Cards win! Cards win! Cards win!

[WSUCougar]

Sorry. It's been awhile.

[Fonzie]

Indeed it has. Too bad the win wasn't a bit more straightforward (I'm looking at you, Mr. Bullpen), but I'll take it.

I wonder how many World Series champions have had eight (or more) game losing streaks?

[WSUCougar]

In the bullpen's defense, some of those hits were bogus, and of course the Taguchi play was hideous.

[Honolulu_Blue]

So I take it that means inter-league play is over?

[WSUCougar]

So I take it that means inter-league play is over?
:mad:

We have one more series upcoming with the Royals.

[JeeberD]

At least someone in the NL Central won...

[hoopsguy]

Yet another reason to hate the Cardinals - getting to play the sad-sack Royals for their "rivalry" games every year :rolleyes:

[MizzouRah]

Yet another reason to hate the Cardinals - getting to play the sad-sack Royals for their "rivalry" games every year :rolleyes:

Yeah, after just playing the Whitesox, Tigers, and Indians. :rolleyes:

[hoopsguy]

Mizzou, I'm pretty sure the other teams in the NL Central have to play the same schedule except for not getting extra helpings of the weaksauce KC club.

[MikeVic]

Yeah, after just playing the Whitesox, Tigers, and Indians. :rolleyes:

Oh my!

[Ryche]

A win or two off of Chicago or Detroit would have been helpful. Thanks for nothing :)

Signed, Twins Fans

[WSUCougar]

A win or two off of Chicago or Detroit would have been helpful. Thanks for nothing :)

Signed, Twins Fans
You're welcome.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/25/World_Series_Logo_1987.png/200px-World_Series_Logo_1987.png

Signed,

Cards Fans

[Ryche]

LOL

[MizzouRah]

Oh my!

Oh me o my...

[Cards4ever]

Hey Cub fans, why don't you worry about your own mess before you start worrying about the schedule.

The Cards bullpen has allowed too many inherited runners to score, I'm just hoping that we are the hot team in October this year instead of in June and July like the past 2 seasons.

[primelord]

Yet another reason to hate the Cardinals - getting to play the sad-sack Royals for their "rivalry" games every year :rolleyes:

Yeah the rest of the National league is probably pissed that we get to play the sad-sack Cubs as our real rivalry game so many times a year as well!

[sterlingice]

(woo!)

SI

[Fonzie]

oof

[MizzouRah]

ugh

[primelord]

They are absolutely awful right now. Two nights in a row now they have the winning run on 3rd with less than two outs in the 9th and can't get the damn run home. That is absolutely ridiculous.

[kcchief19]

The Royals will make their season if they can whip out the brooms today. Beautiful.

Who would have thought the only thing Mark Teahen needed to look like a big league power hitter was a nice helping of Cardinals pitching?

[MizzouRah]

no Primelord.. LaRussa has been awful.

[primelord]

no Primelord.. LaRussa has been awful.

Well you can blame LaRussa if you want (and the squeeze play was a bad call), but the fact remains we only needed a fly ball from Taguchi, Miles, or Eckstein and none of them could do it. LaRussa also didn't make Rodriguez look at three straight strikes in the 11th without offering a swing or for Luna to strike out looking on the exact same pitch that sat Rodriguez down the at bat before.

Not to mention LaRussa didn't give up 6 runs in the first 3 innings.

[MizzouRah]

Well you can blame LaRussa if you want (and the squeeze play was a bad call), but the fact remains we only needed a fly ball from Taguchi, Miles, or Eckstein and none of them could do it. LaRussa also didn't make Rodriguez look at three straight strikes in the 11th without offering a swing or for Luna to strike out looking on the exact same pitch that sat Rodriguez down the at bat before.

Not to mention LaRussa didn't give up 6 runs in the first 3 innings.

Considering I went to the Cleveland game on Tuesday, he lets Reyes bat in the 5th and then immediately takes him out for a relief pitcher in the next inning..wtf?

Why didn't he let Edmonds bat earlier with men on base then he did last night? A squeeze on 2 strikes? Letting players like Gall and Duncan rot in the minors while having the bench he has now.

It's not all his fault, but I'm growing tired of his managing style and ego.

[primelord]

Why didn't he let Edmonds bat earlier with men on base then he did last night?
Because Edmonds is crap? When would you have preferred he hit? I guess he could have hit for Encarnacion in the 7th with Albert and Rolen on and two outs, but then again Edmonds is hitting a whopping .233 with runners in scoring position and two outs. While Encarnacion is hitting .308 in those situations.

A squeeze on 2 strikes?

I agree that call was not a good one, but again they had AMPLE opportunity to win the game before that play. Eckstein's squeeze against the Cubs last year was with two outs as well. Everyone loved the call when Eckstein got it down in play. It was a gamble and it failed, but let's review the situation. Eckstein was 0 for 5 in the game and had just swung at strike 3 that was way over his head. He got lucky to get a slight piece and have it pop out of the ctahcers glove. I am not certain I would have faith he was going to get the ball in the air either and a double ends the inning. I don't agree with the call, but I can see why he made it.

Letting players like Gall and Duncan rot in the minors while having the bench he has now.
Are we talking about the John Gall who only has 4 HRs and 29 RBIs in 70 games at AAA? Not to mention 8 errors in the OF. His .284 avg is ok, but it is AAA. Hell Timo Perez hit more home runs in half as many at bats at Memphis. As for Chris Duncan it makes no sense for him to be up here now. He looks like he has some potential, but he is still very undisciplined at the plate and sitting on the bench every day and just getting pinch hit duty is not going to fix that. He needs to get his 4 or 5 at bats every day if he is going to develop.

It's not all his fault, but I'm growing tired of his managing style and ego.
He certainly makes some questionable calls here and there. He always has. However we are coming off back to back 100 win seasons. We have made the playoffs 6 out of the 10 years he has been here including a trip to the world series. I think I am going to go ahead and give him the benefit of the doubt. To be honest I though pinch running for Molina was the worst call he made that inning.

[MizzouRah]

All points can be argued. BUT he is the WORST manager in 1 run games and honestly he hasn't managed a Marlins or Royals team has he?

[primelord]

All points can be argued. BUT he is the WORST manager in 1 run games and honestly he hasn't managed a Marlins or Royals team has he?

Todd you are killing me here man. You are talking like all these guys that call into KFNS and drive me nuts. Here are the facts. In the 10 years LaRussa has been here we are 169 games over .500. We have 6 trips to the playoffs and 5 division crowns. In the 10 years before LaRussa got here we were 2 games UNDER .500 with 1 division crown and 1 trip to the playoffs. He has the 3rd most wins of any manager in history.

Yeah he has had some good teams to manage, but all I know is that in the decade before he got here we were generally awful. In the decade since he has been here we are generally a contender. I am happy with that.

[WSUCougar]

We're trying really hard to lose another one, but...

[MizzouRah]

Todd you are killing me here man. You are talking like all these guys that call into KFNS and drive me nuts. Here are the facts. In the 10 years LaRussa has been here we are 169 games over .500. We have 6 trips to the playoffs and 5 division crowns. In the 10 years before LaRussa got here we were 2 games UNDER .500 with 1 division crown and 1 trip to the playoffs. He has the 3rd most wins of any manager in history.

Yeah he has had some good teams to manage, but all I know is that in the decade before he got here we were generally awful. In the decade since he has been here we are generally a contender. I am happy with that.

How long as Jocketty been here? :) .. and the new owners?

I understand he's a hall of game manager, I just don't get his method of managing sometimes.

[sterlingice]

Todd you are killing me here man. You are talking like all these guys that call into KFNS and drive me nuts. Here are the facts. In the 10 years LaRussa has been here we are 169 games over .500. We have 6 trips to the playoffs and 5 division crowns. In the 10 years before LaRussa got here we were 2 games UNDER .500 with 1 division crown and 1 trip to the playoffs. He has the 3rd most wins of any manager in history.

Yeah he has had some good teams to manage, but all I know is that in the decade before he got here we were generally awful. In the decade since he has been here we are generally a contender. I am happy with that.
I gotta say that's a bit of specious reasoning, tho. There are a ton of confounding variables. In the end, it's been statistically shown that managers don't have that much of an effect on games- they can cause a 10-15 game swing per year, max, going from the absolute worst to the absolute best. How was Joe Torre when he managed the Mets or Braves or the Cards (894-1003 before the Yankees)? A big payroll and good players make every manager look good.

SI

[primelord]

I gotta say that's a bit of specious reasoning, tho. There are a ton of confounding variables. In the end, it's been statistically shown that managers don't have that much of an effect on games- they can cause a 10-15 game swing per year, max, going from the absolute worst to the absolute best. How was Joe Torre when he managed the Mets or Braves or the Cards (894-1003 before the Yankees)? A big payroll and good players make every manager look good.

SI

That may be the base, but the fact remains we have been very successful since he has been here and he has been successful every place he has been. It's very common around here when things start going wrong to blame LaRussa. It gets especially bad on the call in shows and there really is no merit for it.

CARDINALS 11TH: MITRE REPLACED MURTON (PITCHING); MABRY BATTED FOR MAHONEY; Mabry tripled to left; LUNA RAN FOR MABRY; Taguchi grounded out (shortstop to first); On a bunt Eckstein singled to pitcher [Luna scored]; 1 R, 2 H, 0 E, 1 LOB. Cubs 1, Cardinals 2.

That is from a Cards/Cubs game last year that I was at. Eckstein had two strikes on him and they ran the squeeze. Eck got it down safely and the Cardinals won. The next day everyone was talking about what a fantastic aggressive move LaRussa made. It's the same thing. Eckstein just didn;t get the bunt down this time.

Cards fans often also routinely forget the things that actually lost the game. Like the fact we got down 6-0 in the first place or that two other batters had an opportunity to get that runner from 3rd home with less than two outs and neither could do it. They instead want to focus on one call that LaRussa made that has not only worked before, but he was praised for doing.

I just get tired of hearing it. We have had great success the last few years. Even though we haven't won a ring we have been one of the best teams in baseball and despite what some other research might say I think LaRussa has been a huge part of that.

[MizzouRah]

Well, I get tired of hearing how great he is. :p

It's this lull the team is in right now.. I'm irked at everything right now. I wouldn't call a talk show an whine about him, but I'll post on an internet forum. :)

[JeeberD]

I heart this thread... :)

[Butter]

You Cards fans need a nice 2-3 year run in last place to show you what suffering really is.

[Fonzie]

oof

[WSUCougar]

:o

[Blade6119]

How long as Jocketty been here? :) .. and the new owners?

I understand he's a hall of game manager, I just don't get his method of managing sometimes.
Everyone praises joe torre for his record in NY, but he was an outcast in STL...a manager can prepare you, but the players win games.

[Poli]

Did we win again?

Can/did someone SLAP the fool that sent Brad Thompson down??

[MizzouRah]

Did we win again?

Can/did someone SLAP the fool that sent Brad Thompson down??

Uh... no... 14-4 :(

Bobby Cox looks out of it though. :D

[DeToxRox]

Good news St. Louis fans!

Baseball Tonight announces the Angels trade Jeff Weaver to St. Louis for a minor league outfielder

[Fonzie]

Good news St. Louis fans!

Baseball Tonight announces the Angels trade Jeff Weaver to St. Louis for a minor league outfielder
Jeff Weaver (http://fantasybaseball.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=2768) - S - ANA (http://fantasybaseball.rotoworld.com/content/clubhouse_news.asp?sport=MLB&majteam=ANA) - Jul. 5 - 10:42 pm et According to FSN, the Cardinals have acquired Jeff Weaver from the Angels for outfielder Terry Evans.
So much for the Angels getting any immediate help. Evans has big numbers in the minors this year, but he's been old for his leagues and isn't likely to develop into a regular. Weaver will almost certainly take Sidney Ponson's spot in the St. Louis rotation. Expect him to have quite a bit of value in NL-only leagues. Jul. 5 - 10:42 pm et


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Evans is a 24 year-old AA OF. His stats this year:


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Sounds like a decent trade for the Cards. Weaver's a bit of a nutcase, but he's got some talent. Just the kind of guy Dave Duncan can turn around. And the price was right, it seems.

[WSUCougar]

For each ERA run over 3.00, we whack an inch off his hair.

[CraigSca]

I'm still dumbfounded that Sidney Ponson isn't the answer.

LOL.

[WSUCougar]

I'm still dumbfounded that Sidney Ponson isn't the answer.
Well, he is the answer. We just haven't figured out what the question is.

[Fonzie]

Well, he is the answer. We just haven't figured out what the question is.

Question: where do they put all the fat drained off in liposuction procedures?

Answer: Sidney Ponson.

[MizzouRah]

Weaver? Are we grasping for straws here??

[Fonzie]

Weaver? Are we grasping for straws here??

Yes. Yes we are. But limp straws standing motionless on the mound would probably be able to pitch better than our rotation right now.

[WSUCougar]

Weaver? Are we grasping for straws here??
It's a low-risk move, although I don't know much about Evans and it's not like we are loaded with OF prospects.

[QuikSand]

Weaver has been really unlucky this season, honestly. He's been pitching okay, and watching all sorts of things go badly for him -- including a very high rate of balls in play dropping in for hits (which we generally attribute more to luck than to the pitcher's skill), and an unusually high share of his conceded fly balls leaving the park (a softer stat, but still looks unlucky).

If you're a believer of component skills being a better predictor than current surface results of future results... then there's certainly hope that Jeff Weaver is a better-then-replacement player for the balance of this season, even if he doesn't really "do better" than he has been thus far.

He's basically been a 4.00 ERA pitcher (or thereabouts) by the component skills, but has a 6.46 to show for it.

[Fonzie]

It's a low-risk move, although I don't know much about Evans and it's not like we are loaded with OF prospects.

I'm less concerned about losing Evans who, at 24, is a bit long in the tooth as prospects go. I'm more concerned about Weaver's $8,325,000 salary, and what it'll do to the Cards' ability to pick up another OF bat.

[QuikSand]

And Terry Evans is a bag of balls, essentially.

[Fonzie]

I just noticed this in the press release on the Cardinals' website:

"Weaver signed a one-year deal with the Angels this winter for $8.325 million. It was reported that Los Angeles would be willing to pick up a significant portion of the contract in order to get a player it liked in exchange for Weaver."

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So hopefully he won't hamstring them too much with his contract.

[Fonzie]

And Terry Evans is a bag of balls, essentially.

Yup. His stats up through 2005:

Batting Statistics <table celpadding="1" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr class="content_headers"><td>Year</td><td>Team Name</td><td>League</td><td title="Age is calculated as of June 30 of a season" style="cursor: help;">Age</td><td>Org.</td><td>Level</td><td align="right" width="3%">G</td><td align="right" width="3%">AB</td><td align="right" width="3%">R</td><td align="right" width="3%">H</td><td align="right" width="3%">2B</td><td align="right" width="3%">3B</td><td align="right" width="3%">HR</td><td align="right" width="3%">RBI</td><td align="right" width="3%">SB</td><td align="right" width="3%">CS</td><td align="right" width="3%">BB</td><td align="right" width="3%">SO</td><td align="right" width="3%">HBP</td><td align="right" width="3%">IBB</td><td align="right" width="3%">SH</td><td align="right" width="3%">SF</td><td align="right" width="3%">DP </td><td align="right" width="3%">AVG</td><td align="right" width="3%">OBP</td><td align="right" width="3%">SLG</td><td align="right" width="4%">OPS</td></tr><tr><td colspan="40" bgcolor="darkblue" height="1">
</td></tr><tr style="background-color: white;" class="content_data" onmouseover="this.style.backgroundColor='#FFFFAA'" onmouseout="this.style.backgroundColor='white'"><td>2002</td><td>Johnson City (http://www.thebaseballcube.com/statistics/2002/10259.shtml)</td><td title="Appalachian League">App</td><td>20</td><td>Stl</td><td style="border-right: thin solid darkblue;">Rk</td><td align="right">60</td><td align="right">230</td><td align="right">42</td><td align="right">66</td><td align="right">22</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right">41</td><td align="right">17</td><td align="right">4</td><td align="right">29</td><td align="right">67</td><td align="right">0</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">0</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right">5 </td><td style="border-left: thin solid darkblue;" align="right">.287</td><td title="* indicates a roughly calculated OBP" align="right">.364</td><td align="right">.491</td><td title="* indicates a roughly calculated OPS" align="right">855</td></tr><tr class="content_data" onmouseover="this.style.backgroundColor='#FFFFAA'" onmouseout="this.style.backgroundColor='white'"><td>2003</td><td>Peoria (http://www.thebaseballcube.com/statistics/2003/10341.shtml)</td><td title="Midwest League">Midw</td><td>21</td><td>Stl</td><td style="border-right: thin solid darkblue;">A</td><td align="right">104</td><td align="right">382</td><td align="right">35</td><td align="right">94</td><td align="right">28</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">10</td><td align="right">41</td><td align="right">13</td><td align="right">6</td><td align="right">19</td><td align="right">86</td><td align="right">3</td><td align="right">0</td><td align="right">4</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right">8 </td><td style="border-left: thin solid darkblue;" align="right">.246</td><td title="* indicates a roughly calculated OBP" align="right">.286</td><td align="right">.403</td><td title="* indicates a roughly calculated OPS" align="right">689</td></tr><tr class="content_data" onmouseover="this.style.backgroundColor='#FFFFAA'" onmouseout="this.style.backgroundColor='white'"><td>2004</td><td>Peoria (http://www.thebaseballcube.com/statistics/2004/10341.shtml)</td><td title="Midwest League">Midw</td><td>22</td><td>Stl</td><td style="border-right: thin solid darkblue;">A</td><td align="right">101</td><td align="right">365</td><td align="right">48</td><td align="right">81</td><td align="right">21</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">13</td><td align="right">59</td><td align="right">8</td><td align="right">3</td><td align="right">35</td><td align="right">105</td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">7 </td><td style="border-left: thin solid darkblue;" align="right">.222</td><td title="* indicates a roughly calculated OBP" align="right">.301</td><td align="right">.392</td><td title="* indicates a roughly calculated OPS" align="right">693</td></tr><tr class="content_data" onmouseover="this.style.backgroundColor='#FFFFAA'" onmouseout="this.style.backgroundColor='white'"><td> </td><td>Palm Beach (http://www.thebaseballcube.com/statistics/2004/10683.shtml)</td><td title="Florida State League">FSL</td><td>22</td><td>Stl</td><td style="border-right: thin solid darkblue;">A+</td><td align="right">19</td><td align="right">58</td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right">13</td><td align="right">4</td><td align="right">0</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">0</td><td align="right">4</td><td align="right">16</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">0</td><td align="right">0</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">0 </td><td style="border-left: thin solid darkblue;" align="right">.224</td><td title="* indicates a roughly calculated OBP" align="right">.281</td><td align="right">.397</td><td title="* indicates a roughly calculated OPS" align="right">678</td></tr><tr style="background-color: white;" class="content_data" onmouseover="this.style.backgroundColor='#FFFFAA'" onmouseout="this.style.backgroundColor='white'"><td>2005</td><td>Palm Beach (http://www.thebaseballcube.com/statistics/2005/10683.shtml)</td><td title="Florida State League">FSL</td><td>23</td><td>Stl</td><td style="border-right: thin solid darkblue;">A+</td><td align="right">114</td><td align="right">385</td><td align="right">34</td><td align="right">85</td><td align="right">16</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">8</td><td align="right">47</td><td align="right">12</td><td align="right">6</td><td align="right">29</td><td align="right">110</td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">3</td><td align="right">5 </td><td style="border-left: thin solid darkblue;" align="right">.221</td><td title="* indicates a roughly calculated OBP" align="right">.285</td><td align="right">.330</td><td title="* indicates a roughly calculated OPS" align="right">615</td></tr><tr><td colspan="40" bgcolor="darkblue" height="1">
</td></tr><tr class="content_data"><td colspan="6" style="border-right: thin solid darkblue;">
</td></tr></tbody> </table> --------------------

Looks like a classic case of selling high. Smart move by Walt to get maximum value for a minor leaguer who is unlikely to turn into much.

[QuikSand]

Well, the Angels had DFA'd Weaver already, so they were under the gun to get any deal they could. My best guss is that they eat 75% of the remaining deal, the Cards pick up maybe $1 million in salary or so, which shouldn't give them any problem doing any other moves.

[WSUCougar]

Plus we need to stop the bleeding in terms of pitching first...we've been scoring a decent amount of runs, it's just our starters and bullpen are getting shelled regularly.

[MizzouRah]

Plus we need to stop the bleeding in terms of pitching first...we've been scoring a decent amount of runs, it's just our starters and bullpen are getting shelled regularly.

Yep, all the hitting we could get wouldn't help when we give up 14 runs. :D

[JeeberD]

Big series coming up this weekend...

[MizzouRah]

Big series coming up this weekend...

We funna smoke your arse!

[SackAttack]

Weaver's a Redbird? This thread needs a title change.

"Cards lose! Cards lose! Cards lose!"

[WSUCougar]

We've already been doing a lot of that, so I'm not sure we can pin that on the new guy.

[JeeberD]

:)

[WSUCougar]

:(

[MizzouRah]

:)

:mad:

[MizzouRah]

I'll say it again. That f'n stadium in Houston is ONE BIG JOKE! Nice catch Jimmy on that f'n hill that Jack and Jill fell down on.

Oh, and nice pop fly that goes to the wall in LF almost every at bat.

I HATE that joke of a stadium. Hate it, hate it , hate it.

[JeeberD]

I love it.

[JeeberD]

Dola-

:(

[SackAttack]

I'll say it again. That f'n stadium in Houston is ONE BIG JOKE!

No, it's a stadium.

Here's a big joke: A priest, a rabbi, and a Cardinal walk into a bar...

[MizzouRah]

JROD hit a bomb! Cards win!

They better have good food there Jeebs. :)

[JeeberD]

Screw the food (wait, neither of us is HA ;) )...when we go down there I'll be able to introduce you to Shiner! :)

[WSUCougar]

:D

[MizzouRah]

Screw the food (wait, neither of us is HA ;) )...when we go down there I'll be able to introduce you to Shiner! :)

:)

[LoneStarGirl]

Good game we have going on here. Lets see how long the Stros can keep this up.

[MizzouRah]

We get to "lights out" Lidge once again!!

Pujols..... CARDS WIN!!!

[Fonzie]

I kinda feel sorry for Lidge. :D

[GoldenEagle]

We have won three in a row? What is that called?

[SackAttack]

We have won three in a row? What is that called?

Facing the Astros?

[MizzouRah]

Get outta that theme park as quick as you can boys!!

[Poli]

Did we, uh, win that extra inning game yesterday/early this morning?

[SackAttack]

7-5, I think, Rodney.

[Fonzie]

7-5, I think, Rodney.

Yup, in 12 innings. Aaron Miles hit a two-run double off of Brad Lidge.

[WSUCougar]

So that makes it :D:D:D to :(

[MizzouRah]

So that makes it :D:D:D to :(

You are :D on!

[sterlingice]

:rolleyes::mad::p:eek: off, Cardinals fans

;)

SI

[JeeberD]

I now hate this thread. :(

[primelord]

I now hate this thread. :(

Nothing like a 4 game set against the Stros to right the ship! That's 5 in a row baby. :)

[WSUCougar]

Ah, nothing like a little ChrisCyYoungCarpenter to ease your mind...

Oh, and: :D:D

(that's one :D for each Dodger hit)

[MizzouRah]

.. add another baby!

I will say, our bullpen seems to be back on track.

[DeToxRox]

Must be nice to be back in JV after a couple week stint with varsity. :)

[Cards4ever]

Must be nice to be back in JV after a couple week stint with varsity. :)


How long do Tigers hibernate? Oh, about 20 years.

[DeToxRox]

How long do Tigers hibernate? Oh, about 20 years.

And I've labored with them. But with how young the team is now, and how talented. Especially the pitching staff. I wouldn't worry about them hibernating anytime soon.

[sterlingice]

Yeah, KC would kill for another nice road trip to play the NL Central about now instead of the darn Tigers :(

SI

[MizzouRah]

Yeah, KC would kill for another nice road trip to play the NL Central about now instead of the darn Tigers :(

SI

KC would kill to play the Memphis Redbirds. :p

[sterlingice]

Kansas City Royals, 2006
2-1 .667 @ St Louis
29-58 .333 in all other games

I think the trend is obvious ;)

SI

[MizzouRah]

Kansas City Royals, 2006
2-1 .667 @ St Louis
29-58 .333 in all other games

I think the trend is obvious ;)

SI

Whatever makes you Royals fans happy. :)

[Double A]

I love this thread...and the Dodgers in St. Louis.

We are undefeated since Weaver donned the birds on the bat. :)

[Cards4ever]

And I've labored with them. But with how young the team is now, and how talented. Especially the pitching staff. I wouldn't worry about them hibernating anytime soon.

I guess I'd just be careful about who you call JV when you have a team that hasn't competed in ages.

[DeToxRox]

I guess I'd just be careful about who you call JV when you have a team that hasn't competed in ages.

I'd reccommend you not take things so seriously. You're rediculous.

[sterlingice]

I'd reccommend you not take things so seriously. You're rediculous.
(don't worry, they get all bitter towards the Royals, too, despite the fact that KC has had 1 competitive season in about 10 years- being a Cards fan just requires you walking around with a chip on your shoulder despite not having back to back losing seasons since the Eisenhower administration) :p

SI

[Fonzie]

Four game sweep, baby!

[Cards4ever]

I'd reccommend you not take things so seriously. You're rediculous.


Looks like you are the one taking things too seriously to me.

SI, why must you always play the Royals card? Why would Cardinal fans be bitter about Royals fans? A WS that took place over 20 years ago? Now that is RIDICULOUS! ;)

[WSUCougar]

http://www.seasite.niu.edu/thaidict/thailex1/picture/sweep.jpg

[MizzouRah]

We have to go back to LA after the Atlanta series. I'm sure they'll remember this series.

[Double A]

It was good to see Reyes keep the ball down a little better in this one. I am concerned on how this kid develops with Duncan and TLR and if they keep shoving the 2-seamer and "pitch to contact" mentality down his throat, when he appears to be a natural power arm/strikeout (high in the zone) pitcher.

With Weaver, however, I can't wait to see Duncan dig into him. These are the type of veteran pitchers Duncan works wonders with.

[MizzouRah]

It will be interesting to see what Duncan can do with Weaver, but I didn't think Ponson was that bad.

I do like his kid Chris though, he could develop into a good hitter.

[Fonzie]

It was good to see Reyes keep the ball down a little better in this one. I am concerned on how this kid develops with Duncan and TLR and if they keep shoving the 2-seamer and "pitch to contact" mentality down his throat, when he appears to be a natural power arm/strikeout (high in the zone) pitcher.

With Weaver, however, I can't wait to see Duncan dig into him. These are the type of veteran pitchers Duncan works wonders with.

I have the same worry about Reyes. And the same optimism about Weaver. Basically, you have my opinions.

Hmmm...can you tell me what I would like for breakfast tomorrow? And what I should wear?

[GoldenEagle]

Anyone hear about the rumored trade with the Braves?

Cards would get:
Andruw Jones
Edgar Renteria
O. Villarel

Braves get:
Wainwright
Rico Washington
Pomeraz
Gall

[SackAttack]

The Renteria part of it makes me laugh.

Both in the Nelson Muntz "Ha, ha!" vein but also in the sense of "David Eckstein is hitting .314, why the hell do you want Renteria back?"

Hadn't heard that rumor though, now.

[Fonzie]

I hadn't heard it either. Where'd you hear about that, GE?

[GoldenEagle]

It was on email going around my work (which is full of hard-core Cards fans). Some guy on XM mentioned it as a chance.

I think the plan would be to move Eckstien to 2B.

[MizzouRah]

Anyone hear about the rumored trade with the Braves?

Cards would get:
Andruw Jones
Edgar Renteria
O. Villarel

Braves get:
Wainwright
Rico Washington
Pomeraz
Gall

Hmmmm... Renteria back in Cardinal red? Not sure that would happen, but weirder things have.

I would take Andruw Jones in a minute.. but that's tough giving up Wainright, next year's starting pitcher.

Of course Renteria is hitting well this year, so we'd have one hell of a lineup.. but who do you replace Wainright with?

[SackAttack]

Hmmmm... Renteria back in Cardinal red? Not sure that would happen, but weirder things have.

I would take Andruw Jones in a minute.. but that's tough giving up Wainright, next year's starting pitcher.

Of course Renteria is hitting well this year, so we'd have one hell of a lineup.. but who do you replace Wainright with?

And hasn't the pitching been giving you guys more trouble than the bats?

[MizzouRah]

And hasn't the pitching been giving you guys more trouble than the bats?

Not lately.

Sorry.. read that wrong. Yes indeed.. but we are losing most of our starting pitching next year.

[WSUCougar]

Weird rumor.

[Butter]

I'm going to be the Reds fan that breaks up this love fest by saying that we will catch you. Unless we give away Dunn and Griffey in some trade for Terry Mulholland first.

[WSUCougar]

I'm going to be the Reds fan that breaks up this love fest by saying that we will catch you.
Wanna bet?

[Butter]

Bring it on, State boy.

[WSUCougar]

Terms?

[Butter]

I don't know... I'm not good at the heat-of-the-moment machismo style betting. I'm open to suggestions.

So, what's the deal with cutting Sidney Ponson?

[WSUCougar]

So, what's the deal with cutting Sidney Ponson?
He sucked, got sent to the bullpen, and didn't take it well at all. Quick ticket to DFA.

[MizzouRah]

Didn't the Reds just trade their starting SS and RF for some pitching? Isn't Adam Dunn the strikeout king of the NL? (ok maybe 2nd behind Jimmy E)

[WSUCougar]

Yeah, that Reds trade was a head-scratcher.

[Butter]

I wasn't ripping on cutting him, I honestly haven't followed it much. I know the Reds were trying to get him for several years, it seems like it's just as well that they didn't.

[Cards4ever]

He sucked, got sent to the bullpen, and didn't take it well at all. Quick ticket to DFA.


Especially when his contract was attached to incentives relating to starts.

[MizzouRah]

Boy Weaver looks good!! Doh!!

What can he do that Ponson can't?

[primelord]

Boy Weaver looks good!! Doh!!

What can he do that Ponson can't?

Run a mile? Do 25 jumping jacks?

[MizzouRah]

Run a mile? Do 25 jumping jacks?

At least pitching wasn't one of them. :)

[miami_fan]

Doesn't look like it is just Weaver.

[Fonzie]

Run a mile? Do 25 jumping jacks?

Avoid collapsing into a singularity at the end of his life cycle?

[MizzouRah]

Doesn't look like it is just Weaver.

Point is, I think there was a reason he was traded and had a 3-10 record with a 6. whatever era. Granted, it wasn't for much.. but why did they shit on Ponson?

[JonInMiddleGA]

I wonder what the odds were that the Braves would score 15 runs without a single RBI from their top 2 in the category & only 1 RBI from their top 3?

[WSUCougar]

I think they accidentally suited up Dennis Weaver...and he's been dead awhile.

[primelord]

Point is, I think there was a reason he was traded and had a 3-10 record with a 6. whatever era. Granted, it wasn't for much.. but why did they shit on Ponson?

Because he was lazy, had a terrible attitude and was pitching terribly. Those aren't good enough reasons for you?

[MizzouRah]

Because he was lazy, had a terrible attitude and was pitching terribly. Those aren't good enough reasons for you?

Ponson
REC 4-4 | SV 0 | ERA 5.24 | WHIP 1.62

Weaver
REC 3-10 | SV 0 | ERA 6.60 | WHIP 1.56

Not much different here.
Where did you read he was lazy, had a terrible attitude, and was pitching THAT bad.. or better yet worse than Weaver's pitched this year?
Oh yeah LaRussa said this and that, must be true.
I really don't care about their feud. What I do care about is spending money on Weaver when Ponson cost us peanunts and didn't pitch any worse than Weaver has so far.
I'll eat my words if Weaver finishes with better stats than Ponson.

[WSUCougar]

It's only one start (although admittedly a poor one).

[primelord]

You're right. Ponson actually is a fantastic guy to have around the club house and they just shit canned him for the hell of it.

Not pitching that bad? He gave up 26 earned runs in his last 6 starts. He had a whopping 9.55 ERA in his last 6 starts. How bad does it have to get?

Don't lump me in with the Jeff Weaver fan club. However I am all for at least trying something different instead of running Ponson out there every 5 days to get slaughtered. If Duncan can turn Weaver around then great. If not then it is no worse than if Ponson stayed.

When the manager says a player has a terrible attitude and he is giving up 26 earned runs in a 6 game stretch then yeah I am ok with them showing him the door.

[Poli]

I think they accidentally suited up Dennis Weaver...and he's been dead awhile.

At least you didn't say Earl.

[WSUCougar]

At least you didn't say Earl.
That would work, too. :D

Oh, and if it makes you feel any better, the weather in St. Louis makes it feel like Africa this week. :o

[Poli]

Did we win again?

Can/did someone SLAP the fool that sent Brad Thompson down??


Thompson starts: Brad Thompson made his 2006 starting debut on Friday night, throwing 50 pitches over three innings for Triple-A Memphis. Thompson allowed two runs on five base hits, struck out two and did not issue a walk. During his time at Memphis, Thompson will pitch in the starting rotation, which will accomplish two goals. First, it will allow him plenty of innings in which to work out his struggles over the past couple of months. Second, it potentially provides the Cardinals with a sixth-starter option, while Mark Mulder is on the disabled list. At this point, there is no obvious candidate to receive a start if a member of the current St. Louis rotation were injured or needed a break for whatever reason


Was he struggling that bad...with an ERA in the 4 range?

[Poli]

That would work, too. :D

Oh, and if it makes you feel any better, the weather in St. Louis makes it feel like Africa this week. :o

Yeah, welcome to my world.

[Poli]

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Ouch. I see why now.

[Double A]

I was at that pitiful effort last night...cooked in the right field sun and watched Braves home runs...Weaver was all over the place...and the Braves are hot right now, so I wasn't too surprised. Don't know if you guys read viva el birdos cardinals blog...best one out there right now (IMO). I should have known the Cards would lose...bad things usually happen when I score tickets at the last minute and make that 2.5 hour drive. :(

Thompson's big issue right now is arm slot and he's decreased the efficiency of his sinker (i.e., it doesn't), so he'd bring his 88 mph non-sinker in and was getting ripped. I like him and hope he gets straightened out in Memphis...wish he'd incorporate his changeup more.

And that trade rumor above w/ Renteria and company is crazy. Who would make that deal??? Wainright will be good, but he hasn't been stellor in the past 2 months. Rico Washington is a career minor leaguer w/ no range that we signed to keep Springfield afloat while our young OFs (Haether, Stavinoha, Gorecki) learn to hit w/o losing every game. Pomeraz is a soft tosser whose record is more a product of run support then talent. Gall is your typical AAAA player...little to no impact at the major league level (although I think he deserves more a shake then TLR has given him). Wainright is a longterm gem (if he stays healthy)...but ATL wouldn't give up Renteria, let alone Jones and the MR...for that package. Just my opinion.

[WSUCougar]

Ugh. Jason Marquis with your garden-variety 12 earned runs outing. It was ugly, and I was there. For awhile.

[Poli]

Really? Great.... :(

[MizzouRah]

Atlanta is kicking some major ass lately.

[WSUCougar]

You should have seen Marquis. Pitch...BLAM! HR! (fans grumbling)...he looks over toward the dugout. Pitch...BLAM! HR! (more fans grumbling)...he looks over toward the dugout (mercy!). Pitch...

[Poli]

Kind of like Ricky Horton, huh?

[MizzouRah]

You should have seen Marquis. Pitch...BLAM! HR! (fans grumbling)...he looks over toward the dugout. Pitch...BLAM! HR! 9more fans grumbling)...he looks over toward the dugout (mercy!). Pitch...

He's like.. how many f'n hr's do I have to give up in order for LaRussa to take me out so I can get some AC and a Sun Drop?

[Poli]

He's like.. how many f'n hr's do I have to give up in order for LaRussa to take me out so I can get some AC and a Sun Drop?

Maybe I was thinking of Danny Cox.

[WSUCougar]

Donovan Osborne?

[Poli]

Ooh. Good one.

Danny Jackson.

Kent Mercker.

[WSUCougar]

Esteban Yan

[Poli]

Jeff Weaver.

[Poli]

I have to get this one in before I forget it:

Jeff Brantley.

[MizzouRah]

Tony Fosses.

[Poli]

You mean, Tony Fossas?

[Poli]

Bud Smith.

[MizzouRah]

You mean, Tony Fossas?

Yes.

[GoldenEagle]

Cliff Polite.

[WSUCougar]

Cliff Polite.
You mean, the just-released-a-couple-days-ago-by-someone (White Sox?) Cliff Polite?

[GoldenEagle]

You mean, the just-released-a-couple-days-ago-by-someone (White Sox?) Cliff Polite?

Can we sign him? Memphis could use some pitching.

[WSUCougar]

Can we sign him? St. Louis could use some pitching.
Fixed :o

[miami_fan]

Wasn't this the second time that Marquis was hung out there to take a beating by LaRussa this year?

[miami_fan]

Listening to the game on the Braves radio network right now. I hope this was the extent of the damage in the greater STL area.


ST. LOUIS -- Thirty people were injured as high wind blew out press box windows, overturned portable concession stands and ripped the tarp at new Busch Stadium right before the start of Wednesday night's game between the Atlanta Braves and St. Louis Cardinals.

Five fans were taken to hospitals, according to Norm Corley, a supervisor with Accu-Care, which handles medical issues at the stadium. One of them had a dislocated hip, another a dislocated shoulder, two had back injuries and a fifth had a seizure apparently unrelated to the storm, Corley said.


The start of the game was delayed 2 hours, 12 minutes as crews righted the concession stands, cleaned up debris and mopped flooded areas.


"This is the worst," said longtime fan Carol Backs-Wenneman of nearby St. Libory, Ill. "I was wondering if the new stadium would hold up."


Right after the national anthem, dark clouds moved over the ballpark and dust began swirling 20 feet in the air. Several fans could be heard yelling as they scattered for cover.


As the wind got harder and louder, about half of the plastic window sheets protecting the open-air press box popped out of place. At least one of them -- about 10 feet wide and 5 feet high -- flew into the stands. The other sheets toppled into the box.


The usher guarding the press box and several fans hung onto guard rails for safety when the wind was at its strongest.


"I was hanging on for dear life," usher Linda McGuire said. "The rain was hitting us so hard it felt like needles."


Reporters huddled for safety in a stairwell behind the press box, where there was standing water in the front row.


"We all ran for cover," said Carl Thibodeux, usher chief for the upper deck. "That wind was something else. It was scary there for a while."


The tarp was brought to cover the field before the rain began. The wind whipped it and caused a sizable tear near home plate, and later the grounds crew tore off a 10-foot piece.


The $365 million ballpark opened this season in a lot adjacent to the old Busch Stadium, where the Cardinals spent the previous four decades.

[Poli]

You mean, the just-released-a-couple-days-ago-by-someone (White Sox?) Cliff Polite?

Or the more famous Cliff Politte.

[MizzouRah]

My little one came into where I was playing the ps2 and said, "Daddy, the table turned over outside". I went to see what she was talking about and the wind was unreal as stuff was flying all over the backyard. Quite a wind storm tonight.

[Fonzie]

My little one came into where I was playing the ps2 and said, "Daddy, the table turned over outside". I went to see what she was talking about and the wind was unreal as stuff was flying all over the backyard. Quite a wind storm tonight.

Yeah, we got it here in Illinois too. For about 15 minutes it was so dark, windy, and lightning-y that I imagined that we were living on the surface of Venus (minus the 700 degree temperatures, sulfuric acid for rain, and crushing atmospheric pressure, of course). Funny thing is that this storm came through on the very day that we were having our old roof removed so that it could be replaced. Of course, that replacement was necessitated by damage from the tornado-fest that whipped through these parts a few months ago.

I guess that's not so funny.

[primelord]

Man I think Pujols is going to make Chris Duncan a lot of money. Duncan has a ton of raw power. If he gets to keep seeing fat fastballs like he has been he is going to put up some very nice numbers in the future. He absolutely just crushed that ball off of Penny. Without Pujols behind him I am willing to bet Duncan doesn't get a single hit against Penny.

[MizzouRah]

That was a MAMOUTH shot. I think Pujols helps him more so than that. I heard that Pujols has kind of taken Duncan under his wing and has showed him some things hitting wise.

I like his potential and wouldn't mind if he started in LF most of the season.

[primelord]

That was a MAMOUTH shot. I think Pujols helps him more so than that. I heard that Pujols has kind of taken Duncan under his wing and has showed him some things hitting wise.

I like his potential and wouldn't mind if he started in LF most of the season.

I don't doubt that at all. He just really struggles when people throw him breaking balls. So hitting in front of Pujols is allowing him to actually be productive now. Where as if Pujols was not there I think he would really have problems.

[Poli]

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[WSUCougar]

Yeah, just your typical 1-0 game at Coors...YIKES! That after being 2-hit the night before.

[MizzouRah]

2 out of 3 aint bad...

now don't be sad cause...cause 2 out of 3 aint bad...

[WSUCougar]

Cards lose! Cards lose! Cards lose! Cards lose!

And I'm not a big fan of the Belliard acquisition. Time will tell, but I don't see how that has a major impact on the offense. Seemed more like making a trade just for the sake of making a trade. I have faith in Walt Jocketty, but at this point it seems rather weak.

[MizzouRah]

I like him better than Lunatic though.

Swept by the Cubbies, yikes!! What a division we're in though... thanks Brewers.

[Cuckoo]

Cubs can't beat anybody this year... except the Cardinals. Go figure.

[Poli]

At least we got Rafael Belliard.


(Yeah, I know...Ron...)

[primelord]

And I'm not a big fan of the Belliard acquisition. Time will tell, but I don't see how that has a major impact on the offense. Seemed more like making a trade just for the sake of making a trade. I have faith in Walt Jocketty, but at this point it seems rather weak.

I am really on the fence with this one. I thought Bernie made some good points in his column today. Luna essentially will likely end up being Belliard, but he is younger and cheaper.

I see two reasons why this trade likely helps us more than keeping Luna though. The first one being that even if Luna is capable of putting up the same numbers as Belliard, LaRussa for whatever reason refused to give him the lions share of at bats. Maybe he had a good reason for that and maybe he didn't. The one thing that is certain is Belliard will be starting every day and that means he will be a certain upgrade at the plate over Miles.

The other thing I like about what I have read on Belliard is he is an extremly confident guy. He won't back down from anyone and wants to be up in key situations. I think we can really use some of that in the lineup. I have read conflicting reports on his defensive abilities and I certainly haven't seen him play enough to jugde that so I will wait and see how he does there. Overall I think this does upgrade our offense if for no other reason than LaRussa wasn't going to play Luna anyway. Whether it will be good for the ball club past this season or not will remain to be seen.

[Fonzie]

Boy, Dan Haren would sure look good in a Cardinals uniform right now...

[MizzouRah]

I'll say it again.

The NL Central has been good to us.

[JeeberD]

At least we got Rafael Belliard.


(Yeah, I know...Ron...)

When I was at UTEP the girl across the hall from the girl I was dating was "seeing" Belliard (he was in AA, a Diablo). I remember a few weeks after the season ended she was moping around because he had never called her like he promised he would. Poor girl thought she actually more than a piece of ass to him...

[WSUCougar]

We are teh suck.

[MizzouRah]

Weaver sucks.

..and listening to Hrabosky and McLaughlin is like listening to paint dry.. but that's being unfair to paint.

[Philliesfan980]

Lovin this.

I love the deals that the Phillies have made. Sure their a worse team on paper, but they got rid of some bad dudes in the clubhouse. If they can find a way to get rid of Madson and Burrell, I'll think they'll be good in 08.

[stevew]

Didnt see it, but how was that Utley ab ruled a fielders choice. The pitcher didnt get anyone out, i thought that should either be a single or an error.

[stevew]

looks like it was ruled a single after all. It continues.

[MizzouRah]

Lovin this.

I love the deals that the Phillies have made. Sure their a worse team on paper, but they got rid of some bad dudes in the clubhouse. If they can find a way to get rid of Madson and Burrell, I'll think they'll be good in 08.

After watching the Phillies, I think the team is on the up and up.

I loved LaRussa's comments after the game.

"This won't take long. No part of our club was good enough, including the manager. And I don't have anything more to say," La Russa started and finished.

[WSUCougar]

And I thought that game was ugly at 8-3. Silly me.

[MizzouRah]

What do pros do with 91 mph fastballs from a closer?


THEY SMACK THEM OUT OF THE PARK!! WOO HOO IZZY!!!!

Damn this loss hurt!

[JeeberD]

One of the rare times I want the Cards to win and they blow it... :mad:

[Butter]

David Ross hit the bejeezus out of that one.

[MizzouRah]

He smoked it and Jimmy climbed the wall, lol!!

[WSUCougar]

Damn...Duncan is sure hitting the ball well.

[JeeberD]

Good job, Cards!

[Butter]

Well that series decided a whole lot.

[MizzouRah]

Duncan could turn out to be something more than Dave's son. :)

[Pumpy Tudors]

I'm excited because I intend to finally see my favorite team in person. The Cardinals are starting a weekend series in Pittsburgh tonight, and I'll gladly make the 45-minute drive to PNC Park to watch one of the games. The stadium will probably have a few hundred Cardinals fans and six Pirates fans, so I should be able to get almost any seat in that beautiful ballpark.

I can't wait. :D

[MizzouRah]

I'm excited because I intend to finally see my favorite team in person. The Cardinals are starting a weekend series in Pittsburgh tonight, and I'll gladly make the 45-minute drive to PNC Park to watch one of the games. The stadium will probably have a few hundred Cardinals fans and six Pirates fans, so I should be able to get almost any seat in that beautiful ballpark.

I can't wait. :D

Actually, I think the Pirates have 8 fans.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Actually, I think the Pirates have 8 fans.
Damn it, there go the good seats. :(

[MizzouRah]

Damn it, there go the good seats. :(

:D

[sterlingice]

I'm excited because I intend to finally see my favorite team in person. The Cardinals are starting a weekend series in Pittsburgh tonight, and I'll gladly make the 45-minute drive to PNC Park to watch one of the games. The stadium will probably have a few hundred Cardinals fans and six Pirates fans, so I should be able to get almost any seat in that beautiful ballpark.

I can't wait. :D

Pumpy, don't tell me you're a Cards fan? Say it ain't so, say it ain't so :(

SI

[Pumpy Tudors]

Pumpy, don't tell me you're a Cards fan? Say it ain't so, say it ain't so :(
Yeah, since right before they last won the World Series. I became a Cardinals fan during the '82 season. Sorry, dude! :)

[MizzouRah]

A nice easy series against the Pirates.......oh wait a minute!

[JeeberD]

A nice easy series against the Pirates.......oh wait a minute!

*chortle*

[MizzouRah]

Here's a formula the Cardinals like to use:

Pitching = no hitting
Hitting = no pitching

[JeeberD]

At leat y'all lost when we're losing. Now we just need the damn Phillies to come back again...

[MizzouRah]

At leat y'all lost when we're losing. Now we just need the damn Phillies to come back again...

:(

[SackAttack]

At leat y'all lost when we're losing. Now we just need the damn Phillies to come back again...

A pox on both your houses.

Losing to the Padres and Reds?

Unacceptable.

[MizzouRah]

Ahoy! swept by the Pirates me maytees!! Arghhhh!!!

[Pumpy Tudors]

At least I attended the one close game in the series. :(

[MizzouRah]

At least I attended the one close game in the series. :(

I would love to see a game at PNC.

[Fonzie]

Ahoy! swept by the Pirates me maytees!! Arghhhh!!!

Ooof. That hurt.

It is becoming increasingly clear that this Cardinals team is just plain mediocre. They do not deserve to make the playoffs.

Of course, I don't think anybody from the Cental division deserves to make the playoffs, but somebody will have to. It doesn't really matter who, though, as whichever team wins the division will get immediately bounced out of the playoffs.

[MizzouRah]

Well, I might agree in a 7 game series, but ANYTHING can happen in a 5 game series.

[Fonzie]

Well, I might agree in a 7 game series, but ANYTHING can happen in a 5 game series.

I suppose you're right. I mean, even the Astros managed to win a 5-game series last year fer cryin' out loud! ;)

[MizzouRah]

I suppose you're right. I mean, even the Astros managed to win a 5-game series last year fer cryin' out loud! ;)

:eek: :D

[sterlingice]

Bitter much? ;) :p

SI

[RendeR]

Cards are gonna drop 3 straight tuesday thru thursday, Reds to the top of the NL Central!!


Whoot!

[Butter]

Of course, I don't think anybody from the Cental division deserves to make the playoffs, but somebody will have to. It doesn't really matter who, though, as whichever team wins the division will get immediately bounced out of the playoffs.

If the team that makes it from the Central gets hot at the right time, though, who knows how far they could go?

[JeeberD]

I suppose you're right. I mean, even the Astros managed to win a 5-game series last year fer cryin' out loud! ;)

http://kyyotesden.com/Forum/Smileys/default/thefinger.gif

[MizzouRah]

Bitter much? ;) :p

SI

It could be worse.

CLE - 13
KC - 0

[WSUCougar]

The Redbirds have become too frustrating to watch right now. For that matter, listening on the radio is just as intolerable. I turned the game on yesterday and it goes something like, "Thompson in out of the bullpen...Bay will be walked intentionally to load the bases...which means the Pirates have batted around...this is the third time the bases have been loaded this inning...6-0 Pittsburgh..."

I can't stand it. :(

[MizzouRah]

What has happened to Taguchi? His defense has been terrible this year.

I hate listening to the TV broadcasters. "Look on the brightside, at least So had two hits today" DOH!

[Ksyrup]

Ouch!



A rival National League scout who had witnessed Mark Mulder's four-inning rehab start against Class AAA Iowa on Friday night offered a blunt assessment hours afterward: "If his name wasn't Mark Mulder, there would have been no need to file a report." -- St. Louis Post-Dispatch

[MizzouRah]

Ouch!



A rival National League scout who had witnessed Mark Mulder's four-inning rehab start against Class AAA Iowa on Friday night offered a blunt assessment hours afterward: "If his name wasn't Mark Mulder, there would have been no need to file a report." -- St. Louis Post-Dispatch

I heard something about that on the radio this morning.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Well, what would you expect from a Cardinal against Iowa? We already know that the Cardinals can't beat the Cubs outside St. Louis.

[MizzouRah]

May I bow down before you Carpenter and kiss your cleats?

[korme]

May I bow down before you Carpenter and kiss your cleats?

Blah.

Might be headed to St. Louis tomorrow to catch the game.

[Cards4ever]

Pumpy, don't tell me you're a Cards fan? Say it ain't so, say it ain't so :(

SI


http://mlb.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pMLB2-2539696dt.jpg

[Butter]

That started off well.

[MizzouRah]

Blah.

Might be headed to St. Louis tomorrow to catch the game.

Bring lots of money. :D I think a hot dog is like $5.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Bring lots of money. :D I think a hot dog is like $5.
That reminds me. If you ever come up to PNC, bring money for food. I thought I was getting a good deal when I found $5 parking earlier this season (for the 18-inning marathon between the Bucs and Astros), and then I tried to buy food. Good grief, it's expensive. Hamburgers for $6.75, fries for $6.25 (great fries, but expensive), a medium Pepsi for $4.00 -- it's off the wall. From about the 12th inning on, we were all starving, but we weren't going to go pay for more food when the game could've ended at pretty much any minute. When I finally got near home at 1:30am, I bought myself a sandwich from a gas station, and I enjoyed it like it was a gourmet meal.

Ticket prices at PNC are reasonable, parking is reasonable in the city if you find a good spot, but concessions at the stadium are very expensive. The only two things I don't like about games at PNC are the concession prices and trying to find my way around downtown Pittsburgh. Everything else is spectacular.

[MizzouRah]

Yeah, everything is expensive in new ballparks. At least it's still free to pee.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Yeah, everything is expensive in new ballparks. At least it's still free to pee.
Oh, that reminds me. If you're planning to pee at PNC, bring quarters.

(kidding)

[MizzouRah]

Oh, that reminds me. If you're planning to pee at PNC, bring quarters.

(kidding)

Damn.. I'll need lots of them! :D

[Bearcat729]

Apparently the Reds are just going to keep trying to make trades and hope one of them works out

ST. LOUIS -- The Reds have acquired left-hander Scott Schoeneweis from Toronto for a player to be named or cash.

Also today, William Bergolla cleared waivers and was outrighted to Louisville, and Kent Mercker was transferred to the 60-day DL.

[Pumpy Tudors]

...Kent Mercker was transferred to the 60-day DL.
Kent Mercker? They still make that?

[Bearcat729]

Kent Mercker? They still make that?


Actually he just blew out his elbow and is expected to retire.

[Butter]

Here's the best part... Mercker blew out his elbow, but finished the last inning he was pitching in by getting a double play ball AFTER he blew his elbow out... with a 90 mph fastball. Tendons, shmendons.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Actually he just blew out his elbow and is expected to retire.
Did we take a time warp back to 1982 or something? How old is Kent Mercker now? Like 60? Didn't Roberto Clemente get his 3000th hit off Kent Mercker? Or maybe it was his 2000th, I'm not sure.

Seriously, Kent Mercker. They still make that?

[WSUCougar]

What cracks me up about guys like Mercker is that - regardless of their skill-level or general infamy - the Cardinal broadcasters will note that they are former Redbirds:

"Here's Kent Mercker in from the Reds' bullpen. I should say former Cardinal Kent Mercker. He of the 9-7 record and 7.42 ERA in 1999. He also got into a squabble with Tony Larussa when he stepped on a cockroach in the clubhouse. Tony jumped him for it, and Mercker had to be hauled away, screaming something about bugs not belonging to ARF."

[korme]

Is it just me or does Chris Duncan own the Reds?

[korme]

That reminds me. If you ever come up to PNC, bring money for food. I thought I was getting a good deal when I found $5 parking earlier this season (for the 18-inning marathon between the Bucs and Astros), and then I tried to buy food. Good grief, it's expensive. Hamburgers for $6.75, fries for $6.25 (great fries, but expensive), a medium Pepsi for $4.00 -- it's off the wall. From about the 12th inning on, we were all starving, but we weren't going to go pay for more food when the game could've ended at pretty much any minute. When I finally got near home at 1:30am, I bought myself a sandwich from a gas station, and I enjoyed it like it was a gourmet meal.

Ticket prices at PNC are reasonable, parking is reasonable in the city if you find a good spot, but concessions at the stadium are very expensive. The only two things I don't like about games at PNC are the concession prices and trying to find my way around downtown Pittsburgh. Everything else is spectacular.

Is this a new thing to you guys? For 2 cheese coneys, and a drink, I spend $10. That's double what I would pay at a Skyline chain. I dread the day I turn 21 and can buy beer. It'll take me like $70 to get drunk!

[MizzouRah]

Is this a new thing to you guys? For 2 cheese coneys, and a drink, I spend $10. That's double what I would pay at a Skyline chain. I dread the day I turn 21 and can buy beer. It'll take me like $70 to get drunk!

Rookie, it takes me a Benjamin to get drunk. :p

[korme]

I am more concerned right now about your thoughts on why you should demote Chris Duncan for tomorrow.

[MizzouRah]

I am more concerned right now about your thoughts on why you should demote Chris Duncan for tomorrow.

Where did you see or read that?

[WSUCougar]

I think that's just what he wants us to do.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Is this a new thing to you guys? For 2 cheese coneys, and a drink, I spend $10. That's double what I would pay at a Skyline chain.
Well, I've got to admit that it's new to me. My trips to PNC (three in the past two years) are the only times I've ever been in a MLB ballpark. I've gotta remember that I ain't goin' to AAA games anymore.

Yeah, yeah, insert Pirates joke here.

[WSUCougar]

I've gotta remember that I ain't goin' to AAA games anymore.

Yeah, yeah, insert Pirates joke here.
Yeah, it's more like AA. :D

[insert Cardinals being swept by the Pirates joke here]

[MizzouRah]

I think that's just what he wants us to do.

I'm s l o w lately.

How about this? You can have Timo Perez on your team for todays game!

[korme]

Ok, we'll take Timo for today if you take Milton and start him against us.

Edit- on second thought, that might be an upgrade over Weaver.

[MizzouRah]

Ok, we'll take Timo for today if you take Milton and start him against us.

Edit- on second thought, that might be an upgrade over Weaver.

Are you talking about?:

I've just closed my eyes again
Climbed aboard the dream weaver train
Driver take away my worries of today
And leave tomorrow behind

(chorus
Ooh dream weaver
I believe you can get me through the night
Ooh dream weaver
I believe we can reach the morning light
Fly me high through the starry skies
Maybe to an astral plane
Cross the highways of fantasy
Help me to forget today's pain

(chorus again

Though the dawn may be coming soon
There still may be some time
Fly me away to the bright side of the moon
And meet me on the other side