going into the net things will be fine. It seemed to work for Hasek for a great many years.

I think I heard last night that Luongo just married a girl from the Miami area and that is why he wanted to sign long-term. I wonder now if he'll want to stay in Vancouver.

Honolulu_Blue

06-24-2006, 02:49 PM

I think I heard last night that Luongo just married a girl from the Miami area and that is why he wanted to sign long-term. I wonder now if he'll want to stay in Vancouver.

Based on current trends whether he wants to stay in Vancouver could well be quite irrelevant. If Mrs. Luongo gets on the phone with Mrs. Pronger and Mrs. McCabe, I reckon the Luongos stay in the Great White North might be very brief indeed. . .

Maple Leafs

06-24-2006, 03:21 PM

I'm not sure what's dumber, hockey players' wives thinking they should get to choose where their husbands play, or goalies thinking they should get to choose who their backup is.

klayman

06-24-2006, 03:43 PM

Owners are now pushing for a new clause in the CBA; Players are not allowed to be married until after their NHL career is over.

Joe Canadian

06-24-2006, 03:59 PM

Some things I've read:

More updates:

> Pronger's agent has confirmed his trade request... more than likely the family reasons are his wife who apparently doesn't like Edmonton, and has been living in St. Louis most of the season.

> When a star player goes on the block, or asks for a trade... one team is always said to be interested, even if they are not. So apparently the Leafs want Pronger, and are said to be looking at Kaberle as the major bait to wiggle in front of Edmonton for him.

> The Hurricanes have re-signed Peter Laviolette to a 5 year extension.

> Wade Redden is said to be very close to re-signing with the Sens, and the Sens are still trying very hard to (a) re-sign Chara, and (b) trade Havlet.

> Cristobal Huet and the Habs are close to signing a long term deal.

> The Kings are looking to try and grab either Ottawa Senators winger Martin Havlat or Maxim Afinogenov of Buffalo.

> The Capitals want to trade the fourth overall pick for a playmaking centre to compliment Ovechkin.

> Tampa Bay wants to trade Fredrik Modin and Ruslan Fedotenko. They want a starting goalie, so one of the following are likely in their sights... Marc Denis, Evgeni Nabokov, Jean-Sebastien Giguere or Martin Biron.

> Mike Keenan, who loves Pronger, might want to give up Boumeester or Weis to land the big D-Man.

Maple Leafs

06-24-2006, 04:10 PM

> When a star player goes on the block, or asks for a trade... one team is always said to be interested, even if they are not. So apparently the Leafs want Pronger, and are said to be looking at Kaberle as the major bait to wiggle in front of Edmonton for him.
True... the Leafs will always show up in these rumors. And typically, the rumors overlook the fact that they have nothing to offer. Kaberle alone won't get it done. Who else do you offer? How exactly does Toronto make the best offer of any team in the NHL here?

If he was a FA I could see it, but not when there's a trade required.

DeToxRox

06-24-2006, 04:12 PM

As a Hockey fan in general

I'd trade Datsyuk to the Caps for #4 plus a future 1st.

Datsyuk/Ovechkin would be dynamite to watch, and the Wings can get their hands on (potentially) a guy like Toews who is what this organization sorely needs.

We have a decent group of prospects but we're going to be stuck in mud if we don't make any changes. Dats is great but I'm still not a big fan of his, and Z's the future. The time will come where we have to lose one or the other, and Dats will lose that fight 10 out of 10 times.

Joe Canadian

06-24-2006, 04:17 PM

True... the Leafs will always show up in these rumors. And typically, the rumors overlook the fact that they have nothing to offer. Kaberle alone won't get it done. Who else do you offer? How exactly does Toronto make the best offer of any team in the NHL here?

If he was a FA I could see it, but not when there's a trade required.

I think the best deal for the Oilers is one getting Jay Boumeester...

Joe Canadian

06-24-2006, 04:18 PM

Regarding the draft... a have no idea why anyone wants to pick Erik Johnson first overall. He's like Scot Stevens, that cool and all, but I'd rather pick up a Staal or Kessell instead...

DeToxRox

06-24-2006, 04:22 PM

Regarding the draft... a have no idea why anyone wants to pick Erik Johnson first overall. He's like Scot Stevens, that cool and all, but I'd rather pick up a Staal or Kessell instead...

Considering all the comparisons to Pronger and how integral he was (and even Stevens for that matter with NJ) to their Cup run, it's a big reason hes #1.

A top defensemen is still huge in this NHL.

Joe Canadian

06-24-2006, 04:38 PM

Another trade:

The Atlanta Thrashers have traded former top pick Patrik Stefan and Jaroslav Modry to Dallas for Niko Kapanen and a 7th round pick.

General Mike

06-24-2006, 04:40 PM

Regarding the draft... a have no idea why anyone wants to pick Erik Johnson first overall. He's like Scot Stevens, that cool and all, but I'd rather pick up a Staal or Kessell instead...

I agree. I don't really follow junior hockey that much so I don't know who's good and who's not, but I'd rather have a franchise forward than a franchise defensemen.

RPI-Fan

06-24-2006, 04:42 PM

Stevens was rather one-dimensional. Johnson gets up and down the ice way better now than Stevens ever did.

Joe Canadian

06-24-2006, 04:44 PM

Stevens was rather one-dimensional. Johnson gets up and down the ice way better now than Stevens ever did.

Yeah, that was more my point. I'd take a two-dimensonal stud D-man first overall... but I wouldn't take Stevens first overall. But if what you're saying is true, then I understand the Blues picking him more now than I did.

Joe Canadian

06-24-2006, 04:45 PM

15 mins. till draft coverage starts on TSN!!!

Joe Canadian

06-24-2006, 05:03 PM

Burke is talking to Lowe... this probably means nothing...

Joe Canadian

06-24-2006, 05:06 PM

Is anyone else amazed that Nonis pulled the trigger on the Bert/Luongo deal, without any talks with Luongo prior to the trade?

Pyser

06-24-2006, 05:14 PM

Stevens was rather one-dimensional. Johnson gets up and down the ice way better now than Stevens ever did.

Scott Stevens recorded over 45 pts 10 times in his career.

He was not one-dimensional at all.

Furthermore, he was one of the best leaders of the last 20 years.

If Johnson even APPROACHES Stevens in any way, he'll be hugely succesful.

JonInMiddleGA

06-24-2006, 05:14 PM

This is on OLN, btw, in case anybody wondered.

(And of course I don't get to watch, I have to go order kitchen cabinets instead :( )

Joe Canadian

06-24-2006, 05:16 PM

Scott Stevens recorded over 45 pts 10 times in his career.

He was not one-dimensional at all.

Furthermore, he was one of the best leaders of the last 20 years.

If Johnson even APPROACHES Stevens in any way, he'll be hugely succesful.

No one said he wouldn't be sucessfull...

RPI-Fan

06-24-2006, 05:18 PM

Joe Canadian

06-24-2006, 05:21 PM

EJ goes first...

JonInMiddleGA

06-24-2006, 05:22 PM

albionmoonlight

06-24-2006, 05:22 PM

They don't take the draft as seriously in the NHL do they?

I kind of like it. They are picking young athletes; not trying to make world peace.

Joe Canadian

06-24-2006, 05:23 PM

Tanguay to Calgary!!!

Joe Canadian

06-24-2006, 05:23 PM

And where does Stefan rank in the list of all-time #1 overall busts?

He's not first on that list. :)

Joe Canadian

06-24-2006, 05:26 PM

Calgary gets Alex Tanguay from the Colorado Avalanche in exchange for defenceman Jordan Leopold, a 2006 second round pick, and a conditional second rounder in 2007 or 2008. Details to follow...

RPI-Fan

06-24-2006, 05:26 PM

Newsticker says Thrashers traded Stefan & Modry to Dallas for Niko Kapanen & a 7th rounder.

Anybody got a link for current salaries? (I'm thinking this might have been a move to save a few cap dollars in Atlanta)

And where does Stefan rank in the list of all-time #1 overall busts?

He's in a group with DiPietro, Chris Phillips, and Alexandre Daigle in the past 20 years or so.

I was surprised that there has not been a true bust for a #1 overall in decades.

Logan

06-24-2006, 05:26 PM

Professional lesson #1 for Erik Johnson: It isn't necessary to stare into the camera as you answer interview questions. Kinda freaked out over here.

Joe Canadian

06-24-2006, 05:27 PM

Professional lesson #1 for Erik Johnson: It isn't necessary to stare into the camera as you answer interview questions. Kinda freaked out over here.

LOL... are you guys getting TSN's coverage?

Joe Canadian

06-24-2006, 05:28 PM

Staal picked by the Penguins...

Logan

06-24-2006, 05:28 PM

LOL... are you guys getting TSN's coverage?

Yep, on OLN.

Logan

06-24-2006, 05:29 PM

Staal picked by the Penguins...

There's gonna be serious talent up front on that team.

Joe Canadian

06-24-2006, 05:29 PM

Crosby, Malkin, and Staal up the middle... WOW!

RPI-Fan

06-24-2006, 05:30 PM

Crosby, Malkin, and Staal up the middle... WOW!

Isn't Staal a winger???

Joe Canadian

06-24-2006, 05:31 PM

He's listed by TSN & the NHL's CSS as a centreman...

Joe Canadian

06-24-2006, 05:34 PM

Johnathan Toews C/W from University of North Dakota goes 3rd to the Hawks...

RPI-Fan

06-24-2006, 05:37 PM

He's listed by TSN & the NHL's CSS as a centreman...

Oh, cool. I imagine they'll move him to the wing given his size and style of play. No point having 3 superstar centreman and scrubs on the wings.

Joe Canadian

06-24-2006, 05:39 PM

C Nick Backstrom from Sweeden picked by the Caps...

RPI-Fan

06-24-2006, 05:39 PM

I love that the Caps are having Ovechkin make the pick!!

RPI-Fan

06-24-2006, 05:40 PM

Ok, so Isles have a good chance at getting Kessel or Frolik!!!!!!!!!!!!

Joe Canadian

06-24-2006, 05:40 PM

Oh, cool. I imagine they'll move him to the wing given his size and style of play. No point having 3 superstar centreman and scrubs on the wings.

Yeah, once they all hit their stride it wouldn't make much sence to have one of them on the third line... I suspect he's the most likely canidate to move to the wing.

Joe Canadian

06-24-2006, 05:41 PM

Ok, so Isles have a good chance at getting Kessel or Frolik!!!!!!!!!!!!

I can't see the Bruins passing up Kessel... they had their eye on Toews because they thought Kessel would be gone.

RPI-Fan

06-24-2006, 05:42 PM

I like that Ovechkin actually has some personality. Seems like a lot of the kids these days are cyborgs.

Joe Canadian

06-24-2006, 05:44 PM

This is so yuk...

http://www.anaheimducks.com/images/main_header.jpg

Honolulu_Blue

06-24-2006, 05:44 PM

Joe Canadian

06-24-2006, 05:44 PM

Bruins pick Kessel...

RPI-Fan

06-24-2006, 05:45 PM

Please let Frolik drop to 7!!!!!!!!!1

RPI-Fan

06-24-2006, 05:46 PM

I don't like the Tanguay trade for the Avs. I just don't think Leopold is the guy. This could be like Derek Morris Redux for the Avs. Tanguay will look great playing with Iginla.

I too love that Ovechkin made the pick for Washington. He seems like a really good guy. It's great that he's so into the franchise and eager to be the face of the team. Well done.

I liked the interview with Alex & Swede. When Blondie was sounding really flustered and mumbling about maybe not being in the NHL next year, Ovechkin confidently stepped up and said "He's definitely good enough to play in the NHL next year and we will have a lot of fun playing together".

RPI-Fan

06-24-2006, 05:48 PM

I thought that they were exagerrating Kessel being a bad interview, but man, he's worse than the European guys that can't speak English!

Joe Canadian

06-24-2006, 05:48 PM

Please let Frolik drop to 7!!!!!!!!!1

TSN has him dropping to 10th...

Joe Canadian

06-24-2006, 05:49 PM

Derick Brassard goes to the Blue Jackets for the 6th pick...

RPI-Fan

06-24-2006, 05:49 PM

Ok go get Frolik you motherfuckers!!!

RPI-Fan

06-24-2006, 05:50 PM

Man I'm already psyched up to order and watch NHL Centre Ice next season!!!

Joe Canadian

06-24-2006, 05:52 PM

Ok go get Frolik you motherfuckers!!!

I think he'll drop futher...

and... OMG this is ugly...

http://www.anaheimducks.com/images/200606/1318.f.jpg

RPI-Fan

06-24-2006, 05:55 PM

Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Joe Canadian

06-24-2006, 05:55 PM

... and the Islanders pick... Kyle Okposo (RW).

sovereignstar

06-24-2006, 05:56 PM

and... OMG this is ugly...

Did you like completely skip Page 2?

Joe Canadian

06-24-2006, 05:56 PM

Frolik will go to the Wild, I think.

Joe Canadian

06-24-2006, 05:57 PM

Did you like completely skip Page 2?

Apparently, yes I did. :)

sovereignstar

06-24-2006, 05:58 PM

3 Gophers in the Top 7. I love it!

Draft Dodger

06-24-2006, 06:00 PM

Stevens was rather one-dimensional. Johnson gets up and down the ice way better now than Stevens ever did.

how quickly they forget.

Stevens put up great offensive numbers early in his career. during a 10-year period in his prime, he averaged 65 points a season. even though his offensive output declined later on, his career average is a very respectable 45 points. 45 points would put him in the top 25 blueliners last year in the "new" NHL.

Joe Canadian

06-24-2006, 06:01 PM

Mueller goes to the Yotes...

RPI-Fan

06-24-2006, 06:02 PM

how quickly they forget.

Stevens put up great offensive numbers early in his career. during a 10-year period in his prime, he averaged 65 points a season. even though his offensive output declined later on, his career average is a very respectable 45 points. 45 points would put him in the top 25 blueliners last year in the "new" NHL.

As I said, he played in Jersey.

Game, set, match: RPI-Fan

Draft Dodger

06-24-2006, 06:05 PM

Yep, on OLN.

so, I read this and I decide to flip over.

very first thing I see is a graphic about Coyote first round busts. The title?

"Dry in the dessert".

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

RPI-Fan

06-24-2006, 06:07 PM

so, I read this and I decide to flip over.

very first thing I see is a graphic about Coyote first round busts. The title?

"Dry in the dessert".

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Hey, easy man, I hear that Wayne has been very upset with the quality of ice cream sundaes down there.

sachmo71

06-24-2006, 06:09 PM

Another trade:

The Atlanta Thrashers have traded former top pick Patrik Stefan and Jaroslav Modry to Dallas for Niko Kapanen and a 7th round pick.

:(

Bye bye, Arnott.

chrisj

06-24-2006, 06:24 PM

Maybe Mrs. Pronger has a nice job in St.Louis and does not want to give up her career in order to move to Edmonton ? I bet it is a lot easier for Mr. Pronger to find another job, right ? :rolleyes:

Does Mrs. Pronger even work when her husband makes $6 million dollars?

And given the Alberta economy, I can assure you she could find a job in about an hour.

Draft Dodger

06-24-2006, 06:36 PM

:(

Bye bye, Arnott.

and bye bye Alex Tanguay.

I am really, really bummed. I saw the ticker, and from my reaction my wife thought someone had died. it's not manly to get teary-eyed about a trade, but I'm pretty broken up over this one.

riz

06-24-2006, 06:40 PM

Does Mrs. Pronger even work when her husband makes $6 million dollars?

And given the Alberta economy, I can assure you she could find a job in about an hour.

Had a service check on your sarcasm detector lately ? :)

Interesting draft so far....come on you Rangers, let's see some action.

chrisj

06-24-2006, 06:46 PM

Had a service check on your sarcasm detector lately ? :)

Heh. :)

Sorry, I didn't detect the sarcasm there.

sovereignstar

06-24-2006, 06:49 PM

Okay, a trade must've happened with the Wild/Kings. Anyone know what it is?

riz

06-24-2006, 06:50 PM

Demitra to Wild for that 17th pick and O'Sullivan.

And Kings pick Trevor Lewis with that 17th overall pick.

sovereignstar

06-24-2006, 06:52 PM

Sign Gaborik, bitches.

Maple Leafs

06-24-2006, 07:03 PM

With the 13th overall pick, the Maple Leafs take... Jughead Jones, Riverdale High School.

http://www.tsn.ca/images/stories/20060616/draft_tlusty_49081.jpg

Logan

06-24-2006, 07:09 PM

With the 13th overall pick, the Maple Leafs take... Jughead Jones, Riverdale High School.

http://www.tsn.ca/images/stories/20060616/draft_tlusty_49081.jpg

Chad Pennington?

sovereignstar

06-24-2006, 07:11 PM

Montreal must be ran by a bunch of idiots, right?

mooreadamc

06-24-2006, 07:18 PM

mooreadamc

06-24-2006, 07:18 PM

Wow Raycroft to Leafs

Draft Dodger

06-24-2006, 07:33 PM

Avs had to do something - Blake, Skraskins and Clark are all unrestricted free agents, and the Avs are somewhat loaded at wing. I just thought it might be Hejduk or perhaps Svatos moved, not Tanguay.

I REALLY like Tanguay. Besides Sakic, he was my 2nd favorite Av by a pretty wide margin. It hurts.

I have a very hard time picturing him doing as well in Sutter's system. This reminds me a lot of Drury for Morris - talented forward for a promising young defenseman. Drury didn't do what they thought he would do in Calgary and was gone after a year, and Morris lasted just a bit longer before being traded for (ugh) Ossi Vaananen

Joe Canadian

06-24-2006, 07:34 PM

Demitra to Wild for that 17th pick and O'Sullivan.

The only way I like this trade is if the Wild were having serious trouble signing Gaborik, and needed this to convince him to sign with them.

Karim

06-24-2006, 08:11 PM

:D :D :D :D :D

In Sutter We Trust.

DaddyTorgo

06-24-2006, 08:50 PM

Phil Kessel falls to the B's @ #7...outstanding. He tore it up for me in EHM

RPI-Fan

06-24-2006, 08:52 PM

Phil Kessel falls to the B's @ #7...outstanding. He tore it up for me in EHM

#5 -- Isles took Okposo @ #7.

DeToxRox

06-24-2006, 08:56 PM

Big fan of the Wings getting some extra picks all the while getting Emmerton. He's a guy I wanted in the first, but to get him where we did while getting picks is a coup. Good offensive prospect.

DaddyTorgo

06-24-2006, 08:57 PM

#5 -- Isles took Okposo @ #7.

5...that's what i meant. confusing my worthless boston teams draft picks (C's have 7)

DeToxRox

06-24-2006, 09:00 PM

3 Gophers in the Top 7. I love it!

I think only Oskopo will be in a Gophers uni next year.

sovereignstar

06-24-2006, 09:06 PM

I think only Oskopo will be in a Gophers uni next year.

Johnson will play for a year. I can feel it in my loins.

DeToxRox

06-24-2006, 09:11 PM

Johnson will play for a year. I can feel it in my loins.

Ha, I hope so, but I don't see it. Blues have no one on D, new ownership taking over and they need to make a splash. People are going to want to see this kid play, and I think the pressure may cause both sides to cave.

St. Louis isn't used to being a loser (In the regular season anyway) so they're not going to stand pat for multiple years of dispair, even if it's inevitable.

sovereignstar

06-24-2006, 09:27 PM

Ha, I hope so, but I don't see it. Blues have no one on D, new ownership taking over and they need to make a splash. People are going to want to see this kid play, and I think the pressure may cause both sides to cave.

St. Louis isn't used to being a loser (In the regular season anyway) so they're not going to stand pat for multiple years of dispair, even if it's inevitable.

So you think he'd start up in St. Louis? That would be stupid. Just because he has the size doesn't mean he's anywhere near being ready for the NHL.

DeToxRox

06-24-2006, 09:33 PM

So you think he'd start up in St. Louis? That would be stupid. Just because he has the size doesn't mean he's anywhere near being ready for the NHL.

If he gets signed, I highly doubt he'd go to the A.

He has size but he has the smarts to play. He can do it all. Now the ideal situation is bring him along like Phaneuf, but the Blues don't have that option I don't think.

You never really know though.

I love college hockey so I want to see the powerhouse that the Gophers could be.

Just don't know if it's possible.

But it all depends on EJ. Jack Johnson loves college, doesn't want to leave Michigan. EJ might want to play with his friends there then go to the losing of St. Louis.

Pyser

06-24-2006, 09:36 PM

Yea', but he played in Jersey.

You are my new enemy.

bronconick

06-24-2006, 09:39 PM

If he gets signed, I highly doubt he'd go to the A.

.

If he's signed, he pretty much has to play in the NHL, since he's too young (under 20) for the AHL.

http://boss.streamos.com/wmedia-live/nhl/11632/300_nhl-2006_draft_060623.asx

Online feed if you like watching later round discussions which seem to go exactly like the NFL draft (talk about 1st round picks, occasionally mention new picks)

DeToxRox

06-24-2006, 09:41 PM

If he's signed, he pretty much has to play in the NHL, since he's too young (under 20) for the AHL.

http://boss.streamos.com/wmedia-live/nhl/11632/300_nhl-2006_draft_060623.asx

Online feed if you like watching later round discussions which seem to go exactly like the NFL draft (talk about 1st round picks, occasionally mention new picks)

Good call. I totally forgot about the age limit in the AHL. Yeah he has nowhere to go but Minnesota or St. Louis.

mckerney

06-24-2006, 09:50 PM

Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

You will not be disappointed with Oskopo.

sovereignstar

06-24-2006, 09:55 PM

You will not be disappointed with Oskopo.

What about Okposo? ;)

JonInMiddleGA

06-24-2006, 10:00 PM

DeToxRox

06-24-2006, 10:02 PM

So I get back from dinner (and kitchen cabinet Hell at Lowe's), checked to see what Atlanta got ... and lo & behold to my great surprise the guy I was hoping for dropped to us. For the middle of the round I think Bryan Little was a good choice.

Amazing choice. I'd say he's the best playmaker in the draft. He with Ilya could be something very special.

JonInMiddleGA

06-24-2006, 10:06 PM

Amazing choice. I'd say he's the best playmaker in the draft. He with Ilya could be something very special.

And assuming we don't find a way to re-sign Savard (which I've already pretty much abandoned hope of), he may get a chance to play a lot VERY quickly.

bbor

06-24-2006, 10:56 PM

Raycroft deal for the Leafs is ridiculis.Obviously Ferguson is trying to get his contract extended.

General Mike

06-24-2006, 10:58 PM

Big fan of the Wings getting some extra picks all the while getting Emmerton. He's a guy I wanted in the first, but to get him where we did while getting picks is a coup. Good offensive prospect.

I know its just EHM and doesn't mean anything, but Emmerton has been pretty good for me. It's probably more about his linemates tho.

sachmo71

06-24-2006, 11:18 PM

JonInMiddleGA

06-24-2006, 11:36 PM

I missed it...what was the Tanguay trade?

VANCOUVER (CP) - The Colorado Avalanche have traded Alex Tanguay to the Calgary Flames in exchange for defenceman Jordan Leopold and a second-round pick in Saturday's NHL draft.

The Flames also get a conditional second-round pick in either the 2007 or 2008 entry draft.

bronconick

06-24-2006, 11:46 PM

Sharks did the "package pick with later pick to move up a few spots to grab a guy some experts think would still be available at their first spot" again, getting Ty Wishart at 16 for their 20th and 57th? 52nd? and packaging a couple late picks to move up to 36th for Jamie McGinn and 98th for James Delory.

Of course, since guys they've done this to get have included Carle, Bernier, Michalek and Setoguchi, I can't complain *too* much.

Pyser

06-25-2006, 12:05 AM

where can you see all the draft trades? not so much players, but picks for picks?

i think the devils moved around a bit besides moving down in the first, but i cant find any info.

JonInMiddleGA

06-25-2006, 12:11 AM

where can you see all the draft trades? not so much players, but picks for picks?

i think the devils moved around a bit besides moving down in the first, but i cant find any info.

All I've seen is the list at
http://www.nhl.com/news/2006/06/275750.html

which includes:
-- St. Louis acquired the No. 25 pick (F Patrik Berglund) from New Jersey for the 30th pick (D Matthew Corrente).

Cards4ever

06-25-2006, 01:30 AM

You will not be disappointed with Oskopo.

So, you've seen him play a lot?

Cards4ever

06-25-2006, 01:32 AM

Dola,

Unless STL insists on him playing in the NHL, he will play one year at Minnesota. Same deal with Kessel, he is expected to play one more year with the Gophers.

Honolulu_Blue

06-25-2006, 01:36 AM

and bye bye Alex Tanguay.

I am really, really bummed. I saw the ticker, and from my reaction my wife thought someone had died. it's not manly to get teary-eyed about a trade, but I'm pretty broken up over this one.

It's ok, DD. I know how you feel. I got teary-eyed back when the Wings shipped Petr Klima, Adam Graves, and Joe Murphy to the Oilers for Jimmy Carson and Kevin McClelland. Though I was just 13 at the time, I still know your pain.

Draft Dodger

06-25-2006, 07:55 AM

It's ok, DD. I know how you feel. I got teary-eyed back when the Wings shipped Petr Klima, Adam Graves, and Joe Murphy to the Oilers for Jimmy Carson and Kevin McClelland. Though I was just 13 at the time, I still know your pain.

but I'm not 13, I'm 35, far too old to be getting to the verge of tears on losing a player. :D