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Got a pretty funny, well to some of us, story. Two nights ago we are at my friends apt. and one of us decided to go on party poker. When we left the kid was up $1500. Come to find out that when my friend who lives in the apt went to sleep (keep in mind it's his computer) my other buddy went on a binge and took out a $6000 credit line on my other friends name and LOST IT ALL. Ok, maybe its not too funny bc this kid is in some pretty deep shit right now but I cant say im surprised, i've seen this kid lose his life before, but at least it was his own money. We looked at his transaction history, he lost about $2000 in a matter of 7 minutes.
saldana
07-11-2006, 07:45 PM
there is one word to describe that kid.....dead....as in i would kill him
bulletsponge
07-11-2006, 07:47 PM
Buy the loser a shovel and tell him to start digging, cause hes in deep sh*t!
sabotai
07-11-2006, 07:47 PM
wow.......
You BETTER update us on what happens. :)
wow.......
You BETTER update us on what happens. :)
Will do. As of right now he's been charged with 3rd degree grand larceny, which is a felony. I should video tape this whole ordeal and make a tv special out of it.
Greyroofoo
07-11-2006, 08:30 PM
wow, just wow
duckman
07-11-2006, 08:32 PM
What a maroon.
stevew
07-11-2006, 08:33 PM
It would be interesting to see the whole semantics of the situation, as it's not legal in some places to be on Party Poker, and the fact that the one guy was on it in the first place would seemingly implicate him in an illegal activity, even though he was stolen from.
RPI-Fan
07-11-2006, 08:39 PM
It would be interesting to see the whole semantics of the situation, as it's not legal in some places to be on Party Poker, and the fact that the one guy was on it in the first place would seemingly implicate him in an illegal activity, even though he was stolen from.
The line of credit doesn't come directly from Party Poker.
stevew
07-11-2006, 08:53 PM
The line of credit doesn't come directly from Party Poker.
Oh, okay, I've never even seen that option anyways.
Vinatieri for Prez
07-11-2006, 10:40 PM
The line of credit doesn't come directly from Party Poker.
Shouldn't matter. Gambling of this type is illegal in the u.s. regardless of who is supplying tha credit line. If you bet, you're breaking the law most of the time. Your buddy could be in trouble. My guess is that cause he was a victim, the cops may let it slide.
An actual serious question, bc I had no clue until I read some comments, but party poker is illegal in the US?
cuervo72
07-11-2006, 10:49 PM
That description almost warrants a flere-diagram.
Daimyo
07-11-2006, 10:51 PM
Shouldn't matter. Gambling of this type is illegal in the u.s. regardless of who is supplying tha credit line. If you bet, you're breaking the law most of the time. Your buddy could be in trouble. My guess is that cause he was a victim, the cops may let it slide.
What did the victim do that is illegal? Party Poker can be used to play non-cash games so the software itself isn't illegal. I guess they could pull his history, but that seems extraneous to the case at hand.
ISiddiqui
07-11-2006, 10:54 PM
:eek: wow... btw, which kid did your friend take out the $6000 credit line on? The person who lived there or the kid who was up $1500 earlier? Or someone else.
Vinatieri for Prez
07-11-2006, 11:32 PM
What did the victim do that is illegal? Party Poker can be used to play non-cash games so the software itself isn't illegal. I guess they could pull his history, but that seems extraneous to the case at hand.
You're right, but the guy was playing a cash game, which is not legal. It's not illegal to have the software. It's illegal to bet with it. It seems in calling the cops, the kid pretty much has to admit he was gambling. No?
-apoc-
07-11-2006, 11:41 PM
It is not illegal to bet (yet) because the wire act doesnt cover casino type games.
:eek: wow... btw, which kid did your friend take out the $6000 credit line on? The person who lived there or the kid who was up $1500 earlier? Or someone else.
The one who was up $1500 earlier in the night took out the credit line on the kid who lived there.
all i have to say is that this guy is a retard....and the guy that let him use his computer wasnt thinking either....another reason i dont let anyone use my pc but me
Vinatieri for Prez
07-12-2006, 12:03 AM
It is not illegal to bet (yet) because the wire act doesnt cover casino type games.
I don't believe this is accurate. First, the Wire Act is a federal law. Many states have specifically outlawed online poker, so engaging it in that state is illegal period. Depending on where the kid was living that would make a difference on whether he broke the law. Second, my research shows that only one federal appeals court has determined the Wire Act does not apply to games of chance but just sports betting. That decision is not binding precedent in other federal jurisdictions and the Department of Justice maintains that they believe online poker does violate the Wire Act, and will prosecute it everywhere else until the Supreme Court steps in OR Congress amends the Act to make it clear it doesn't.
Galaxy
07-12-2006, 12:08 AM
It is not illegal to bet (yet) because the wire act doesnt cover casino type games.
Wrong...It is illegal. Read the other thread.
so pretty much what you're telling me is I shouldn't bet on party poker anymore and also inform my friend (the victim) of this matter.
-apoc-
07-12-2006, 12:16 AM
Many states have specifically outlawed online poker, so engaging it in that state is illegal period. Depending on where the kid was living that would make a difference on whether he broke the law.
The only state that specifically outlaws it is Washington State that I am aware of.
-apoc-
07-12-2006, 12:17 AM
Wrong...It is illegal. Read the other thread.
Which one the one about the House passing the Internet Gambling
Act? Cause that certianly isn't law yet
Vinatieri for Prez
07-12-2006, 12:18 AM
Well, let's say it's likely illegal in your state, but they aren't going to prosecute all 8 million people who do it. It's only when its obvious like when you tell a police officer, "hey I was gambling on online poker last night, and . . . . " Try checking your state laws on this first. If it's ok in your state, I don't think you have to personally worry about federal prosecution.
Vinatieri for Prez
07-12-2006, 12:22 AM
The only state that specifically outlaws it is Washington State that I am aware of.
I found this website, which seems pretty helpful:
http://www.gambling-law-us.com/State-Law-Summary/
Basically, Illinois, Indiana, Louisiana, Nevada, Oregon, South Dakota (businesses only), Washington and Wisconsin expressly outlaw it.
However, sincer virtually every other state makes gambling illegal, it's a good chance that internet gambling would fit the definition even though the statute doesn't specifically say the word "internet" in the statute.
Daimyo
07-12-2006, 09:45 AM
You're right, but the guy was playing a cash game, which is not legal. It's not illegal to have the software. It's illegal to bet with it. It seems in calling the cops, the kid pretty much has to admit he was gambling. No?
I might be confused... the original post wasn't that clear, but here is how i interpreted it when I made my comment (substituting fake names for people to make it clear who did what):
Got a pretty funny, well to some of us, story. Two nights ago we are at Adam's apt. and Bob decided to go on party poker. When Charles, Doug, and Eddy left Bob was up $1500. Come to find out that when Adam went to sleep (keep in mind it's Adam's computer) Bob went on a binge and took out a $6000 credit line in Adam's name and LOST IT ALL. Ok, maybe its not too funny bc Bob is in some pretty deep shit right now but I cant say im surprised, i've seen Bob lose his life before, but at least it was Bob's money. Charles, Doug, and Eddy looked at Bob's transaction history, Bob lost about $2000 in a matter of 7 minutes.
Mustang
07-12-2006, 10:21 AM
JS, weren't you in a bad accident where you and your friend were drinking and now one of your other friends did this to another one of your friends?
If I were you... I'd be re-evaluating my friends...
John Galt
07-12-2006, 10:28 AM
This reminds me of the many criminals over the years who have called the cops to report that someone stole their stash of weed. Several of them seemed to know they were going to be arrested, but still wanted the cops to get the pot back for them.
JS, weren't you in a bad accident where you and your friend were drinking and now one of your other friends did this to another one of your friends?
If I were you... I'd be re-evaluating my friends...
Actually, the whole reason I moved to Maryland to go to school was to get away from them. Not bc I dont like them and wanted to get away, but bc it just seems like my group of friends is like the black hole and it just sucks everyone in who's associated with them.
Lathum
07-12-2006, 12:14 PM
I'm confused about the whole "line of credit" I have never heard of any poker site extending credit to someone?
King of New York
07-12-2006, 12:20 PM
Actually, the whole reason I moved to Maryland to go to school was to get away from them. Not bc I dont like them and wanted to get away, but bc it just seems like my group of friends is like the black hole and it just sucks everyone in who's associated with them.
Wise move, but is Maryland sufficiently far away? You might want to transfer to a school in New Zealand.
I'm confused about the whole "line of credit" I have never heard of any poker site extending credit to someone?
I was curious about this too. I didn't go into great detail with him about exactly what happened, but I never knew they would extend a line of credit to someone. The only thing I can think of is that the person this happened to, he was on a very good run with ppoker and perhaps this is something they do for people who win a lot or contribute a lot to them.
I am too dumb with computers to know how to qutoe 2 things in the same reply, but copy and paste always works. "Wise move, but is Maryland sufficiently far away? You might want to transfer to a school in New Zealand."
Actually i dont think it is far away. I got in my accident on my 1st night home from spring break.
-apoc-
07-12-2006, 02:18 PM
It not really a line of credit I don't think. Basically it works like this IGM-Pay is the company that handles all of Party's fincial transactions. You can link IGM-Pay to your bank account and then do a EFT to IGM from your bank account. The EFT is instant in that IGM will credit your account with that amount but it will not hit your bank until a couple of days later. They obviously have limits but a long time players limit will be around 10k.
Fighter of Foo
07-12-2006, 03:41 PM
It not really a line of credit I don't think. Basically it works like this IGM-Pay is the company that handles all of Party's fincial transactions. You can link IGM-Pay to your bank account and then do a EFT to IGM from your bank account. The EFT is instant in that IGM will credit your account with that amount but it will not hit your bank until a couple of days later. They obviously have limits but a long time players limit will be around 10k.
Yes.
The point is that money was withdrawn without permission which is illegal. Where the money went and what it was used for is irrelevant.
A little update. He went to court, they ordered him to pay $2000 on the 5th of the month starting in September til the total is paid off (not sure if there is any interest or not). It will then be dropped to a misdemeanor(sp?) and all will be forgiven. Otherwise, the felony is back on and he will be prosecuted.
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