Passion of the Mel

[Flasch186]

Mel Gibson arrested for DUI

Friday, July 28, 2006; Posted: 4:13 p.m. EDT (20:13 GMT)



LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) -- Actor and director Mel Gibson was arrested Friday in Malibu, California, and charged with driving under the influence, according to the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Office.

Gibson, 50, was pulled over early Friday while driving on the Pacific Coast Highway, said sheriff's spokesman Steve Whitmore. Officers on patrol reported Gibson was driving at an "excessively fast speed," he said.

He was charged with a misdemeanor and posted $5,000 bond, Whitmore said.

Gibson was not immediately available for comment.

Gibson, who acted in the "Lethal Weapon" movie series, won an Oscar for directing 1995's Oscar-winning best picture "Braveheart."

He reportedly financed the controversial movie "The Passion of the Christ" (2004), which he also directed, with $25 million of his own money. The film made $370 million at the domestic box office and currently ranks No. 10 on the all-time box office list. "Passion of the Christ" was nominated for three Oscars, but won none.

Gibson's latest movie, "Apocalypto," set in the Mayan civilization of several centuries ago, is due in December.

[SunDevil]

Looks like he had a little too much of the grape juice...

[AgustusM]

It always amazes me when people who have enough money to never have to drive anywhere again continue to make this type of stupid mistake.

I would be chauffeured around every time I planned on drinking so much as an old grape soda if I could afford it.

[Flasch186]

i find it Ironic about his religious stance(s) and then does this.

[MJ4H]

Why? Christians are not perfect, you know.

[Greyroofoo]

too much Jesus Juice

[Pyser]

isnt he a recovering alcoholic?

[RedKingGold]

And in further news; Chiefs LT Willie Roaf is retiring after playing in the NFL for 11 seasons.

I'm not sure if thats been mentioned yet...but thats a pretty bigs loss.

[Schmidty]

i find it Ironic about his religious stance(s) and then does this.

That's an ignorant statement.

Christians, or a person of any faith, are not perfect. That's why they have a religion.

[Schmidty]

Dola.

Religious discussions not withstanding, drinking while driving is a an awful, selfish thing to do.

[Bubba Wheels]

i find it Ironic about his religious stance(s) and then does this.

Gibson is a Catholic, and Catholics as a denomination see nothing wrong with 'imbibing', although the Bible does speak very specifically to 'drunkeness'.

[Schmidty]

Gibson is a Catholic, and Catholics as a denomination see nothing wrong with 'imbibing', although the Bible does speak very specifically to 'drunkeness'.

And he was drunk, so what's the point of your post? No offense.

[stevew]

I remember once when the Priest in town here got a DUI.

And if I had the money, like he does, it's chauffer all the way.

[Bubba Wheels]

And he was drunk, so what's the point of your post? No offense.

Well, a 'Christian' would have a problem with drunkeness, many denominations of Christians (Baptists, Pentecostals, etc.) would have a problem with drinking at all. I know many non-denominational Christians that will have a glass of wine or a beer on occasion.

But having grown up a Catholic, I know first-hand that 'drinking to excess' is not neccessarily seen as a problem with your personal faith and walk with God. Most Protestants would dissagree. Not trying to start anything here, just pointing out the differences in how drinking is viewed in general.

A young Christian in the Protestant faith would be seen as 'lacking maturity' by drinking to excess. Drink to excess as you continue to grow older and your very salvation would be questioned, because growing in the faith and closer to God should dampen the desire to drink as your faith replaces it.

One reason many non-denominational Christians believing in the Bible are former Catholics (like myself) is because as Catholics we just didn't see the evidence of a presence of God in our own or other people's lives. Which meant that many church-going people on Sunday were lighting up the bars on Saturday night.

[st.cronin]

It always amazes me when people who have enough money to never have to drive anywhere again continue to make this type of stupid mistake.

I would be chauffeured around every time I planned on drinking so much as an old grape soda if I could afford it.

No kidding. If I had Mel's money, I would turn in my driver's license. ESPECIALLY if I lived someplace like Los Angeles, where driving is a headache.

[terpkristin]

HAHA I keep reading the title of this thread as "Passion of the Me!"

I need help.

/tk

[Schmidty]

HAHA I keep reading the title of this thread as "Passion of the Me!"

I need help.

/tk

That's the title of the home video I'm making of myself while my wife is gone.

[KWhit]

One reason many non-denominational Christians believing in the Bible are former Catholics (like myself) is because as Catholics we just didn't see the evidence of a presence of God in our own or other people's lives. Which meant that many church-going people on Sunday were lighting up the bars on Saturday night.

I have no idea what this means.

[duckman]

i find it Ironic about his religious stance(s) and then does this.

Congratulations, you are the dumbest man on the planet. :rolleyes:

[amdaily]

What I find ironic is that nearly half of the posters in this thread have also posted in the drunk thread tonight, me now included ;)

[Bubba Wheels]

I have no idea what this means.

The things of the cross are foolishness to those who perish.

You have to be 'regenerated.' Born-again. Have met the real God in your own spirit thru His Spirit.

BTW, let me just add, this is what the Bible says and Christians with personal relationships with Christ have experienced. Not my 'personal opinion."

[Flasch186]

Well, after finding this article in Playboy Im not sure why the high standards for him anyways....

Mel Gibson on evolution, women, and political conspiracy theory
This is from a Mel Gibson interview with Playboy magazine in the July 1995 issue.

On evolution:

PLAYBOY: Do you believe in Darwin's theory of evolution or that God created man in his image?

GIBSON: The latter.

PLAYBOY: So you can't accept that we descended from monkeys and apes?

GIBSON: No, I think it's bullshit. If it isn't, why are they still around? How come apes aren't people yet? It's a nice theory, but I can't swallow it. There's a big credibility gap. The carbon dating thing that tells you how long something's been around, how accurate is that, really? I've got one of Darwin's books at home and some of that stuff is pretty damn funny. Some of his stuff is true, like that the giraffe has a long neck so it can reach the leaves. But I just don't think you can swallow the whole piece.

Why does anyone think his first point is a good argument against evolution? I've never heard anyone argue that Italian-Americans couldn't have come from Italy because there are still Italians there.

And I wonder what book by Darwin he has.

On assorted moral issues:

PLAYBOY: We take it that you're not particularly broad-minded when it comes to issues such as celibacy, abortion, birth control.

GIBSON: People always focus on stuff like that. Those aren't issues. Those
are unquestionable. You don't even argue those points.

PLAYBOY: You don't?

GIBSON: No.

On women:

PLAYBOY: What about allowing women to be priests?

GIBSON: No.

PLAYBOY: Why not?

GIBSON: I'll get kicked around for saying it, but men and women are just different. They're not equal. The same way that you and I are not equal.

PLAYBOY: That's true. You have more money.

GIBSON: You might be more intelligent, or you might have a bigger dick. Whatever it is, nobody's equal. And men and women are not equal. I have tremendous respect for women. I love them. I don't know why they want to step down. Women in my family are the center of things. And good things emanate from them. The guys usually mess up.

PLAYBOY: That's quite a generalization.

GIBSON: Women are just different. Their sensibilities are different.

PLAYBOY: Any examples?

GIBSON: I had a female business partner once. Didn't work.

PLAYBOY: Why not?

GIBSON: She was a cunt.

PLAYBOY: And the feminists dare to put you down!

GIBSON: Feminists don't like me, and I don't like them. I don't get their point. I don't know why feminists have it out for me, but that's their problem, not mine.

Interesting that he thinks a woman being a priest would be "a step down." From many occupations, I'd agree.

Gibson on political conspiracy theory:

PLAYBOY: How do you feel about Bill Clinton?

GIBSON: He's a low-level opportunist. Somebody's telling him what to do.

PLAYBOY: Who?

GIBSON: The guy who's in charge isn't going to be the front man, ever. If I were going to be calling the shots I wouldn't make an appearance. Would you? You'd end up losing your head. It happens all the time. All those monarchs. If he's the leader, he's getting shafted. What's keeping him in there? Why would you stay for that kind of abuse? Except that he has to stay for some reason. He was meant to be the president 30 years ago, if you ask me.

PLAYBOY: He was just 18 then.

GIBSON: Somebody knew then that he would be president now.

PLAYBOY: You really believe that?

GIBSON: I really believe that. He was a Rhodes scholar, right? Just like Bob Hawke. Do you know what a Rhodes scholar is? Cecil Rhodes established the Rhodes scholarship for those young men and women who want to strive for a new world order. Have you heard that before? George Bush? CIA? Really, it's Marxism, but it just doesn't want to call itself that. Karl had the right idea, but he was too forward about saying what it was. Get power but don't admit to it. Do it by stealth. There's a whole trend of Rhodes scholars who will be politicians around the world.

PLAYBOY: This certainly sounds like a paranoid sense of world history. You must be quite an assassination buff.

GIBSON: Oh, fuck. A lot of those guys pulled a boner. There's something to do with the Federal Reserve that Lincoln did, Kennedy did and Reagan tried. I can't remember what it was, my dad told me about it. Everyone who did this particular thing that would have fixed the economy got undone. Anyway, I'll end up dead if I keep talking shit.

[Abe Sargent]

Well, a 'Christian' would have a problem with drunkeness, many denominations of Christians (Baptists, Pentecostals, etc.) would have a problem with drinking at all. I know many non-denominational Christians that will have a glass of wine or a beer on occasion.





Take this as a word of advice. Never, ever, ever lump Baptists in the same group with anything. Baptists, as a denominational group are more diverse than many full blown religions. There are thousands of different baptist denominations and individual churches. As such, I'd recommend steering clear of saying things like this.

-Anxiety

[cartman]

Take this as a word of advice. Never, ever, ever lump Baptists in the same group with anything. Baptists, as a denominational group are more diverse than many full blown religions. There are thousands of different baptist denominations and individual churches. As such, I'd recommend steering clear of saying things like this.

-Anxiety
As better put by Emo Phillips:

I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off. So I ran over and said 'Stop! don't do it!'

'Why shouldn't I?' he said.

I said, 'Well, there's so much to live for!'

He said, 'Like what?'

I said, 'Well...are you religious or atheist?'

He said, 'Religious.'

I said, 'Me too!

Are you Christian or Buddhist?'

He said, 'Christian.'

I said, 'Me too!

Are you Catholic or Protestant?'

He said, 'Protestant.'

I said, 'Me too! Are you Episcopalian or Baptist?'

He said, 'Baptist!'

I said, 'Wow! Me too! Are you Baptist Church of God or Baptist Church of the Lord?'

He said, 'Baptist Church of God!'

I said, 'Me too! Are you original Baptist Church of God, or are you reformed Baptist Church of God?'

He said, 'Reformed Baptist Church of God!'

I said, 'Me too! Are you Reformed Baptist Church of God, Reformation of 1879, or Reformed Baptist Church of God, Reformation of 1915?'

He said, 'Reformed Baptist Church of God, Reformation of 1915!'

I said, 'Die, heretic scum,' and pushed him off.

[Abe Sargent]

funny

[AZSpeechCoach]

To echo the Emo Phillips joke, Mel is not a Roman Catholic as we know them. The sect that he believes in doesn't recognize Vatican II. Don't lump him in with all Catholics either.

[Karlifornia]

the most horrifying thing in this entire thread is those playboy interview excerpts. The idiocy of this man is nauseating. Who raised this guy?

[Schmidty]

Who raised this guy?

A human?

[MrBug708]

Hey Flasch, j ust wondering if you knew Clinton was a self proclaimed christian. Why not start a thread about his lewd acts since your taking pot shots at a group of people...

[Johnny Slick]

the most horrifying thing in this entire thread is those playboy interview excerpts. The idiocy of this man is nauseating. Who raised this guy?Seriously, man... have you read stuff by and about his dad? I'm amazed that Mel Gibson has any sense of sanity being brought up by that fube.

[Karlifornia]

Mel is one of those guys who actually has a well-functioning brain, but he was brought up so idiotically that the smarts he may have are dipping from the wrong well.

[Johnny Slick]

A human?Close, but no cigar.

[Flasch186]

Hey Flasch, j ust wondering if you knew Clinton was a self proclaimed christian. Why not start a thread about his lewd acts since your taking pot shots at a group of people...

cuz thats old. How's about Kennedy's lewd acts? Or Marv Albert's? The pot shot wasn't at a group of people, there are many decent and non-hypocritical religious people....Mel just happens not to be one of them.

EDIT to add: And Clinton's mistake IMO as evidenced by the results (thank God Mel didnt kill someone or himself) had much larger and harsher repurcussions....so, I guess, if I was here back then Id have no problem hammering (no pun intended) the guy.

[Dutch]

Stupid Christians.

[RedKingGold]

Stupid Christians.

Throw em' to the Lions!

http://withteeth.com/AreUReady.gif

[st.cronin]

cuz thats old. How's about Kennedy's lewd acts? Or Marv Albert's? The pot shot wasn't at a group of people, there are many decent and non-hypocritical religious people....Mel just happens not to be one of them.

EDIT to add: And Clinton's mistake IMO as evidenced by the results (thank God Mel didnt kill someone or himself) had much larger and harsher repurcussions....so, I guess, if I was here back then Id have no problem hammering (no pun intended) the guy.

If you don't understand Christianity (as clearly you don't) perhaps you should refrain from commenting on it.

[Greyroofoo]

the most horrifying thing in this entire thread is those playboy interview excerpts. The idiocy of this man is nauseating. Who raised this guy?

an australian nazi

[Flasch186]

nowhere in this thread did I mention "Christians". Religion and Faith can be seperate things, Im sorry if you interpreted my disappointment in Mel (pre-Playboy article) as a slap ONLY at Christianity, it was not intended to be that way.

[Joe]

nowhere in this thread did I mention "Christians". Religion and Faith can be seperate things, Im sorry if you interpreted my disappointment in Mel (pre-Playboy article) as a slap ONLY at Christianity, it was not intended to be that way.

lol

[duckman]

nowhere in this thread did I mention "Christians". Religion and Faith can be seperate things, Im sorry if you interpreted my disappointment in Mel (pre-Playboy article) as a slap ONLY at Christianity, it was not intended to be that way.

WTF?

[Flasch186]

you can have faith without religion, they are not the same thing.

Edit to add: it seems, according to Wikipedia, you cant have religion without faith, however....which makes sense.

EDIT to add again: unless of course, someone is faking one or the other.

[duckman]

nowhere in this thread did I mention "Christians". Religion and Faith can be seperate things, Im sorry if you interpreted my disappointment in Mel (pre-Playboy article) as a slap ONLY at Christianity, it was not intended to be that way.

i find it Ironic about his religious stance(s) and then does this.

What was his religion again?

[Flasch186]

I kindly ask you to do the same:

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f109/Flasch186/duckman.jpg

[duckman]

LOL

[Greyroofoo]

how can you stand that yellow skin?

[Flasch186]

how can you stand that yellow skin?

Who you callin' Yella!!!

J/K I didnt know that there were any alternatives.


found it.

Flush is pretty nice :)

[Flasch186]

I give him full credit, now, on this particular issue for stepping up to the plate and addressing this full frontal. He didnt make up an excuse, or claim it was prescription drugs, or something like that. Good for him, on this particular topic....I may not agree with some of his earlier quotes but you have to give him credit for his spine on this and his sincere apology and feelings of being ashamed. This should be an example on how to handle this type of adversity, IMO.



Gibson apologizes for behavior
'I disgraced myself,' star says after 'horrific relapse' and arrest

Saturday, July 29, 2006; Posted: 6:48 p.m. EDT (22:48 GMT)



LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) -- Actor and director Mel Gibson issued a statement on Saturday, apologizing to deputies for his "belligerent behavior" when he was arrested on suspicion of DUI in Malibu the day before.

Gibson said that he has "battled the disease of alcoholism for all of my adult life and profoundly regret my horrific relapse," according to the statement.

Gibson, 50, was pulled over Friday on the scenic Pacific Coast Highway after "deputies were alerted by their radar that his speed was above the posted limit," according to a news release from the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department. (Watch how the arrest casts a different spotlight on Gibson -- 1:28)

When officers approached Gibson they smelled alcohol on his breath, and a Breathalyzer test showed that his blood-alcohol content was 0.12, the sheriff's department release said. The California legal limit is 0.08.

He was taken into custody and later posted $5,000 bond for his release, said sheriff's spokesman Steve Whitmore.

The police did not charge him with driving under the influence because it's the district attorney's duty to decide if the arrest merits charges.

In his statement, Gibson acknowledges that he had been drinking Thursday night and that "I did a number of things that were very wrong and for which I am ashamed. I drove a car when I should not have. ... I feel fortunate that I was apprehended before I caused injury to any other person."

"I acted like a person completely out of control when I was arrested and said things that I do not believe to be true and which are despicable," the statement said. "I am deeply ashamed of everything I said."

He added: "Also, I take this opportunity to apologize to the deputies involved for my belligerent behavior. They have always been there for me in my community and indeed probably saved me from myself. I disgraced myself and my family with my behavior and for that I am truly sorry."

Gibson further said he has long battled alcoholism, and "I apologize for any behavior unbecoming of me in my inebriated state and have already taken necessary steps to ensure my return to health."

Gibson, who acted in the "Lethal Weapon" and "Mad Max" movie series, won an Oscar for directing 1995's Oscar-winning best picture "Braveheart."

He reportedly financed the controversial movie "The Passion of the Christ" (2004), which he also directed, with $25 million of his own money.

The film made $370 million at the domestic box office and ranks No. 10 on the all-time box office list. "The Passion of the Christ" was nominated for three Academy Awards.

Gibson's latest movie, "Apocalypto," set in the Mayan civilization of several centuries ago, is due in December.

[duckman]

It's a good thing that he has your approval. :rolleyes:

[Schmidty]

It's a good thing that he has your approval. :rolleyes:

Dude, I've been critical of Flasch in this thread, but cut the guy some fucking slack.

[Galaxy]

Mel's worth around $750 million...Think could he get a driver or a limo.

[Cringer]

Time for the good stuff.....

hxxp://www.tmz.com/2006/07/28/gibsons-anti-semitic-tirade-alleged-cover-up/

The actor began swearing uncontrollably. Gibson repeatedly said, "My life is f****d." Law enforcement sources say the deputy, worried that Gibson might become violent, told the actor that he was supposed to cuff him but would not, as long as Gibson cooperated. As the two stood next to the hood of the patrol car, the deputy asked Gibson to get inside. Deputy Mee then walked over to the passenger door and opened it. The report says Gibson then said, "I'm not going to get in your car," and bolted to his car. The deputy quickly subdued Gibson, cuffed him and put him inside the patrol car.

TMZ has learned that Deputy Mee audiotaped the entire exchange between himself and Gibson, from the time of the traffic stop to the time Gibson was put in the patrol car, and that the tape fully corroborates the written report.


Once inside the car, a source directly connected with the case says Gibson began banging himself against the seat. The report says Gibson told the deputy, "You mother f****r. I'm going to f*** you." The report also says "Gibson almost continually [sic] threatened me saying he 'owns Malibu' and will spend all of his money to 'get even' with me."

The report says Gibson then launched into a barrage of anti-Semitic statements: "F*****g Jews... The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world." Gibson then asked the deputy, "Are you a Jew?"

The deputy became alarmed as Gibson's tirade escalated, and called ahead for a sergeant to meet them when they arrived at the station. When they arrived, a sergeant began videotaping Gibson, who noticed the camera and then said, "What the f*** do you think you're doing?"

A law enforcement source says Gibson then noticed another female sergeant and yelled, "What do you think you're looking at, sugar tits?"

We're told Gibson took two blood alcohol tests, which were videotaped, and continued saying how "f****d" he was and how he was going to "f***" Deputy Mee.

Gibson was put in a cell with handcuffs on. He said he needed to urinate, and after a few minutes tried manipulating his hands to unzip his pants. Sources say Deputy Mee thought Gibson was going to urinate on the floor of the booking cell and asked someone to take Gibson to the bathroom.

After leaving the bathroom, Gibson then demanded to make a phone call. He was taken to a pay phone and, when he didn't get a dial tone, we're told Gibson threw the receiver against the phone. Deputy Mee then warned Gibson that if he damaged the phone he could be charged with felony vandalism. We're told Gibson was then asked, and refused, to sign the necessary paperwork and was thrown in a detox cell.

[st.cronin]

C'mon now, that's not anti-semitism, that's legitimate criticism of the state of Israel.

[Cringer]

C'mon now, that's not anti-semitism, that's legitimate criticism of the state of Israel.

Actually, I wouldn't have posted it but I liked the 'sugar-tits' line so much I had to.

[cartman]

So, it sounds like Matt and Trey weren't that far off with their depiction of Mel in the South Park episode of "The Passion of the Jew"...

:D

[Galaxy]

Or the Family Guy eposide.

[Joe]

family guy sucks

[Cringer]

family guy sucks


you suck

[Joe]

you suck

I know

[kcchief19]

This is just getting more and more bizarre ... you always knew Mel was f-ed up in the head because he's gone on some of these rants before, but dear lord -- this guy is just a worthless bag of puke.

[Greyroofoo]

family guy sucks

heretic!

[QuikSand]

ping: The Smoking Gun


...get on this shit, please.

[cartman]

ping: The Smoking Gun


...get on this shit, please.

Well, this isn't from TSG, but this is supposedly the arresting report. It's handwritten, and kinda hard to read.

hxxp://cdn.digitalcity.com/tmz_documents/gibson_wm_docs_072806.pdf

[MrBigglesworth]

Or the Family Guy eposide.
Passion of the Christ 2: Crucify This

[Bubba Wheels]

Career over. Luckily for him, he has tons of money now so it won't matter.

[Cringer]

Career over. Luckily for him, he has tons of money now so it won't matter.

Maybe. I am going to try to see Apocalypto still though. Looks good to me.

[Logan]

Career over.

In a thread full of dumb posts, this one takes the cake.

[QuikSand]

Well, this isn't from TSG, but this is supposedly the arresting report. It's handwritten, and kinda hard to read.

hxxp://cdn.digitalcity.com/tmz_documents/gibson_wm_docs_072806.pdf

Good start, but we, the public, really need that audiotape. This has the potential to outdo the Casey Kasem "ponderous" as an all-time classic.

[Dutch]

Wow. I wouldn't go around cursing Jews, and especially if I were a Hollywood actor. What an asshat!

[Bubba Wheels]

In a thread full of dumb posts, this one takes the cake.

Mmmmmmmmm...Cake!

[Jaguars]

Gibson's latest movie, "Apocalypto," set in the Mayan civilization of several centuries ago, is due in December.

Thankfully Mel didn't bite it. He is a gifted director.

[Karlifornia]

I would hazard a guess that Mel's asshattery won't end his career. America is a very, very forgiving place. Well..maybe more forgetful that forgiving.

[Bubba Wheels]

I would hazard a guess that Mel's asshattery won't end his career. America is a very, very forgiving place. Well..maybe more forgetful that forgiving.

We'll see. Mel didn't leave himself any wiggle room. He basically exposes himself as the worst kind of anti-Semite, blaming the Jews for 'all the wars...'???!!!

One of Mel's biggest problems now is that he was a darling of the right, such as myself, who will now drop him like a steaming hot cowchip.

Israeli former PM Benjamin Netinyahou (and I know this isn't right but too lazy to look it up right now) correctly identified Israel's biggest supporters and friends as the U.S. evangelical Christians. Pat Robertson told Michael Eisner on national TV that he, Robertson, has the 'Star of David" stitched inside his underwear. These folks also supported and defended Mel during the whole Passion contraversy.

Not saying Mel's already completed movie coming out in Dec will not do well. Not sure if he gets any breaks afterwards though.

[Maple Leafs]

We'll see. Mel didn't leave himself any wiggle room. He basically exposes himself as the worst kind of anti-Semite, blaming the Jews for 'all the wars...'???!!!
This is clearly a career killer, if there's any justice.

But considering he hasn't really been doing much recently, maybe a bigger question is how does this affect the way Passion of the Christ is viewed? If we know the creator really was a raving anti-Semite, can you movie still be considered a classic?

[cartman]

Not saying Mel's already completed movie coming out in Dec will not do well. Not sure if he gets any breaks afterwards though. You do realize that he makes and funds his own movies, right? He's not dependant on a studio to make his films, so the only way he won't get a break is if he doesn't give himself one.

[Pyser]

We'll see. Mel didn't leave himself any wiggle room. He basically exposes himself as the worst kind of anti-Semite, blaming the Jews for 'all the wars...'???!!!

A lot of jews swore off mel forever after Passion of the Christ.

just saying, this rant wasnt too surprising to us.

[cartman]

Also, if Roman Polanski is still able to make movies, there is no way that this would be a career killer for Mel.

[st.cronin]

Let's not forget Woody Allen, as well.

[spleen1015]

If Americans go see Johnny Depp movies, they'll go see Mel.

[Warhammer]

Gibson is a Catholic, and Catholics as a denomination see nothing wrong with 'imbibing', although the Bible does speak very specifically to 'drunkeness'.

Big difference between imbibing and being drunk. Catholicism does not approve of drunkeness.

[kcchief19]

This is clearly a career killer, if there's any justice.

But considering he hasn't really been doing much recently, maybe a bigger question is how does this affect the way Passion of the Christ is viewed? If we know the creator really was a raving anti-Semite, can you movie still be considered a classic?
I think it will absolutely affect the way the film is viewed from historical standards. I think that 25-50 years from now there won't be any mention of the film that doesn't include a reference to Gibson's alleged anti-semitism. I think it also lends a huge credence to criticism from the Jewish community that the film had some ant-semitic bias.

I think the American public can generally be forgiving. I don't think this will end his career, just his big paydays. Certainly Roman Polanski and Woody Allen are apt comparisons. Both still thrive in their niche. Mel's problem is that he isn't exactly a niche performer -- he's thrived on mainstream successes, which I think will be harder to do now. I don't think anybody in Hollywood will be ready for a while to bank a $100 million production around Mel.

Of course, what he has going for him that Polanski and Allen haven't done is the option to recant. Step one is checking himself into rehab. Step two is making the rounds on Leno and Oprah, opening up his heart, talking about his demons, taking back everything he said and making everyone feel sorry for him. Next he does a Ron Howard Historical Drama for a reduced rate to take a turn for an Oscar. He does that, he can be ready to make Lethal Weapon 5 if Danny Glover can stand the sight of him.

[kcchief19]

Good start, but we, the public, really need that audiotape. This has the potential to outdo the Casey Kasem "ponderous" as an all-time classic.
We definitely need the audiotape.

[molson]

The amazing thing here is that his blood alchohol level was just .12. That's above the legal limit, but it's not THAT drunk. The fact that this guy busted into the jew bashing after drinking approximately a six-pack is pretty distrurbing.

[Logan]

Wait a minute...some of you people REALLY didn't think Gibson was an anti-semite BEFORE this happened?

[st.cronin]

Now that I think about this, I'm almost positive that there are more than enough people in America who don't think Mel Gibson said anything outrageous at all.

[MJ4H]

+those who wont ever notice this.

[st.cronin]

+those who wont ever notice this.

or think it's being blown out of proportion by the (jewish-run) media

[Buccaneer]

Too bad he wasn't a hoops player or a DC politician where he could have had a police escort back home quietly and a PR flak blaming it on the heat or pills or racism.

[Groundhog]

The amazing thing here is that his blood alchohol level was just .12. That's above the legal limit, but it's not THAT drunk. The fact that this guy busted into the jew bashing after drinking approximately a six-pack is pretty distrurbing.

The guy is an alcoholic however. There is a difference between the average Joe being .12 and an alcoholic being .12. I've seen it with my own eyes.

[Groundhog]

If Americans go see Johnny Depp movies, they'll go see Mel.

Why's this? What's up with Johnny Depp? What did I miss?

[Buccaneer]

Why's this? What's up with Johnny Depp? What did I miss?

The late 80s, early 90s?

[st.cronin]

Why's this? What's up with Johnny Depp? What did I miss?

Well, I've heard that he was either the guy who sold River Phoenix the fatal dose, or that it was his dealer who did.

[Pyser]

Well, I've heard that he was either the guy who sold River Phoenix the fatal dose, or that it was his dealer who did.

So?

[Groundhog]

Well, I've heard that he was either the guy who sold River Phoenix the fatal dose, or that it was his dealer who did.

Oh, drugs. I doubt many people would be too worried about that. I'm sure 90% of the big names in Hollywood are coked out of their minds on a regular basis.

[st.cronin]

So?

Well, if i remember my gossip correctly, that was supposed to make him a pariah in Hollywood - nobody would work with him. So, I don't know - that's what I thought the point of bringing up his name was.

[Bonegavel]

Lethal Crucifixion IV, Jesus is back and he's pissed as Mel.

[Buccaneer]

So?

Drugs are cool.

[Pyser]

Drugs are cool.

yeah man. that was my point.

not, say, so depp didnt force river to take the drugs, or that quantity, and it was depps job to monitor just how many river had taken that night.

no, not at all.

[Flasch186]

well, since the mugshot was released I dont know why anyone is surprised.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f109/Flasch186/gibson.jpg

[Subby]

Too bad he wasn't a hoops player or a DC politician where he could have had a police escort back home quietly and a PR flak blaming it on the heat or pills or racism.
Ping: Bitter Old Man...

Celebrities routinely get special treatment from law enforcement. And I think some of them might have publicists...

[Joe]

Well, I've heard that he was either the guy who sold River Phoenix the fatal dose, or that it was his dealer who did.

And he was deemed not responsible in the death, with the other owners of the Viper Room.

[Galaxy]

Man, Tom Cruise and Mel Gibson should get together and have a couch-jumping party!

[Grammaticus]

Too bad he wasn't a hoops player or a DC politician where he could have had a police escort back home quietly and a PR flak blaming it on the heat or pills or racism.
I don't know, some politicians hit the police officers.

[King of New York]

Mel Gibson killed River Phoenix?

[Grammaticus]

River Phoenix is jewish?

[Buccaneer]

Subby, I guess Mel Gibson is not much of a celebrity then.

[Buccaneer]

Mel Gibson's Sympathy Plea (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/)

Don’t believe for a second the new stories that Mel Gibson was "suicidal" on Friday night because of his alcoholism.

I do believe he wishes he were dead — since his career is — but that’s another story. Right now, Gibson is in a heavier spin mode than a washing machine.

The first move was the claim that he’d been a raging out-of-control alcoholic for years. This was news to those of us who’ve seen him go from movie to movie with laser-like focus. If Gibson had been a wild drinker all this time, then he really deserved an Academy Award.

In Hollywood, he’s always been a hard-working — if unpopular — producer, director and actor. If he’d been hitting the bottle night and day, it would have been impossible for him to produce and direct epics like "Braveheart" and "The Passion of the Christ," build a church and real estate complex in Malibu and star in "What Women Want," over the past decade.

No, I do believe that breathless revelations now about Gibson are designed for sympathy only. But he’s not going to get it. For one thing, Gibson has not — I repeat in capital letters HAS NOT — entered into a serious rehab program for alcohol of any kind. He’s going to AA meetings, but he has not checked himself into a 28-day program at a place like the Betty Ford Clinic or Hazelden.

The director of such a program was quoted yesterday by wire services commenting on Gibson’s choice of rehab. This guy is right in Malibu at the Promises center. If Gibson were serious about his drinking or his apology, he wouldn’t have to travel more than a couple of miles to make it happen. The fact is he just isn't.

On the other hand, some people in Hollywood are already stepping up to the plate and criticizing Gibson for what he’s done. Ari Emanuel, the star agent at Endeavor, has already called for a boycott of working with Gibson until this entire scandal is sorted out. Bravo!

Integrity is in short supply in the film business. It takes guts for Emanuel to take this position. ABC-TV has joined in by cancelling Gibson’s proposed Holocaust mini-series. The next step will be for Disney to postpone or cancel its release of Gibson’s film "Apocalypto," due in December.


I guess we can now add "raging out-of-control alcoholic" and "suicidal" to the excuse list. The problem is that none of these get at the root of the problem.

[Samdari]

Well, I've heard that he was either the guy who sold River Phoenix the fatal dose, or that it was his dealer who did.

The fact that you have to tell people this means it is not comparable to the Mel Gibson thing - that has a paper trail and has gotten saturation coverage in the mainstream press.

[kcchief19]

I guess we can now add "raging out-of-control alcoholic" and "suicidal" to the excuse list. The problem is that none of these get at the root of the problem.
Which is that he's a bigoted dumbass?

[kcchief19]

Subby, I guess Mel Gibson is not much of a celebrity then.
I think Subby's original point is that it isn't only DC council members and basketball players who get special treatment from time to time.

And Mel allegedly reserve significant special treatement in this case. There are allegations that the officer who wrote the original arrest report was ordered to rewrite it to take out the anti-semitism because it was "too inflammatory" and would create a ruckus. There is an investigation on-going now to see if there was an attempt to cover this up.

[Drake]

If he makes movies I want to see, I still don't care what his politics are. He can hate whoever he wants in his secret heart of hearts. It's none of my business.

Isn't that what we all decided when we told celebrities to shut up about their politics?

[Drake]

dola...

I say this as someone with plenty of personal foibles, prejudices and ugly secrets. The fact that I'm not Mel Gibson means that you'll likely never know what those are. I'm not going to pretend I'm better than he is.

[JonInMiddleGA]

The fact that you have to tell people this means it is not comparable to the Mel Gibson thing - that has a paper trail and has gotten saturation coverage in the mainstream press.

It also says a lot about the motivations of why this has gotten saturation coverage in the mainstream press.

And that has little to nothing to do with anybody being Jewish.

[kcchief19]

It also says a lot about the motivations of why this has gotten saturation coverage in the mainstream press.

And that has little to nothing to do with anybody being Jewish.
I think part of the motivation is that Gibson has been known to have an anti-semitic tilt for many years, and aside from the fact that his father was an infamous Holocaust denier there was never a smoking gun. Now that people have a smoking gun, they are running with it.

Then there is the craving that we have about tearing people down whenever we have the chance. That's a common denominator.

[Hurst2112]

Now that I think about this, I'm almost positive that there are more than enough people in America who don't think Mel Gibson said anything outrageous at all.

It's quite sad really. I don't really get bothered by what he said under the influence. The fact that anybody relapses and has an episode like this is sad. Perhaps I'm a little jaded because I saw my own family members do some horrible, stupid shit drunk or high. Perhaps it's because I have done horrible, stupid shit when I was drunk or high.

I tend to look past the comments and focus on his obvious problem that he has with addiction.

Was it outrageous? Yes. Do I agree or support? Hell no. Do I (pun intended) crucify him for it...not at all.

[spleen1015]

Why's this? What's up with Johnny Depp? What did I miss?

Sorry, forgot about this thred until now.

Johnny Depp and his family live in France. He has publically stated that he won't raise his children in this country because it's society is all screwed up. The guy makes millions of dollars off of the folks he is screwed up. I have boycotted his movies for about 5 years.

[spleen1015]

Dola,

hxxp://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/Movies/09/03/depp.us.reax.reut/

I belive this is the story that got me to dislike Johnny Depp. He won't live here because of this, but he will profit off of us? It annoys the hell out of me.

[Deattribution]

Sorry, forgot about this thred until now.

Johnny Depp and his family live in France. He has publically stated that he won't raise his children in this country because it's society is all screwed up. The guy makes millions of dollars off of the folks he is screwed up. I have boycotted his movies for about 5 years.

And judging by his last movie (Pirates of the Carribean 2) your boycott is a raging success :p


Seriously though, what Depp said wasn't all that terrible considering while our society does excel in some areas (especially compared to others), it is really screwed up in alot of others. If he thinks he's found a better place, more power to him, atleast he actually did something about it and left - better than say Michael Moore whining about it and not leaving.

[spleen1015]

And judging by his last movie (Pirates of the Carribean 2) your boycott is a raging success :p


Seriously though, what Depp said wasn't all that terrible considering while our society does excel in some areas (especially compared to others), it is really screwed up in alot of others. If he thinks he's found a better place, more power to him, atleast he actually did something about it and left - better than say Michael Moore whining about it and not leaving.

I'm alright with him leaving. I just don't think he should be gaining profit from something that he dislikes so much.

[Deattribution]

I'm alright with him leaving. I just don't think he should be gaining profit from something that he dislikes so much.


See the Michael Moore remark... and countless others, our entire society is full of people who hate america but don't want to leave it. Still profiting from it... Again, atleast he did more than complain and stay.

[st.cronin]

Well, he may be profiting off the US, but he's also paying taxes and contributing to the economy. I don't find much fault for his pretensions.

[Greyroofoo]

god help us if someone tries to bring attention to the nations problems.

Also, where and when did Michael Moore ever say he hated America?

[Deattribution]

dola

and to add, while I like Depp's acting, I have no bias toward him either way as I don't know the guy, nor have I listened to him talk enough to really care what he does beyond his movie roles... I just can't take something like that as harsh when people say twice as worse everyday while living here.

[yabanci]

I guess we can now add "raging out-of-control alcoholic" and "suicidal" to the excuse list. The problem is that none of these get at the root of the problem.

heh, just for kicks, let's look back at what was being said a few days ago...

I give him full credit, now, on this particular issue for stepping up to the plate and addressing this full frontal. He didnt make up an excuse, or claim it was prescription drugs, or something like that. Good for him, on this particular topic....I may not agree with some of his earlier quotes but you have to give him credit for his spine on this and his sincere apology and feelings of being ashamed. This should be an example on how to handle this type of adversity, IMO.

[Honolulu_Blue]

god help us if someone tries to bring attention to the nations problems.

Also, where and when did Michael Moore ever say he hated America?

Apparently not agreeing with or crtiticizing the president and current administration = hating America.

[Deattribution]

He was willing to say he would move to canada if Bush won the election, which - he didn't do obviously... It was obviously just a ploy for some more hype, but regardless - he must not like it too much if one guy can drive him away.

Depp didn't like it, Depp moved... no issue.

Hating america was a bit broader brush than I should have used, but I was going off the same gist of the story that Depp had issues with our goverment, society ect.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Depp had issues with our goverment, society ect.

As does any sane, rational, right-minded person. ;)

[Honolulu_Blue]

Dola.

Though, to be fair. France's government and society have plenty issues of their own. Though it's harder to understand exactly what's going on because it's foreign and they all speak French. Perhaps that help Depp deal with it better.

[st.cronin]

Dola.

Though, to be fair. France's government and society have plenty issues of their own. Though it's harder to understand exactly what's going on because it's foreign and they all speak French. Perhaps that help Depp deal with it better.

lol ... so true, all of it

[Groundhog]

Sorry, forgot about this thred until now.

Johnny Depp and his family live in France. He has publically stated that he won't raise his children in this country because it's society is all screwed up. The guy makes millions of dollars off of the folks he is screwed up. I have boycotted his movies for about 5 years.

You've missed some good movies.

[Riggins44]

If he makes movies I want to see, I still don't care what his politics are. He can hate whoever he wants in his secret heart of hearts. It's none of my business.

Isn't that what we all decided when we told celebrities to shut up about their politics?

Yeah, I've always wished actors and musicians would just keep their political/religious beliefs to themselves.

In Mel's case... so what. He was drunk and probably said some stupid things. Woopty doo. He's not my dad, brother, uncle, cousin or friend.

[cartman]

If I could swing it, I'd move to the French Riviera as well. That was my favorite place to visit when I was living overseas. Nice, Cannes, Monaco, all incredible places.

[Groundhog]

Yeah, I've always wished actors and musicians would just keep their political/religious beliefs to themselves.

In Mel's case... so what. He was drunk and probably said some stupid things. Woopty doo. He's not my dad, brother, uncle, cousin or friend.

I agree. I think it's stupid what he said, but I've heard my friends say worse stuff than that after a couple (too many) drinks. As someone in the public eye he should be smarter, but I'm not going to boycott his movies over it, no more than I'd boycott a good movie if it's lead actor came out and said that all Australians are pieces of shit. I could care less what they are like when the cameras are off.

[TroyF]

You've missed some good movies.


And that's what makes it a good boycott.

It's pointless to boycott things you hate anyway. "Gee, I really hate to eat tuna and those jack asses keep killing dolphins, so I'm going to boycott tuna from now on"

What does that do? A good boycott relies on the fact you actually like or enjoy the thing you are boycotting. You are taking money back which you would have spent, not keeping the money in your pocket where it would always have been anyway.

[kcchief19]

And that's what makes it a good boycott.

It's pointless to boycott things you hate anyway. "Gee, I really hate to eat tuna and those jack asses keep killing dolphins, so I'm going to boycott tuna from now on"

What does that do? A good boycott relies on the fact you actually like or enjoy the thing you are boycotting. You are taking money back which you would have spent, not keeping the money in your pocket where it would always have been anyway.
But what's the point? A good boycott is something that brings about change that is needed, such as using boycotts to end racial oppression and apartheid. So you don't go see a Johnny Depp movie. If it makes you feel better, OK, but unless a few million people join with you, Johnny's going to be doing just fine living in the south of French on a big pile of money with many beautiful women. Doesn't really seem like that big of a deal.

I do understand it though, and I'll admit to doing the same thing from time to time. I don't shop at any grocery store that makes me get one of those damn track-your-purchases-and-send-you-pointless-advertising cards in order to get the lowest available price. I don't exactly thing of it is a boycott, though.

[kcchief19]

Johnny Depp and his family live in France. He has publically stated that he won't raise his children in this country because it's society is all screwed up. The guy makes millions of dollars off of the folks he is screwed up. I have boycotted his movies for about 5 years.
Then again, in the early '90s U2 used to get crowds in Europe on their feet and cheering during concerts by leading chants of "Fuck the USA," then would come over here and get people to shove $150 over for a nosebleed seat to the Zoo TV tour.

I don't know if it's true in your case, spleen, but I think sometimes a lot of us look for a reason to not do something we don't really care about anyway. I think the best reason to "boycott" something is because you don't like it. I hate Nicholas Cage. I boycott every Nic Cage movie there is. I don't boycott his movies for political reasons -- I just boycott his movies because he grates on my nerves like a Billy Joel CD grates on QuikSand.

[Subby]

Yeah, I've always wished actors and musicians would just keep their political/religious beliefs to themselves.I feel the same away, except substitute "socially inept text sim message board enthusiasts" for "actors and musicians"...

[SunDevil]

Actually, he does not really live in France full time anymore. A couple of years ago he bought an island in the caribbean and is raising his children between his homes in the US, France, and the island. I honestly read way too many entertainment stories. I thought it was cool to own an island though, I mean up until a hurricane appears.

[Crapshoot]

I feel the same away, except substitute "socially inept text sim message board enthusiasts" for "actors and musicians"...

Nicely played.

[Drake]

...like a Billy Joel CD grates on QuikSand...

I read this as "like Billy Joel grates on QuikSand". It was a very kinky image...especially when one takes Quik's rump roast sized meat hooks into account.

[Glengoyne]

Just quickly scanning this thread. Any supporting evidence coming forth regarding the wild Jews are running the world crap? Or just the unsubstantiated quotes in the article?

Not an apologist, but come on, I need more proof than second or third hand reports to declare that he is a full blown anti-semite Nazi sympathizer.

[Logan]

Just quickly scanning this thread. Any supporting evidence coming forth regarding the wild Jews are running the world crap? Or just the unsubstantiated quotes in the article?

Not an apologist, but come on, I need more proof than second or third hand reports to declare that he is a full blown anti-semite Nazi sympathizer.

Unbelievable.

What would be "proof?" A swastika on his chest?

[Galaxy]

I'm alright with him leaving. I just don't think he should be gaining profit from something that he dislikes so much.


He dislikes the Bush/US government, not so much the people. Not exactly sure how he is profiting from the movies from the Bush government.

But living in France, does he have to pay French taxes?

[Galaxy]

If I could swing it, I'd move to the French Riviera as well. That was my favorite place to visit when I was living overseas. Nice, Cannes, Monaco, all incredible places.


Monaco is a surreal place.

If I had big-time money, I would live in London full-time.

[cartman]

Just quickly scanning this thread. Any supporting evidence coming forth regarding the wild Jews are running the world crap? Or just the unsubstantiated quotes in the article?

Not an apologist, but come on, I need more proof than second or third hand reports to declare that he is a full blown anti-semite Nazi sympathizer.

In post 62 I put a link to a PDF of the arresting officer's report that has the quotes in it.

[cartman]

Monaco is a surreal place.

If I had big-time money, I would live in London full-time.

Dola,

I didn't really enjoy living in London so much. It was way too crowded for my tastes. And it would take big-time money, it is incredibly expensive there. My apartment was around 800 pounds per week, and it was only a one-bedroom! :eek:

[Logan]

In post 62 I put a link to a PDF of the arresting officer's report that has the quotes in it.

That wouldn't be good enough for him, since its a "secondhand report" (which, by the way, police say is backed up by a recording).

But apparently this bullshit statement he issued where he apologized for these "unsubstantiated quotes" isn't enough.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/Movies/08/01/gibson.statement/index.html

There is no excuse, nor should there be any tolerance, for anyone who thinks or expresses any kind of anti-Semitic remark. I want to apologize specifically to everyone in the Jewish community for the vitriolic and harmful words that I said to a law enforcement officer the night I was arrested on a DUI charge.

I am a public person, and when I say something, either articulated and thought out, or blurted out in a moment of insanity, my words carry weight in the public arena. As a result, I must assume personal responsibility for my words and apologize directly to those who have been hurt and offended by those words.

...

I am in the process of understanding where those vicious words came from during that drunken display, and I am asking the Jewish community, whom I have personally offended, to help me on my journey through recovery.

...

This is about real life and recognizing the consequences hurtful words can have.

[st.cronin]

I would think him apologizing for something would convince anybody that he had, in fact, been guilty what he was apologizing for.

[Galaxy]

Dola,

I didn't really enjoy living in London so much. It was way too crowded for my tastes. And it would take big-time money, it is incredibly expensive there. My apartment was around 800 pounds per week, and it was only a one-bedroom! :eek:


True about London. How did you like Monaco?

[cartman]

True about London. How did you like Monaco?

I didn't live there, only visited. I was in Milan, which was only 3 hours away. But I loved Monte Carlo. It is probably my favorite place on Earth. I went to the Casino, and won around 500 Euro on the slots. I wasn't dressed well enough to play at the tables. :)

[Galaxy]

I didn't live there, only visited. I was in Milan, which was only 3 hours away. But I loved Monte Carlo. It is probably my favorite place on Earth. I went to the Casino, and won around 500 Euro on the slots. I wasn't dressed well enough to play at the tables. :)

Dressd well enough? Monaco is the richest place on earth, and lives like it. :)

[Logan]

I would think him apologizing for something would convince anybody that he had, in fact, been guilty what he was apologizing for.

Sadly, I think there's plenty of people who still wouldn't be able to grasp the fact.

[kcchief19]

I feel the same away, except substitute "socially inept text sim message board enthusiasts" for "actors and musicians"... Subby, if you ever decide to start your own religion, breakaway republic or newsletter, sign me up.

[TroyF]

But what's the point? A good boycott is something that brings about change that is needed, such as using boycotts to end racial oppression and apartheid. So you don't go see a Johnny Depp movie. If it makes you feel better, OK, but unless a few million people join with you, Johnny's going to be doing just fine living in the south of French on a big pile of money with many beautiful women. Doesn't really seem like that big of a deal.

I do understand it though, and I'll admit to doing the same thing from time to time. I don't shop at any grocery store that makes me get one of those damn track-your-purchases-and-send-you-pointless-advertising cards in order to get the lowest available price. I don't exactly thing of it is a boycott, though.

The point of ANY boycott is simple. You are passionate about another person, company or product that you refuse to purchase it or spend your time on it. I don't care if millions of other people worship the ground Depp walks on or if he gets laid by a different beautiful women every night, if I don't want to see his movies based on my beliefs, I won't. (FWIW, I do not boycott Depp movies)

I think people are to hung up on trying to get the world to move with them. Why worry about Depp being ruined as an actor and living out his years in a big screen TV box on Hollywood Blvd? The only thing that matters is if he offends me to the point I choose to avoid his movies.

My initial comment was to the post "you've missed some great movies"

What did he think boycotts were for? To boycott things you hate and would never purchase anyway? I do refuse to see Tom Cruise movies. He crossed the line IMO and I have no interest in giving him any portion of my money. I'm sure he'll come out in a great movie and people will be laughing at me for being the only idiot not to see it. I'll live with it and be ok. The sad thing is, I like Tom Cruise the actor. Always have. But I can't live with myself if I spend money that rewards Tom Cruise the person.

I only have to worry about myself when I rest my head on the pillow. If other people want to give him cash, it's their right.

[thesloppy]

I am completely intrigued by the content of the mysterious, scrapped 'holocaust miniseries' that seems to only get mentioned in passing.

[Glengoyne]

That wouldn't be good enough for him, since its a "secondhand report" (which, by the way, police say is backed up by a recording).

But apparently this bullshit statement he issued where he apologized for these "unsubstantiated quotes" isn't enough.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/Movies/08/01/gibson.statement/index.html

In a word, no two, Fuck Off.

I said I had just quickly scanned the article, I asked if there were any actual evidence to support the original very vague sourceless language "Source closely connected to the case" garbage.

Someone posted a link to the officer's report. That sounds pretty good to me. It's not like I'm claiming the media is trying to Dan Rather the guy or anything.

[Glengoyne]

I would think him apologizing for something would convince anybody that he had, in fact, been guilty what he was apologizing for.

I have two words for you too. "Quickly" "Scanned"

[st.cronin]

I have two words for you too. "Quickly" "Scanned"

Ok

[Logan]

In a word, no two, Fuck Off.

I said I had just quickly scanned the article, I asked if there were any actual evidence to support the original very vague sourceless language "Source closely connected to the case" garbage.

Someone posted a link to the officer's report. That sounds pretty good to me. It's not like I'm claiming the media is trying to Dan Rather the guy or anything.

Go back and read what you posted. The unsubstantiated quotes you were referring to were direct quotes from the police officers on the scene. Not to mention that the way you expressed your disbelief that it could possibly be true makes you sound like all the morons who were claiming that they need definitive proof that Barry Bonds knowingly took steroids.

[Glengoyne]

Go back and read what you posted. The unsubstantiated quotes you were referring to were direct quotes from the police officers on the scene. Not to mention that the way you expressed your disbelief that it could possibly be true makes you sound like all the morons who were claiming that they need definitive proof that Barry Bonds knowingly took steroids.

Once inside the car, a source directly connected with the case says Gibson began banging himself against the seat. The report says Gibson told the deputy, "You mother f****r. I'm going to f*** you." The report also says "Gibson almost continually [sic] threatened me saying he 'owns Malibu' and will spend all of his money to 'get even' with me."

I read it again. It still looks to me like a "source directly connected to the case" is providing information about "the report". That looks like wholly unsubstantiated information to me.

Maybe I need to change your two words to "Quickly" and "Scanned" as well.

Edit: Oh and on the Bonds bit. At one time I did require definitive proof, but I think that burden has been met.

[Kodos]

I wish these asshats would stop ruining some of my favorite movies. First, OJ Simpson ruined the Naked Gun series for me. Then Tom Cruise ruined quite a few of my favorite movies. Then Mel ruined Braveheart with the Terry Schiavo incident and this.

Tom Hanks, keep flying right. Please!

[cartman]

Tom Hanks, keep flying right. Please!

You mean, you haven't heard???

[st.cronin]

You mean, you haven't heard???

lol

you are evil

[Logan]

I read it again. It still looks to me like a "source directly connected to the case" is providing information about "the report". That looks like wholly unsubstantiated information to me.

Maybe I need to change your two words to "Quickly" and "Scanned" as well.

Edit: Oh and on the Bonds bit. At one time I did require definitive proof, but I think that burden has been met.

Here...

I would think him apologizing for something would convince anybody that he had, in fact, been guilty what he was apologizing for.

[Glengoyne]

Here...

You miss something?

I'm going to go back to my first two words at this rate.

[Logan]

You miss something?

I'm going to go back to my first two words at this rate.

You claim to quickly scan the thread, which is your excuse for why you made the initial stupid post. Multiple people post articles/links/actual police reports with direct quotes of Mel Gibson. More people post in response to Gibson's apology for the statements HE ADMITS HE MADE. And yet you still write...

I read it again. It still looks to me like a "source directly connected to the case" is providing information about "the report". That looks like wholly unsubstantiated information to me.

That makes you a moron.

[kcchief19]

Has anyone else continued to have George Constanza's line from the episode when he was mistaken for white supremacist going through their head during this entire ordearl? "You know who's to blame for astroturf don't you? The Jews."

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Goodbye, Mel Gibson. We unfortunately knew ye too well.

WORLD EXCLUSIVE: Mel Gibson's Racist Rant Caught On Tape - Tells Oksana She Would Get 'Raped By N***ers' | RadarOnline.com (http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2010/07/world-exclusive-mel-gibsons-racist-rant-caught-tape-tells-oksana-she-would-get)

In one of the most explosive, racist and vile outbursts by a celebrity ever caught on tape, Mel Gibson told the mother of his love child that the way she was dressed would get her "raped by a pack of n***ers," RadarOnline.com (http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2010/07/world-exclusive-mel-gibsons-racist-rant-caught-tape-tells-oksana-she-would-get) has learned exclusively.

[Sun Tzu]

Sounds like they had major marital problems to me. Anything else you want to take from this is bullcrap. It's drama...

[Ksyrup]

At least the guy's still got his priorities straight:

He warns, "I am going to come and burn the f**king house down... but you will blow me first."

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Sounds like they had major marital problems to me. Anything else you want to take from this is bullcrap. It's drama...

It was caught on tape, not sure how that's drama/bullcrap.

[Kodos]

He's gonna have some 'splainin' to do to Danny Glover.

[JPhillips]

At least he isn't blaming everything on the Jews.

[Sun Tzu]

It was caught on tape, not sure how that's drama/bullcrap.

Oh ok...so if someone catches you on tape in an argument with someone, the entire world then has a license to judge you?

nutty logic

This is typical media crap. A rich guy with issues is in the middle of a divorce, so the ex-wife is going to find a way to get as much $$$ out of it as possible. The sad part of this isn't the fact that in the court of public opinion that Mel is being judged...the sad part is that there is a court of public opinion on which to judge.

People have issues.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Oh, I thought you were insinuating that it was blown out of proportion.

Personally? I don't think he's a very likable guy, so I'm not too torn up about the world seeing who is really is.

[Kodos]

Thanks for ruining one of my favorite movies (Braveheart), Mel. Please go away now.

[Sun Tzu]

Oh, I thought you were insinuating that it was blown out of proportion.

Personally? I don't think he's a very likable guy, so I'm not too torn up about the world seeing who is really is.

My argument is that regardless of how much of a douchebag someone is on a personal level, if that person hasn't actually done anything bad to anyone, then there's no reason for all of this crap. I've known plenty of assholes in my life, and I wouldn't wish the american media on any of them.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Meh, on the other side is that Mel Gibson made a lot of money off that same machine by hiding what kind of a person he actually was. So, my pity well is dry.

[Marmel]

Mel is all to happy to be in the public eye when he is promoting something that will make him $$, so what's the problem now?

[spleen1015]

Just because he uses that word doesn't make him racist to me. It just makes him stupid.

[Karlifornia]

Yeah, kinda tough to feel sorry for Mel. It sucks for him that it got caught on tape, but he seems like he's going down the same route as his batshit daddy.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Just because he uses that word doesn't make him racist to me. It just makes him stupid.

I think between this rant and the whole anti-Jewish rant from a few years ago, I am getting more and more comfortable in the assessment that Mel Gibson could very well be a racist.

[Kodos]

Just because he uses that word doesn't make him racist to me. It just makes him stupid.

It sure is a strong indicator that he might be a racist.

[Kodos]

At least he isn't anti-dentite.

[spleen1015]

Have you guys ever been in an argument and got extremely pissed off and said some shit just to piss the other person off more than you?

I'm not saying he gets a pass here. I'm just saying he's a dumbass.

[Sun Tzu]

Have you guys ever been in an argument and got extremely pissed off and said some shit just to piss the other person off more than you?

I'm not saying he gets a pass here. I'm just saying he's a dumbass.

Spleen wins.

[Kodos]

Sure, when I'm mad, I say things that I don't really mean in the heat of the moment. But I don't spew a bunch of racial crap because, well, I'm not a racist, even when I'm mad. The things he said strongly suggest that he has prejudices against other races. When you say things like Gibson said, the burden is on you to prove that you are NOT a racist.

[JediKooter]

At least he didn't bring a gun to the birthday party.

[Kodos]

He probably doesn't invite the Vick brothers over very often.

[molson]

Have you guys ever been in an argument and got extremely pissed off and said some shit just to piss the other person off more than you?



Sure, we've all told people they're going to be "raped by a pack of n***ers" on occasion.

...

What are you people talking about? Who says shit like this, EVER?

I can see it maybe in a joking manner. But if you're saying it with anger, and that's where you're going when you're angry, talking about jews and blacks - you're a pretty severe racist, IMO.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Just because he uses that word doesn't make him racist to me. It just makes him stupid.

How many borderline, "doesn't necessarily have to make him a racist" things does someone get to say before they start to sound too much like a duck?

[I. J. Reilly]

This is why I hate Australians.

[Sun Tzu]

Sure, we've all told people they're going to be "raped by a pack of n***ers" on occasion.

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What are you people talking about? Who says shit like this, EVER?

I can see it maybe in a joking manner. But if you're saying it with anger, and that's where you're going when you're angry, talking about jews and blacks - you're a pretty severe racist, IMO.

I'm Jewish, and I'm not offended by his comments. Apparently day of his drunken tirade a few years back he was at a Jewish friends house. I don't see him as being racist, just an asshole.

Like I said before, unless you've actually done something bad, this kind of public treatment is unnecessary. If you're so quick to judge him, then you better think back to everything you've ever said that could offend someone. If you find one thing...even one...one thing that can be taken as offensive, then you have no right to judge.

k thx

[molson]

How many borderline, "doesn't necessarily have to make him a racist" things does someone get to say before they start to sound too much like a duck?

5

[Kodos]

This is why I hate Australians.

He was actually born in America. I was going to make a send him back to Australia joke earlier, but my quick wiki-research showed he was born in the U.S.

[molson]

I'm Jewish, and I'm not offended by his comments. Apparently day of his drunken tirade a few years back he was at a Jewish friends house. I don't see him as being racist, just an asshole.

Like I said before, unless you've actually done something bad, this kind of public treatment is unnecessary. If you're so quick to judge him, then you better think back to everything you've ever said that could offend someone. If you find one thing...even one...one thing that can be taken as offensive, then you have no right to judge.

k thx

Oh, I have every right to judge. It's not like that carries any weight with anything, but I have every right to think he's a racist douche.

Highlighting an example of a black or gay "friend" as proof that someone doesn't have some bigotry issues is a little outdated, I think. That's like my racist grandfather saying his black neighbor is "one of the good ones."

[JediKooter]

Wait...Mel Gibson hates Sun Tzu because he's is jewish?

[molson]

Does anyone here yell racial slurs at the wife/girlfriend when they're mad? Maybe I'm just a prude.

[Sun Tzu]

The entire point is, based on your logic, everybody who has gone on a verbal tirade should be put up on a pedestal for the world to see. If a guy is an asshole, or hell even if he's racist, who the fuck cares? Let him be a dick and go on doing his own dick things.

[MrBug708]

Does anyone here yell racial slurs at the wife/girlfriend when they're mad? Maybe I'm just a prude.

I think you missed the point of Sun's comment

[molson]

The entire point is, based on your logic, everybody who has gone on a verbal tirade should be put up on a pedestal for the world to see. If a guy is an asshole, or hell even if he's racist, who the fuck cares? Let him be a dick and go on doing his own dick things.

I don't think anybody "should" be put up on a pedestal, but he and our overactive media puts him there, I might notice.

And I don't care that much. But this is a message board, not a congressional subcommittee meeting. We talk about colossal squids and make-believe sports leagues here. It's not a huge bar to reach to be relevant.

[Chubby]

I'm Jewish, and I'm not offended by his comments. Apparently day of his drunken tirade a few years back he was at a Jewish friends house. I don't see him as being racist, just an asshole.

Like I said before, unless you've actually done something bad, this kind of public treatment is unnecessary. If you're so quick to judge him, then you better think back to everything you've ever said that could offend someone. If you find one thing...even one...one thing that can be taken as offensive, then you have no right to judge.

k thx
If he can use the public to make millions off his image thn we certainly have the right to judge. Can't whore yourself out to the public only when it's convienent.

[JPhillips]

I'm Jewish, and I'm not offended by his comments. Apparently day of his drunken tirade a few years back he was at a Jewish friends house. I don't see him as being racist, just an asshole.

Like I said before, unless you've actually done something bad, this kind of public treatment is unnecessary. If you're so quick to judge him, then you better think back to everything you've ever said that could offend someone. If you find one thing...even one...one thing that can be taken as offensive, then you have no right to judge.

k thx

No, it's not about one thing that someone could be offended by. It's about casually using racial slurs. I'll give you that people who casually throw around racial slurs shouldn't judge other people that do.

And as for the idea that he has to do something, most racists don't do anything. Does he need to burn a cross or start an Auschwitz theme park before he can be considered a racist? My great uncle never did anything, but his statemtns about Mexicans sure as hell made him a racist.

[Sun Tzu]

gotcha

[DanGarion]

Maybe he was acting...

[Schmidty]

Holy shit. That's really disappointing. I don't think there's any doubt that he's a racist anymore, and I can't imagine him ever getting a studio to back him again. He's like poison now.

Why are people so mean-spirited? I just don't get it.

[I. J. Reilly]

He was actually born in America. I was going to make a send him back to Australia joke earlier, but my quick wiki-research showed he was born in the U.S.

Huh, I didn’t know that.

Okay, I’m going to stick with the original post but would like everyone to now read it as a commentary on the role that ignorance plays in a prejudiced world view; it should certainly not be read as some dumb throwaway post on a message board made by a guy who’s too lazy to look up the facts:)

[miami_fan]

So it is okay to judge him to be an asshole or a dumb ass based on his comments, but not okay to judge him to be a racist based on the same comments?

[duckman]

How many borderline, "doesn't necessarily have to make him a racist" things does someone get to say before they start to sound too much like a duck?
Hey, keep me out of this!

[Groundhog]

He was actually born in America. I was going to make a send him back to Australia joke earlier, but my quick wiki-research showed he was born in the U.S.

Yeah, sheesh. And even if he was, it's like me posting a pic of a KKK meeting in the US and saying "this is why I hate all Americans".

[DaddyTorgo]

Sure, we've all told people they're going to be "raped by a pack of n***ers" on occasion.

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What are you people talking about? Who says shit like this, EVER?

I can see it maybe in a joking manner. But if you're saying it with anger, and that's where you're going when you're angry, talking about jews and blacks - you're a pretty severe racist, IMO.

seriously

[DaddyTorgo]

I'm Jewish, and I'm not offended by his comments. Apparently day of his drunken tirade a few years back he was at a Jewish friends house. I don't see him as being racist, just an asshole.

Like I said before, unless you've actually done something bad, this kind of public treatment is unnecessary. If you're so quick to judge him, then you better think back to everything you've ever said that could offend someone. If you find one thing...even one...one thing that can be taken as offensive, then you have no right to judge.

k thx

i disagree fundamentally. you still have a right to judge. you just have to recognize that someone else might be judging you.

[Radii]

Sure, we've all told people they're going to be "raped by a pack of n***ers" on occasion.

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What are you people talking about? Who says shit like this, EVER?


+500 or whatever we're up to now.

Of course I've said things I didn't mean in an argument, but that's a little much. Hell, I've never even said I would burn someone's house down out of anger. I guess my angry tirades are pretty tame :P

[Grammaticus]

Sure, we've all told people they're going to be "raped by a pack of n***ers" on occasion.

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What are you people talking about? Who says shit like this, EVER?

I can see it maybe in a joking manner. But if you're saying it with anger, and that's where you're going when you're angry, talking about jews and blacks - you're a pretty severe racist, IMO.

What is a pack of nasterikers anyway?

[Karlifornia]

Just got home from a night out with the pack. We raped like at least 2 women. We always call Mel to ask what those white bitches are wearing. He's a smart man...I'd even say he's a good man.

[Passacaglia]

It's hell being Mel.

[Passacaglia]

If you don't understand Christianity (as clearly you don't) perhaps you should refrain from commenting on it.

Definitely. That's why I'm not saying anything on the subject until I've finished my Netflix of the Da Vinci Code.

[Passacaglia]

Have you guys ever been in an argument and got extremely pissed off and said some shit just to piss the other person off more than you?

I'm not saying he gets a pass here. I'm just saying he's a dumbass.

This is exactly why it's so bad. The comment had nothing to do with who he was arguing against at all. He wanted to piss her off, so he thought about what would be a really horrible thing to say. "Hoping she gets raped? Pretty good. Oh, but what's worse? Getting raped by a nigger! Oh yeah, that'll show her!"

[Schmidty]

Definitely. That's why I'm not saying anything on the subject until I've finished my Netflix of the Da Vinci Code.

You got me all excited thinking that Cronin was back. :(

[sterlingice]

How many borderline, "doesn't necessarily have to make him a racist" things does someone get to say before they start to sound too much like a duck?

Hey, keep me out of this!

:D

SI

[sterlingice]

Have you guys ever been in an argument and got extremely pissed off and said some shit just to piss the other person off more than you?

I'm not saying he gets a pass here. I'm just saying he's a dumbass.

Sure, we've all told people they're going to be "raped by a pack of n***ers" on occasion.

...

What are you people talking about? Who says shit like this, EVER?

I can see it maybe in a joking manner. But if you're saying it with anger, and that's where you're going when you're angry, talking about jews and blacks - you're a pretty severe racist, IMO.

Racial/gender epithets have interesting language usage in my mind. For some people, they stay away from them at all costs. Some people, use them for everything.

I think there is one really important distinction, tho. Are you using it to be descriptive or using it to stereotype a group?

Let me put this example out there to clarify:
-Someone cuts me off on the road and I want to say something at them under my breath, let's say. I could say "that asshole!" but it's non-specific. "Asshole" could be anyone and you'd wear that down in your vocabulary quickly, considering how many assholes are walking around in the world ;)
-So, maybe I wait to see whether it's a guy or girl who drives by and then under my breath say "you bitch!" or "you bastard!" being gender specific. Is that being sexist? I would contend that it's not as you're just trying to make your insult more descriptive, more specific.
-But there's a very fine line. It becomes racist/sexist if you had said "You're just like every other bitch driver" because then you are ascribing a prejudice to an entire group rather than making a statement about one particular person.

Then there's also context and history to keep in mind with regards to how offensive terms are. Most racial epithets are pretty charged words and, frankly, I, personally, just can't say n*- honestly- I just can't do it or even type it. Same with c* for describing females. So that makes things even stickier as you have to add a dimension of potency to a slur.

That said, when you say "get raped by a pack of.." well, unless she was talking about going out with a group of black guys then it seems like "unprovoked" racism and then, well, that sounds like making a generalization and, yeah, racist. So, odds are pretty good that Mel's a racist.

SI

[Buccaneer]

If he can use the public to make millions off his image thn we certainly have the right to judge. Can't whore yourself out to the public only when it's convienent.

That applies to athletes too, or perhaps they're excluded?

[molson]

Here's the audio!

http://perezhilton.com/2010-07-09-explosive-the-first-tape-of-meltdowns-racist-rants-released

[Noop]

Mel sure makes it hard to like him. Braveheart was awesome and so was the Patriot.

[Groundhog]

Seriously, you guys can take him back. We don't want to claim him as ours anymore.

[Chubby]

That applies to athletes too, or perhaps they're excluded?

umm athletes are certainly included, i don't think i've ever posted anything to the contrary

[kcchief19]

And now he's dumped by Williams Morris. Not a huge surprise because his agent died last week but they went out of their way to cut ties and kick him to the curb. The head of William Morris was already pissed after the incident a few years ago but is now washing his hands of Mel.

I had no idea he hadn't made a movie in 7 years until this year. I know he has some projects under way but I think he's just about done.

[stevew]

WHO WANTS TO EAT. WHO THE FUCK WANTS TO EAT?

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It's gotta be hard to out douche Joe Esterhaus, but I think Gibson won this round.

[EagleFan]

Maybe we need a douchebag march madness tournament. I nominate Yngwie Malmsteen,