Am I the only one...

[terpkristin]

...who thinks that Clerks 2 looks AWFUL.

I love Kevin Smith's stuff, usually, but this just looks horrendous.

http://www.clerks2.com/

/tk

[Joe]

no. he hasn't made a good movie in a while.

[Greyroofoo]

some movies just don't need a sequel

[BrianD]

I'm still looking forward to this movie. Every once in a while Kevin Smith seems to take himself a little too seriously, but the trailers for this movie make it look like he is remembering where he came from. I would expect this to be of a similar quality to the first one.

[Joe]

I'm still looking forward to this movie. Every once in a while Kevin Smith seems to take himself a little too seriously, but the trailers for this movie make it look like he is remembering where he came from. I would expect this to be of a similar quality to the first one.

I'm not expecting that at all. I think it will be similar quality to Jay & Bob Strike Back, whatever that POS movie was called.

[BrianD]

I'm not expecting that at all. I think it will be similar quality to Jay & Bob Strike Back, whatever that POS movie was called.

That movie had its moments. It was nice to look back and see all of the different characters Jay and Bob interacted with. It certaintly wasn't one of Smith's best movies, but it wasn't all that bad.

[stevew]

Chasing Amy is my favorite Smith film, and i believe it was the pinnacle of his career. Dogma had its moments, just generally "too hollywood." Same with JSBSB. I do cut up for the Good Will Hunting 2 stuff, however. I'm not expecting shit from this, the 2 main actors suck for starters.

[terpkristin]

On another note of suckitude, what is up with adultswim brining back PeeWee's Playhouse.

Between that, Tom Goes to the Mayor, and the other drek they're showing, I must admit, AS has lost its luster.

/tk

[stevew]

On another note of suckitude, what is up with adultswim brining back PeeWee's Playhouse.

Between that, Tom Goes to the Mayor, and the other drek they're showing, I must admit, AS has lost its luster.

/tk

What the fuck? PeeWee's Playhouse is not drek.

[Buccaneer]

I thought Clerks was one of the very worst movies I had ever seen (I don't go for movies where the only hook is how vulgar everyone can speak). So I wouldn't expect Clerks 2 to be any better.

[sabotai]

I'm not expecting that at all. I think it will be similar quality to Jay & Bob Strike Back, whatever that POS movie was called.

Oh good. I liked Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back, so I guess I'll like this one too.

And PeeWee's Playhouse rules!

[BrianD]

I thought Clerks was one of the very worst movies I had ever seen (I don't go for movies where the only hook is how vulgar everyone can speak). So I wouldn't expect Clerks 2 to be any better.

It wasn't really a hook, it is pretty much how people of that age do speak. The movie is very different because it didn't have a huge story-arc. It was really a slice of life movie. Some of the conversations they had were pretty funny...like the discussion of the independant contractors on the Death Star. Other conversations weren't all that great.

I think the biggest problem in the Kevin Smith movies has been the acting. There were some horrible performances in Clerks, Mallrats (especially bad in the one), and Dogma. By now the actors and acting should be decent, so that is one less thing to worry about.

[Schmidty]

Once Smith started to believe his own hype, he went down hill fast. I agree that "Chasing Amy" was his best movie, and after that he's been mediocre and bad at times.

[Schmidty]

I thought Clerks was one of the very worst movies I had ever seen (I don't go for movies where the only hook is how vulgar everyone can speak). So I wouldn't expect Clerks 2 to be any better.

What a suprise! ;)

Just for context's sake, can you give us your top 5 favorite movies?

[sabotai]

Other conversations weren't all that great.

Have you ever wonder how much the average jizz-mopper makes per hour?


And just to note, me and my friends speak pretty much like the characters in Clerks do. I guess that's why I never really took notice and wondered what the big deal was with the language in the film.

[Buccaneer]

What a suprise! ;)

Just for context's sake, can you give us your top 5 favorite movies?

Godfather 1
Godfather 2
Raiders of the Lost Ark
Gettysburg
Excalibur

Want more?
Field of Dreams
Pirates of the Caribbean
Good, Bad and Ugly
Ocean's 11
Harry Potter

[Cringer]

Godfather 1
Godfather 2
Raiders of the Lost Ark
Gettysburg
Excalibur

Want more?
Field of Dreams
Pirates of the Caribbean
Good, Bad and Ugly
Ocean's 11
Harry Potter

Your list, as is anyone else's, is crap without Strange Brew on it.

[Crapshoot]

Ugh. I enjoy Smith - and anyone who took JSBSB seriously needs to get their heads rexamined. It wasn't a movie - it was a big inside joke to those who were amused by the View Askew universe, and he made absolutely no effort to sell it as anything else.

[Grammaticus]

Have you ever wonder how much the average jizz-mopper makes per hour?


And just to note, me and my friends speak pretty much like the characters in Clerks do. I guess that's why I never really took notice and wondered what the big deal was with the language in the film.
The whole conversation about the girl who only had sex with three other guys, but didn't count the 37 guys who's dicks she sucked was too funny.

Heck, it even inspired a US President.

[Joe]

The whole conversation about the girl who only had sex with three other guys, but didn't count the 37 guys who's dicks she sucked was too funny.

Heck, it even inspired a US President.

which president had sex with 3 other guys?

[Grammaticus]

which president had sex with 3 other guys?
I don't know, but one US president comes to mind that used her definition of a blow job not counting as having sex with someone.

[JeeberD]

What a suprise! ;)


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[kcchief19]

Your list, as is anyone else's, is crap without Strange Brew on it.
Take off, eh.

[Pumpy Tudors]

This thread should now be about Pee Wee's Playhouse. I don't really watch TV, but I would watch that.

Larry Fishburne!

[Subby]

This thread should now be about Pee Wee's Playhouse. I don't really watch TV, but I would watch that.

Larry Fishburne!
And Phil Hartman!

[Pumpy Tudors]

And Phil Hartman!
Kleenex, please.

[Fidatelo]

Kleenex, please.

I didn't realise that Phil Hartman turned you on. In the future, please keep information like that to yourself.

[RendeR]

On another note of suckitude, what is up with adultswim brining back PeeWee's Playhouse.

Between that, Tom Goes to the Mayor, and the other drek they're showing, I must admit, AS has lost its luster.

/tk


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[GrantDawg]

Watched the original last night. Still one of the most over-rated movies ever. Had some decent dialog which was destroyed by horrible actors.
Chasing Amy was his best, but had the worst ending ever.

[Subby]

I have always felt that Kevin Smith would be at his best ceoncentrating on writing scripts and leaving the directing to someone else. I really think he is a horrible director - stuff that can't be explained away by low budgets...

[ISiddiqui]

That movie had its moments. It was nice to look back and see all of the different characters Jay and Bob interacted with. It certaintly wasn't one of Smith's best movies, but it wasn't all that bad.

Indeed... it was just a big joke, nothing serious involved there. Just for fans really.

I'm looking forward to Clerks II. I didn't think Clerks 1 was as good as the hype, but I really liked Dogma & Chasing Amy.

[Pumpy Tudors]

I didn't realise that Phil Hartman turned you on. In the future, please keep information like that to yourself.
How could Phil Hartman not turn someone on? I loved Phil Hartman. :(

[Fidatelo]

How could Phil Hartman not turn someone on? I loved Phil Hartman. :(

Because he was a 50 year old man? Hey, I'm all for enjoying the mans comedic talents, but you won't see me killing any kittens while watching an episode of News Radio.

[BrianD]

I'm looking forward to Clerks II. I didn't think Clerks 1 was as good as the hype, but I really liked Dogma & Chasing Amy.

Out of curiosity, did you see Clerks before or after you heard the hype? I saw the movie after and I also thought it wasn't worth the hype. After getting away from the hype though, I've come to appreciate how good and different it was.

[Toddzilla]

Kevin Smith tested the movie in front of a hand-picked house full of people who loved the original Clerks - probably fans from his View Askew website. IIRC, they absolutely loved the movie. Which makes sense, since Clerks 2 is nothing other than a movie made especially for fans of the first.

If you didn't <strike>like</strike> love the original, then you have no business going to see this one. Pretty simple.

[BrianD]

He also showed the movie at the Cannes film festival where it did very well. I do agree with your general point that people will probably feel about the second movie much as they felt about the first movie.

[terpkristin]

I dunno. As I said, I'm a fan of Kevin Smith. I drink the Kevin Smith Kool-Aid, as it were. I saw Clerks before it got overhyped and loved it. I think Mallrats was his worst effort. I appreciated what he did with Jay & Silent Bob (heck, I own all his movies but the latest, Jersey Girl), but I think I'm going to have a tough time justifying to myself spending $10 to see Clerks 2 in the theater...just my $0.02, anyway. :D

And I stand by what I said about PeeWee's Playhouse. BLECH.

/tk

[dervack]

He also showed the movie at the Cannes film festival where it did very well. I do agree with your general point that people will probably feel about the second movie much as they felt about the first movie.
8-minute standing ovation. I'm looking forward to it.

[BrianD]

I dunno. As I said, I'm a fan of Kevin Smith. I drink the Kevin Smith Kool-Aid, as it were. I saw Clerks before it got overhyped and loved it. I think Mallrats was his worst effort. I appreciated what he did with Jay & Silent Bob (heck, I own all his movies but the latest, Jersey Girl), but I think I'm going to have a tough time justifying to myself spending $10 to see Clerks 2 in the theater...just my $0.02, anyway. :D

/tk

I haven't seen Jersey Girl, and I agree that Mallrats was probably his worst (of those I've seen). It is too bad really because there was some good stuff in Mallrats, but the acting was just so bad. I'm going to see Clerks 2 when it comes out and I hope I'm not disappointed. If I can keep myself from getting too excited about it, I might be able to avoid disappointment.

[Fidatelo]

Mallrats is my favorite one. Personally I find the bad acting in the movies endearing, Randall is my favorite character from any of the movies and he was the worst actor of the bunch.

[Bearcat729]

but you won't see me killing any kittens while watching an episode of News Radio.

Many kittens should be scared when Maura Tierney is on TV.

[sabotai]

Mallrats is my favorite one. Personally I find the bad acting in the movies endearing, Randall is my favorite character from any of the movies and he was the worst actor of the bunch.

I'm sort of the same way. I don't really pay much attention to how good the acting is in "stupid comedies". If someone gives a horrible performance in a historic epic or crime drama, and other "serious" movies, it'll bother me. But for "stupid comedies" and to a lesser extent horror movies, it's not the reason I'm watching them. Stupid comedies are for laughing and horror is for fucked up shit happening. The only thing that would bother me is if the horrible acting really screws up the delivery of the jokes, but that usually doesn't happen.

[BrianD]

I'm sort of the same way. I don't really pay much attention to how good the acting is in "stupid comedies". If someone gives a horrible performance in a historic epic or crime drama, and other "serious" movies, it'll bother me. But for "stupid comedies" and to a lesser extent horror movies, it's not the reason I'm watching them. Stupid comedies are for laughing and horror is for fucked up shit happening. The only thing that would bother me is if the horrible acting really screws up the delivery of the jokes, but that usually doesn't happen.

I usually have a pretty high tolerance for bad acting in these types of movies, but Jeremy London was just nails on a chalkboard bad. He was so bad that I couldn't look past it. By way of comparison, there were plenty of sub-par performances in Clerks, but none that really bothered me.

[ISiddiqui]

Out of curiosity, did you see Clerks before or after you heard the hype? I saw the movie after and I also thought it wasn't worth the hype. After getting away from the hype though, I've come to appreciate how good and different it was.

After. It is different, and has some fun one liners, but really is no where near the hype was at the time I saw it... especially since I'm from New Jersey and had a bunch of friends say I had to see it (my best friend, back right after it was released [before I knew her], drove around with her friends one day to try to find the convenience store where they filmed Clerks... yeah, I know).

[BrianD]

After. It is different, and has some fun one liners, but really is no where near the hype was at the time I saw it... especially since I'm from New Jersey and had a bunch of friends say I had to see it (my best friend, back right after it was released [before I knew her], drove around with her friends one day to try to find the convenience store where they filmed Clerks... yeah, I know).

Telling someone they have to see a movie is a good way to ensure they won't like it. When people talk about a movie, mob-mentality sets in and the quality of the movie goes up with every re-telling. Very few movies can live up to mob-mentality over-hyping.

[cthomer5000]

Kevin Smith movies are enjoyable. Nothing wrong with just wanting to be entertained and hear a lot of New Jersey references once in a while.

I'm probably the lone guy who likes Mallrats best.

[Groundhog]

I saw Clerks and Mallrats back when I was a young, naive teen and really liked them then. Haven't seen either one in years though. Same with Chasing Amy - in fact, I pretty much can't remember anything about that movie.

Dogma on the other hand I've seen a few times and I really like it still. It's my favourite of all his films and probably the most "intelligent" - not that being intelligent is a must for movies I like.

Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back was a fun, dumb film, but I doubt I'll ever watch it again.

I haven't seen any ads for Clerks 2, nor did I even know they were making one until I saw this thread. Unless a friend drags me along to it, I doubt I'll catch it.

[sabotai]

Telling someone they have to see a movie is a good way to ensure they won't like it. When people talk about a movie, mob-mentality sets in and the quality of the movie goes up with every re-telling. Very few movies can live up to mob-mentality over-hyping.

I noticed that too. If someone tells me I'm going to love a movie, usually expectations get too high. On the other hand, if someone tells me a movie will suck, I go in with no expectations and usually get some value out of it.

[ISiddiqui]

Probably true... I waited far too long to see it. I say that because since I was from Jersey, whenever one of my friends heard I've never seen Clerks, I was told I had to go see it (we Jerseyites get excited when we get noticed... for good).

[Easy Mac]

I'll third the Mallrats was my favorite. Jason Lee at his best (Earl is just an OK show for me). And anything with the London's means great times (Mallrats, Dazed and Confused, Party of Five, 7th Heaven, Dracula 2)...

[saldana]

Kevin Smith movies are enjoyable. Nothing wrong with just wanting to be entertained and hear a lot of New Jersey references once in a while.

I'm probably the lone guy who likes Mallrats best.

i liked mallrats just fine...the bad acting was amusing to me....clerks 1 had its moments, i personally love the hockey scene where he screams about only having one ball, where other scenes like the guy with the eggs and the funeral scene were both meh. Dogma is probably my favorite V.A. movie because it actually has decent acting and a decent plot (the alan rickman parts are pretty good, and alanis morrisette as God is a good bit).

As for Chasing Amy....i thought it sucked...watched it once, will never watch it again. Joey Adams has the most annoying voice short of Fran Drescher on the planet, and i thought the story was predictable and stupid

[cthomer5000]

Dogma is probably my favorite V.A. movie because it actually has decent acting and a decent plot (the alan rickman parts are pretty good, and alanis morrisette as God is a good bit).

Linda Fiorentino is absolutely brutally bad. I think she turns in the worst acting performance of anyone in any of the Kevin Smith movies. I like the movie when i first saw it, but thought it was terrible upon rewatching.

[saldana]

Linda Fiorentino is absolutely brutally bad. I think she turns in the worst acting performance of anyone in any of the Kevin Smith movies. I like the movie when i first saw it, but thought it was terrible upon rewatching.


yeah, but she was hot.

as for the worst performances ever, affleck in mallrats was utterly horrendous, and lets not forget that shannon doherty was in that too (although also hot)

[BrianD]

Linda Fiorentino is absolutely brutally bad. I think she turns in the worst acting performance of anyone in any of the Kevin Smith movies. I like the movie when i first saw it, but thought it was terrible upon rewatching.

I like Dogma as well, but Fiorentino's performance is terrible. I'd rate hers as the second worst performance in any of Smith's movies.

Regarding hyping movies...I try very hard to give reviews only slightly off of center. A simple "I think you'll like it" is about as far as I'll go. I've had so many movies fail to live up to hype that I try to avoid the same situation.

[cthomer5000]

yeah, but she was hot.

as for the worst performances ever, affleck in mallrats was utterly horrendous, and lets not forget that shannon doherty was in that too (although also hot)

Neither is close to the worst in that movie. Jeremy London, baby...

[stevew]

Linda Fiorentino is absolutely brutally bad. I think she turns in the worst acting performance of anyone in any of the Kevin Smith movies. I like the movie when i first saw it, but thought it was terrible upon rewatching.


Pretty well how I feel.

[Joe]

yeah, but she was hot.

No.

[Grammaticus]

and lets not forget that shannon doherty was in that too (although also hot)
Is that skank still hot? I'm sure she's an absolute train wreck by now.

[saldana]

Is that skank still hot? I'm sure she's an absolute train wreck by now.
havent seen her lately, but mallrats was in like 1997 or 98...i thought she was still pretty good then

[KWhit]

Didn't care for Clerks at all. Some of the dialogue was funny, but it takes a lot more than that to make a good movie, IMO.

[Toddzilla]

8-minute standing ovation. I'm looking forward to it.Jeez, you could pave the road from here to Hollywood with all the movies that got a huge reception at Cannes and were complete tank-jobs in the US.

Cannes standing "O" = squadoosh

[BrianD]

Jeez, you could pave the road from here to Hollywood with all the movies that got a huge reception at Cannes and were complete tank-jobs in the US.

Cannes standing "O" = squadoosh

Basically it means that some people think it is not crap. I can't imagine even a movie like this doing well at Cannes unless some people in attendance were fans of the earlier movies. This movie probably won't earn many new fans or much new acclaim, but if it satisfies the current fans, that means there is a decent change that I'll enjoy it.

[scooper]

Count me in among the few mallrats fans in this thread. Then again, I was working in a record store in a mall at the time. Oddly enough, there really was a self contained sub culture as was portrayed in the movie and many of the jokes hit home, which made them funnier to me.